Flexi Trowels | The Sad Truth

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  • Опубліковано 21 січ 2023
  • Thinking of buying a flexi trowel?
    watch this video first.
    I've tried almost every flexi trowel on the market and ill give you my honest opinion on them and what you need to know.
    I'm doing my best to make content that can genuinely help you, it's taken me 20+ years to master my craft and I want to help others as much as I can.
    If you appreciate what I'm doing and you understand how much work goes into editing and creating these videos and you would like to show your appreciation then I will happily have a nice cold beer.
    you can easily send me a drink with this link...
    www.buymeacoffee.com/Onthetrowel
    *I have genuinely been overwhelmed with the support that I have received so I just wanted to let you all know, every penny will go towards buying a better camera and microphone so that I can improve the quality of these videos for you.
    thank you so so much.

КОМЕНТАРІ • 254

  • @jb1876
    @jb1876 Рік тому +29

    I am a plasterer with 25 years experience and I think a flexi trowel should only be used for the finale trowel down, never lay on skim with it, and never use on first two trowel Downs. It a very good trowel when used correctly 👍👍

    • @matthewimhardbrucelee6995
      @matthewimhardbrucelee6995 Рік тому

      💯 should only be used as a finisher. Only other time we use ours other then then is putting onto laves.

    • @kendodd8734
      @kendodd8734 Рік тому +2

      100% right there great at removing slight imperfections but only after uve flattened in that second coat and almost set that’s when I use em and they definitely make the final result better

    • @Trekz86
      @Trekz86 11 місяців тому +2

      Agreed. They are awesome for the final pass

    • @adamcunningham2511
      @adamcunningham2511 9 місяців тому +1

      Agreed after two flateners I give a sprinkle of water and flex the moisture off then leave for 10 & shine

    • @lachlanmclellan6540
      @lachlanmclellan6540 Місяць тому

      Marshaltown flexi best flex in the game

  • @paulnaylor6035
    @paulnaylor6035 Рік тому +3

    The most honest review of a tool that we all thought was a game changer that I've ever seen cheers kirk 👍

  • @petercurrie3953
    @petercurrie3953 3 місяці тому +1

    Hi Kirk
    Massive fan of your channel ,and after watching this vid feel sane again ,I’m a bricklayer but have been plastering for 20 years and started using a plastic and like ya self thought were brilliant till the sunlight hit the walls on my own self build (thought I had become rough overnight) steel all the way from now on .
    U are the guru 👍

  • @r.a.m3255
    @r.a.m3255 Рік тому +2

    Great thanks for your knowledge I already knew the flexi trowel was for polishing and speed skims for flatten in but it’s good hearing it from a veteran like you to re assure I’m on the right track. 👍👍

  • @dominicdurso3672
    @dominicdurso3672 Рік тому

    I’ve done around 10 acrylic jobs now and keep saying to my self that I should use a flex to lay on .( as I generally stear clear of them ) you after hearing you tips I’m defo gonna give it a go on the next acrylic job 👍👍👍

  • @Trekz86
    @Trekz86 11 місяців тому +2

    As Kirk mentioned they are perfect for acrylic renders. I use them here In Melbourne to apply coloured texture coats, can get the material on very thin

  • @Sandysand701
    @Sandysand701 7 місяців тому +3

    I used to work for a builder, when he came on site, he used to rub his fingers on my finished work! So I would always give the wall a polish at finger height, just for him. LOL, It's actually not good to polish a wall too smooth, because the paint doesn't stick to it so well, It's probably best to leave it just flattened in, so the paint has a nice key to stick, they usally use a long pile roller to hold more paint these days anyhow, so point-less making too smooth, but it does please the customer.

  • @seannduntdrumspace
    @seannduntdrumspace Рік тому +3

    Quality videos Kirk! I think i've watched them all

    • @Onthetrowel
      @Onthetrowel  Рік тому

      Cheers Seann, I appreciate your support.
      Sorry about the crap editing in some of the videos, I'm trying to get better all the time 😉

  • @russellholloway7465
    @russellholloway7465 Рік тому +2

    Some great advice and really well explained, keep up the good work pal

  • @benbanham6455
    @benbanham6455 Рік тому

    Lol I remember the cavity closers 20 odd years ago. Great video been full circle with flexis and came to exactly same conclusion. Really useful for curves. Same with dropping back to a smaller trowel top tips sir.

    • @Onthetrowel
      @Onthetrowel  Рік тому

      Nice one Ben, cheers for the comment mate

  • @JayG2K
    @JayG2K Рік тому +3

    ive got a 13" MT gold permashap preworne stainless steel trowl, although its hard work it gets on the plaster well and flattens. Ive bought a refina finatex trowel rose gold and found this is a lot easier on arms. there is some flex in the trowol but its semi rigid. Ive also got the superflex 2 and use this for the near last stage to fill out and finner blemishes, 2 trowels over. the plasi flex just fives it a smooth finish.

  • @jayvincent8288
    @jayvincent8288 Рік тому +2

    We used to call the blemishes "cats bums"
    Like you when the trowel first come out i was using it to flatten after 2nd coat.Big mistake!
    Now i use it for the final pass and get a quality finish..I use the nela..
    Good informative video as always buddy

  • @alan3995
    @alan3995 Рік тому +3

    I do use a 1mtr speed skim to flatten off after 1st and 2nd coat and only use the nela flex for final polish ,leaves it nice and matt.
    Be very interesting to see how much the speed skim actually flexes when the skim is soft ,

  • @paultowns9880
    @paultowns9880 Рік тому

    Another great video Kirk. Thank you.

