DS 4 in-depth review - Carbuyer (Citroen DS4)
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With the DS brand now separate from Citroen, its range of cars has been treated to a refresh. The latest is the stylish DS4 which has the new family face and a slightly revised interior. There's a range of petrol and diesel engines, plus decent list of standard equipment. We find out if it's a worthy alternative to traditional hatchbacks and increasingly popular crossovers.
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if you don´t like passengers, you can just impale them on rear doors...
lol forgot about that fucking hurts to
As a Hyundai driver I never thought I'd say this but I'm actually considering buying the first model DS4. It's just a great looking car with a lot of value for your money, especially when you buy a used one. Also you rarely see it on the road so you will have a quite unique vehicle.
Did you? I think along the same line.......THP engines have bad reputation.
As a Citroen owner and lover it is a great pleasure to be reading all those negative comments. The big picture is being missed here. First of all, Citroen/DS never wanted to be understood or appreciated. The car is French - it is arrogant, it doesn't care about the billions of foolish comments about the rear windows (like who gives a damn, you are riding an awesome French lady, man) and it shouts wilderness. Thank God, Citroen is unordinary. The car is not tempted by "correctness" of shapes or whatever from other brands. Yes, the rear windows don't open & yes, you can't find the "correct" rear visibility. It is like that. We can see the hate for that, but it is obvious - Citroen/DS doesn't care. At the end of the day most will turn their eyes on this car or will respect it for being that different lad from the class. Citroen cares for itself. At the begining of the party Astras, Golfs, 1s, A3s will sweat to dominate the field. But all of them will go home early with the ugly-to-average girls. Citroen/DS stays until the end to grab and fuck the beautiful chicks in the acoustic and "claustrophobic" rear seats. And chicks adore it. This is why Citroen spirit is adored. Remember - the original DS was not accepted hugely outside of France at the time as well. Any fucks given for that? Hell no. Citroen did their own thing. It's the same story today. Merci beaucoup, Citroen/DS - you don't care about the rest once more. Finally.
I have driven Peugeots and Fiats since 1974 and my first Citroen was a ZX Volcane in 1994. After the ZX I have had an AX, Berlingo, XM and now a DS4 with watch-strapped seats. Love this brand and personally I would prefer the Citroen name in it. After 4 plus years I still enjoy my DS4 especially on the long cruises. No issues except that it consumes oil (1 litre per 10,000 kms) if I hit the high notes consistently. Odo reads 120,000 kms.
Same here, bro. 1 year later - 40000kms under the bonnet. Flat out enjoyment and average consumption of 5.8l/100 throughout the whole process. Can stand behind every damn word in what I said an year ago.
Fairly certain Citroen do want to be appreciated - they’re not making cars for free for the love of it. The problem is if you’re making premium cars where the back windows don’t even go down then that isn’t ‘quirky’, it’s just annoying. I own a Citroen C3 which I massively regret buying because of it’s ‘quirky’ lack of any storage and dreadful driving characteristics. I will not buy another.
183L13V3 I’m considering buying a 2nd hand. It’s got 23km, any pointers?
I used to own the C4 vtr petrol 1.6 - now got a 12 plate Ds4 airdream. I do like citroen and think they offer all round value for money as well as great looks. They stand out from the crowd and they are proud to do so. When the original c4 vtr was launched it set the trend. They are trend setters not followers. The only other brand I admire for design and trend setting is audi as everyone is copying there look
I love my DS4, smooth, responsive, delight to drive. And I love it's typically French idiosyncrasies. Its a big two finger salute to to the German cars.
Is it worth getting it remapped to 150 bhp
@@martynferguson4647 mine is the normal 120bhp and I find that to be enough for my needs.
Looking forward to seeing the new DS4 in 2021
@@jmccallum34 has it, was it reliable?
@@pete2sash yes, I've had it 4 years now. Not given me a single problem.
Same my mum has a ds4 she loves it.
the receding hearline feature is great for me because i can never see stoplights if i'm sitting completely upright in some cars with bad visibility
What? The rear windows do not open? How french is that..?
+metro2002 you have a Renault don't you?
metro2002
the things i know... :D
Renault and Peugeot/Citroen and now DS are very different in reliability, PSA have the dark year whit models like 307 or 407 every *07 to be right, but even those are quite reliable not the best cars to live, i have a 407 had a 406 before and in some aspects the 407 loses, its more cramped inside, uses more fuel its to heavy however much more refined ride.
