Oculus Rift S VR Headset Review!
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- Опубліковано 7 тра 2019
- We test and review the new Oculus Rift S virtual reality headset, which replaces the original Oculus Rift and Touch controllers. Here's how the new display looks, how well the inside-out tracking system works, and the range of motion for the new controllers. Plus, Jeremy makes a D-I-Y solution to adding quality headphones to the Rift S with a 3D printed mount.
Find Jeremy's Rift S headphone mount 3D print file here: www.thingiverse.com/thing:361...
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Jeremy comes to the rescue with 3D printed mounts for the original Rift headphones! What a legend! Printing now []-)
Now I have to buy a 3d printer just to get quality sound on my Rift S! I think I will just plug my desktop speakers into the Rift S audio jack.
@@briank3754 Actually that might be a good idea. I got 5.2.2 Dolby Atmos Surround. Maybe it makes more sense to use that then the rift s onboard sound.
@@briank3754 You don't have to, you can buy the ones made for the PSVR by Bionik.
@Zatoichi Bionik BNK-9007 Mantis Headphone for Playstation VR www.amazon.com/dp/B0735X5M4X/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_FdX0CbYNQ4ASX
Leweise these are confirmed to also work on the rift s? I could just buy these and mount them on rift s as is and they work?
I saw like 10-20 different reviews of the Oculus Rift S and this one was the best by far, keep up the good work!
Watch the Oculus Go remote that’s sitting on the table.
Tested is Haunted. Confirmed.
whoa.... that's freaky. Good catch.
Reminds me of Ghostbusters II with the slime.
The back of it is curved and when they rest their hands on the table it shakes the table slightly making the controller wobble. MythBusted
@@Blaze2k we aint buying it, agent smith.
It's the Oculus Gost!
Its easy to test how good is controller tracking around yourself. Open Tilt-brush and start drawing around you with your brush and then look what you have painted.
The best, most comprehensive review of the Rift S. Well done, lads.
Legend has it that Oculas go controller is still rocking to this day.
I just noticed it lol WTF!
Cool! I've been looking forward to this review
The coolest thing for me is they spent practically no time discussing any issues with the inside-out tracking. The fact that we've gotten that stuff feeling so good without concrete permanent external sensors is so damn awesome.
Well if you want to play FPS games the tracking will leave you disappointed since aiming the guns requires occluding the far hand from the cameras.
@@TheFlamingChalupa I was worried about that but then I saw where the sensors are located. I dont think it should be a problem.
@@TheFlamingChalupa yeah, and playing things like archery games where you put your hand behind your head to pick up arrows or maybe even picking a sword from your back won't work either. :(
I always expected that if you rotated too fast it would simply lose track of you, but then I learnt that constellation actually just tracked changes in movement and didn't have any means of giving you an absolute location either, so it really is just as good as long as your room is consistent
@@TUTAMKHAMON judge when it comes out. speculation does not contain merit.
The Go’s Controller rocking back and forth is driving me nuts
Now I can't unsee it, thanks...
It's jealous of the Oculus Quest.
It's a feature.
wow I cant unsee it
lmao I hadn't noticed it
I always watch your vids because of your honesty....never change.....oh and your super smart and thorough too, bonus points
Thanks for talking specifically about echo 😊 This was my main question 😊
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Out of all the people who do electronics reviews, I have to say you guys are my favorite!!
Absolutely excellent review! Came for the details I wanted to know, and you guys hit it on the head!!
Pre-ordered as soon as it became available! Built myself a capable gaming PC over Christmas.
Will be my first VR headset!
LIshoot just upgrades a bit as well, I'm in the same boat as u regarding first headset, I'm interested in this, my friend works for oculus and said he finally just tried it and compared to his older rift he's blown away with how much sharper it is...I'll be testing it soon enough lol
Share the specs from your pc!
I bought a 2k$ pc 2 years ago for vr gaming but only now get a vr headset lol
This was a very well made review. It tackled everything a consumer should know before they make a purchase. Great job Tested.
I've searched around the internet a lot, but finally this was the kind of review I was looking for.
Ordered mines yesterday! Just gotta wait for the 6th to pick it up I'm excited to try out my first VR.