  • @jonstafford4512
    @jonstafford4512 Рік тому +2

    I put on with a MT carbon
    Flatten quickly with a speedskim then"Lay it down" (2nd coat) with carbon.
    Flatten again with speedskim.
    1st and second trowel with carbon.
    Then and only then use a MT flexi to polish...that's all I've found the flexi good for cos I think you can polish pretty much straight away with it.... Great video fella 👍

    • @Onthetrowel
      @Onthetrowel  Рік тому

      Won't go far wrong with the way you do it Jon. Nice technique mate 🙂👍👍

  • @daronwinn4957
    @daronwinn4957 Рік тому +2

    Great vlog, you really talk sense. I have been using a flexible ox but I will start to use it for the final polish. Daron

    • @Onthetrowel
      @Onthetrowel  Рік тому

      Nice one daz, glad it made sense mate. Let me know how you get on pal 👍👍

  • @martynguthrie4474
    @martynguthrie4474 Рік тому

    Another great video very well explained 👏

  • @paulnaylor6035
    @paulnaylor6035 Рік тому

    Yep great video couldn't agree more learnt the hard way with flexis went back to Mt stainless and only use the same now to polish 👍

  • @ashb9732
    @ashb9732 Рік тому +1

    Great vid kirk! thanks for the knowledge love the poster 🤣👌

    • @Onthetrowel
      @Onthetrowel  Рік тому

      Cheers Ash, a few cracks you Don't mind looking at on the wall 🤣

  • @soapy66stewart34
    @soapy66stewart34 Рік тому

    Looking forward to this one

  • @sigi9669
    @sigi9669 28 днів тому

    I've got quite a few of these. As I used to do a lot of shiny plaster finishes like Tadelakt and its lookalikes.
    Nowadays these seem to mostly be acrylic based. But not too long ago these were either lime (traditional Tadelakt), or cement (most lookalikes).
    As these require extended polishing to compact the surface and become shiny, a flexi trowel is a must. Not to mention traditional Tadelakt, where you'll be rubbing a tiny stone over the surface for hours on end.
    Using a stainless steel trowel on lime or cement will leave black streaks, which can be a deliberate part of the final look. If these steaks are not wanted, you'd use the plastic.
    I even had a custom copper flexi trowel made to play around with green streaks.

  • @rockandmeatroll
    @rockandmeatroll Рік тому

    So much work put into your teaching:)

    • @Onthetrowel
      @Onthetrowel  Рік тому +1

      It's harder work trying to say what's in my brain mate because alot of this stuff I think about I struggle to find the words of say it 🤣🤣
      Cheers though Sean mate

  • @danielabrahams4061
    @danielabrahams4061 5 місяців тому

    I only just started plastering and am learning on lime plaster. I found the finish better with a Flexi Trowel (as you say use only at the end). Because I am a beginner and these are very old walls (definitely not straight!) during the finishing stage I find using water plus some additional plaster to fill in the low spots, flatten with a metal trowel and then use the Flexi Trowel has upped my game. The long setting time of lime is what allows this. One day I will be able to do it all in one pass (yeah right!)

  • @billyt9921
    @billyt9921 Рік тому +5

    I've gone full circle with flexi trowels. I have a nela superflex and a Refina Plaziflex. I only use them for polishing now and also if I'm plastering curves ir barrelled ceilings....... they have their place, but don't go near wet plaster with them anymore. Used to use the plaziflex to lay 2nd coat and flatten in. Looked mint and was a piece of piss..... but like u said, once the sunlight peeks in at the side of the curtains...... it looks like the Yorkshire Dales. Great vid as always. Mind you, I flatten in with a 1200 speedskim and will never go back.

  • @matthewgaler6544
    @matthewgaler6544 Рік тому +2

    Alright Kirk… interesting and informative mate. Your right yano.
    In regards to the flexi trowel … I think I got this right… super flex is 0.3 mm and the midi flex are 0.4 mm. I think the 0.4 is the Refina and also the Black edition Nela. The rest are 0.3.
    I think all these trowels dint half confuse pretty much every plasterers over the last few year. Myself included!.
    There’s one plasterer on UA-cam who’s a good spread but a few years back he helped fuck up a load of my work. Showing people laying in with plazi flex trowels… I had a go … omg i felt like a plastering God!… I’d use half as much gear as normal when laying on my second coat… easy to trowel up… easy as amazing!… until I’d gone back n seen various jobs painted up!. Well pissed off!… they’re al got a time n a place but gotta be timed bang on .
    Great videos mate💥

  • @MrPatch25
    @MrPatch25 11 місяців тому

    I used tyzak trowels in the 70s used to break them in on backing coats for 2 - 3 weeks then use as a finishing trowel but all different styles today

  • @stevengordon2145
    @stevengordon2145 Рік тому +5

    Bang on about flexible trowels 👌..Blokes now are on a near impossible climb to make a living.
    I don't fault these young guns even old hands for using them.
    outside Our profession people just don't understand the wear & tear you suffer as a spread.
    I'm one of the lucky ones I'm built for it.
    but I've seen many a quality spread finished off by joint problems and carpal tunnel..or the lower back goes.
    It's sad that we literally have to almost cripple ourselves to earn a living.
    Look after yourselfs fellas..
    Great video as always 🍻
    🥃

    • @Onthetrowel
      @Onthetrowel  Рік тому

      Spot on steve

    • @MrPistolpete1234
      @MrPistolpete1234 Рік тому +1

      This is why I use them Steve. Sometimes I’m getting sets on over 40 m square. Going over that lot with a marshalltown would nacker me in no time. I have a method where I can make it work, but I’m gonna go back to smaller sets soon, get more domestic work and focus on quality

  • @billyt9921
    @billyt9921 Рік тому +2

    Thanks

  • @easypainterslondon
    @easypainterslondon 11 місяців тому

    Cool that was all new to me nice one

  • @bee8583
    @bee8583 Рік тому +4

    Mate you explained this soo well. You’d be such a good plastering teacher. I’d love to come and learn with you.
    I’ve got a couple of flexi trowels, but as someone who’s still new into plastering, I’m gunna focus on mastering the steel trowel.