In other words, just switch from Renault to Peugeot and most of your problems will be solved just avoid the *07 ones...
metro2002 My dad used to own an citroen ax 1.4 ,no serious issues. Engine only had about 180k km when a woman didn't stop at a stop sign and crashed into my dad. I liked it,it was a fun little car!
rui518 I would not switch from renault to peugeot,but that's just me. I would also avoid any french car from around '97 until '04-'05.All three brands made terrible cars that time. Newish renaults seem to be fine.My mate owns a 2012 clio diesel absolutely nothing to report so far, except that the clutch pedal became squeaky in the first 2000 kilometers (also very french hahaha)
+needraintodrift Citroen do these things, same story on the C4 Cactus.
What! No rear windows??? Lol is this some kind of joke? and what an ugly looking badge looks like one of those Chinese rip off brands
+Omar +i raul & the lot... its not a joke... it's a question of perspective! ...you see, DS4 - while it still was a Citroen - was meant to be a bit more posh replacement for 1.gen C4 Coupe. Which was, like Xsara Coupe before it and all other C segment coupe's, a 3 door model! and like all 3 door models C4 Coupe had its rear windows fixed! and nobody made a fuss around that... with its replacement, they wanted to make a model which would still look like a coupe, but have a bit easier access to the second row! hence, narrow, but still usable rear doors, with hidden door handles and oversized windows, that - when shut - gives an impression of normal 2 door coupe... and if you ask me, they succeeded! so, DS4 is not to be considered as C segment family 4 door compact with fixed rear windows, but as C segment coupe with far more practical entry to the rear seats! ;)
+Mirko Zlikovski nobody made a fuss about the C4 coupe because it was a 3 door, the fact that this car is meant to suit the family dynamic and has 5 doors... and it's rivals have power windows makes it very impractical indeed. Though I do see where you're coming from with the '3 door look', the Renault Clio did it just as well and it has the functionality of rear power windows.
+Tom Hurley ... well of course this is a 'design trade-off', because to achieve the closest '3 door look' possible, on a car that has 5 doors, you have to put a larger window than the lower door opening actually is... to 'disguise or hide' rear doors even more, they made that awkward door handle 'protrusion' so they can have 'unbroken' chrome lining around the rear window, like it would be if there was only front pair of doors...
but to understand WHY they did this, you have to understand their 'brand design'... at some point they decided that 3 door versions of the same model will have different look as their 5 door versions! they share platform, complete mechanics (engines and drive trains) and their interiors, but have different outer appearance... this was the case with first gen C3 (its 3 door version was C2), with first gen. C4, with second gen. C3 (where DS3 is its 3 door version) and with second gen. C4, where '3 door version' was DS4... with addition of 'shifting' then still Citroen DS models a bit 'up market'...
so that's basically is it... DS4 is just a '3 door' version of C4! and it should be 'judged' like that... but I understand that separating DS line in to its own brand complicates everything an people in general are not 'observant' enough to understand all that...
+Mirko Zlikovski forgive my ignorance i'm Australian and Citroen never sold a 3 door DS4. Here they were also marketed very differently, or so it seems from what you've said. Here, the DS3 was a MINI Cooper rival, and than the C3 to more traditional supermini's (speaking British classes, in Australia it's the light class) such as the Honda Jazz or Renault Clio. But it's been clear to me in CarBuyer's other videos that this isn't that much of a difference. DS to me is appealing to a different audience rather than offering different body styles. And I'm sorry mate but I'm still not convinced about the rear doors. As I mentioned before, the Renault Clio and Honda Civic pulled off the same look with a larger window (which seems to let in next to no light in the video) and that impaling door handle position is not at all practical. I do agree that it looks good closed though, and agree it probably pulls off the 3 door look better than the others... but it's a family car
+Tom Hurley ... :)). well, you said it... IT DOES look good closed! in fact it looks damn good and much better than on models you're mentioning... and that's what they predominantly were after! because, when this car was 'conceived' and designed, its purpose WAS to be 'more upscale addition' to classical C segment family compact C4! as well as replacement for first C4 Coupe!! so, in other words, its target group was not 'families'... that was 5 door C4's 'dominion'! DS4 was meant for people that put ultimate practicality second (or doesn't need it), but like to have 'neat' and a bit 'higher class' product... basically, complaining about its rear windows is to me like complaining that A3 Sportback is a lousy estate, because it has a form of estate but virtually no space and practicality of a normal estate... frankly, there is the same story... it is 'estate like' addition to 'ordinary' A3, like DS4 is a 'coupe like' addition to ordinary C4! what you're saying about DS was 'secondary purpose' or so called 'bonus feature'... that is, before they separated it to stand alone brand! as Citroens, they (DS3 and DS4) primarily were '3 door replacements' for their previous generation 3 door 'C' models... in the same way it is wrong to look at DS 5 (because of the number in its name) as 'D segment premium' model... no! DS 5 is not 'C5 class' of a vehicle... it simply is rather posh version of C4 estate! or, a kind of 'fancy C4 Picasso GT' (on a count of its technical base)... so comparing DS5 with A5 and other D segment cars is 'misunderstanding the matter'. its competition are cars like A3 Sportback or V40...