D Man I’m gonna get one for my birthday hyped to play vader immortal
can't wait to get mine so glad to get rid of all the sensors now I can actually play elite dangerous without feeling sick and other games while sitting in my chair which was a pain on the old one just trying to tweak it fir one sensor for head track movement
15:00 to test this more accurately you could get into a game and grab some long object (like a sword) and then hold the controller behind you pointing the object in your fov to see where it stops positional tracking
Moving from original RIft to S, thank you, this video helped a lot!
I just bought my first VR set and I chose the Oculus Rift S, yep I'm all new to this😑 thanks for posting I'm all ears.👀
Thanks for the trusted tested videos and reviews, loved the Index review, as well as this one. We are finally getting a lot of great headset options at a variety of budget levels, which is great. Rift S is going to be a great headset with its simplified setup for new users. We cant wait to get to go hands on with all of these new headsets!!!
Mainstream VR adoption here we come!!!
The read more button lied to me
Always great reviews from Jer and Norm.
Ill be keeping my current rift and waiting to see what happens in another year or 2. Excited to hear the Index review in the mean time.
Love the Pinball shirt!! I play regularly in a bunch of leagues and tournaments! Great content as I'm trying to decide if it's worth upgrading my original Rift!
I am also seeing if I should get this or Index.
My favourite vr games are Rythm action like beat sabre and Rez infinite etc.... so I’m keeping my Rift as the headphones are brilliant and 3d audio.
Yeah, I agree. The lower quality audio is one of the big reasons that I'm in no rush to pickup the Rift S and sticking with my original Rift.
Using a separate set if headphones or in ear headphones is just inconvenient due to an extra step and most normal headphones don't work with the halo style headband design...
So thankful that this channel exists. I'll be keeping my rift and upgrade with the 2.0 eventually comes out. Thanks guys!
I was so curious and was expecting a 2.0 but looks like the Half Dome Prototype is still in development. But nevertheless, Rift S has fixed most of my problems in the Rift CV1. Gonna get all of em
@@darkshadow7709 I feel like half dome is 2022 product and they are on 3 year refresh cycles. (2016/2019/2022) also it sounds like all the necessary components to get half dome at a reasonable price means we might get it at 2022, but it will not have some of the touted features like the variable focus, otherwise it might cost a grand given how all these non mechanical headsets are creeping over a thousand bucks for just better screens and lenses.
@@elev8dity I agree 100%
Thanks for the great comparison shots. I think the resolution bump is worth it for me. Since the Rift is still desirable for some, I'm going to wait for the Rift to become more rare and sell mine, and hopefully come close to breaking even.
These guys always do great reviews. True geeks doing the work for us and saving us time.
Always like how Jeremy says, "and I'm Jeremy from TESted" as if Norm said it wrong or he's from somewhere else haha
haha you're right
There's the little head tilt too to emphasize it.
Haha, yeees! :)
I've noticed this as well. Personally I think it makes way more sense than when Norm co-hosts with others who don't do this. Jeremy gives the intro a conclusion. Others sometimes make it sound like it's awkwardly trailing off...
lmao
They are only talking about the Oculus Rift S and the quest, so the oculus go controller is constantly moving back and forth to remind them that it still exists
Great review... and so impressed that you guys not only identified and explained the audio issue but created a solution for it! Now why the hell did oculus remove what are really decent and affordable headphones is a real mystery.
So they can sell a solution after launch, of course!
ive already started my plan to upgrade my PC to be VR ready, all i need is a graphics card and OS, then i will be set to get the rift S, i cant wait!
Can’t wait till the 21st!!!
I have tried just about every headset out there currently from the pimax 4k, 5k series to the HP Reverb and the rift s is the bang for the buck winner easily at the moment, all other solutions are either missing stuff (pimax, no controllers, no headphones) or are at least 2x the price making the S at it's price point IMHO the best value in VR right now. There a a couple WMR headsets that are decent for less but overall package, price, ease of use, controllers - everything considered - it's not even really close. I am looking forward to seeing what the cosmos brings.