    • @Onthetrowel
      @Onthetrowel  Рік тому

      Nice one bee. You know where I am if you need any advice 👍 cheers mate

    • @bee8583
      @bee8583 Рік тому

      @@Onthetrowel cheers mate. Yes your videos are excellent, but learning from you in person would have been ideal.

    • @taureanwilliams2900
      @taureanwilliams2900 8 місяців тому +1

      I agree with Kirk. But yes master the steel trowel. It's the original and the best way.

  • @bethtp1
    @bethtp1 4 місяці тому

    that's your experience and mine i wondered why i got the waves after it looked so good. i trust experience but only listen to what people think. O yes i made my own three foot plastic leveller with wooden backing for stiffness and to hold. I thought I was the only one then speed skims came out a few years later.. thanks

  • @familyman10241
    @familyman10241 4 місяці тому

    Cheers kirk, learn something new everyday

  • @iain2979
    @iain2979 Рік тому

    Kirk in the classroom! Love it 😀

  • @stephenbees6807
    @stephenbees6807 Рік тому +6

    You are 100% correct. I got sucked in to using one too on my second pass. Left me with wavy depressions places. Went back too 100% marshall town gold mint but sore wrist. Now use marshall town all way except for last wet pass or curves.and it's a good finish. I use my plastic trowel for nothing now days other than final pass to be nice to the painter. spend more time sanding scratches out of it .

    • @Onthetrowel
      @Onthetrowel  Рік тому

      Yep ha, I'm the same as you steve 👍

  • @lolnatt4583
    @lolnatt4583 Рік тому +1

    43 years at it and still putting on with an 18 inch Mt ceilings as well 💪. It's the running up stairs with bags and buckets of water that kills me now😕

  • @jb-78
    @jb-78 7 місяців тому

    The best three plasterers i know put on, lay down and polishes with a nela flex trowel, all young lads in their 20`s, it's definitely a knack that they`ve been brought up with... i`ve been plastering 30 years and stick to a 16 inch carbon steel marshalltown but do use the refina spats, just can't get used to the flexi trowels!! can't teach an old dog new tricks i suppose lol

  • @jonnybuckle8789
    @jonnybuckle8789 5 місяців тому

    So informative kirk on every video thanks very much

  • @mutherofexiles1948
    @mutherofexiles1948 Рік тому

    Brilliant!

  • @leondmcgrath
    @leondmcgrath Рік тому

    I use a similar technique as you do on artex on all my plastering. One thing I do different occasionally. If it's on flatted and been compressed with a trowel and tidy. If you hit it with the metal Flexi speedskim the water comes out and you can get away faster. You can knock up to an hour off a gauge.

    • @Onthetrowel
      @Onthetrowel  Рік тому

      Good tip. Cheers mate

    • @ollielake7421
      @ollielake7421 Рік тому

      I was thinking this because the the plastic brings the water to surface I do use a plastic speed skim on big stuff to flatten in but find the hit drags on longer so was thinking if metal speed skim would be better. Do the plastic flatten it better as everyone I see has plastic so I just bought the same

    • @NiktheEnglishGreekCypriot
      @NiktheEnglishGreekCypriot Рік тому +1

      @@ollielake7421 other way round. Plastic doesn’t bring the water to the surface

  • @michaelmoroney4594
    @michaelmoroney4594 Рік тому

    Great video my process is 18x4 stainless for first and second coat
    I flatten first coat with 800mm nela rigid spatula which is unbelievable and trowel up with 14 inch carbon oh and first pass is with the spatula unreal bit of kit used flexi ox for a while can’t see the point in them just to make a wall like a mirror

  • @Matt-yl2ok
    @Matt-yl2ok Рік тому +1

    Flexi trowels are good we’ll the marshaltown one is .. two flattens with a stiff trowel early on tho so easier on the arm and two more with the flexi walls are perfect .. if you can lay on flat ! Like the vids

    • @Onthetrowel
      @Onthetrowel  Рік тому +1

      Yes mate it is doable if you know exactly what your doing. Alot of beginners watch my vids though so got to give the best advice that can apply to everyone mate🙂

  • @hemtet5500
    @hemtet5500 Рік тому

    Have you ever done half a ceiling if it’s a large one then plastered up to the finished plaster later on?

