DANGER STOPPED BY THE DEPUTY SHERIFF SEE DESCRIPTION. LEGGS MILLS ROAD CROSSING STILL A DANGER
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- Опубліковано 13 жов 2024
- AS PROMISED, I REVISITED THE DANGEROUS LEGGS MILLS ROAD CROSSING IN LAKE KATRINE NY, OTHER THAN THE REPLACEMENT TRACK SEGMENT BEING ASSEMBLED, THATS IT. NOTHING HAS BEEN DONE TO ADDRESS THE CROSSING ITSELF. THE RAIL IS COMPLETELY LOSE AND BEGINNING TO SPLAY OUT .
THIS SECTION IS STILL UNDER SPEED RESTRICTIONS.
I ALSO GOT A VIST FROM A DEPUTY SHERIFF DEPUTY "WHAT'S UP?" TOLD HIM RAIL FAN ACTIVITY.
SO I WILL AGAIN VIST THIS SITE TO CHECK OUT THE PROGRESS.
better looking rail than the ones by our house, those look just fine.
I said "I've seen way worse
Nothing wrong with the track, the road is the issue. Simply shut the road before a road vehicle dislodges part of the crossing causing an obstruction on the rails. Rail flexing is normal.
The rails will tend to flex with the heavily loaded trains. The important thing is that the rails stay within guage which they appear to do
All railway tracks go slightly down and up as the vehicles’ wheels roll over them. The ballast (crushed rock) provides a small amount of cushioning. If the rails were clamped to heavy concrete footings the impact of the wheels on the rails would be multiplied.
@@algrayson8965 germany uses a concrete roadbed for their high speed rail lines
@@therosijedha yeah, but an HST is generally no more than 10 cars, and it's not carrying 80t + per car. Much different forces at work.
@@DoughboyPathyUSA Concrete ties are used in America!
I dont see a problem with the rails. The rails by my house move that much or more in places. The only problem I see is that the concrete crossing pad needs replaced.
typical RF goon..there is absolutely zero issues with the rail moving/flexing hence why csx isn't losing any sleep. yes the castings need to be replaced. big deal they will be in time...
Probably called his city council the mayor and CSX multiple times. Unless there was a joint there no big deal the flex
Why?
That crossing needs to be worked. Ties are gone. Needs a proper drainage. CSX has plans to work it.
Well as an electrician with absolutely zero rr experience or knowledge, says ya better fix it fast or millions will die. Bit to much ? 😂 thats it im writing a letter
Are you serious!! That rail is fine. Nothing is going to derail there. Rails flex like that all over the place for years, with no issues. Not surprised thought coming from people who never worked for a railroad. FRN
I agree, if there was a big problem they would be running at restricted speed.
@@glenndavis522 did you not read the description there is a speed restriction
Cory Hoover That train was running 30 to 35 MPH. So that crossing can’t be very bad, track wise.
Restricted speed is a speed not exceeding 10 mph ! That's from the rule book. Was it going that slow?
Foamer
I have installed several of these concrete crossing panel sets and these were not put in correctly. They are supposed to be welded together and they should be installed on new ties, preferably concrete ones with rubber pads under the panels. They can be installed directly on new wooden ties, but the steel edges need to be welded together so that they are solid. If the ties are already older when the crossing is installed, they will be falling apart by the time the crossing panels need to be replaced and will accelerate the deterioration of the panels. The ties are in bad enough shape that the rail rolling outward is possible. That is what happened with the UP train that derailed on the Santa Fe Junction bridge over the Missouri River in Kansas City in 2020.
I got a visit from the police the first time I hung out there. There's also this one guy, clearly with some kind of alcohol abuse problem, who has a hatred of trains because his son was killed by one. My friend and I have been unfortunate enough to encounter him a few times, and he goes on these long rants about how railroads are dangerous, etc. I wouldn't be surprised if he was the one who calls the police on new railfans.
That crossing is in better shape than MOST of them where I live.
Sorry but I don't see a problem with the rails either I do see a problem with the concrete pads which is part of the road not the rails
I was Joliet Amtrak station near Chicago back around 2001. As the trains went past the station, you could see the tracks and ties freely jumping up a couple inches(!) off the ground as the train went over them. And the trains were not slowing down. I thought that would be a derailment eventually and wondered how many other tracks are likewise damaged.