Thanks for the reviews guys - as a owner and fan of the Rift/CV1, I have to agree with you - Rift S doesn't feel like an upgrade to me so instead I pre-ordered a Quest to try something new and give me time to decide what non-Oculus PC HMD I'm going to upgrade to. Please keep the reviews coming! - Grey The Gamer
I'm encouraged by this. As a long haul truck driver VR is tough for me to get into. I got the psvr (my only vr experience at this point not counting the virtual boy many, many years ago) but using it on the truck is difficult due to the limited space and standing 8' from the camera being impossible. Original rift and vive were out of the question with their need for multiple cameras or sensors. I'm going to see how small a space this will work in. Also concerned with marking the boundaries. While I have lots of head room and arm room, my floor space is limited due to the seats, cabinets, and bunk behind me. I'm hoping this can be overcome for controller tracking. Cables won't be an issue as I can have my laptop on the top bunk behind me so the wire will hang down from above and never really touch the floor. Here's hoping for a good experience.
For those that don't have a 3D printer, or don't want to go through the hassle, you should pick up a pair of Koss KSC75s. Cheap, amazing sound, and just slip over your ears. They are super comfortable and don't have a headband so you could use them with the Rift S.
Thank you kind stranger! :D
U still have to put it on seperately right, its not mounted to the rift s
@@jessett7827 Correct. Unfortunately. But definitely a better experience than dealing with the crappy stock audio solution.
Would you happen to know how bad the sound is compared to the CV1? I just bought the S today and am very curious
@@E55666 after trying the S I would say it's not even close. The CV1 actually had surprisingly competent audio. I guess I'd take the S audio over nothing, but it's basically unusable Imo. Headphones or an audio solution is a necessity.
Well, plugging in sensors and placing them around your room helps your consideration of your present play space. So I see the comfort, weight, and playspace consideration to hold onto my wired Oculus.
Being a rift owner, I appreciate the fact that oculus is working to make good affordable headsets, it's a great way to get more people into vr. This being said I think my next headset will be an index, it just feels like the next generation as it is better in every way. I'm one of those crazy people who are willing to spent a lot of money on a fun hobby (I preordered the original rift). Also I am definitely going to keep my rift because in the future I will be able to show my kids a piece of history, much like how my parents showed me old Nintendo games and what not.
Stoked about the new Oculus. Great review!
As a current rift owner I'm going with the Quest, so I can bring 6dof VR anywhere with me. That to me is far more valuable than whatever upgrades the rift s offers. I'll keep the original rift for PC only VR
nothing to see here if you're already on OG Vive or Rift. Still interesting tho. Can't wait to get my hands on Index.
@Lightbringer lol, yeah i know its not ideal, but honestly once im in most games immersed it doesnt bother me so much. It does suck for things in the distance. Will give ya that. I feel like you might be being sarcastic tho
@Lightbringer you should get an index then
It depends on your situation. If you have multiple users (kids) and dont have room to play roomscale type games then the RIft S is a massive upgrade even without considering improved resolution and visual clairity. Good bye sensors! The ability to keep my Rift S hooked up to my laptop in my living room makes it a winner over the original. Although I will admit I ordered the Index as well. Truly I feel that will be a substantial improvement over the OG RIft without any compromises. But yes, my orginal Rift was a good piece of kit and I enjoyed a great deal for flight sim and Project Cars 2.
Pre ordered mine and I'm so hyped
I feel like they need to revisit the headset as there has been quite a few updates since its initial release.
I hated the 3 sensors set up from the original Rift so incredibly much. I always had issues with it. That was my main reason to sell my old rift and get the Rift S. Which turned out to be basically a free "upgrade".
yeah i felt like i had to constantly recalibrate sensors, i use a small space, so furniture blocks some floor space. there's kids here so passthrough is a big help. just sold my old rift gonna snag the rift s
@@king24lakerskobeI eventually just gave up on trying to always re-setup the guardian system, so I turned it off. Which was sometimes a bad idea. On top of that, having a USB cable running across my floor to the other sensor next to my TV (just waiting for it to smash into the TV by my 1 year old). It was multiple bad accidents waiting to happen. These sensors are only good for permanent setups with the room designed around them.
Did your hands do little jumps when tracking was passed from one sensor to the other? I've mentioned it in comments and most people acted like they didn't know what I was talking about.