though, I agree... detaching DS line form other Citroen models into stand alone brand also means detaching them from their original purpose... which automatically emphasis their slightly idiosyncratic features which were somewhat 'covered' while they were Citroens...
and you misunderstood me... DS4 never had a 3 door version. I said that it acts like a 3 door version of C4! but it might get one in future, with its replacement, when DS brand will need both, a 5 door family compact and a 3 door/coupe model of this size... and I doubt that there will be fixed windows on next 5 door DS4... because it won't just be 'an addition' any more...
Nintendo was hugely successful with their DS lineup so its only fair for Citroen to try selling their DS too...
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+TEDdotcom citroën's DS is much older than nintendo... google citroën DS and be amazed
To any Citroën execs: Make a comfortable, quiet & practical car with the magic-carpet feel. Call it whatever you want. I will buy it.
+Jon Londrezos Hurry up while you can still get a C5 Exclusive.
+gentle285 for 30k I would rather buy a 2nd hand S-class. If they want to sell cars they need to give good value options in the middle/small sector. For those who prefer ride instead of handling. Think of the old CS cars... they were as comfortable as top end mercs and bentleys.
+Jon Londrezos You say: " Make a comfortable, quiet & practical car with the magic-carpet feel. Call it whatever you want. I will buy it." Then gentle285 says they already make that, the C5. Then you say you won't buy it.
Make up your mind.
+Jack Londonen I was referring to a small class, not the C5 class. In the C5 class the comfortable options are plenty. In the small class there is just the Golf.
Makes sense?
@@JonLondrezos the C4 is quiet and definitely more comfortable than the Golf. But i hear you. there should be more comfortable options in the Golf class. Double wishbone suspension and air sprung. Thick carpets and ridiculous amounts of sound deadening. But that will cost snd that’s probably why they don’t make that. Problem is that small cars are nearly as expensive to make as bigger ones.
If DS is going to be a brand, surely it has to echo the winning values of the Citroen DS car. That and the amazing SM were innovative and stand-out stylish. This car, and the others are so-called premium but just not 'amazing' enough. They need to be electric gas turbine hybrids with thought control and five wheel drive or something.
+Robin Tankard probably next models, this ones are just re-branded old Citroen, i think i read the next will be the DS 9...
Citroen TA, DS, CX, XM or C6 were more premium than any other car in their segment. Making premium cars is no any problem for DS. I cant wait C6 successor
g00dfeeling Finally someone who likes the C6, I was always a big fan if the car, a little something different from the usual crop of luxury cars that's actually pretty good ⌒.⌒
+g00dfeeling Soon. We'll see something like the C6 soon. I just wish that citroe- DS would engineer a hydro-pneumatic suspension for their range. The DS5 at least. In the Citroen C5, it performs perfectly for comfort and levelness.
It seems like a betrayal in either the DS' or Citroen's name to sacrifice comfort over "handling". Not if more there was a soft suspension on offer.
Anyway, I have been in a Citroen DS4 on a trip in Belgium. The back was hurtful. My Prius is far larger in the back - and front. The boot was square - which helped, and that's all that had going for it. The seats were very nice though and in no way did the feeling of quality was ruined in the DS4. The AC and heater were powerful.
And I would understand for some that for some people like me, the back was a cocoon of darkness. I prefer the cathedral or greenhouse impression. But for other people, that's just what they want. They want to be surrounded by dark plastic and leather. So they can see their phones without glare.
Given how bold Citroen was in introducing the DS sub-brand with the DS3 first in the glut of the economic crisis, fair play to them in selling more than a few several hundred thousand of these examples.