This is a very common. Not something to worry about snd say “this could be a derailment at any time” as you stand closer, which made no sense🤦🏻♂️. Everything is completely fine here with the rail itself. This is very common for the rails to bounce at crossings! It will take a lot to cause a derailment. The only issue is the concrete pad that transitions into the road. Those always break down, which are more for the automobile traffic Plus it’s NY. The infrastructure is constantly breaking down and always play catch up. Been this way for decades.
If it’s so dangerous and could derail any moment why do you keep standing so close to the track? I never saw the rail moving in your video at all. I did see the crossing panels moving when the autos crossed over them. Most rail does flex up and down as each truck moves over and off of a given section of rail.
Hogger4U I’m a retired UP hoghead at New Orleans. Are you a working or retired hogger? Is so for who? If you don’t mind.
@@oldhoghead5601 ok, Either of you guys can answer... I know who the term Hogger refers to.. but WHERE did it come from originally?
@@oldhoghead5601 - Wood ties are much less expensive than concrete ties. They last for decades.
@@Luckyrider1958 Steam locomotives were called “hogs.” A driver (USA: “engineer”) of a steamer was this called a “hogger.” A locomotive driver who shunted cars and trains in marshalling (USA: “switch” or “switching”) yards or only moved locomotives around shops and fueling stations was a “hostler.”
@@algrayson8965 thanks
From a permanent way engineering point of view (track maintenance) although this isn't looking good there is little chance for derailment here sure there is void though the crossing which isn't great its even both side if it wobbled then that would be an issue. I agree it would need replacement sooner rather than later purely for maintenance purposes
Don't know what you're looking at, but the rails AREN'T loose‼
Those pads of cement between the tracks
Just the traffic pads, but not the rails.
@@CraigPetty555 yup those cement pads
the concrete that forms the crossing is what is loose. The concrete could really damage a car if you went over this too fast.
@@tazz378 I know then if a car slows down to much one behind them might ram into them
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Come on over
@@billforse6540 sorry. I'm 14 jears old ☹️😢😂
And you stayed that close to a "derailment happening any moment"? I wouldn't be anywhere near that!!!!!!!
My thoughts exactly
Misleading Subtitle! Not sure where they stopped you! But if you feel like the track may cause a derailment! Why are you standing so close to the tracks when a train is actively traveling on it!? But I understand your concern!
The rails bounce like that in Every crossing!
Yes America is going to shit all over.
Thank you for showing detail. Why not video from the other side to show the block signal change to red?
What rail is moving? Looks like just crossing panels are loose and not a problem for vehicles.
Do You Ever Find Yourself around Hopewell Junction NY? My old Hometown, used to be lots of train traffic there back in the day.
It's all been converted into bike trails
So, go take this to the Local Authorities, WTF 🤬 are you showing it to us for?
WTF are we suppose to do about it?
You sound like you are a track engineer. What Railroad do you work for? I know you aren't trespassing on Railroad Property because you must be an employee. If the track was flexing up and down four inches you would feel it in the cab and the track geometry car would also detect it. There is no out of service profile in this crossing.
Looks pretty normal for spring time. It also looks like the railroad is working on fixing the rough (for cars) crossing.
There is nothing wrong with the rails here. It is normal for the slight up and down flexing that you are seeing.
Agreed, Jaw Tooth. You have an awesome channel! I watch you and Hobo Shoestring all the time.
Thank you for your service.
@@tylers6679 That isn't Jaw Tooth tap on his display photo and you'll see.
what 4 inches movement ,is that your wee brain size .try slowing your video down then you will see it ,danger waiting to happen ,sooner not later
I saw the excessive rail dip at the midsection of the road crossing, not good.....
We have are section of track called the “donkey track” between Melbourne & Sydney in Australia where the trains tip from one side to the other for 10 kms, 2 derailments later & 7 lives lost & the track still hasn’t been fixed, speed limit is 120kms but most trains can barely hit 70kms.
Private freight companies refuse to use this section of track.