Sold my Rift for the S. Worth it to me since the SDE just kept bothering me more and more I quit using my Rift. I am dissapointed with their audio solution though. With all things considered the S is the winner overall with the latest crop of new headsets. No HMD out there gets everything right, or even most it seems right now. I don't want WMR tracking/controls. I don't want to deal with external devices anymore. I don't want a high price tag. I don't want specs that require the highest tier PC hardware.
That was probably a bad idea. I would have kept both and compared first. You will most likely end up regretting it.
The only headset on the market tracked externally is the original Rift.
They’re for different use cases. A computer with beefy hardware will always be able to out perform an all in one headset with limited specs and battery life.
I'm going to as well. Worth it to lose the wires, God rays and screen door effect.
@@FarrelClement ...and the Pimax, Vive Pro, original Vive, and Valve Index.
I've owned all Oculus devices and have the S on order. I'll be buying again in 3 years. I considered other companies, but at $400, this is much better deal than $1k for the other systems. I can live with this for a few years. Next gen should be amazing, if they go by the cell phone evolution rate. Elite Dangerous was too difficult with the earlier models. I constantly needed to see my keyboard. Hope this solves that problem.
ive had my rift s for a year. i now know you can adjust the front part, thank you
LOL at the 3d Printed headphone adapters. On one hand I love it, and on the other hand you REALLY shouldn't have to be doing that.
I'd love to see a roundup video of all these headsets and the pros and cons of each. I got a taste of VR with my DK2 and it was awesome, but since the consumer Rift came out it hasn't been usable and I haven't had the extra money to blow on a new headset. I'm in a slightly better position now and want to get back into it, and having all these options is great. I'd just like to have an easy way of being able to compare and see what I should save up for.
I'm thinking of getting this when the price drops to 300-350$ as I have never had a headset at home and I really want to not be bothered by graphics. The LCD and 80HZ I can live with. The tracking you said are still great so that's good. But the sound is feeling to me like a game breaker. Only problem is that I cannot afford the 1000$ index which is insane.
I agree, the Rift S is worth $300, not $400.
Index will come down in price in 6-12 months, better to grab a WMR kit in the meantime. O+ keeps getting that $350 sale price, keep an eye out.
@Cole Park That is a great idea, But the bummer that takes the price to at least 450$
Really fair/balanced review! Those through the lens pictures though looked really similar between both headsets, only the Rift Picks picture looked significantly different and I couldn't tell if it was just because the way it was shot since all the other pictures looked almost identical across both headsets
They are too similar to tell the difference on camera,I’ve tried an htc pro and that is better than the s but not enough better than my original rift to bother with.
that's badass that you were able to 3d print that... although I wasn't a fan of their speakers... I feel like for Full Immersion I need my own pair of Headphones xD
Good review. About the black levels: a lot of these pro reviewers are missing an important part of most dark and space games (like Elite Dangerous). That's that the God rays are terrible in those games. They can get so bad that it really does break the immersion. I'd rather have a grayish black sky than God rays ANY DAY. I'll definitely be upgrading to the S.
I have a Rift CV1 and was never impressed with the black levels of the OLEDs in that to begin with. I'm definitely interested in seeing what the god rays, screen door effect, and black levels look like in the Rift S.
Rift S is not an upgrade, lol.
EVOLICIOUS It is an upgrade. The Rift S is far better than the CV1. The specs are better other than the refresh rate. The tracking is better (the old tracking was absolute garbage) and you also get a pass through mode which is very useful. The headset is built a lot better with the new halo strap. Audio and the IPD are the only drawbacks but obviously only if your IPD is out of range and in my case it isn’t. Therefore the headset is an upgrade from the CV1. I mean unless you have tried the headset out for you to say such a bland and unexplained point; “rift s is not an upgrade, lol.” then I wouldn’t say anything.
The ultimate goal of virtual reality is immersion. The S does have a higher level of immersion, period. Less screen door, less God rays and more comfort means a higher level of immersion. In that way, the S is certainly and upgrade that is not offset by the loss of a bit of audio quality.
What Oculus was going for was evolution, not revolution. It is a small upgrade to immersion but a huge upgrade in usability, affordability and mass market appeal, which is what VR surely needs. Without a bigger market, there will be no advances. The Index appeals to the hardcore enthusiasts, but without a mass market to fund games and software development, that high end HMD will be nothing but a useless brick on your head.