+g00dfeeling I'd be surprised if they release a true successor to C6 with hydro suspension. C5 might be the last car to have one.
+g00dfeeling HAHAHAHA the C6 looks like absolute SHIT !! my god you have strange tastes
+john hunter It's a piece of design hard to swallow by an average hillbilly boy.
You can call a duck a chicken but in the end it still quacks.
Yeeeees Citroen has finally stopped being sensible,just the way they should be, leave the sensibility to the Germans
What? The rear windows do not open? How french is that..?
I like what citroen did ;)
Wait, it's expensive? Have you checked the list prices of it's rivals?
I've got one. Great car!
I have a DS4 2.0 Prestige. Yes the legroom in the back is bad, but it’s only ever me in the car so that wasn’t a concern,same with the back windows not opening.
Same here, I love how it looks. Couldn't care less about rear leg room or the back windows. It ticks all the boxes for me.
Don't you know that Citroen prepares a revolutionnary suspension for 2017 ?It will be magnetic with electro magnet.
Well, not really. They did cut costs and dumped hydropneumatic for creating...a normal suspension with a soft setup called "Progressive hydraulic cushions" wich is not hydraulic at all.
They have great idea with this DS brand.
I don't know why Mat is bitching about it.
I'll still buy my wines and breads in France, but cars can be found elsewhere...
You can find better wines and bread in so many places than in France and people is much nicer elsewhere. French stuff is all about la Belle Epoque refried marketing. But shhh... It's a secret.
+Thierry77144 Italy, Spain, Portugal, Argentina, Chile...
brtmn Thank you for pointing that out. When I come to think of it, I actually agree... Still, I believe there are frenchmen that are more respecting than those I´ve met on Champs Elysees...
+Phil Jones
Parisiens are friendly if you speak french.
I don't know why they decided to seperate "DS" and "Citroen". DS is also an identity of Citroen, all the important car that evolved Citroen over the years are cars with "DS" elements like CX, BX, SM, GS, XM, and C6. If they remove that "DS" essence from Citroen, all you pretty much left, is 2CV, which did not evolve for 50 years. They are literally choking themselves
Wife DS4 and me C4 and its for sure nice cars after owning several other bad brands like Audi, BMW, Volvo and on.
Seriosly my mum has ds4 to
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@@fonziebulldog5786 didn't mean it in a negative way ,more of you have one to way.
@@fonziebulldog5786 cool car ds4 is.
ugh dodge pulled this move already , this is a citroen DS4 to me, like the dodge ram is the dodge ram, one thing that has been bugging me is "(badge) says/has done" like vauxhall/opel. Vauxhall just produces the astra, truth is Opel calls the shots in europe. i wish we would adopt the opel nameplate and get rid of that confusion.
Making DS its own make, reminds me of Ram separating from Dodge.
There is only one DS. And that´s the original. Everything else is a fake and a joke.
You can´t name a car that lacks the hydropenumatic suspension for a "DS".
Ciroen has gone down the drain....
The bmw 1 series is lower quality in comparison to the ds4, and its a far nicer car to sit and drive in.
Yooka: Hold on, "It won’t hold its value as well as an Audi A3 Sportback"? That’s it, I’m getting Laylee ASAP! Laylee!
This isn't a Citroen car.
This is DS.
Bacon lettuce burger This is No Rear Windows
I'm sure people had their doubts when Toyota introduced Lexus or when Nissan created Infinity. Different dog, same trick. Is it a good idea? Time will tell. It really depends on the cars. If anything, I think they've done it too late - it would've worked better if they introduced the DS line as a separate brand from the get go. Now it just screams rebranding and that's not what you're after when trying to go premium. As for the rear windows... At first, I was like "what?! that is stupid..." But than I realized that with air conditioning, you rarely open windows... at all. Especially on the back, where kids sit, and kids are great at getting sick from drafts. So... maybe it's not such a dumb idea after all?
+Piotr Podgórski something tells me you like the sound of your own voice
I read this comment aloud three times and I had the time of my life doing it. Your point?
Piotr Podgórski you're trying too hard.
Cars from the DS line are the only good ones Citren make now... but I like the DS3 most. It looks best, the handling is best and there are no noticeable trade-offs.