Used to the the 5'3" track the other one 4'8.5" and is fine. both are owned by Vic but only the ex 5'3" is maintained by Vic.
I couldn’t see the rail moving from the video. If a derailment is imminent you might not want to stand near the tracks, lol
Saw it near the end of the train, where the cars had higher clearance.
You just took the words right out of my mouth! LOL
The ties are every foot apart or close to it. At any given time I'm sure many have rotted, I guess shear number of ties hold the rails well enough to keep the trains on them. I have seen concrete ties in some locations but they probably will never replace all the wood ties. The US infrastructure will never be the world best, cost is always more important to our business people.
I probably wouldn't stand so close to a train riding on a defective rail. Those shipping containers look heavy.
CSX has had poor track maintenance for years! Why won’t they realize a little routine maintenance is much cheaper than a derailment that could cost lives too! Stay safe
Because they just don't care a darn only when someone dies they might give darn . I so tired of these big companies crying the blues They just don't want waste the money !
I could not detect any rail movement either. Sure the road ramp blocks need replacing, particularly with bolts protruding which could cause a tyre blowout.
"Could be a derailment any moment. You never know" said while within O F#&%!!!! Range of said potential derailment danger zone. LoL. Classic.
THE RAILS DO MOVE UP AN AN DOWN ON EVERY TRACK ANYWHERE ALL THE TIME, HEAT COLD, AN MANY THOUSAND POUNDS THAT JUST THE ENGINE WIEGHT! EVEN MODEL TRAINS AND TRACKS ! LOVE TRAIN VIDIOS!
That's a fine crossing. No demerits on that one.
Looks like some branch line at first glance, then a pretty high priority train comes through. What line is this? Where is the train from/going to?
To be honest, I don't see anything too terrible. The rail compress on load, but most rail does, though maybe not that much.
CSX River Sub which runs between Selkirk, NY and Northern NJ.....Signaled line.
Signals are visible in the video, the interesting thing is that they are placed on the Conductor side of the track instead of the Engineer side on single track line. But that is not a big deal even if the RR’s go to one man crews. I am against that, too many jobs lost and you have DPU’s and two mile long trains and you need a conductor imo. The rail looks at least 130 lb. and is in pretty good shape but I have never worked as a track inspector or anything although for several years my neighbor was one. He did complain that he was strongly discouraged from closing down a track and deferring maintenance to save money. This was many years ago though, not truly current information. Two weeks ago I saw a intermodal stopped at a red light at just after noon, came back by there at 3:10 and it was still stopped. Then I saw the white and yellow track maintenance equipment further down the line. This is a mainline with 14-17 trains per 24 hours so that crew and others must have been hugely frustrated as their 12 hours ticked away and they never moved an inch closer to the home/away terminal. Not fun waiting for a transit van to try and find you when you time out many miles from the crew change point.
That’s not bad at all. You should see New England branch lines. You’d be terrified at the crossings at Pan Ams East Deerfield yard.
Proud yours is worse eh, easy to see why the country is disegentrating.
Get a tape measure and LOOK 👀 👁 what 4 inches is! Education BEFORE Description goes a l o n g way.
Rail is designed to move, it's called "deflection".
If you are expecting a derailment, the rail would need to move almost 4 inches to allow the wheel to drop into the gage. So, with welded rails at this spot, I don't see that happening 😕.
Look and learn before Description.
when you notify the rail co do they repair ?
So much distortion in the video. Could not get a clear picture of what the problem (if any) could be.
The lack of SKILLED TRADESMEN in America is painfully obvious EVERY DAY.
@@oldhoghead5601 lolo
Nice try, but you couldn't be more wrong.
All rails flex up and down under the massive weight of a train. Even brand new ones. You aren't much of a railfan or you would know that. And the deputy didn't do anything except ask what you were up to. The only thing I saw that needs fixed is the precast crossing sections are definitely loose and sitting too high.
What’s up with the video title? Deputy Sheriff did not “stop” you, simply asked a question, and from what I can tell left you alone after that. Has about maybe 1% to do with your video. Title should be something to do with the crossing you appear to be documenting.
It's normal for some flex in the rail, don't know how much flex. The crossing concrete pads are trashed tho.