Reace Mart Totally agree! The oculus rift S will probably be Oculus’ most succeeding product and will be the reason why the VR community grows.
I seen today on the app offer up. They were selling the same mounts you made yourself. Using the picture from this UA-cam video. It’s crazy someone would rip off ur free idea
but they put the 3d printer file in the description
Haha when i saw that build the first thing i thought was "oh look a new PSVR". It's exactly like it. Well how it's build.
Good review. Nice tempo, good information and very clear. Just really well put together.
PSVR probably has the best head mount so why reinvent the wheel! 😁
Pretty happy I didn't wait for this and bought an original Oculus with touch for only $240. If you want to get into VR you can't go wrong. Even with the lower res it's still an awesome step into VR.
I recommend it.
All of the positives of a WMR system but better in every way, I think it is what WMR should have been
I'm sure wmr 2 is gonna be better and cheaper
The Rift S is practically a gen 2 WMR kit. MS is still working on bring out gen 2 WMR soon. We'll see if it's as-good or better.
Agreed. All WMR needed was more cameras and they could've taken over VR.
Well, technically all WMR have better resolution displays and run at 90hz rather than 80. The Samsung Oddysy+ in particular has a very significantly superior display, physical IPD adjustment, better audio with quality flip back headphones, and has been on sale for $100 cheaper than the Rift-S. The one most crucial thing that distinguishes the Rift-S from the WMR headsets is simply the extra tracking coverage, making it suitable as a gaming headset. WMR was never aimed at VR gaming, and thus never much needed off screen tracking. It's always been able to play the majority of games well enough, but the narrower frontal tracking coverage was still significant enough a downside to give the gaming market over to the original Rift and Vive despite the extra expense and lower res.
Had one of the initial WMR brands included the extra cameras from the start, it would have likely made the Rift-S redundant before it was born.
Looks like a cost cutting measure to me
Great review guys. However for myself as a Rift (CV1) user I am changing to the Rift S because I have had to put up with only two sensors on my desk, as where I am setting up, more sensors is not an option. So I am looking forward to more freedom to turn around etc with the Insight tracking.
solid review, very informative
Love the detail in your videos. I do have a question though - how does the tracking cope when you have a hand close to your face, like archery in Skyrim, or using a scoped 2-handed gun, or when you ADS, basically when you need to bring your right hand right up to your nose.
From what I've heard, you don't want to do that, because it can't track that close.
It breaks if you're basically touching the Touch controller to the HMD, or within a millimeter or two. Otherwise it's fine.
It works, search for a channel named VoodooVR or something liek that. He tested the Rift S and made movements like you will do in archery in Skyrim or getting your backpack in other games or the iPad from your back in Onward. If you wont stick your hands longer than 2 seconds behind your head, everything is fine! BUt actually you just pull your hand back and throw it up front again.
Could of put another camera on the back of the head-strap ...
Games where you reach over your back for an arrow, or pull out a sword wont be good.
Inside out had been around for over 2 years now with mixed reality goggles. You 2 make it sound like it's something new.
Nice I am totally gonna order one this September hopefully amazon and others will have plenty in stock by then. :)
I wish I had enough money
And enough space in my room
And a will to live
Things get better, bro. We can only take life one step at a time.
Nah mate, end it now.
Maybe we can take the Golden Mile to make you feel better
@@lukeherbst7885 You seem like a trustworthy companion for my pub-to-pub escapades. Maybe with you at my side I shall conquer my other life issues whilst utterly pissed...
I have enough money
And enough space in my room
But still no will to live
Hp reverb next please, subscribed
Thanks for the honest assessment and reflection on Oculus' priorities. The Rift S is a gateway system into their mobile VR console. The Quest will do well enough for them to want to make a Quest 2 before they want to make a Rift 2.
I recommend the koss ksc75 as just don’t need to break them to do your setup. But still a very nice idea and thanks for sharing files
About the tracking of the controllers.... I heard other reviews say that there was issues with using a gun stock and placing the controllers one in front of the other. Also placing one controller under the headset like when you hold a rifle or pull a bow back. Can you talk about this, and maybe try it to see??
The Rift S is supposed to replace the Rift, so why does everything feel like a compromise in comparison? Compromised tracking, refresh rate, lens adjustment, audio. This isn't supposed to be the budget option, it's supposed to be their flagship headset.