  • @jameselliott5436
    @jameselliott5436 10 місяців тому

    I do plastering and decorating. I have to sand every wall that has been lovely and shiny because the paint does not key to it properly. The next time its painted it blows the paint otherwise. I always miss coat. Thought i would mention that before someone suggests that. I was alway taught minimal water and matt finish

  • @DannyArbuckle
    @DannyArbuckle Рік тому +1

    My new favourite channel 💯🎯 another great video mate 👌 cant beat the marshalltown 13x5 carbon steel for me......have got one of those nela max plastic trowels and they are great for the last wipe but like you said if your chasing it, it aint gonna make you any faster using a different trowel 🤣

    • @Onthetrowel
      @Onthetrowel  Рік тому +2

      You know the score Dan 👊👍

    • @DannyArbuckle
      @DannyArbuckle Рік тому +2

      @@Onthetrowel well I've been getting away with it around 9 years or so now since I done my first bit of laying on......that would of been one for Jeremy beadle let me tell you 🤣🤣🤣 would love a video of floating hardwall and set from start to finish if you get a chance mate......can image how hard it must be to do it whilst trying to make living though and do really appreciate everything you do 💯🎯 and obviously the right job has got to come up too n all I suppose 🤣 all the best mate. Top man 👊🏻

    • @Onthetrowel
      @Onthetrowel  Рік тому +2

      @Danny Arbuckle as soon as the opertunity comes I'll be straight on it mate

    • @DannyArbuckle
      @DannyArbuckle Рік тому

      @@Onthetrowel your the man kirky lad 👊🏻

  • @shodan198
    @shodan198 Рік тому

    Top class vid mate

  • @geofflewis4935
    @geofflewis4935 Рік тому

    Refina black for the last wet trowel and final side pass. Everything prior stainless steel.

  • @skatergirl7663
    @skatergirl7663 Рік тому +2

    A full video on speed skims would be ace if your thinking of doing one!👍

    • @Onthetrowel
      @Onthetrowel  Рік тому

      Leave it with me skater girl 😉👍

  • @carld9451
    @carld9451 Рік тому

    Ok Kirk it's a bit mad I watched your video on dot and dab just got on this video on towels I was the person who invented the plastic trowel s what refiner sell the ones with the changerble blades and handles small trowel insert ye for me and meny other plasters plastic made a big difference it's sort of knowing what trowel s to bring in to play at what stages going back in time wen i got on to the plazzy the was no flexible trowel s on the market so basically now we had a choice in are kit now where spoilt for choice that meny to choose from this was a brilliant vid on trowel s your advice and ever think was spot on lad

    • @Onthetrowel
      @Onthetrowel  Рік тому

      Fair play carl, cheers for that mate.

  • @Sandysand701
    @Sandysand701 7 місяців тому +2

    I prefer a stainless steel trowel myself, I find them a bit more flexible than carbon, so slightly better for finishing off, also, because I do a bit of partitioning/dry lining work as well, they don't go rusty while I'm away. I use a 14 inch by 4 and 3/4 Marshal town for laying on, then use my 13 by 5 inch to finish off, If I'm using sand and cement, I will drop down to my 11 by 4 and 1/2 inch, because I find sand and cement heavy going and don't want to wear my elbow out before it's time. Iv'e found with very big trowels, you are not going to get anymore plaster on them than the width of your hawk, so unnecessary in my opinion.

  • @mgleeds3834
    @mgleeds3834 Рік тому

    Re the flexi trowels. You are bang on. You need to cut down the video to your explanation and post that. So many young lads need to see that.
    I re skim so much bad work because of these trowels.

  • @Clip7heApex
    @Clip7heApex 5 місяців тому

    Hold them metal flexies too lose and you get the dreaded chatter. Do that on your last pass and good luck trying to get that out. Trying to fill it with fat is a no no. They are ok for patches on walls that are already pretty wavy, tends to conform to the shape of the wall where a normal trowel would leave lines. I prefer to use a plastic flexy for final polish as it has less drag, makes it a bit easier on the shoulder but that's all i use them for.

  • @stevecalvert7979
    @stevecalvert7979 Рік тому

    Top man informative and funny vid 👍🏻

  • @Trowel1892
    @Trowel1892 Рік тому +2

    Nice one Kirk 20 odd years ago we use to rob the fire exit signs on site ! That was our go to plastic ha . Think we’re all the same keep mixing trowels drills etc .

    • @Onthetrowel
      @Onthetrowel  Рік тому +1

      Just got to find ways to keep it interesting hey 🤣

  • @denzgrief
    @denzgrief 6 місяців тому +1

    Hi fellow spread ive been plastering for 40 years yeas 40 years ive used all the trowells out there whei was young i have my favorite trowel my young gang call the shogan thats how sharp it is ive retired it now to the museum my garage 14 inch wooden handle marshalltow ive used 16 inch marshalltown all stainless steel iam a big fan of flex trowels fantastic trowels as regards to skimming nobody beats a sunstrike on wall no matter how its been ruled off i suppose it comes down everyones skill set and how to use flex trowels knowledge not from college keep the faith

    • @ChrisKavanagh-df6fh
      @ChrisKavanagh-df6fh 4 місяці тому

      I agree with 36 years at it i think bigest prob guys have is putting on to heavy a coat dkim flexy r fantastic i wish we had them years ago

  • @lewisriggs6596
    @lewisriggs6596 6 місяців тому

    I’ve just got my self a mediflex I wonder if that wil still be no use for when wet troweling

  • @yellowstar0586
    @yellowstar0586 Рік тому

    Everything u say is true I got sucked in to using flexi trowels for years for flattening until on a couple of jobs the sunlight shined down the walls and looked awful.
    My problem now is my steel Trowell not broken in great so hard to use for the last couple of trowels.

