André Leon Talley Gets Real About the Eviction Headlines & Pay Disparities at Vogue
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- Опубліковано 6 жов 2024
- The former creative director and editor-at-large of Vogue magazine, André Leon Talley, sits down with Tamron Hall for a candid conservation. André opens up about his controversial memoir, “The Chiffon Trenches,” and recent headlines that he’s on the brink of eviction. He also gives an update on his 30-year friendship with Vogue Editor-in-Chief, Anna Wintour, and diversity within the publication.
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Thank you Tamron for being so kind as to not tear this man down. The fashion industry is racist, I am not surprised they paid him less. But his so called friend didn't help him either.
No one owes you a high salary. You must recognize your skill and continuously strive to present it to people who demand it.
At some point, you can't blame Anna. Here he is still trying to be the woman's friend.
@@nolaclarke253 True, but say that to the riches people children who live in this society. Do you really think the Clintons, the Gates, and others children are really graduating from college and making $55K a year? If you think that's true, I have a bridge to sell you in New York.
@504 HollyGrove 17th ward You should feel sorry for him because he feels the need to kiss the face of the devil to maintain his relevance at age 70. Its sad. Feel sorry for him, but don't kick him in the gut. That was all I am saying.
He didn’t see a problem with until they were no longer friends. Man, have several seats!
Rest In Peace Andre. You were fashion! Your unapologetic style was extremely powerful and influential.
I feel like Andre got caught up in the drama of fashion and forgot that he's not only a Gay man at the top of his industry but that he is also a Black man who needs to stand up for himself and his self worth. It really saddens me...to see this but I wish him all the love. Legend 💘 Sir Andre
🦋🖤🖤🖤🙏🏿
He had a flair for fashion with an education in French Literature (not journalism and certainly not fashion) and he finessed his way into that circle. I'm betting the true reason he didn't anchor himself better is because deep down inside, he was simply proud to be there, and likely kicked over and stepped on real journalists/fashion credentialed persons.
100 agreed.
Yes, Michelle! Andre lost his way in fashion years ago and replaced his vision with ego, greed and fame. Andre's grandma is turning over in her grave knowing that Andre has become everything that she taught him NOT to be! ( I read the memoir).
Agree
I feel really bad for him. He has contributed a lot behind the scenes in the fashion world and unfortunately has never gotten the praise he deserved. Its heartbreaking to think that all your so called friends turn their backs on you once you are out of "Vogue". Such heartless people
That’s everywhere not just Vogue...wonder why they’re called “frenemies”.
I don’t feel bad for him. André knew who these people were and had no problem with who they were when he benefited. He didn’t cover his tracks...too busy enjoying the access versus truly building a real empire for himself. So many of our people will never be known or have their own stock in fashion and entertainment because of this. Happens more often than people realize.
Sounds like he was really hurt by Anna but these ruthless people could care less. Pretty sure he has probably mistreated others as well when he was riding high with Ana. It's that kind of world. Good luck to him.
@@laviki5190 Exactly! He's been just as selfish and obnoxious as vogue for YEARS!! I don't feel bad for him either...
@@laviki5190
I agree 100%
This man has been around for decades in an industry that did not embrace minorities. Hes a groundbreaker. He has that kind of personality, style, and energy that people like to be around.
Iman and Naomi Campbell did not do too bad.
@@Iworkwithnitwits hes a black man that made his presence in the fashion industry at that time unique. No hate!
"White" people are minorities too...watch your words
@@josephrocha142 Who is hating? Read Vogue since I was 12 or 13. I probably know more about the fashion industry than you.
@@Iworkwithnitwits no doubt you do. I was saying I was not hating. I'm glad this man warrants this discussion amongst strangers.
His story is very important, and people should know that
These two trolls are everywhere.
On so many levels
Beyond important 🤦🏾♀️
@Stone Cold you sound bitter and anti Christ ?
Exactly. He’s an icon.
For me, with my modest lifestyle in a smaller city, and now working from home with minimal wardrobe and transportation expenses, a decade of earning $300,000/year would set me up for life. For a Vogue editor living in Manhattan and having to keep up appearances -- not for vanity, but to be credible in his field -- it's not nearly enough. I'm sure he got lots of freebies along the way, but he needed to earn much more to assure his financial future. Always being an employee and not starting his own ventures also limited his earning power.
Well said..well said👏
This is what people in these comments keep ignoring. He should've been smarter than that, and used his common sense. Instead of buying all that expensive furniture and luxurious muu-muus, he should've been saving up for a down payment on a co-op or condo. Anna could've effortlessly helped him secure a permanent residence, and released him from being a renter. He had more access to homeownership than a regular person, but he was focused on the wrong things for the long-term.
900K a year sounds exaggerated specially for the 80's & 90's . .Fashion editors and editors in general don't make a lot of money. . .obviously he didn't know how much money the other editors were making otherwise he would've negotiated his salary.
DONT FORGET #Racism stunted his earnings as well....he forgot whitesupremacy knows no loyalty...
300k before taxes, 180 after taxes, probably around 90-100k per year for rent (no equity), leaves you with just enough to buy some expensive clothes for the parties you have to go to for work, nice groceries and that’s it.
PAY HIM! Andre Leon IS a living icon. He deserves SO much more respect and money than that which has been given. He has given the fashion industry & us fashion enthusiasts too much to be treated the way he has been treated.
what did he give
@@creating1_c1999 watch the doc and you'll get it...or do your research!!! seriously, the man has done far too much for me to explain to a person I've never met nor know thru a comment on youtube. not enough characters. but I can tell you this: you won't be disappointed and will most likely see what he did and then how he was treated...the how he was treated part will piss ya off.