Sorry,I missed the Flopping rail.
Saw normal flex. Look closer. The ties stay with the rail. Ya should visit the Escanaba & Lake Superior. They'll show ya real worn out physical plant.
I've seen rail flexure much more pronounced than that on a lot of grade crossings. The rail and ties are more captive embedded in the crossing material than where exiting from the crossing so there is flexure when the wheels enter and exit the crossing. It looks pretty bad for the cars and trucks but probably isn't worrisome for the railroad as long as the concrete slabs aren't interfering with the rail car wheels.
On the subject of trespassing, I do a lot of railfanning myself and I've been "informed" by Law Enforcement (Railroad and County) that a good rule of thumb is to stay a minimum of 50 feet from the center line of the right of way at all times. I've never been harassed or questioned when following that rule.
Being on same plane of the gate and down the track a little bit, instead of being by the road, isn't a good decision on this guy either.
I did not see the rails bouncing they do give a little they have to with the amount of weight going over them
there is no complete failure of the crossing. I don't see any rails flopping around, I see road panels moving, but not the rail. All rail goes up and down when a train crosses it, it has to flex to support the weight.
JSYK, the whole crossing has been replaced by CSX
I saw it flex about 2 inches, max. It never flexed 4 inches.
I live in a small Michigan town which has the major Chicago to Canada CN line. Here it's double tracked. On Main Street it has rubber modules on the crossing. These are very easily adjusted, and it can be completely rebuilt in just a few days. Strange how CSX doesn't do anything when it wouldn't take that long given the fact that they don't need to replace asphalt but just the module..
Wow Amazon now has containers too.
Yeah did you see where it says limit 3 stack high? Meanwhile on ships. 10-15 high
Couldn’t be a more 2021 scene: Amazon taking over everything, terrible infrastructure condition on a major freight railroad, same motive power everywhere.
You just noticed them now? I think they been around for awhile.
@@lostsomewhereinhere 53 foot containers are domestic use only. Which means they aren't sea going! They don't go on ships. Only containers that are sea cans are 20, 40, 45(?) and 48!
@@ecoRfan That's why I never buy from Amazon.
You're worried about those rails being loose then why are you standing close to it?
Viewed from the rail, the level crossing is in good condition. Seen from the street, however, there is an urgent need for action. I don't want to stand by when a car slashes its tires on the reinforcement bars.
Nice to see that SIEMENS is also installing level crossing protection in the USA.
At [12:00] it looks like the signal will be turned off? Is that normal in the states? Or could I just not see it properly?
Thank you for showing me.
if you didn't say the rail was moving i wouldn't even have seen it...........or noticed it...........the concrete pads are what need replacing......tracks like that are all over the country.
Okay yeah, that crossing needs new padding. I don't think those concrete sections should be buckling like that under a pickup's weight. That said the rail itself seems fine, even on the crossing. Looks like it could handle 40 mph or more if it wasn't for the fragmented concrete and exposed rebar. Any faster or even with an engine or railcar that starts hunting and it becomes another issue altogether
if the train did some strange way derail the crossing signal would NOT protect you. and rails have a flexibility to them to keep them from breaking, I not a rail expert, just common sense, with the massive weight on them it's ok to move up and down a little, it the gauge that needs to be exact. also that train is NOT under a slow order or they move really fast on that line.
I hope when the crash happens that nobody is hurt.
I lived in both Ulster and Dutchess counties. One of the things I hated about NY road construction and maintenance was how they could never do anything well, even when they redid it two or three times. The guys' attitude is, "I don't care. I'm getting paid to do this job again. I'll do it as many times as they want." They don't have the mindset of doing the job right the first time so you DON'T have to do it a second time. Here is an example of that stupid attitude.
County or state road maintenance is not responsible for the RR crossing panels. That job is the sole responsibility of the RR MOW department.
They arent doing any better in Michigan. It's a Democrat hellhole. The roads are terrible even after they try to fix them. Back roads are a washed-out disaster in most counties under Gov. Gretchen WHitler.
Construction must have gone to lowest bidder. Junky concrete. What’s with at rebar poking out everywhere? I guess as long as the flanges aren’t damaged, they’re gonna let ‘me go as is. Sheesh!