    • @Onthetrowel
      @Onthetrowel  Рік тому

      Just persevere with it mate, I know it's a pain but it will get there

    • @yellowstar0586
      @yellowstar0586 Рік тому

      @@Onthetrowel
      Yes I'm going to tbf u explained everything so well I never use to use flexi trowels until I worked with another plasterer who flatend in with them and like u said it looks lovely and seems easy but like u said hard to lose the ripples if natural light shines down it.

  • @Joe-jv5mm
    @Joe-jv5mm Рік тому +2

    Could you recommend good plastering books for lads learning the trade 👍

  • @smeghead420
    @smeghead420 Рік тому

    All the other you tube plasterers must be writing notes or giving up mate. 😂😂 Amazing content.

  • @lmilne4859
    @lmilne4859 Рік тому

    Brilliant Kirk. How getting with they K rend jobs.

  • @craigpalmer347
    @craigpalmer347 Рік тому

    tried em n use em for a polish but still use my mt 5 inch for all else 🤞👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻

  • @harrygarbett3089
    @harrygarbett3089 5 місяців тому

    Have you played with the carta101. For flattening.

  • @MrSquanchy
    @MrSquanchy Рік тому

    Hi Kirk, thanks for the video mate.
    I've skimmed my first wall ever today, it came out not too bad 6/10.
    It has some little craters though, am thinking just to skim it once more. When would be the best time to do this, (like when its fully dry?) and should I reapply PVA?
    Cheers mate.

    • @Onthetrowel
      @Onthetrowel  Рік тому +1

      Sooner the better as when it's still damp there will be less suction.
      Yes pva it again and give it another shot.
      I've got a few videos on how to plaster a wall. Take a look mate. You know where ibam if you need any advice

    • @MrSquanchy
      @MrSquanchy Рік тому

      @@Onthetrowel top man, thanks for the reply!
      I'm gonna rewatch them now and see where I went wrong.
      Thanks a lot!

  • @bernardscott1783
    @bernardscott1783 Рік тому +6

    I’ve tried all kinds mate and just go all the way through with my carbon trowels now.

    • @Onthetrowel
      @Onthetrowel  Рік тому +1

      Yep, that's pretty much all I do now

    • @murph5951
      @murph5951 Рік тому +1

      Im serious kirk

    • @Onthetrowel
      @Onthetrowel  Рік тому +1

      @murph oh OK mate. I know a few good lads that bat for the other team. I'm not homophobic at all.
      Why you telling me though pal? Have I said something in one of my videos?

    • @murph5951
      @murph5951 Рік тому

      @@Onthetrowel i i fancy you

    • @murph5951
      @murph5951 Рік тому

      @@Onthetrowel 😘😘

  • @alross2042
    @alross2042 8 місяців тому

    I have a 22" metal flexi from Germany I only use it for final trowel it is fantastic but no good for laying on need a good solid trowel for that

  • @TheWully09
    @TheWully09 Рік тому

    I agree tiger stripes we call it I used in my living room don’t like the finish and can see the stripes with lamp on

  • @chubbyBunny94
    @chubbyBunny94 Рік тому

    Artist and teacher too? Well I’ll be! Thanks

  • @bobcat2378
    @bobcat2378 Рік тому

    I had the same problem I was getting Tenosynovitis in my wrist /forearm I changed to one of those trowels you have there.but stainless steel.But I noticed a massive difference going from a wooden handle to that one.Felt uncomfortable at first and I got blisters lol.Does the change in handles shape etc and construction bother you at all?

    • @Onthetrowel
      @Onthetrowel  Рік тому +1

      You know what mate I never really noticed but I'm sure it probably does. It doesn't take me long to wear through these soft handles either, give it another 6 months and I'll be right through to the black plastic again 🤣

  • @paulcleary8638
    @paulcleary8638 Рік тому

    Great video again Kirk. Pretty much gone this way having left ripples with steel speedskim and Flexi trowels. Only use them for a polish. As a part time plasterer can you tell me if you are able to put on as much with a 14 by 4 inch trowel as with a 14 by 4 3/4 inch trowel. The surface area is obviously less but does it make any difference when putting the plaster on the wall? Cheers Paul

    • @Onthetrowel
      @Onthetrowel  Рік тому

      I Don't think it will make any noticeable difference mate. Maybe if you were doing a render you would want a wider trowel so you could get more gear on it but I wouldn't worry, I use my 14 x 4 for everything 👍

    • @paulcleary8638
      @paulcleary8638 Рік тому

      @@Onthetrowel Hi Kirk. thanks for the reply. I notice your trowel is not a marshaltown permashape(gold end) carbon steel trowel but looks well and truly broken in. Just wondering how long it took you to break it in?. I have a permashape carbon steel 14 inch by 5 inch which came semi broken in which I thought for an occasional plasterer was a better option. Really like it and get great results with it .just a shame they dont do a 14 inch by 4 inch version in a permashape . I thought the version you have would take too long to break in so I got the wider one. I have a small nela for going round the small areas. 😀

    • @Onthetrowel
      @Onthetrowel  Рік тому

      @Paul Cleary yes mate, the pre worn in ones still need wearing in unfortunately. I usually break a trowel in within about 2 months of daily use mate, although it takes about 4 months to get it razor sharp.
      If you don't use your trowel alk the time then you xan send it to ne an I'll break it in for you 👍

    • @paulcleary8638
      @paulcleary8638 Рік тому

      @@Onthetrowel Great . I might hold you to that.😀

  • @jimmysbuildingservices7288
    @jimmysbuildingservices7288 Рік тому +1

    I've got a ox Flexi trowel only use it every now and then I prefer the old fashioned way with the marshall 16inch. I'll tell you what is a life saver an extendable hop up can reach a 10 foot ceiling