Rift S is not a replacement. Oculus has stated this many times. It's a refresh, not an upgrade of any kind.
Facebook is taking on compromises to get to their goal of getting VR in a million homes.
Also, the Rift S is technically not a Oculus product, it's Lenovo's kit.
The Rift S also is NOT thier flagship product, nor is it intended to be.
They are supposedly still working on a next Rift product, but after seeing Brendan Iribe and his team leave in the middle of making that kit becasue facebook wanted to focus on mainstream VR, we don't know if a decent high-end kit will come. If it does, it won't be anytime soon. They have scrapped Bredan's project.
Yea, I'm not sure why they would release two budget builds at the same price point. I understand that inside-out tracking has huge appeal for a lot of people, I can see going that route. But why not make everything else premium? It feels like with just 2 or 3 small differences (great on-board headphones, 90hz OLED panels with IPD adjustment, Yaw adjustment) they would have had a massive winner on their hands.
By Oculus' own numbers, 80% of Rift owners only used 2 sensors. So for a vast major of existing and incoming owners, they'll have that equivalent 3 sensor setup out of the box. And because it won't have USB bandwidth issues, it'll be room-scale without needing that computer techie knowledge to fix the USB errors.
$400 is still a lot of money, and this is not a budget option. This is the middle mainstream headset backed up with the best VR content.
Increased resolution, video pass through, single USB and display port, and the halo headband do not feel like a compromise in comparison to the Rift CV1. I understand it's not everything you'd hoped, but saying that everything feels like a compromise isn't true and you know it.
How is anything compromised? If you have abnormally wide eyes I'll give you that....but everything else is a major upgrade.
This made me excited for Valve Index
I used the Sony MDR-1ADAC with the Sony PSVR 1st Gen and they fit perfectly (adjustable headband) and boy that sound immersion was awesome. Yes, I don't want to hear anything from the outside.
I wish the Quest had the same headstrap as the the Rift S (which is the same as the psvr 😂)
The audio is the reason why I wont update. I was so mad at steam because they did not include inbuilt audio when they released their first headset, but now Oculus is doing the same (kind of). Audio quality is important, why change a working concept!?
Canal Ten Thousand but am Index
@Cole Park I heard that they have terrible sound quality compared to CV1, so why even bother. Sure, you could do as Jeremy and use the headphones from the CV1 with 3D printed clips (if you are able to get your hands on some) but to take this extra step is unappealing for me and feels dumb when Oculus could have sold the Rift S with inbuilt headphones to begin with
I can see folks passing if they own CV1, but I bought CV1 in Feb, and sold for 600! Rift S wins hands down from a usability perspective. I found the Rift to be uncomfortable, lots of face pressure, and the sweet spot was always sliding around. Granted I have a very narrow IPD and my eyes are deeper set, so I'm a bit worried Rift S won't be great either. But overall, this headset tackles a lot of my desired upgrades after a month of experience with the CV1 Rift. Reduced god-rays, sharper image, wider sweet spot with better lenses, and NO PIA external sensors! Pass-through looks like a huge usability upgrade - one that this review simultaneously praises as a huge feature, but also says isn't worth upgrading over. Passthrough seems like a pretty huge upgrade to me - at least I can tell my wife she'll never know when I can actually see her trying to laugh at me in VR ;-)
Love your vids👍
I've been a hardcore Rift user for several years now, but the current path Oculus is taking has actually pushed me to go for the Valve index. I want the highest level of PC VR, and Oculus is not giving that.
Good choice
How so; the index is fundamentally still the same tech, still the same lighthouse sensors, still the same hardware with better lenses and a slightly faster refresh rate.
Just because someone put out some extra specs you consider that being the best on the market? Following that concept, Nintendo that make uber-underpowered devices for decades, should not even be in business.
The rift without any need for sensors is a win; most can't really tell the difference once you pass 80 Hz (science say so; there are a lot of study made with placebo, that did show people having less nausea when it was told them that the refresh rate was higher), and the only improvement is the display tech; which is iterative. If the Index was the same price as the S, then yes, that would be a better purchase, but if you just started with VR, can't really justify 600 dollars more for the Index, compared to the S.