@@ssatpath You're flat out wrong. You know nothing about Andre Talley true history at Vogue. It's you who haven't done your research. I have. Her question was specifically, "What did he give?" Nothing. Just ask Edward Enniful, Elaine Welteroth, and Chioma Nnadi how much influence Talley had on their careers and whether he actually reached back and helped young and coming black editors or fashion designers. Andre was for Andre. Black people got nothing out of Mr. Talley's rise. There are countless stories of his harsh treatment of black designers and refusing to feature black fashion designers in Vogue during his time as editor. In fact, in his books he admits that the criticism was justified, "Looking back, I could have done much more." In many ways, Andre Talley is a mirror image of Tamron Hall who years ago said, "whenever a black woman comes up to me and asks me how hard it must have been for me as a black woman, I turned them around and tell them I don't want to hear that. Everybody's had it hard." That's right before NBC fired her and replace here with white FOX personality Megyn Kelly. That's why it was disingenuous for Mrs. Hall or anyone to say anything about racism w/her firing since for so long she acted like racism didn't exist accept when the good white folk came for her. Same for Andre LEON Talley. They twins.
Andre Talley is a black man who derived a sense of privilege being the only black man in a white room and when that white room turned on him, chewed him up and spit him out, he was left with nothing, which explains why he died penniless while being evicted from a house he did not own. Fashion is façade and Mr. Tally had plenty of it. Black people must get out of the habit of being infatuated with symbolism over substance. I am done celebrating a few black people who managed to get chosen by a few white people. Andre Talley lived his life breaking his neck to be chose by white people and he forsake at lot black people while doing it. This is nothing to be celebrated. Such behavior is to be detested. Like all window dressing, racial mannequins can be removed at random. Such was the case of Andre LEON Talley.
@@DrAlexanderHamilton you better bring the receipts 😁
I'm shocked $300, 000? For all those years?!? HONEY you need to sue and get back pay! That's a damn shame
He’s saying about $300K per year. If he was doing the same job as someone else he would have a discrimination lawsuit. Not sure about the statues of limitations.
It's the American way. Comedian Monique has been silenced for the same thing. We are severely paid less. Many times not aware of it or grateful to have the opportunity. Hence why we have difficulty of creating a solid life. Always earning just enough. But karma will take care of it. God is watching. What you do to others you do to yourself.
Fr fr😮 Vogue & Anna Wintour should be ashamed that they would pay a man of Andre Leon Talley’s stature, presence & immense fashion knowledge that low salary in their industry. Ancestors say: Pay Up 💰!
Everybody says they feel sorry for him I don't if you allow people to pay you pennies under the dollar this is what will happen there's no friends in business and anything that you rent or lease you need a f****** contract
@@j.dillonthescene he didn't say he was paid pennies on the dollar. He was explaining the inequality in pay. Oftentimes, this inequality happens right under your nose and you don't know it's happening until later.
The fashion industry is a HUGE FACADE and the only reason I did not go into it fully after I got my degree at one of the most prestigious fashion schools.
Everybody acts like they are making money but everyone knows fashion does not pay.
Good for you!
You ain’t telling one lie! I worked at Neiman,Saks fifth, that was enough for me.
Facts!!!
This is very true
I don’t agree. There are many ways to make money in fashion but one must branch out on their own and don’t include many of the well known leeches inside the industry.
Loved that Tamron used her words wisely - his knowledge is priceless. Andre is a unique, national treasure. One of a kind. Someone should just give him a house. Free and clear and keep it moving.
that is what he is hoping....have you donated yet??
with as many high profile celebs and rich he came across, somebody could have given him a house outright clear or set him up in their mother-in-law suite that's located far away from the main home until he decided to move out. He should have sued Vogue on his way out for discrimination lawsuit & had better friends to advocate for him in regards to saying you need to own a home, etc. but he may have been too embarrassed to let others know he didn't have much money. I'd love to make $300k a year doing something I love but you better believe I'm looking for home ownership & connections to financial planners & business partners to flip that $300k & fame to $1.5 million minimum off of the back of my legendary status. Also, I would have given back to guide & groom at least 3 other blacks with me up the ladder.
Anna needed Andre. She was the face and he was treated like her intellectual and social crutch. He deserved so much more .There simply was no one like him.
@ T..., I SAID THE SAME THING!!!!!!!!!!
Building on the backs of blacks is nothing new. Unfortunately.
@@BeingDivineMasterclass , yeah, unfortunately it sad!!!!!
Being paid 3 times less than your peers is not cool at all. That being said, making 300K isn't a small amount of money either. This is why its so important to know what your peers are making and build assets in your prime working years that will carry you the rest of your life.
Agree however I do also think there are multiple sides to every story we don't know what actually happened behind closed doors Andre himself has always been very much anti black there is a video of him where he is being asked about the come up about Model Alek Wek and he was low key throwing shade my point is during his whole career he was never for black people fashion has been dragged for years for being racist where was he then? Only Iman Bethann Hardison and Naomi Campbell openly advocated for black models I never saw him anywhere seems like he was quite comfortable being the token black person in a room full of rich racist white people now that he lost his status he's complaining about the treatment miss me with this where was he in the nineties? I just have a hard time buying his story
He is a living legend
Respect that!
And a squatter, sadly.
No he's not.
Legend??
Unbelievable.
He died today
This is so heartbreaking!
He was used by Anna and he held so much inside of him for so long.
She used him and abused him but is walking around like nothing.
I hope he felt loved before he passed! He deserved so much more in life than what he got!
Andre your voice got through to me! Your pain got through! The loving being you were touched me and so many others! Bless you and rest in heaven!
Stop supporting Anna. She's silly and not that talented.
@@9395gbThat's right and that was why she hired Andre!!!!!
I don't care who you are there's no friends in business. If no one wants to pay you what you're worth you walk and find another opportunity. I can't stress that enough! If you rent or lease anything you need a contract. I don't care if you're renting a house from your mother. If she can't put it in a contract you walk and get something else end of story 😎
Spot on.