    • @Onthetrowel
      @Onthetrowel  Рік тому

      Oh yes, them 10ft are a killer. Hate working on step ladders 🤢

    • @jimmysbuildingservices7288
      @jimmysbuildingservices7288 Рік тому

      £122 Toolstation one of the best tools I've bought after my DeWalt mixer

  • @Cinematlczx
    @Cinematlczx Рік тому

    Flatten in first coat with nela flex gold 2 same with second coat and use all the way through after putting on never had any problems/complaints walls never look wavy or tiger striped

  • @waynenixon729
    @waynenixon729 5 місяців тому +1

    Kirk, the college teacher! Listen, I'm being serious.. Colledges should be falling over themselves to have you teach their students. I've been watching this channel from the start.. What this man doesn't know about plastering is not worth knowing. If I won the lottery.. 🎉 I'd employ the skilled workmen from UA-cam to build me a house.. Happy New Year to you and your family ❤

  • @scottfisher661
    @scottfisher661 Рік тому

    Got to agree with what you say. Have you tried refina3 trowel it is not very flexible very much like the old disston trowels your dad may have used used with a speed skim between coats is a very nice trowel I agree not for beginners but plasterers that know the problems that flexi trowels can cause they are great

    • @Onthetrowel
      @Onthetrowel  Рік тому

      No ill have to give one a try mate

  • @christopherbailey582
    @christopherbailey582 Рік тому

    Great video Kirk! I use one of them cheap marshalltown qlt 14x4" trowels. I really like the 4" width, but would like a better trowel. Where did you get that Mt trowel from? I can't seem to find it anywhere. Cheers mate 👍

    • @Onthetrowel
      @Onthetrowel  Рік тому

      Hey Christopher. This is the exact trowel I use mate 🙂
      amzn.to/3XPONDs

    • @christopherbailey582
      @christopherbailey582 Рік тому

      @@Onthetrowel nice one, cheers mate

  • @steved6472
    @steved6472 Рік тому +1

    I’ve stopped using flexis! I done a 30 m2 ceiling and cut a long story short it looked mint till painted and brand new kitchen in with spotlight after spotlight! Looked like the fucking ocean! Couldn’t put it right as to much grief for customers! They sold the house and to my knowledge it’s still the same! Now I just use 12 inch to put on and your concrete trowel as a spatula to flatten out ! No issues!

    • @steved6472
      @steved6472 Рік тому

      Not my greatest moment 😢🙈

  • @omar-nj6wl
    @omar-nj6wl Рік тому

    Have you tried the nela black edition spatula? Used speed skims for a bit then got a 1200 black edition haven't taken the speedskim out of the van sense... It is a lot heavier but has a nicer grip and it's a bit stiffer I think nicer for flattening in with... Liking the vids 👍 ... Dots and dabs was interesting I was one of the 90% lol .. as I said interesting but don't think I'll be doing dots ...

    • @Onthetrowel
      @Onthetrowel  Рік тому

      i dont blame you mate, i wont be doing them again either. just wanted to clear up where the name came from. thanks for your comment mate

  • @darrenbeswick7486
    @darrenbeswick7486 5 місяців тому

    If you sponge it first it not a problem othere wise use steel trowel

  • @jordancorey
    @jordancorey Рік тому

    Hi kirk, your videos are brilliant, keep them coming. If I start to use sbr, how many coats do I do, as it got to be dry. Also can I put it on the day before then go back the next day and start plastering it without reapplying it. Cheers mate, your little lad will be so glad you decided to make these videos. I've just lost my mam and I wish that UA-cam was around 80 yes ago so I could have seen her way back then. All the best mate

    • @Onthetrowel
      @Onthetrowel  Рік тому +1

      Lovely comment. One good coat, let it dry and you can kim it whenever you want, you can go over it when it's tacky but you will still get suction. If its wet then it will slide

    • @jordancorey
      @jordancorey Рік тому

      @@Onthetrowel thanks so much. Also do u know if all makes of sbr are the same. There's a shop near me that sells it for £10.99 but I don't know if it is as good as the more expensive one. Cheers mate

    • @Onthetrowel
      @Onthetrowel  Рік тому +1

      @jordancorey I personally am happy to use any brand mate. I'm not 100% sure if there's better brands but at this point I've never had any issues

    • @jordancorey
      @jordancorey Рік тому

      @@Onthetrowel thanks again. Just got 2 tubs today for £20 for them both(ever build ) The DIY shop near me got it sent on a order so they kept it..that's why he sold it me for that. £34 a tub at screwfix..

  • @mjaakram
    @mjaakram Рік тому

    I got a question, what would you recommend flattening with?? Speed skim?? That does the same job as plaziflex and steel flex, I agree it's easy to give it a good finish and harder to get it flat.

    • @Onthetrowel
      @Onthetrowel  Рік тому +1

      I only ever use a speed skim on big ceilings just to give it a quick flatten between coats. I've never had any trouble just using a solid trowel for everything. Yes it harder work but it's trued an tested so I just try and stick with what causes the least problems mate

    • @mjaakram
      @mjaakram Рік тому

      Thank you, just a idea, I think the challenge comes when you have some walls that go off quik and a steel trowel can't do much when plaster has kinda set, would you be able to do a video on skimming but using the old method, which has been lost by many plasterers entering the game now. Many other aspects such as how long you get for the job, and how much customers want to pay, currently i have realised customers dictate how much should be done and how much they should pay, I personally think as plasterer we ain't appreciated, and the effort we have to go to, it's a personal opinion, but I would like to know your views, and your advice would go a long way, thank you

    • @Onthetrowel
      @Onthetrowel  Рік тому

      @@mjaakram got a few vids on skimming mate and also one on pricing jobs... have you seen them?