@@fcf8269 The index has low persistence, significant FOV boosts, eye strain and IPD adjustments, much better inbuilt audio, higher quality planels with higher refresh rates. much better lenses, and so on, in addition to the huge potential in the knuckle controllers. You have completely missed key things about the index. Also if you want to go on price, if you already have a vive and are fine with the wands for now then the index is only costing you 499$. 100$ more for massive fov boost,s ipd and lense distance adjustments, vastle superior audio, lowest persistance scene in an HMD (HUGE DEAL), much better lenses and so on. For 100$ more that makes the S seem entirely pointless (if you are happy with a vive). Personally i'm going from a DELL WMR to an INDEX and I am extremely happy to do so.
@@fcf8269 The lighthouse tracking is _the_ primary reason that Index is the only worthwhile option to me. After having gotten used to enjoying full body tracking, going to an integrated camera based tracking system would feel like being paralysed from the waist down. Integrated tracking is convenient, but also a significant comprise in my opinion. When I see people talking about integrated vs external tracking, to me it's often like hearing someone telling an audiophile that his home's surround sound speaker setup looks intrusive and that earbuds are far more practical. If the home gets in the way of the ideal setup, then the home is the problem, not the setup.
The refresh rate tests you are talking about are also based upon watching moving images on a conventional static display. That's an entirely different scenario to VR, where your entire perspective is shifting with every head motion in real time, and with the potential for very dramatic motions. The typical tests where someone watches a bouncing ball or looping run animation, cannot remotely represent this use case scenario. The human brain is exceptionally well wired to notice the slightest inconsistency or latency in this regard. You can refer to Norm's own testimony of how startling the difference was.
Whilst the display upgrade is perfectly fair to call iterative, the field of view boost I would argue is more than that. Going from 110 to 135 is a huge leap when factoring in how it's been accomplished via the innovative dual lens design, keeping the headset compact and without having needed to resort to the "brute force" method that Paimax has had to use with the giant lenses, problematic sweet spot, and obstructively wide hammer head style design. You also can't ignore the controllers.
And ultimately price to value ratio is relative and personal. I spent a little over 2000 hours in VR over the last year, since purchasing my Vive. Based on the cost of £690 to upgrade to Index (I don't need the new lighthouses), If I get the same time value out of the Index and used it for only one year, it would cost me only £0.34 per hour. If the headsets lifespan is two years, then it costs me £0.17 per hour. There are people that spend three times as much every year on takeaway coffee, and think nothing of it.
@@rubberduck8867 If this is worth the extra money for you, go for it; I hear the same arguments from people buying the latest iPhone or iPad; thinking to get the value for their money; but instead, they are not.
As is now, if you have just a computer, you get a full VR experience without sensors with the S model, for 399; while for the Index you need more than twice that. You are stuck with sensors, you can't carry your headset where you want, and this for me is worth more of the mumbo jumbo you read on the specs.
FOV boost is relative; you notice it only until you get used to. Otherwise why people don't buy the 4K HMD at that point? You just need a 2080TI to run it at full throttle. Better FOV, better refresh rate, twice as much resolution...
It make sense if you already have a vive; for everyone else, it does not; unless they have disposable income or just care about specs.
Could you provide the 3D print instructions for the custom headphone mount? Thanks! Great review!
It’s been put as a link in the description :)
@@tom.bowen2212 Awesome!
Great Review!
One thing I do really like about the audio, is that it's good for when I have friends over and we are watching each other play beat saber or something. We can all hear it nicely. Also I found that if I put my rift on then my headset, and then I take the whole thing off, the headphones stay on the top of rift so I dont have to put them on separately next time.
Brand new to VR and this headset seems exactly what I want! I hope the price will be reduced a bit before I buy. Thanks for the great review, thanks for giving your true opinion and not just bashing it or supporting it. Another thing not mentioned is how much cheaper this is than most others! ($1000 for the index is insane compared to Rift S $400!) :)
Index is far better spe'd out. Rift S is a lower-end PCVR kit.
Index is the highest-end PCVR kit.
Literally "comparing a Ferrari to a Camry" -Norm
Also the Rift S is not priced well at all, you can get a O+ for $350 and it's a far better kit in every way.