I think this Porgie do it's just an idiot
Absolutely!
Exactly...because if you dont have the receipts you need its not legal and you will even after being prolonged in the end you will lose...
Andre is a joke just like the clothing he got away with wearing while claiming to be a fashion journalist. He shuffle like a slave/director for Anna for years without a decent liveable salary. We all should ask why?
He "acts" as if he's intelligent. Yet, he nearly 73 years old without a pot to piss in. I think its karma for forsaking Black models just to have clout in Vogue.
Funny how people like Andre wants Black support but never supported Black people where it mattered the most.
The insult of it all, was that Andre, was only making 300k; when the other Editors were making 900k to 1Mil!! They surely owe him back pay!
Tamron, gave an excellent interview! From this experience, everyone should always have contracts for everything! 💯
Sadly he cared more about fame than the bag. A lot of black people focus on being famous and they lose track on how much they are getting compared to other people.
@@pearlhappyhour 💯
@@pearlhappyhour Now, that is the truth!
@@pearlhappyhour Do you know this as fact? He was immersed in a career that he loved. Don't think that just =because he had a bag that he chased it. He pursued his passions.
@@pearlhappyhour Being famous for being attached to those bigger names.
Tamron Hall is the freshest, most enjoyable interviewer and host. Her compassion, humor and “realness” is so refreshing and relatable. Plus, hair, make-up and fashion are perfection. Love Andre, too!
This is very sad. I am not shocked that he was used in an opportunity that is limited to people of color. Many people take opportunities and once on top, regardless of pay, look down on others in their highligh while being paid minimum what their Caucasian counterparts are making. I pray that he gets double for his double. God does restore those who are upright. Go high Andrè🙏🏾👠
Dear Lord bless this man with all his awards he should have had since.the beginning!!! I remember this man's work in magazines as a little girl. He deserves his due !!!
Me too! I have followed André Leon Talley for years and years and subscribed to Vogue because I loved the articles he wrote in Vogue. They were always so entertaining, knowledgeable and erudite. May God bless you Mr. Talley as He has done throughout your life. I am routing and praying for you.
True oh how true.
GOD HAS THE MOST BEAUTIFUL EXTRAORDINARY CROWN WAITING FOR HIM!!!!
As classy as Tamron Hall is...America, why aren't we asking to see more of her? OMG this woman is what we need in Daytime! And I am a W.W. fan but nowadays...Give me better programming. Tired of "stupid" shows and she has jokingly admitted it herself. Tamron Hall is fresh air!
@@lillies2011 Nah. You read false news. Tamron left mainstream media in an effort to show her great talent...which was thwarted by white men
@@lillies2011 That's ridiculous
You're absolutely correct, Wendy Williams definitely has a Stupid show & should be banned from All media! Perioid! Judge Mathis agrees too!
A class act, indeed.
@@nothereyetlost Where did you read or hear that? I'm curious to hear what your source for this information is.
It's obvious Leon lived by perks and favors in the fashion industry instead of making money which is his fault to accept it for so long. Racism existed but he should have advocated better for himself or separated from those holding him back financially and did his own thing at some point
Everyone loves a victim...he is having his moment
@@lisajarvie9650
So let him have it!
Sadly thats the industry. For instance ive known many models ( male & female) who are literally homeless when they come to a city for a fashion show. They are not paid in $€...the designers usually give them clothes...when these same models ask for payment they are bullied and then told to shut up and be grateful for scraps.
@@wellthatgotweird
Then it's their choices for a few minutes or many years of fame with perks but no real $$$ for longterm...I think, Naomi Campbell is another one of these models who is not as rich as her networth claims to be because she is doing a podcast on UA-cam and the only elite model doing that at her status...Why because she wants to or have to for money?
So I can definitely believe what you are saying
@@cassie101 she isn't 😂😂 none of them are. After paying for their min. $2,000 rent for a shared model apartment ... agency fees ( that's a whole different conversation) and upkeep of being a model...no they CANT save. So they just become a sugar baby ( which is common). But sometimes they catch a big fish: i.e Tina Kunakey & Vincent Cassel
When your “friends” remind you how they don’t value you or are your friend🤷🏽♀️
Because they were never really ur friend to begin with
@@gaylenightingale4605 That Part!
Yet, he is still trying to get an invite to his "friends" house. Make it make sense.
@@gaylenightingale4605 EXACTLY! 👍💯
When people remind you of who they are believe them.
Looking forward to the Chiffon Trenches movie.. His life is a story to tell indeed...I hope he will be allowed to remain at his sanctuary / home... The house documentation wasn't handled properly..A gentlemen agreement? The blurred lines between fashion and friends. Wishing him the best in all ENDEAVORS..👜👠👗 The Devil Wears Prada movie was Anna Wintour's true story..
This is what happens when you're too busy smelling roses and ignores the stench of the sh*t that's all around you. His ego made him focus on name recognition instead of getting paid for his worth. I'd rather be a janitor making $100K then to be a manager making $50K.
Couldn't have said it better.
👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽
FACTS! 👏
The fact that Andre is 72 years old and still doesn't understand racism, and his life is stagnant/eviction is disturbing.
Howdy yall I agree. BP are too caught up in symbolism snd name.
Hell hath no fury....... I am sorry that he had such a rude awakening but sometimes these things have to happen to bring us back down to Earth. I wish him well.
Period
So true 💯
That's why I never purchased any of vogue magazine
That's the way it mostly is... People who have a lot of knowledge lack wisdom. Wisdom is knowing how to apply your knowledge.
Thoughtful point, Beverly Boo.
I tell my son this all the time !!!! Thank You !!!!