  • @yousafamin3187
    @yousafamin3187 Рік тому

    I saw some lads using a for sale sign way before the speed skims haha

  • @pkpropertysolutionsltd701
    @pkpropertysolutionsltd701 Рік тому

    I use a standard trowel for laying on my 1st coat, speedskim to flatten and the Refina Superflex to second coat/fill in and finish trowel.
    Using flex trowels on reveals and around beads is a recipe for disaster.

  • @ThePlasterer
    @ThePlasterer Рік тому +1

    Spot on mate 👌

    • @Onthetrowel
      @Onthetrowel  Рік тому

      Cheers mate...
      Thankyou

    • @ThePlasterer
      @ThePlasterer Рік тому

      @On the trowel I thought exactly the same as you when I was first using it

    • @blainemolyneux4067
      @blainemolyneux4067 Рік тому

      Hi Eric you keeping busy mate your not fare from me im in caterham and have noticed thinks slowing down a bit hopefully its just this time off year

    • @ThePlasterer
      @ThePlasterer Рік тому

      @Blaine Molyneux Blaine, my phone has only just started ringing again mate! It went quiet at the end of November! I was shocked, thought phone was broken😅quietest I'd been in 38 years excluding recession, hopefully will continue to pick up as spring kicks in, been doing some work in daughters place, Caterham on the hill

  • @whatsgoingon3822
    @whatsgoingon3822 Рік тому +1

    I am a DIY plaster I have just plaster my whole house using a flexi trowel to finish and I have noticed on the walls where the sun comes through the window catching the wall it looks dreadful when the sun as gone it looks fine

    • @Onthetrowel
      @Onthetrowel  Рік тому

      Yep that's the problem with them mate. You can fix it with a solid trowel and easyfill mate

    • @whatsgoingon3822
      @whatsgoingon3822 Рік тому

      @@Onthetrowel easy fill the whole wall or patch it will I have to sand it after to blend it in

    • @whatsgoingon3822
      @whatsgoingon3822 Рік тому

      @@Onthetrowel easy fill the whole wall or patch it will I have to sand it after to blend it in

  • @dorianleakey
    @dorianleakey 10 місяців тому

    In some ways it sounds like they may be better for beginners, or rather DIYers like myself who arent in a hurry as they are doing one wall at a time and dont have the skills to to get it smooth through skill and experience.

  • @bobcat2378
    @bobcat2378 Рік тому

    Never used a flexi trowel but I had a really worn thin old trowel that would leave an amazing finish but not flat! So I don't think i will be getting one🤣As you say looks like shes been sitting on bubble wrap😂😂😂

  • @aidangallacher9049
    @aidangallacher9049 Рік тому

    Brill Vid again Pal, your good to listen to always learning.
    I have done a few walls now with my marshalltown and I'm well Happy even tho I'm slow but owe Alot of the tips to yourself. I've just ordered a flexi lol but will try finishing stages and see how it pans out as I'm curious. You should do a video of coving as for some reason I had it in my head it would be simple with a 45° cut to do a box room or external 90° corner. Kind of got the hang now but thinking you guys must have a method? Every other video I see on UA-cam is so so confusing, as if they explain it Alot more Harder than it needs to eh explained lol? So I can do them but slow as a week in jail...any vids of your own or links?
    Cheers mate, Aidan

    • @Onthetrowel
      @Onthetrowel  Рік тому +1

      Spot on Aidan. As soon as I get a cove job I'll do a quick video pal. Been wanting to do one for a while

    • @aidangallacher9049
      @aidangallacher9049 Рік тому

      @@Onthetrowel you are the man!! Looking forward to it big man

  • @microcementlacalamijasspai8269
    @microcementlacalamijasspai8269 7 місяців тому

    Fire exit sign stuck on a grouting trowel many years ago

  • @kevinlawes591
    @kevinlawes591 Рік тому +1

    Hahaha kirk a classic work with you with Scottish Colin great video 👍

    • @Onthetrowel
      @Onthetrowel  Рік тому

      Cheers mate... wait, did you just say you know me? I'm intrigued mate, what job were we on. I know two Scottish Colin's
      One is a big bloke a builder and the other one works in the building merchants?

    • @kevinlawes591
      @kevinlawes591 Рік тому +1

      @@Onthetrowel big Scot col from pensby you worked on Kay an Steve’s over the road from his!

    • @Onthetrowel
      @Onthetrowel  Рік тому +1

      @Kevin Lawes ahh yes, that was a few years ago. Fair play mate you've got a good memory.
      How is the big fella, had a few good laughs with collin

    • @kevinlawes591
      @kevinlawes591 Рік тому

      Good mate I am Kev the little lad who worked with him for a bit you also jumped on the job in hoylake by the golf course! For anyone watching Kirk is a great plasterer! Makes a shit cup of tea though!! 👍😉

    • @Onthetrowel
      @Onthetrowel  Рік тому +1

      @@kevinlawes591 haha. Only get asked to make one that way 😉🤣

  • @neilb2593
    @neilb2593 Рік тому

    They are only ment for the final pass. But everyone is jumping straight on on them after you've put it on with the Marshall town. Me included. And when you do they leave a shit finish.