Citröen was like a premium car brand of France with some of their cars like DS, SM, each... But in time Citröen became to a Peugeot. So they are trying to reise again with DS badge. I think it is a clever move for them. But they are not premium as their German and Swedish rivals. So they have to work harder...
Great review but I particularly like that nose on the new DS4 and Citroen should have just added a elite or grand for a premium car
I think Citroen want us to consider it as a 2+2
It must renamed Citroën DS4
It could be nice if they used the Hydraktiv Pneumatic again. Bye ROCCO
Seen my first one up close yesterday, it blew me away, it looks awesome and sooo different I was loking for a practical estate but now I'm desperate to own one !!
Jesus you really hate anything to do with Citroen even DS.
The head and knee room is subjective. It all depends on the drivers seat position and the size of the passengers in the back.
Well, Citroën didn't make the choice, PSA did. I think they made the right choice. Adding a few so called premium models to the range of a mainstream brand like Citroën and Peugeot won't work. Especially Citroën's image is not premium anymore. Almost no potential car buyer still remembers the glory days of the Citroën DS.
DS does however face a two great challenges: First, they have to bring new, fresh and top notch technology cars soon. Second, the entire costumer experience from the dealership, over to the CRM from the headquarters up to their stuff on the internet and social media have to be on the level as well. They really need to get out of the comfort zone for this baby.
Great review Matt, I just don't see how this car can be considered premium enough to be compared to a BMW 1er, Audi A3 etc ... It doesn't even feel premium enough to match a Ford Focus Titanium or a VW Golf highline... Besides it drives like crap and it looks horrendous. The rear window which doesn't open it's just priceless... hahaha
+Kees Zoutzeling Well until you get inside of one you really won't know how premium it looks and feels. It isn't like BMW's always have the best interiors, I've come across more shit ones than nice ones in my life.
+BombayBerke I owned a 1er F20 and the material quality(not the looks) is great, you get soft touch materials and good quality plastic everywhere. Now I own a mkvii GTI and it's also top notch(apart from the back side door, which is not soft touch). A friend of mine had a ds4 and it did not impress me at all , it's really cramped and I'm only 1.86m, specially in the rear. I felt in a mini and the ergonomics is awful. Just look at how poorly this car sells and how fast it depreciates, that reflects how good it is. Citroen should try to bring a performance hatchback like the Megane RS, or 308 GTI to the market instead of trying to be "premium", something it clearly isnt.
I liked it more when it was a Citroen. They're rebranding, but they're keeping the cars from Citroen range. Now we have Citroen DS4 and DS4, which are essentially the same - and both not very good. I think the DS brand will be a failure in the european market. The competition from Audi, BMW, Mercedes and Volvo is just better.
DS sells really well in Europe, and China. In Britain, not so well, but that's purely down to badge snobbery.
i thumbed up for his Tommy Hilfiger jumper, gotta love tommy
LOL! what a piece of shit. Great job citroën for messing up the launch of your premium brand :)
The back windows are such a minimal problem as everyone uses air-con these days anyway? It's pretty obvious that 'Matt' clearly hates anything that's not BMW, Audi or VW. All 3 car manufactures that know their buyers are paying for that 'named' brand, so don't give two hoots about improving. I like the DS range and hope Citroen continue.
Porsche Kingdom what happens if you have travel sick children?
Take them to the doctors and get some medication surely? Air does come into the back when the passenger and drivers windows are down, like most 3 door vehicles. Which by the way, don't have opening windows
i know the french would say that this is radical and unique but this is just some ugly shit which is also impractical and cheap.
I dont care what they call it, that thing is ugly. Citroen just needs to make better cars, that's all.
The original styling for the nose was much nicer. This is, frankly, quite ugly.
They call them 'DS' and have a stylish logo but ... use only the 'S' in the badge, (front and steering wheel). WTF?
And anyway, this 1-2-3-4-5-... boring namings should stop some time. Citroen, excuse me, DS, didn't dare.
Also, the Citroen DSs had very nice masks, the DS5 one was a work of modern art. Now, look at these dull, old-styled ones. Hyundai designs much better looking fronts for their cars.
Finally, if consumers have to consider DS as premium brand, doesn't that subsequently diminish the Citroen brand?
Those rear doors are god-awfal! They loom lethal too!
The real DS line will arrive soon with specific cars different of basic citroen.
And indeed it did. 👍
Would this be good for my first car ?