I just finished watching the special about Andre on HBO and i think he thought that just being in the presence of many of famous fashioners that we was in was enough attention to the disparity among African Americans. But, just being a part of the crowd didn't make him equal with the crowd and we see that now through his revelation that he didn't have equal pay. Same ole story....and it is sad. Many of them wanted him around for the eloquence and knowledge of fashion that he had and the editorial descriptions he so brilliantly wrote which...guess what....put more money in their pockets. Did anyone think to commission him off the gains of their product from his glowing remarks. Probably NOT. It is a shame, disrespectful of this man's talent and quite disgusting. My prayers for his friends and family during this time of loss.
Well said! Thank you for this point of view. Under typical circumstances, his situation would (and should) have parlayed into great financial gains. And perhaps does for the non melanated. Granted these are all opinions without knowing all the particulars of the inner workings on someone else's business. But from an outsiders's perspective, Andre was done wrong. He hopefully saw the flowers we gave him before leaving. 💙
It seems strange to me that a person who made 300k a year during their career and not own their own home.
Yeah that’s really not a lot of money for his lifestyle and the people he ran with...
All about priorities and how one uses money. Hang ones hat where ones hands can reach. He has knowledge, contacts, deals that will give him his bags. Hopefully,, he'll invest wisely in the future. At the same time, folks should recieve equitable pay and if it ain't happening in one job or industry, it may be time to move on.
Most ny’ers choose not to buy.
That is relatively little in NYC, considering his stature in the industry.
How can one live in a house for 16 years and not know of they own it
The parent company for Vogue, Conde Nast, was famous for being a company that hired "trust fund babies," girls whose rich families could supplement their paltry salaries. Andre is not the only top editor who made little and was told they should be honored to work there (for compensation).
I pray that this stress does not affect his health. He is a gifted man who did A LOT for the magazine. His presence, and wonderful commentary will never be replicated. God bless him and I wish him the best.
I commented on this elsewhere. Vogue and other magazines paid very low salaries back in the day (and probably still do). He does not look in good health and I feel sorry for him. I assume he made a good deal on the book and perhaps will on the movie. He can live out his life in peace.
Right. It was a society magazine, with "contributors" from society women. Much like IG influencers of today.
Therein lies the truth.
I am praying for him, because God is able!!!!
There is NO God
@@Thinksthat... Hi There! There is a God who loves you, watches over you, has a purpose for you and died to have a special relationship with you. I pray that you will give Him a chance love ❤️ ❤️
It is a shame that at 72, he is going through this ordeal. At this stage, losing his home after 20 years. I wish him the best.
*Cmon Andre, we are rooting for you! You have All the talent, STILL!* 💯💫
The legal fees gonna cost him
I guess she was the inspiration behind the movie “Devil Wears Prada”.
I had the same thought
I was thinking the same thing. The real Miranda Priestley.
She definitely was. The original book writer said a few times!
😊 That's what I was thinking
Bingo!
Anna should be thankful for a true friend like him. A true friend is going to call you out on your BS. He is a legend and absolutely deserves to be treated as so. I wish him nothing but success 💜
"Legend"......in his own mind.
RIP: Andre Leon Tally...Look at this man...decades of access to power and success in the business and dies as if he had never lived. No descendants, no home, and barely a legacy - just a reputation and a closet full of XXXL clothes. All the things he wanted to do in return for what he gave to everyone else none of it happened. He neglected his health and his finances. But I mean he's in his seventies and a lot of people are not making it that long especially men
I wonder if it wasn't an ailment that took him out if it was a broken heart from living his final years in such a way as if he was down in the poor house again.
Oo I can definitely see that taking a person out.
@@marlak4203 Where were all these fabulous Cauciasasin wealthy friends of his in his final days? Nowhere to be found. His last interview was sad.
@@faithlives5643
Ok how do you know none of the white people he knew were there by his side? Do you know who was there at the hospital with him?
It's sad reslly, yet I think what people forget or do not realize that this is a man that was living in survival mode full time... In his book he talks about being sexually abused as 9y/o boy by multiple men... His trajectory was distorted from the jump. Fashion became his safe place and I think he forgot that HE actually mattered... It's heartbreaking...the more I learn of him the sadder I get...
@@peacheskong2245 Look for more books to come out about him. From people who have dealt with him so that is going to be very interesting.
I’m sorry off topic but Tamron Hall is simply stunning. RIP to the regal and influential Legend of Fashion Andre Leon Talley and He was a God fearing Man. Rest in Paradise Andre’ ✨🙏🏽✨
It should be played by three different people ending with Forest Whitaker in a 90’s independent style. Burn all the bridges Andre!!! Tell it all. Expose the Bourgeoisie!
Forest is not about to play him unless the price is right but even then I don't think he wants to be Feminine 😆
@@toughflowers5088 You're so narrow-minded! Andre Leon Talley is not feminine. He is flamboyant.
Forrest Whittaker is an Academy-award winning actor who would play Mr Talley with both the verve and grace required to do so well.
He is the borg
@@toughflowers5088 he would play it for the right price. Most stars would
@@toughflowers5088 I don't know about that. He played in a movie (The Crying Game) where his love interest was a transgender woman.
first 0f all! Don't think ur BOSS is your friend! I don't care how many bday parties you guys shared together! she was still your boss! & call her on her bullshit while ur in it! don't wait till y'all ain't cool No more.
And yet he didn't take his talent to Ebony, Essence, Jet and help rebrand the fashion department of their magazines. Those black publications would've loved and needed his expertise and influence.
@@bohwe43 true dat!
@@bohwe43 Exactly I just commented something similar. He allowed himself to be used by a WP but would he do the same for BP? Probably not, and I’m not saying he should be used. My point is he was okay with it as long as they were white and the relationship was cool. He always came across very snooty to me.
