If someone else used the term 'HEMA' before HEMAC then I'd like to see the evidence for that. The HACA and then ARMA, used the terms Western Martial Arts (WMA), Renaissance Martial Arts and MARE (Martial Arts of Renaissance Europe I believe?) as far as I remember. Certainly when we were choosing the name HEMAC (Historical European Martial Arts Coalition) we were starting from ground zero and the term 'HEMA' was not an accepted term in the historical fencing community yet. In fact it did not replace WMA for a couple of years after HEMAC was founded. This can be searched easily on the archives of Swordforum International, where you will see which groups were using which terms. If someone in isolation used the four words that create 'HEMA' before us, then that is of course possible, but I think there is no evidence to refute that it was HEMAC's creation that launched the term HEMA into common use, at a time when ARMA was still referring to WMA, MARE or other terms. In fact it seems likely that the creation of MARE was a knee-jerk reaction to the spread of the term 'HEMA'. Before HEMA became the dominant term for what we do, WMA was by far the most accepted term and is what almost everybody used to use on the old HACA Forum. Of course, all of this is academic and it was through a series of events that HEMA became the term now most widely used - I (Matt Easton) cannot claim any special credit or glory for that.
If I remember correctly, on of the first ARMA articles on the term MARE actually pretty much stated that MARE is a reaction to the spread of other terms. Basically JC saying "you are calling it this and that, but my is the best". Like usual.
Oh wow, thanks for stopping by Mr Easton! I hope enjoyed the video and got a chuckle out of it. Thats all its intended for. Theres no need to defend your yourself, although as someone who wasnt into HEMA back then, I very much enjoy learning about the history. So thanks for clarifying!
@scholagladiatoria Thanks again! I'm happy to have brought this to light. When I heard him make that claim, I knew what I had to do ;) I would suggest you, or anyone else interested in more HEMA cringe to go check out the full interview. Link in description. I specifically remember him talking about how smallsword, sabre, and broadsword systems are "incomplete" and "rudimentary" Spicy stuff indeed
I'm pretty sure that Master Clements is right, because when somebody moves like that even during speaking, he clearly must be the greatest fighter of this time. You can see with your own eyes how masterful his movement is. There is no need for him to do any sparring anymore. With such a form, he may claim anything he wants, and we simply have to accept it.
I’m a 2nd Generation WMAer (Yeah, I still use that term). It kinnda tells you something when I had to Google his name. My response to the search results were “OH, That Guy !!!” Even back in the day, him and his students kinnda set my “Spidey Senses” off as folks to avoid as much as possible.
With John hosting that ACL show on History in January, he is going to start claiming a lot more... God help us all. God help me if I ever try to do what he calls HEMA...
All those terms intended to represent the art, whoever is their patron, are modern and do not represent the traditional martial arts of Europe. Historically, there has never been a need to introduce a widely recognised term to call the art of war. The name for a "system" is a modern need.
John Clements is really one of the first people to bring the Western Martial Arts to the general public. Should not be called a liar and should be respected for his contribution. This is the problem with the HEMA people. Complete public disrespect of other practitioners and experts. You don't see that in the Asian Martial Arts.
I was at a HACA weekend seminar in 2001 in Atlanta & an ARMA weekend seminar in 2002 at Hank Reinhardt's house. I strongly recall WMA (Western Martial Arts) being the term used at the time. I don't recall HEMA being used at all. I can't recall when I first heard the term HEMA but when JC was at the Museum Replicas Clearance sale giving a demo/lecture in 2017 I know I had already been familiar with the term HEMA for a couple years I think. I seem to recall that JC at the time wasn't using HEMA & may have said he didn't like it's use; but I could be misremembering that last part. Regardless if memory serves me then JC couldn't have coined HEMA or the term would have been used at the events in 2002 & 2002.
@@DeagleBeagle That makes since as it was around then I noticed online the use of WMA transitioning to HEMA. It's also more evidence that John didn't coin the term.
I remember that Atlanta seminar. And that silly sidesword vs. rapier he had me do near the end there. It was fun, but JC turned out to be such a clown, it was very disappointing.
@@haidner John certainly has gotten a largely negative reputation over the years. The event was fun & I enjoyed learning from everyone there. I do believe I remember the side sword vs rapier. I did thing some of John's interpretations for the time were good but some were definitely strange at best. I remember his swearing up & down that rapiers can't cut for example.