Yes. A kia picanto would be good as a first car too
Car manufacturers have gone too far to save money: first, they replaced regular-size spare tyre with "emergency" spare tyre, then they relace even that miserable little wheel with "tyre repair kit"! They start putting fixed rear side windows in 5-door "budget city cars" (like VW up!, Skoda Citygo, Citroen C1, Peufeot 107, Toyota Aygo, New Twingo etc.), now we see them in mid-sized hatchbacks, too! They left only two dashboard air vents (instead of 4) in Up! or C1/107 (back to the '70s!), then they replaced water temp. gauge with a warning light (back to the '60s!), and so on. It's unacceptable to pay, as an option (or even not even that!), for something which was standard 20 or 30 years ago! This is rip-off!
"Less buttons"... make that FEWER buttons. Learn to speak English.
I remember picking up my car from the workshop when someone parked a DS4. Oh, nice car, the people around me said. 'Yes, it is,' I replied. 'By the way, that's mine,' and pointed at my red Astra GTC. Less expensive, just as luxurious, more space in the back and a far superior ride. Nope, won't be buying the DS brand any time soon.
I think they should have it as ds and not Citroen. imagine if Skoda changed that ugly chicken logo.
Glad to have you back Matt, that Mustang guy scared us with his... erm... approach. How cute it is that you omitted to mention HIGH LOAD LIP, rear door as melee weapon, cup holders, glove box, centre armrest, cubby holes... Just be honest next time and say: The car sucks, don't buy it. It's neither a practical car for regular guys, nor it's hot hatch, nor can compete with a3, 1 series or v30 in style or image. It's wishy washy, wanna be premium car.
Hi Mat...once again you refer to the mpg of this vehicle being well down on the manufacturer's claim...you make the same comment in almost every review you do.
Isn't it time some of the ways manufacturers' obtain those figures was exposed? ...perhaps a special episode?...using ultra skinny tires...removing side mirrors...taping closed all seams and the radiator...doing the "test" on a downhill run or billiard table like road...putting a "special" undertray " to reduce wind resistance...etc
After the VW diesel scandal surely ALL claims, including those referring to mpg should be investigated...I for one would certainly look forward to such an episode or at the very least your opinion on the matter and perhaps taking a stand on the issue...cheers : )
38 mpg from a modern day diesel is very poor. Wouldn't be surprised if the 1.6 petrol matches that figure.
+Cantatos yeah the bmw and audi diesels are very good. Good mpg and torque. On the motorway they are perfect. How reliable has the 2.0d been in the 5 series?
This car needs to be in black else the front looks hideous. But i applaud Citroen for making this move, hope they sucssed. Always had a thing for wierd French cars.
Splitting the brand means splitting the loyalty. They should have just upgraded the existing Citroen brand. But Citroen has never done anything conventionally. Remember their DS 19 and 21, and even more amazing their inclusion of a Maserati engine on one model.
I have a 1.6 diesel one and it's good on fuel and quite fast but been 6dt1 and 120 kilo plus I only wish it was a bit bigger physically,I was also insulted at paying £223 for a stop start battery ,to me it's a good idea that's flawed and anyone buying one get it mapped or you'll get bothered with adblue warnings which to be honest the car doesn't need ,think long and hard before buying one is my advice ,I certainly wouldn't ever own another
No hydro-pneumatic suspension, no care. Citroen are going to go broke with uncompetitive crap like this.
+harveybirdman74 citroen stops the hydro-pneumatic suspension but is creating a revolutionnay suspension for 2017 on all citroen cars. It will be magnetic with electro magnet.
They've ruined it that front end is horrible compared to the previous
You just cannot improve your car by changing brand. What Citroen needs to do is to improve the quality of their cars.
i dont mind the back or the sides but the front is ugly as ugly can be.
Why can't make the French a nice looking AND good car.. Unbelievable.. All those years of experience. They just can't do it.
DS ? not that Citroen is such a desirable brand but the name at least is better than DS
They completely ruined the car. Never buying that trash.
those back doors and no rolling windows are such a stupid design flaw
To name a car DS and not being offensive to her own history, citroen has to make a car that has the best ride quality, be innovated in everything, has space and practicality and could be desirable even 50 years from now. And they just make weird hatches that will be forgotten or are not desirable even now and they make a whole new brand out of this?
They need to make a proper DS in the vein of the 1960/70s icon instead of faffing with hatch backs and the likes. Create a real premium brand Citroen not re hashes of your main brand.