Exactly and now that he's in the midst of this eviction now he wants to be back in good graces with Anna smh ...he worshiped that woman and the magazine he never spoke of any black designers nor try to bring diversity to the magazine smh
Absolutely, and still waiting to be invited to her home in Bellport. Come on Andre, they used you. However, I hope you keep your home.
PRAYERS FOR HIM!!!
He needs to concentrate on getting his finances in order vs going to the Met Gala or Anna Wintour's house.
Precisely 💯🤷🏾♂️😭
True talk they probably setting up a trap for him
Facts!!! He is too old to be begging for invitations to some stale house.
@@raindrops1942 Not begging for invites 🤣🤣
Old habits are hard to break.
I'm shocked that A.L.T. was only paid $300,000 (compared to colleagues who made $900,000) a year! He is an icon and such a major contributor to Vogue and the fashion world in general. This just isn't right.
I’d love to see confirmation of that $900,000 number. I know that all magazines (and newspapers) paid notoriously low salaries (in comparison to other industries) during the heyday of ALT. Would like to know how much Grace Coddington was paid, for example.
Don't be so gullible. His figures are absurd, 351528.
@@maureenshea4268 exactly...Andre is just pulling numbers from nowhere to support his story but it fails to support credibility and is absurd at best.
@@johntucker9326 Are they? Are you in the fashion industry and can deny this with documented facts???
@@dpcisunbreakable "documented facts". Thanks for the laugh.
Suffice it to say that l have had first hand visibility to compensations of all kinds throughout that industry and absolutely know when something has the scent of being far from the norm...or absurd. The only higher earners in the dwindling and more and more irrelevant world of fashion publishing (other than the publication owners) are the editors in chief, many of whom are currently making huge overhead cost cuts in a desperate effort to keep publishing and hold on to their lofty but now wobbly jobs.
None of what l have said on the subject is to disparage the worth, talent, or value of many of those in this arena, but not at the top, who invest themselves fully for very meager financial reward - and ever increasing limitations for advancement. But too many get caught up in the "image" and live a life with illusions of grandeur and status when image does not come close to paying the bills.
Andre should also apologize. Wasn't that him standing right beside Anna for white Vogue issue after white Vogue issue? Didn't he trade being the voice of inclusion for red carpet access until his chips were down?
Very true 👌
If you spend more money than you make, you will always be in debt, broke, followed by bankruptcy, eviction. That applies to everyone.
And back in the day $300,000 could have bought a building in New York State and he could have had rental income now in his golden years. Not a SMART man..
He definitely was underpaid, however, the money he made if invested correctly he would've been a millionaire. He had the gift of gab & talent to swan all these people in the fashion industry...why is he getting evicted?!? Sad
@@raycurry4168 he was very intelligent but not financially responsible. He was a Libra, I am too. Libra's always have money problems. We like to spend on extravagant at that moment
Renting to own for 16 years!!!
Right! Why not just purchase the house?🤦🏽♀️
I have friends from for decades and for whatever reason we have fallen out recently. It is an excruciating endeavor. To lose the level of friendships that 40 years brings is devastating to your senior Life, but Life goes on with or without Friends or foe.
Sorry you had to experience that...I pray that you have better replacements with individuals who can help you navigate this road of life in your later years.
He may be a ‘living legend’ to some, but he continues to live his life completely associated with Anna Wintour. Never not mentions. He should’ve done more to allow his life to flourish much more than he allowed.
His passing seems much more tragic after viewing this interview. I was unaware of the housing and pay issues Tamara exposed in this thorough and respectful interview.
The tragedies that befall those talents who remain in love with their people is truly a savage and ungodly thing to behold.
Rest in power, our beloved Mr. Talley.🖤🤎🖤
Facts💯💯💯
He hasn’t learned. He still wants to be in despite his current circu
Because he's flaky.
I agree.
I think he was quite balanced in his book
Its because he’s black that hes being dragged. Very sad, this is proof that things are changing but not fast enough! Periodt!!!
I HATE when someone puts up with issues at the workplace but doesn't speak about until AFTER they are ousted or leave.
Exactly this. I respect Andre's place in fashion but I feel like he was content for decades at Vogue with things the way they were - until Anna iced him out. Whenever I watch his interviews now, I wish he would self-reflect.
@@hellobecky84 Yes, he was content and complicit. I couldn't find the words.
Black people, I m Black will be fired. And not only do We get fired for telling the truth. And they can say that , We stole something from their office.
Their lives can be made miserable while at work and they can make it hard to secure employment after leaving. I spoke out about my racist, toxic workplace after I left...after I secured a job.
@@jills911 I m retired, I always had my own successful Consulting Company for 22 yrs. I worked for an excellent Large Movie Studio in Hollywood, CA. They never suspected I had my own Company. They thought that it was my Brothers Company. Wrong, it was mine.
She was so kind and he was so graceful. Oprah would have found a way to make him cry about this.
That's not true. If certain questions about his life experience trigger tears just by her questions, then so be it. That's not her fault.
Damien Carter where have you been? Oprah has been exposed by countless people.
Tamron was in the documentary about Andre's life..they have been personal friends for years__ yes she is a sweetheart! Oprah thinks she knows it sll, and Gayle has taken on that attitude as of late...the way she spoke about Kobe in an interview.
@@bjwilliams why are you still carrying around that that resentment about that Kobe interview. Goodness people need to move on from that. SMH.
@@cocoapuffs3893 I didn't suggest that she wouldn't ask the questions that would hit hard, she's a journalist!
The devil really does wear Prada! He was such a big name, big deal, then he vanished. I wish he was more cautious back then. You can enjoy a career, but make sure you're house is stacked correctly!
When people get kicked out of circles then they may make statements, but while the getting is good people are 👌.. Not saying himself ,but the world in general!!!!!