Seeing that Busted crossing platform. Thats asking for a Derailment! Not to mention it looked as thou that center slab of the crossing platform. Was/ has shiften into the " Flange way" of the track.
No its lifted up more
CSX just keeping their shareholders happy by "keeping costs down". Wonder if their is ever a cost comparison between ongoing preventative maintenance vs the cost of damaged or destroyed equipment, freight, injuries or death. Seems like PM is a lot less costly not to mention the right thing to do. Unfortunately history is littered with corporations and companies who cut corners to save money only to have the disaster that follows wipe all of that away and more.
If any of those things happen, liability insurance pays out. Increased premiums are always cheaper than PM.
Wood Newf A lot of railroads, especially the bigger ones like CSX, don’t carry insurance. They are self insured.
USA still in the 1800's and it is accepted. Even India would not find that acceptable, just because it always does that is no reason to allow it. USA infrastructure is falling apart. Just in time is used in manufacturing, not safety. Glad you guys are proud of this.
that close rail at 0:46 is touching the concrete. how in hell is a flange supposed to fit in that non gap. rail looks like it moved inwards
I just came here to see if my XPO box is on there.
That oil is hardly moving at 8:25 I have seen rail at grade crossings move up and down 2 inches due to soft rail bed!
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Greezzz!! that sidewalk, Railboard off is safe before that train passes through Cool sight it's need working on a little
New everything is Cool work Here we go go So what's going on Rail needs fixing up on derailments disasters
I am curious as to why the signals STOPPED working shortly After the gates went down, then come back on, then off then on again! By me, they stay Lit till the train passes and the gates are up.
I don't know why the bells stopped but the lights didn't. Those are the new LED lights and that was an interaction between the lights and the camera sensor. Welcome to the world of digital.
With intermodal trains going through there I guarantee a maintenance person would be Johnny on the spot with repairs. Nice catch though. Mile post ..123 no defects detected lol lol. Love hearing railfans catch that on there scanners
EOT not illuminated. Nothing wrong with the rail structure.
Can't any crews that repair road crossings make them smoother to drive a car across without losing your teeth implants, busting your vehicles tie-rods, snapping shocks, suspension bars, and shaking your kidneys into your bowels? In some of the train track /road crossings that I drove over, the newly rebuilt crossings were more hazardous than driving over the crappy ones in the first place. Somebody needs to send these repair crews back to repair school. Stoned and severely drunk workers can do a better job fixing these crossings than the crews they have now.
Ray Charles and Stevie Wonder, and The Three Stooges, could rebuild these train vehicle crossings so much better than the current repair crews out there.
Looks like the frost is still coming out of the ground. Seems like the ballast is still fairly wet.
If I was you and wanted it properly repaired, I'd be waiting until it gets a little bit better out.
If there's water visibly coming from the ballast, it's not time to do it yet.
I don't see any problem with the rail
There's a CSX transportation called lie on the crossing so you call them they know what's wrong and fix it maybe they going to shut down the road
Huh? The tracks are fine. It's the concrete pads beside the rails that's wasted. Obviously, CXS has prepared the new track segment. I would suggest that the New York State DOT is holding up the repair, not CSX. Observe and think a little before making ignorant comments.
Yes CSX has plans to rework the crossing. They have the panel built to put in. They cant just close down a crossing. The ties under the concrete are shot. You can see the mud spot on the edge of the crossing.
Nothing like ours in Hammond Indiana. Come see what missing and lose really looks like kid-o.
The cop is not demanding he saw something that he interpeted to be public safety issue. Have a question for railroaders by the way my father manufactured rail cars in 1920s there was a report that the keystone pipeline project would have transferred produced oil in Dakota's from rail to the pipeline .and a poor old Harvard graduate Warren Buffet got a real big headstart in buying that rail line..is that valid or partially valid..it's astounding to me as an American why of the post Reagan America with only 4 trillion national public debt not many Americans are the least bit curious why American billionaires and China's trade surplus has grown like wildfire in the last 3 decades..perhaps I'm age biased Buffet is one of the very tiny group of super wealthy in America of last 3 decades..guess lots of Americans don't like Free Enterprise economics that old build a better mousetrap and be rich..that hadn't happened since Pres.Reagan President of the United States all of it not just groups...The Almighty continues to protect America without Reagan followers. An Dios God Bless America
I am watching from Indonesian Country in Denpasar Bali
Thank you
How do you know there is a slow order issued for that crossing?