@@asa-punkatsouthvinland7145 Yeah. He got the idea that they don't, but do lacerate (and quite badly) from the numerous antiques he saw, especially those Hank Reinhardt owned. They were all pretty much diamond blades, which have no edge. There are some rapiers, however, that aren't designed with that blade, so....
If I'm correct, as the author's name is the same, one of these gentlemen brought you the error-ridden Medieval Swordsmanship book. The other is a respected HEMA luminary.
I have never seen him in the last part of the clip swinging the sword outside. There are so many mechanical problems in that few seconds I cannot count them all.
@@mattmanbrownbro The Polish chapter of JCs ARMA group got fed up with him, there was a falling out. JC challenged a group of them to fight him. They agreed, settled a date, paid for an air ticket and hire of a Warsaw venue. He then suddenly had urgent business in Denmark. To this day they intend on finding him and fighting him if he enters Europe.
Oh wow, anyone else seriously care for who invented the frikkin' acronym???? What we need to study is who came up with BUHURT. Seriously messed up thing!
@@BernasLL no no, even tho it's pretty funny, the name Bohurt/Buhurt came from medieval documents and it was a knightly game/sport practiced back in the day, also called "melee".
Boys! Boys! PLEASE!!! In life, like in fighting, what you say is worthless, compared to what you accomplish. HEMA will choose its own father by virtue of retrospective. The man that made the greatest impact on the sport, will be lauded, while contemporary claims will be relegated to argument and doubts.
If someone else used the term 'HEMA' before HEMAC then I'd like to see the evidence for that. The HACA and then ARMA, used the terms Western Martial Arts (WMA), Renaissance Martial Arts and MARE (Martial Arts of Renaissance Europe I believe?) as far as I remember. Certainly when we were choosing the name HEMAC (Historical European Martial Arts Coalition) we were starting from ground zero and the term 'HEMA' was not an accepted term in the historical fencing community yet. In fact it did not replace WMA for a couple of years after HEMAC was founded. This can be searched easily on the archives of Swordforum International, where you will see which groups were using which terms. If someone in isolation used the four words that create 'HEMA' before us, then that is of course possible, but I think there is no evidence to refute that it was HEMAC's creation that launched the term HEMA into common use, at a time when ARMA was still referring to WMA, MARE or other terms. In fact it seems likely that the creation of MARE was a knee-jerk reaction to the spread of the term 'HEMA'. Before HEMA became the dominant term for what we do, WMA was by far the most accepted term and is what almost everybody used to use on the old HACA Forum. Of course, all of this is academic and it was through a series of events that HEMA became the term now most widely used - I (Matt Easton) cannot claim any special credit or glory for that.
If I remember correctly, on of the first ARMA articles on the term MARE actually pretty much stated that MARE is a reaction to the spread of other terms. Basically JC saying "you are calling it this and that, but my is the best". Like usual.
Oh wow, thanks for stopping by Mr Easton!
I hope enjoyed the video and got a chuckle out of it. Thats all its intended for. Theres no need to defend your yourself, although as someone who wasnt into HEMA back then, I very much enjoy learning about the history. So thanks for clarifying!
@@FalseEdgeHEMA Thanks for alerting me to JC's continued bullshit. I have shared your video on our Facebook page :-)
@@scholagladiatoria I think we all know how to solve this conflict: Challenge Mr. Flattamastrong to a duel.
@scholagladiatoria Thanks again! I'm happy to have brought this to light. When I heard him make that claim, I knew what I had to do ;)
I would suggest you, or anyone else interested in more HEMA cringe to go check out the full interview. Link in description.
I specifically remember him talking about how smallsword, sabre, and broadsword systems are "incomplete" and "rudimentary"
Spicy stuff indeed
I think I'm gonna trust Context Boi on this one
John Clements is the Steven Seagal of WMA/HEMA
I'm pretty sure that Master Clements is right, because when somebody moves like that even during speaking, he clearly must be the greatest fighter of this time. You can see with your own eyes how masterful his movement is. There is no need for him to do any sparring anymore. With such a form, he may claim anything he wants, and we simply have to accept it.
And there is nothing he can't parry with a Flatuhmystrong
That montage of JC footage you got there is absolutely top notch. He always looks so goofball.
I’m a 2nd Generation WMAer (Yeah, I still use that term). It kinnda tells you something when I had to Google his name. My response to the search results were “OH, That Guy !!!” Even back in the day, him and his students kinnda set my “Spidey Senses” off as folks to avoid as much as possible.
The therms and brand names, dont really care. Teaching, learning and studying are the important things
This calls for spadroons or pistols at noon.