It applies to him too
He was running in those circles and didn't do a darn thing to help his people… So what if he ends up on the street
@@mjerome1457 Bruh all of us make mistakes, including you. And think about it: I don't know your age, but what if Andre were swapped out for someone like your grandfather. Would you keep that same energy????
André Leon Talley, like all of us do whether we like it or not, wrote another book just by the way he choose to live his life. I’m surprised to learn that his life story will be A CAUTIONARY TALE. 😔
He gonna stop playin in our faces with that accent😂
What accent? He just speaks properly. A lot of older black people from the south including my grandparents spoke like this.
@@Jouetsenjeu He is given me British/ French vibes!
And he is from DURHAM NORTH CAROLINA lol
@@Epinaj Exactly...Fake for the white folks !
@@Jouetsenjeu I dint hear much of an accent?
I can see EJ Johnson taken on the role of Andre.
No, No, No, & NO!!!☹☹☹☹
72 years old? He looks amazing!!! Beautiful man!!! Love and admire him dearly
Regardless of his weaknesses, he is still a remarkable and memorable human being who deserves respect. Those denegrating him on other u tube videos, shame on you.
Andre Talley is a legend. However Mr. Talley sat in a seat of power and influence during his tenure at Vogue. Yet Andre never lifted a finger to bring diversity into Vogue. Anna Wintour sits at the helm of Vogue but if Talley really wanted diversity at Vogue during his tenure there, it would have happened. Talley wants to play the victim regarding his wages at Vogue. I honestly find it hard to believe Talley was not made aware of this more recently than he claims. In terms of his home, Talley is wasting legal fees because NY State does not honor a "gentleman's agreement"as a legal binding contract. Talley could better use his finances on moving to his native home in the south and enjoy his retirement and receive all the accolades he does deserve for his influence and impact in the fashion world.
I Agree💯
@JUDGEMENT DAY Yes I thought this was a very well written, thoughtful comment. Oh wait - you’re being sarcastic (and rude)
Oh you think he didn’t try, all the fucking time!!!
I disagree. It’s not easy being at the top. Unless you have been to the tippy top like him, you just don’t know. Period. You can’t jump in and start flooding the place with brown people. That’s not how it works. Read his book before speaking criticism. This man is VERY woke and he did advocate for brown models in his own, unique way. We can’t all stand with a billboard and shout it from the mountainTops. It takes time and careful planning in these predominately white spaces.
@Kevin Harris
1. Pointing out pay inequity isn't "playing the victim:" it's pointing out a vice--one that widely affects people of color and women in most professions.
2. You say you doubt that Mr. Talley was not "made aware" of wage disparities earlier. Made aware by whom--and why? Do you know the salaries of all your co-workers? If brave, investigate it--and see how race and gender play a role.
3. Talley had influence over pompous, pretentious Wintour, but no power. His word went only as far as it helped $ell Vogue mags. He pushed to get Beyonce and Rihanna on covers, but not Black women of a more African aesthetic; Wintour was stuck on white and he on white-ish because that's what the monied feel comfortable seeing.
3. IF the people he trusted about the home were worth trusting, he wouldn't need the courts. Honorable people keep their word without courts. He thought the lessons he learned in the South as a boy did not apply up north; they do.
In my opinion, Andre was a glorified pet, a token to those people, and he knew it. As a Black person, you don't usually reach certain levels/circles in the fashion industry (or ANY industry) because of your talent or influence: you're allowed in because you're a novelty and "fun", even when you have the credentials to stand on your own. But he made a choice to go along with the charade all these decades, because of the access it gave him to fashion.
Deep down, he knew that without their fake-ass friendships and alliances, the privileges available to him would be cut off. Without the benevolence of Anna, he didn't have a leg to stand on in the fashion world. He sacrificed his pride and integrity to be Vogue's adored pet, until he wasn't anymore. He was the first Black creative director at American Vogue, although it is highly doubtful he would've ever been considered to replace Anna. He had a good run, but what a high price he paid.
This is a shame. he was basically putting on a front for all those years. All the knowledge he had why didnt he try to work with black designers instead? He wanted to be all up in those white spaces and he didnt really care that they treated him less than. Now decades later he has nothing to show for all his work and who can he really blame but himself???
I totally agree with you 100%… He wasted all that time licking white peoples boots… If they roll them out onto the street I wouldn't give them a dollar… Where was he when black men and women models were coming up and they needed his help…now they are tossing him aside like the morning trash… He gets what he deserves
You don't know what you are talking about. Just making statements without facts or real knowledge. He opened doors for Black designers ( Lafayette 144, Toulouse Brendan, Willie and Toukie Smith to name a few). You clearly don't understand the difference between "putting on a front" and surviving. Many trailblazer have put up with sh#t to make it better for those that come behind him. He helped and supported Black models early in the game (Tyra, Naomi, Beverly, Wannakee, Also and more) Fashion Commentators Bev Smith benefited from his presence in the industry. Twenty years ago she wouldn't have been able to mop the floors at The Met much less get an invite to the galas. Finally I was able to get a job as a dresser during Fashion Week because of Mr. Talley. I was a temp at Vogue. He saw something in me and made a recommendation. He didn't have to. He could have treated me like I was invisible the way everyone else did. The job at Fashion Week led to others. A dresser is the one that dresses the models during the show. When they get to the runway they better have everything on and styled according to the picture or you don't work again. I did well and tried to create the same opportunity given to me for others. Mr. Talley broke into this business as a Black Gay man with tremendous talent when most in the industry didn't want him to shine their shoes. He was constantly being undermined and misunderstood. He has NEVER been fully respected and appreciated for the crap he was subjected to. Shame on you for marginalizing his contributions and what he went through by making such ignorant statements. Many Black folks in the fashion industry, straight and gay, models, dressers, photographers, tailors, and seamstress owe him a debt of gratitude we can never repay. Hopefully his movie will help educate the cynical and clueless. Thank you ALT --for who you are and the mentor you have been to so many!