The rails leading up to the crossing need to be fixed. The crossing itself needs to be widened though. Otherwise, it's fine.
At the start concrete was broken, but when you took the look back after the train went through a piece of that concrete was broken off.
So there is rebar - so what. Most important is the deterioration of the concrete that you showed. The rails are dangerous. There is the real issue. ALL rails bounce up and down you would too if you have that much weight rolling over you. Unfortunately we can't really see it owing to lack of light under the cars. Why don't you send this to the NTSB? Have someone do something to remedy the situation. See it now - BAD!!!! That thing is a wreck waiting to happen. Nice work.
the ofc. knows nothing about trains obviously. the road grade crossing has nothing to do with the rails. All rails flex. He should walk miles of any line and you'll see that.
would advise you to stand on the up stream side of the loose rail section. If it was to derail [train] and you are down stream of derail spot, you might not have time to get clear!
ok. i'll give you that. the crossing needs to be redone.
Those lights on that crossing are pretty great too... If I was in charge of that area, I'd close the crossing and redo it all.... The gates, the road, and track...
Idk what you see w a rail going up and down and you said 4-6inches. How is it possible for you to see that? I have 20/20 vision and I don't even see it.
That rail is in sad shape. Don't know who owns it. If it is CSX,you should send this to them. UP has been replacing wood with locking concrete. The level grade is also in bad shape and needs to be replaced. However, this will close the road for a week.
Those stone concrete slabs are shoddy work
they didnt line up screw holes with middle of ties or crossing ties are rotten, best way is panel replacement fix , please dont trespass on railway property
I also see another undelying problem . It looks like a mud spot in the xing...Drainage issues cause very quick deterioration of the track structure.
Mid Hudson News had an article about a list of xings being replaced in the Kingston area
Reminds of Penn Central tracks everywhere in Indiana in the 1970s.
Cutting Safety eXpenditures
Penn Central was an all time American railroad low, wasn't it ? Derailments were at an all time high, and they regularly lost cars- had no idea where they were & had to locate them !! Maintenance was an afterthought....
@@craigfazekas3923 they shut down the entire American economy when they went bankrupt
Lol... that isn't nowhere near PC bad.
This level crossing is in a very bad shape. There is a bolt sticking out about 1 inch from the concrete path there. Some cars had very low edges, almost hitting that bolt. Have you sent this video to the responsible party? Something must be done here.
Spiking of rails do create loose rails, you better skrew them..
Ini terlihat sangat rapih
Tidak seperti di Indonesia,kiri dan kanan rail sangat tidak rapih
Looks pretty normal to me. LMAO
I would've also mentioned the state of the rails to him so he can tell the RR dept to come and do something about it
Now don't impede the huge flow of imported goods from China and USA oligarchs in the monopolistic freight transportation business. thank you for your service police officer ..
What state and city is this
at what point was he stopped by the sherrif i didnt see that
A Sheriff car comes across the tracks at 6:40. Then right before the train comes across the crossing, he is answering him.
I wish some crossings near me were that good.
You have to usually wait till the train goes by to see the actual problem
Those rails are inspected daily by the track inspector and if there was a problem they would do what is necessary to keep it safe.
FRA rules only require a monthly inspection, not a daily one.
Allen A On the UP they did them daily. Maybe on the lower max speed and less traveled RRs they do them less often. I will check on it as I will be talking with the FRA tomorrow.
The elephant in the living room is the deputy asking what you were doing. For a while, “rail-fanning” was an easy pastime. Not anymore. Too many in law enforcement see all of us “criminals without opportunity,” and treat us as such. The next time I do this, I may wear my hard hat, plus a reflective vest. Let ‘em ask; “What’s it look like I’m doing?”
Adding to that, I have noticed when local cops think it is important for their image to be seen doing something between coffie breaks.