Surely if your new to market with a "up-market" spin off brand, you would look at your competitors and see what they did well and then add that your product. You would see where your competitors fall short by conducting market research and make your car had those things out of the gate. It would seem at some point during a meeting someone should have been told to shut up and sit down, but instead the rest of the people in that meeting nodded and thought it was a good idea.
wow, Citroen silliness at its best!!! I don't mind the premium branding but those rear doors and poor visibility is crazy... too much chateauneuf du pape perhaps :)
Sliding "roof" above front seats is so cool. ^^
They should have called it instead like Citroen Grand DS 4 or smth if its a more luxury DS 4 than the original. This name change thing really is confusing and weird.
It seems that Citroen has also fallen victim to that front grill designer that works for Ford, Kia, Suzuki, Mini etc... Someone should already arrest that guy for crimes against car designs.
I think it's a good thing to call them DS, also Suzuki can create a brand Alto Club. Did manufacturers admit by creating new brands that they are not prestigious and they are normally aiming to create cheap low quality mass production cars for the big profit?
To name it DS 4 as a brand it should be a bit more sporty looking then will fit better in the market for new brands. Maybe in France or Italy this small cars design are appreciated, it depends for what market it suppose to be. DS 4 without a big stand point (difference) it will confuse the clients more.
Citroen apparently didn't get the memo about the world having too many car brands...
That Denon speaker in the boot sucks. They have it for years now, they really should come up with a better solution like every other manufacturer on the market.
'The gearbox isn't as good as the one in the BMW 1 Series.' Gee I wonder why....
I'm not so concerned with the lack of rear opening-windows... than with DS being decades behind about security: no ACC, no automatic braking...
Wonder how many people will buy this car to then realize the rear windows don't go down....
Personally, I never check the rear windows operation when I go for a test drive
They must have done some researches before they decide to change or create the new brand name, personally though...I think it's the matter of time for the public to get use to it.
I drive a lot of rental cars who offer these Citroëns. Their standard is the c3, this one is tge more premium choice. This ds4 drives a lot better, I like the steering wheel.
it is a shame on a car this size that the rear windows do not go down. the rebranding to the DS brand is a good idea, however this will take time to separate more from the citroen models and feel like a brand in its own right. with this car you feel that they still are trying to find their footing in developing their own identity. it does show. but just give them time.
So why didn't they give it a rear pop out Windows better than nothing. You would be roasting in the back in hot weather till the air con came on
PSA didn't invest enough in the development of this DS4. I think the idea of the DS brand may work over time, but PSA has invest much more to be competitive.
Having fixed rear windows in any 4 door car, let alone a supposedly "premium" car, is inexcusable in this day and age. Wow.
How can you move upmarket to compete with "desirable brands" by giving up your relatively desirable brand for a no-name?! In all honesty, anyone, who has any idea about the heritage of the DS brand will be those, who'd sneer at such marketing travesty anyway. Oh, and the original DS did have a chevron on its nose, just like its most modern successor, the C6.
+Pan Damasque Because not all buyers are dick-bag badge snobs that are obsessed with image, and are more open to slightly more interesting cars.
BombayBerke There's nothing interesting in here but the badge. Unless you're a fan of rear windows that don't open, missing handles above front passenger window, creeks and rattles around the rear seat folding mechanism and a diesel that sounds like something you'll only hear on a field ploughing. Driving dynamics aren't too good either. I've had one for a test recently. Style and brand is this car's only hope. And Citroen didn't excel there either. It's a shame, cause I really want Citroen to do well.
Very curious your opinion which one is the best all around c4/ds4/ds5?
Thank You for a good rewiev :) It is not so good car... The new Peugeot 308 from the French market is much better car for me :)
well I will still see one of those cars and say it's a citroen... but in the long run... Idk maybe they'll make a brand out of it... who knows
I think that unlike most car manufacturers, Citroen could carry off having the two brands under one Marque without issue.
Everyone will still call it a Citroën. Also even with the tweaks to the styling it's still not as good looking as the Citroën DS5.
citroen or do have wasted there money by fitting a rear windscreen wiper as it's about 5-6 Inches long
or don't click on the link... omg laggy p.o.s (still using commodore 64 I think)
Looks worse than the older version in my opinion.
Just call the damn thing a Citroen, I saw these cars like 3 years ago
Rejoice! Mat's back!
Silly naming policy, nobody is fooled. A Citroen by another name is still a Citroen.