@@onewoman4274 THANKS 4 SPEAKING UP N EDUCATING US ON WHO ANDRE' LEON TALLEY WAS N IS ♥️ IT'S AMAZING YET SAD HOW PPL OF COLOR HAVE 2 GO THE XTRA MILE 2 GET WHAT'S RIGHTFULLY DUE 2 THEM...I'M GLAD GOD IS THE MAN WITH THE REAL PLAN...WHAT THE DEVIL MEANT 4 ANDRE'S BAD GOD WILL TURN AROUND 4 HIS GOOD!!! GBU!!!🙏🏽♥️
@@onewoman4274 Thank you so much! The horrible things being said about Andre Leon Talley in this comment section are truly deplorable. Some of the people talking don't even have all the facts.
I totally agree with you....he had decades to stand up for himself and for other black people
He stayed too long at the fair.
Isabella Blow is another example, they didn't see to their long-term interests.
Fashion isn't about beauty, it's about business.
Although I'm glad that this legend gets to speak his truth, I will always go back to saying this is what happens when you want success so much that you become the "white people's black person". They tend to turn a blind eye to a lot of racism in the hopes of being the "darling black person" that racists will adore and make money in the process. I hope this is a wake up call to all black people that your blackness will always result in you being viewed as less than, no matter the adorations you maybe getting at that time, you have to at some point start checking yourself when you see them fake love you. You are probably being used as a token because you are "safe black". I just hope we start to realise that a united front with other black people in these spaces will actually strengthen your power because we all know black people especially in America sets the tone to what culture is. They need us more than we need them🤷🏿♀️
This is the comment I came for. Andre made horrible business decisions, and got caught up in the hype.
EXACTLY!!
TAMRON THANKS 4 SHARING THIS STORY WITH US...PRAYERS GOING UP 4 ANDRE' LEON TALLEY IN THIS EVICTION N RACISM SITUATION...MAY HE FIND FAVOR N CONT 2 B BLESSED IN EVERY AREA OF HIS LIFE!!!🙏🏽♥️
I hope he has great outcomes in all of this. And yes he is a living legend.✨✨
I pray that you will be able to prevail in this matter with your home. Shame on these individuals, so called friends/aquaintances to turn on you after so many years. I pray & hope they will do the righr thing. But just know Leon Talley you are fabulous & God will provide a positive outcome no matter how this turns out.
I understood you gain wisdom with age? The wise approach would be to use the $ he is spending on lawyers to secure a home within his budget. He doesn't own the property and surely peace of mind & some security is paramount right now? Somebody please educate me if I'm wrong in my thinking 🙏🏾
You're right makes me think he doesn't have much or really wants a home that's not truly his
You are spot on. At the end of the day it's not his property.
Usually if a lawyer feels like you have a good case all you’re paying is a deposit and they get money from the settlement. Speaking from experience. I sued my employer twice. So if he’s paying out of pocket now that may not be good.
You are absolutely correct. Renting vs deed are two different things but both require a signed contract.
@@tabithabryan Did not this poor man seek an attorney years ago before this got out of hand 😢
Let's keep it real, Andre did not save his money wisely.
Lmao....riiighhtt!
I Agree
He did not save money but also he was underpaid so both parties are wrong. It's a shame that they paid his white colleagues $900,000 and paid him 300,000. He needs to sue Vogue.
@@katjam01kr love how they tried to discredit that part
@@katjam01kr
Those other people were editors and people like Grace Coddington....who did layouts. All Andre did was twirl around and shop for custom Mumus...eat! 🤷🏾♂️
He’s been in this business forever.
But he’s a grown man and should’ve had his own of everything.
I pray that everything works out for him he deserves better than this . Andre I am praying everything good to come your way and more
I love this guy. He is a legend and I appreciate his knowledge and stories!
He is well known by stylists as being rude, condescending, and a bully. He accepted the contracts he should have been paid more, he should have negotiated better.
i read the NY Times article about his home and all I could say was "This man is long on fashion but very short on brains!" The Court system WILL toss his claim right out the window, as there was NO WRITTEN contract to back up an alleged verbal agreement. How can anyone who made upwards of $300,000 per year have to claim bankruptcy twice and depend on friends to see him through his life with gifts of money???? Now, he's old and obese (walks with a cane) and no money or friends to speak about. (yes, I read his memoir, also....not a happy tale).
I don't even feel badly for him there are multiple sides to every story then there is the truth Andre from my observation has been pretty silent on the racism and discrimination in the fashion world I saw Iman Bethann Hardison and Naomi Campbell work tirelessly to campaign and advocate for black models in fashion while Andre was nowhere to be seen now that he's been pushed out of the elite circle and didn't properly save or invest all the money he received he's complaining about how racist the industry is? Where was he a few decades ago? Miss me with this
How could you rent out your home for decades and not see it upon yourself to do right by this man and set him up better? The renter knew this man didn't know nothing about being smart with business/money. I understand self-responsibility but damn. Where does ethics come into consideration? I do agree with you on the subject of claiming bankruptcy twice and depending on friends as if they owe you; however, for all we know friends like Ana probably did owe him. This wouldn't be the first time white people capitalized off of the talent of blacks. At the very least, offer advice.
I am not surprised. It is so sad to hear about his issues with his home. I wish there were people around him that were able to help him with his finances and stressed the importance of taking care of himself financially and prepare for old age.
*I LOVE ANDRE LEON TALLEY AND SUPER PROUD OF HIS ACCOMPLISHMENTS!* #NORTHCAROLINASTANDUP
The segments are just too short and the conversations feel rushed. Every show doesn’t need to be packed with different guest. Some people need a full hour.