*SABRES or pistols
With John hosting that ACL show on History in January, he is going to start claiming a lot more... God help us all. God help me if I ever try to do what he calls HEMA...
All those terms intended to represent the art, whoever is their patron, are modern and do not represent the traditional martial arts of Europe. Historically, there has never been a need to introduce a widely recognised term to call the art of war. The name for a "system" is a modern need.
John Clements is really one of the first people to bring the Western Martial Arts to the general public. Should not be called a liar and should be respected for his contribution. This is the problem with the HEMA people. Complete public disrespect of other practitioners and experts. You don't see that in the Asian Martial Arts.
"You don't see that in the Asian Martial Arts."
HAHAHAHA! Please tell me you missed a /s tag.
I was at a HACA weekend seminar in 2001 in Atlanta & an ARMA weekend seminar in 2002 at Hank Reinhardt's house.
I strongly recall WMA (Western Martial Arts) being the term used at the time. I don't recall HEMA being used at all.
I can't recall when I first heard the term HEMA but when JC was at the Museum Replicas Clearance sale giving a demo/lecture in 2017 I know I had already been familiar with the term HEMA for a couple years I think. I seem to recall that JC at the time wasn't using HEMA & may have said he didn't like it's use; but I could be misremembering that last part.
Regardless if memory serves me then JC couldn't have coined HEMA or the term would have been used at the events in 2002 & 2002.
HEMA alliance was founded in 2010.
@@DeagleBeagle That makes since as it was around then I noticed online the use of WMA transitioning to HEMA.
It's also more evidence that John didn't coin the term.
I remember that Atlanta seminar. And that silly sidesword vs. rapier he had me do near the end there. It was fun, but JC turned out to be such a clown, it was very disappointing.
@@haidner John certainly has gotten a largely negative reputation over the years. The event was fun & I enjoyed learning from everyone there. I do believe I remember the side sword vs rapier. I did thing some of John's interpretations for the time were good but some were definitely strange at best. I remember his swearing up & down that rapiers can't cut for example.
@@asa-punkatsouthvinland7145
Yeah. He got the idea that they don't, but do lacerate (and quite badly) from the numerous antiques he saw, especially those Hank Reinhardt owned. They were all pretty much diamond blades, which have no edge. There are some rapiers, however, that aren't designed with that blade, so....
"I don't remember anyone replying to the question, why do you hate someone, with, because I am not at his level" Friedrich Nietzsche
If I'm correct, as the author's name is the same, one of these gentlemen brought you the error-ridden Medieval Swordsmanship book.
The other is a respected HEMA luminary.
I have never seen him in the last part of the clip swinging the sword outside. There are so many mechanical problems in that few seconds I cannot count them all.
Probably used against non-martial artists,
Ugh hello, that flourish is not itself a fighting method.....its simply like any other technique that needs to be applied
This matters, why?
Oh god please don't ever actually get yourself into a physical confrontation with this guy over something like this. It's not worth it.
The legends say he won't show. That he never shows.
@@mattmanbrownbro The Polish chapter of JCs ARMA group got fed up with him, there was a falling out. JC challenged a group of them to fight him. They agreed, settled a date, paid for an air ticket and hire of a Warsaw venue.
He then suddenly had urgent business in Denmark. To this day they intend on finding him and fighting him if he enters Europe.
@@Brigadier9 Polish people don't tend to joke when they say they'll do something, so if I was him, I would stay far away from the Eastern Hemisphere.
Oh wow, anyone else seriously care for who invented the frikkin' acronym???? What we need to study is who came up with BUHURT. Seriously messed up thing!
I believe Buhurt came about when the first HEMAist whined about armored boxing with swords. Someone said boo-hoo! Hurt much? And it stuck.
@@BernasLL no no, even tho it's pretty funny, the name Bohurt/Buhurt came from medieval documents and it was a knightly game/sport practiced back in the day, also called "melee".
It woul be a great idea confrontate great masters of the sword of different styles and watch wath occurs
Boys! Boys! PLEASE!!!
In life, like in fighting, what you say is worthless, compared to what you accomplish.
HEMA will choose its own father by virtue of retrospective. The man that made the greatest impact on the sport, will be lauded, while contemporary claims will be relegated to argument and doubts.
Is there a problem with Matt Easton? I thought he was a solid dude.
He is. The other one isnt...
@@napoleonbonaparte8778 Good, I would have been crushed. Thank you.
Peace
What did just happen xd
Who cares 😂