  • @paulobrien4679
    @paulobrien4679 Рік тому

    Fire exit signs aswell we used haha

    • @Onthetrowel
      @Onthetrowel  Рік тому +1

      Yep, health an safety used to have a melt down because all the signs used to dissappear 🤣

    • @paulobrien4679
      @paulobrien4679 Рік тому

      🤣🤣💯

  • @mickydola6472
    @mickydola6472 Рік тому

    Cracking video Kirk you would be good in ye twilight years teaching the next generation of skimmers in a collage or so when ye deciding to slow ye buzz down abit 😉👍

    • @Onthetrowel
      @Onthetrowel  Рік тому

      I've got one lad working with me 19 years old. I go home an want to put my head in the microwave 🤣
      Can you imagine 30 of them... your making me feel ill mick 🤢🤣🤣

    • @mickydola6472
      @mickydola6472 Рік тому

      @@Onthetrowel🤣🤣🤣🤣I hear ye but same time me gaffer I learned from was like you old school maybe few years off ye Dads time when he learned an most of the time he loves it easy money semi retirement jus a thought be mush like u could handle em no problem 😉🤣🤣🤣👍

    • @mickydola6472
      @mickydola6472 Рік тому

      Big*

    • @mickydola6472
      @mickydola6472 Рік тому

      @@Onthetrowel plus ye right with the medi flex use that on a wet trowel and polish them plazi flex to get dat Matt finish saved ye polishing the head right off it only pisses the painters off any way getting it like glass 🤪🤣🤣🤣🤣

  • @Rureal42
    @Rureal42 Рік тому

    What about flattening with a Speedskim plastic blade recommended or not?

    • @Onthetrowel
      @Onthetrowel  Рік тому +1

      I do mate, but only a flatten, it still gets three goes with the carbon steel afterwards

    • @Rureal42
      @Rureal42 Рік тому

      @@Onthetrowel Thanks for the reply and after watching your vid of course you explained all about the Speedskim. 👍

  • @Ste2023
    @Ste2023 Рік тому

    Hi Kirk ..new to your channel..
    Have u ever used those - Foam backed Trowels ..I think there for skimming for (DIY or something lol

    • @Onthetrowel
      @Onthetrowel  Рік тому +1

      Hey mate, is this the one you mean?
      amzn.to/3JezAbc
      Or a sponge float like this? amzn.to/3XWOS8m

    • @Onthetrowel
      @Onthetrowel  Рік тому +1

      Oh and I forgot to say, welcome to the channel mate, nice to have you 🙂

    • @Ste2023
      @Ste2023 Рік тому

      @@Onthetrowel yeah . This 1 . Could you do a "short video on "different trowels -especially skimming...which Trowels give a good smooth finish ...Thanks 👍 Kirk

    • @Ste2023
      @Ste2023 Рік тому

      @@Onthetrowel Thank U .

    • @Onthetrowel
      @Onthetrowel  Рік тому

      @Steven Douglas of course mate.
      I personally use a Carbon steel trowel exactly the same as this one
      amzn.to/3H9cGz6
      To be honest it's all about how well the trowel is broken in. The more it's used then the sharper it gets which means then it really leaves a lovely job.
      Takes a few months of daily use to really break a trowel in though mate 🙂👍

  • @blainemolyneux4067
    @blainemolyneux4067 Рік тому +1

    Being using my flex nela to scrap the ice off the windscreen on the van haha 😄

    • @Onthetrowel
      @Onthetrowel  Рік тому

      🤣🤣 love it

    • @blainemolyneux4067
      @blainemolyneux4067 Рік тому +1

      All jokes aside only use it last thing a good video there mate good to see the channel going well 👍

  • @williamcunningham3315
    @williamcunningham3315 10 місяців тому +1

    Cellulite I’ve had that a few times😂😂😂

  • @rich69694
    @rich69694 Рік тому +3

    I'm not a massive fan of the flexi trowels, but I am a fan of that Buttwiser poster 😂🍻

    • @Onthetrowel
      @Onthetrowel  Рік тому +3

      Couple of cracks on my wall that I Don't mind looking at 😳🤣

    • @rich69694
      @rich69694 Рік тому

      @@Onthetrowel Me neither. Keep that filming angle, it's got, ehhhh, good lighting 😂

    • @Nofixedabode859
      @Nofixedabode859 Рік тому

      Ay them cracks need filling you should know that as plasterers boys

  • @joeglabus7255
    @joeglabus7255 Рік тому

    Marshall town for me buy it give it to floor screeder to break in when i wzs a lad 👍

  • @Danny-ql2ep
    @Danny-ql2ep Рік тому

    Marshalltown all the way and a plastic one at the end I use the nela

  • @paulthompson4088
    @paulthompson4088 10 місяців тому

    You own a Miller's book of plastering. The Bible respect to you! Outdated but faith play 👍

  • @darrylfranklin7490
    @darrylfranklin7490 5 місяців тому

    35 years in the trade , Tried em all, I think the flexi trowels are to vulnerable to nicks and damage, Ok if you treat em like a baby, Get yourself a Marshaltown stainless and spend the time breaking it in it will last you for years and trowel just as good as any flexi trowel and serve you much better and last twice as long

  • @alwynhughes4421
    @alwynhughes4421 Рік тому

    I only use the flexi trowel for cross trowling