Did you not listen to them, they even said the Rift S is not priced well, especially compared to the Quest and what that kit can do.
The price difference between a Mercedes and a Nissan Ultima is insane too.
Something that has been bothering me. How about FPS-games where you use a rifle with two hands? Does the controller tracking still work properly or does it go haywire?
There have been reports that some FPS games have issues with the Rift S inside out tracking due to controller proximity to the headset and one controller occluding the other one.
i think one of the things that's been holding me back (apart from the price tag) was those gosh darn sensors. not gonna lie, i have a messy room, so having the headset itself track is a great solution to that problem.
will definitely keep an eye out for this beaut.
Jeremy's 3D printed attachment is super sick.
I just want to to get back my only HDMI port and stop camera 3 from constantly having a bad day,
Now if there was a VR headset that would be unthetered and wirelessly conectable to the pc with inside out tracking and the specs of Valves upcoming Index that would be the one for me.
I think we will have to live with the cable to the PC for a long time to get the pictures from the actual working machine. Otherwise you need a VR headset with a GTX 1080 mounted in front of it or on top of your head :D
Um, the vive or vive pro with the wireless adapter. It's been out for like 8 months..........
I have one myself, it's pretty awesome.
The Index will either support the wigig adapter or Valve will partner with someone that works with 60ghz.
@@evolicious Yeah but you have to spend like what? 2000 with adapter and everything? And it's not one device and does need base stations.
fantastic review
I got the Rift S and threw on some clip on on ear headphones from Audio Technica for £20 and have to say I have zero complaints about the system for the price when you compare it to everything else available... Sure its not a upgrade but if you are new to VR the S with its price and convenience is just sublime.
Welp i know what my summer is gonna be
Cant wait for Index review tho!
That's what I want
Same, though it won’t be coming until August for those who didn’t preorder instantly
So good sennhiser (or other company of choice) in ear monitors (iem's) will work great for audio
I really want one of these for doing gamedev on my laptop from wherever
I disagred i played with the Rift s today and the audio is fine I didn't even see a difference from original Rift and quality is better the 80hz isnt noticed at all and tracking is great
yeah I found the audio pretty solid too, shure you wont get the biggest base, but its still solid, especially for newcomers!
Comander555666 would you recommend this to a newcomer I am thinking about buying a vr headset (pc is powerfull enough) but I don’t know which one I should buy.
personally, I found the lack of earphones more immersive than wearing headphones (and more comfy) but I can see why people would want them anyway... I do think the sound would be a little crisper and you wouldn't want that full vol if you're a late night player like me hahaha
You both lowkey look like you’re roasting the other one in your head while they’re talking
Excellent production.
I just ordered one. About 5 min ago. I sold my CV1 for 175.00 today. A major loss since I was a pre orderer .😒 looking forward to getting it this Tuesday.
No mention of the controller tracking with fps games like onward or pavlov thats my biggest concern, the deadspot in front of the hmd when aiming down sights.
ua-cam.com/video/FMbgFRCfd2w/v-deo.html. at 8:39 you can see the issues with tracking in a f.p.s.
Yup, Rift S can't do shooters.
I'm curious as to if oculus will force ESL players to use Rift S at events. If that happens, Onward ESL events are dead.
@@AnungUnRama987 He is using a stock which makes things awkward, im talking about no stock like how most people will play. I have yet to see footage of that.
@@zanewinterborn5216 a majority of people use stocks. And even watching free hand players still got a controller in front and one close. But either way they do need to make a video showing both
Welp, looks like I know what I'm spending my next £400 on.
@@mariascholte2071 But it coat €400!
Love the 3-D printed mod. I really want to upgrade my Rift, but the tracking is pushing me away, especially when thinking about 360 movements. If those 3-D printed headphone mounts go on sale as a set, I would be more inclined to upgrade.
I've just gotten my Rift s operational. First impression is AWESOME!!
Assetto Corsa looks amazing. Time to start testing Project cars 1/2,rfactor 2.
Have you tried any shooters? This occlusion issue is worrying me and the only thing standing in between me buying it.
@@EverthingWithJandA Not yet. My main interest is Sim Racing. I want a decent shooter game too.
Onward is a multiplayer shooter. Check out the Oculus store.