Where were all his rich famous “friends” when he needed their wealth to bail him out??!-So sad and such a shame!God Bless you in heaven Leon!
But he says all this only after he's been ejected by Miss Wintour and the other fashion elites. Sorry, I'm not impressed. You put up with it, luxuriated in it as long as you benefitted from it. Wintour needed a pet, a mascot, and you were more than willing. So, basically shut up.
Agreed. For years he “read” people and amused her and them. If we aren’t the clowns then we often have a shelf life with that circle. He should’ve known that she would get tired of him as she tires of most things and dismisses them. I do have some sympathy for him though
“Almost” $300,000 annually vs $900,000. That’s a BIG difference. I am beyond shocked. Four decades of working in a high position at “American Vogue” beside Anna Wintour. Like he said being black is harder. Always proving yourself and working harder than anyone else.
Hard to believe he only made $300K with the way he dressed. Always dressed to the Nines in the very best outfits made with the very best fabric. And his personality doesn't match with someone who allows themselves to be underpaid. Can't help but wonder if he's fibbing a little.
THANK you Tamron for this awesome interview of MR.ANDRE he kept it REAL sincere and honest GOD BLESS him Rip Sir 🙏🏾🙏🏾🙏🏾
I'm glad that he exposed the industry. We are still a minority in the industry.I hate his living situation. He's a pioneer in Fashion. I've always admired him. He deserves to make millions. He definitely earned and paved his way in fashion for decades as a black man. No other black person has accomplished that.I remember seeing him on the CNN fashion programs starting the 1980s when I was a teenager with my mother.
I hope he finds the courage to get the health care he needs. He has some serious health issues and he could not walk a few feet several years ago without being heavily winded and out of breath.
some people prefer to let nature takes it course. Hospitals are cold\ugly places. We need to reimagine healthcare
He died today
Does he have a tumor? Remembering seeing him always in those HUGE caftans it was like he was trying to cover up his oddly bulging body. He was always sitting down I had forgotten I have seen this man walking around before. I think he had an ailment he was hiding.
@@thetarotdetective3363 Heart attack apparently.
@@marlak4203 He suffered from morbid obesity that resulted in other ailments (high blood pressure, etc.)
ALT talking about French awards, Mahalia but he didn't secure his future by owning a house. $300K per year + all the gifts editors got is a lot.
Exactly there’s really no excuse. He may have been under paid but $300K is still a hefty salary. He could have found something affordable.
@@marriejames01 Absolutely. Two of my friends just closed on 2 cribs. I don't believe he could not have purchased a house in Atlanta for example because the market is hot but it is not as expensive as New York. I can't contribute to a man who was earning $300K a year + gifts. He could sell those gifts.
I agree and that's the point ppl are forgetting he might have been below means in the fashion industry sense regarding his salary but he definitely could've made better choices in handling his finances and thats the part ppl are over looking
@@letrice2892 I agree with you.
Hell, my daughter bought a fixer upper at 22 years of age for 200.00.00, it is now, after 9 years and it's worth over $500.000.00, she was making only 60,000.00, so if she could have done it so could he. This is a warning GET YOUR OWN. Anna Wintour, is who she is will never change
A living example of pressing, pushing, moving forward, and bring change. 🌞
Makes me sick. Living in the land of our oppressors. It broke my heart when I seen the joy in his face discussing spending a weekend at her home. She hadn’t even had him to her home… I’m so sick of this. Vogue is dead to me. He was an icon. My heart is broken to know he lived his last days not even knowing it. Shame on Anna. Shame on Vogue. What’s done in the Dark will come to Light. Best believe, he was a pure soul.
"I'll put it on my tomb stone in French" WOW may the legend rest in power
I have so much respect for this Man
God bless you, Andre. Rest in peace and may your legacy reign forever.
It's no shade, Andre looks good with the beard and mustache. I feel sorry for him. I hope he isn't evicted from his home. He doesn't deserve that.
He didn’t manage his money right. He got caught up in the glamour and celebrity and didn’t deal with reality
Doesn’t deserve? Why do people say that now?
If the owners want to sell their home and evict their renter, it’s their right to do so. He’s NOT the owner of the property.
**NO ONE can evict me from my home that I own in my name. Why are people acting like they don’t understand?**
I genuinely hope this movie is made. The photo Tamron posted of her son Moses on his lap was adorable. I know he is going to be a diva in his after life too :)
Dude should have used his money to buy a home instead of buying all those oversized coats.
☝🏽 Although in his defense, those coats are huge enough to live in.
Just finished reading his book, which was impossible to put down. He does not engage in vicious talk about AW. He simply tells the truth about her behavior, and her relationship with him. He never discussed in the book his salary, but hearing him say he was making over $300K per year, that is a substantial salary, even today, and I question whether he was a good steward of that money, give his former legal squabbles. Rest in Peace.
Gardis - I agree, he did not engage in vicious talk, just facts that other people have said about her.
Through his dignity and tireless pursuit of excellence through knowledge and honoring his proud connection to his roots, he rose above all challenge and inequity to elevate and inspire. His celebration of beauty and refinement is a wonderful example of how to to carry on come what may. He was a brilliant light of quality and elegant compassion throughout his life, and a spectacular human being.
Rest In Love💙💛💚💜🙏🏾🙏🏾🙏🏾
I loved Andre Leon Talley... he will be missed! Tamron thank you for a wonderful interview!!! Rest In Peace, the great Andre Leon Talley!!!
What an Icon! Rest in Paradise Mr. Leon 🕊.
Monsieur Andre is the best and his book is a insightful and entertaining read. I hope the best for him.
Bravo and Well done Mr A.L.Talley for your Great Contribution and Achievement to promote Fine-Arts, Fashion and Haute-Couture !