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- Опубліковано 18 сер 2024
- RUWEISAT RIDGE (FIRST BATTLE OF EL ALAMEIN)
**From the 2002 Movie "El Alamein - La Linea del Fuoco" **
"On 14 July, the New Zealand 2nd Infantry attacked two under-strength Italian divisions (the Brescia and Pavia) on western Ruweisat Ridge, but without tanks they could not remove the Italians, and were eventually driven back by the arriving 15th Panzer Division. At Deir un Khawaber, New Zealand infantry supported by Bren Gun Carriers penetrated the 8th Bersaglieri Regiment's defenses before being driven off by Italian tanks. On 21 July, Italian infantry still occupied the western spur of Ruweisat Ridge. Two Allied infantry divisions, supported by a British armored division attempted to push them off, but counter-attacking Italian infantry and tanks sent New Zealand troops back to their own lines. A second attack the next day was aborted by Italian artillery fire-but an Italian counterattack was similarly dispersed by New Zealand artillery. British tanks supported the New Zealanders, but withdrew after losing several tanks to Italian fire. By nightfall of 22 July, the New Zealand infantry broke contact with the Italians, and left them in possession of the western spur of Ruweisat Ridge." (Regio Esercito: The Italian Royal Army in Mussolini's Wars, 1935-1943, Patrick Cloutier, pp. 85-86, Lulu Press, 2013)
"While the attacking brigades had been able to cut large gaps through the defences held y the Italian infantry, they had not been able to subdue all the resistance. Not surprisingly, most of the smaller outposts and defended localities had fallen easily but some of the larger posts had been bypassed during the night. The outposts which remained contained substantial number of anti-tank guns, machine guns and infantry. When daylight came, these posts were able to cover the area south of the ridge by fire and shot up any trucks foolhardy enough to drive forward." (Pendulum Of War: Three Battles at El Alamein, Niall Barr, p. 131, Random House, 2010)
"On the right, Indian 5th Division (XXX Corps) attacked Point 64 on the centre of the feature, the New Zealand Division (XIII Corps) was on the left attacking Point 63 at the western end of the ridge and the 1st Armoured Division gave support along the line of the inter-corps boundary. The night attack was preceded by Albacore aircraft dropping flares and fighter-bombers strafing the enemy lines. At first both divisions made good progress as they fought their way through the Italian Brescia and Pavia Divisions who were holding the ridge. The advance slowed down when they met extensive minefields and there was some loss of cohesion when the New Zealanders were attacked by tanks from 8th Panzer Regiment of 15th Panzer Division and lost 350 prisoners." (El Alamein 1942: The Turning of the Tide, Ken Ford, p. 42, Osprey Publishing, 2005)
Radio Rome:
“The fighting which assumed particular tenacity has ended in favour of the Axis. The enemy has been everywhere repelled with counter-attacks and has sustained grave losses in men and materiel. Eight hundred prisoners, mainly New Zealanders, and Indians have fallen into our hands and 130 tanks were destroyed on the field. During that action the German Afrika Korps and the Italian Brescia and Trieste divisions particularly distinguished themselves.” (web.archive.or... Many Of These Men Resisted To The Last Bullet)
"A mixed German-Italian combat team held on and proved that not all Italians had lost the will to fight. Many of these men resisted to the last bullet. Their heroic stand gave Rommel time to concentrate his Afrika Korps against the 23rd Armoured Brigade." (Rommel's Desert War: The Life and Death of the Afrika Korps, Samuel W. Mitcham, p. 122, Stackpole Books, 2007)
Field Marshal Erwin Rommel:
“The Italians were willing, unselfish and good comrades in the front line. There can be no disputing that the achievement of all the Italian units, especially the motorized elements, far outstripped any action of the Italian Army for 100 years. Many Italian generals and officers earned our respect as men as well as soldiers.” (web.archive.or... Many Of These Men Resisted To The Last Bullet)
Mi commuove pensare e vedere quello che hanno dovuto affrontare i nostri ragazzi, combattendo pur non avendo niente ma con grande onore e valore, uomini forti di un Italia che non esiste più, persone umili che combattevano fino alla fine dimostrando al mondo di che pasta era fatta il soldato italiano
In memoria di mio nonno sergente maggiore del aeronautica catturato in Africa settentrionale in memoria di tutti i caduti italiani che riposano nel sacrario di quota 33 ad El alamein
Rommel liked the Italian soldiers but not the Italian system or equipment. This is what Rommel said about Italian soldiers he fought with:
"The duties of comradeship, for me particularly as their Commander-in-Chief, compel me to state unequivocally that the defeats which the Italian formations suffered at El Alamein in early July were
not the fault of the Italian soldier. The Italian was willing, unselfish and a good comrade, and, considering the conditions under which he served, had always given far better than the average. There is no doubt that the achievement of every Italian unit, especially of the motorised forces, far surpassed anything that the Italian Army had done for a hundred years. Many Italian generals and officers won our admiration both as men and soldiers.
The cause of the Italian defeat had its roots in the whole Italian military and state system, in their poor armament and in the general lack of interest in the war shown by many of the leading Italians, both
officers and statesmen. ...
In general terms, the defects which existed in the Italian armed forces arose from the following causes: The Italian command was, for the most part, not equal to the task of carrying on war in the desert, where the requirement was lightning decision followed by immediate action. The training of the Italian
infantryman fell far short of the standard required by modern warfare.
His equipment was so utterly bad, that for that reason alone, he was unable to stand his ground without German help. Perhaps the best example of the inferior quality of the Italian armament-apart from the
grave technical defects of their tanks, with their short-range guns and under-powered engines-was to be found in the artillery, with its low mobility and short range. Their supply of anti-tank weapons was totally
inadequate. Rations were so bad that the Italian soldier frequently had to ask his German comrade for food. Particularly harmful was the all- pervading differentiation between officer and man. While the men had to make shift without field-kitchens, the officers, or many of them, refused adamantly to forgo their several course meals. Many officers, again, considered it unnecessary to put in an appearance during battle and thus set the men an example.
I think what you wrote is true because it is the same now. Congratulations on the beautiful post. Greetings
As Italian I can tell you that nothing changed since then. We are still great workers led by a bunch of assholes
@@papmatta5902 it's a familiar story. Many of us around the world know it well. Same film, just different actors.
In perenne memoria dei nostri nonni ♥️
secondo me questo film è bellissimo.... non ha nulla da invidiare a film di guerra Americani....
anzi... senza nessun effetto speciale o azioni eroiche finte lo ritengo il film italiano migliore di sempre
I am Italian .... and I am proud of what our army has done in Africa ...... it has endured for more than two months in these conditions which the film documents very well ...... surely if the English gentlemen had been in our logistical situation we would have won ........ I don't say much ..... but already if they hadn't had the tanks ..... our soldiers would have slaughtered them all one by one
You do realize they were fighting for the most evil regime in human history right? 80M people died in that war of genocide and aggression.
@@montycasper4300 if you had not understood it, the Italian soldiers except for some regiments did not really believe in the figure of the Duce .... we Italians were not ready for this war and above all we had no reason to fight. we were practically forced to go to war otherwise Germany would have invaded us in a few months. we Italian people did not want war, we were practically forced to wage it. mine was just an eulogy to the Italian army ... which did not firmly believe in this war and yet managed to resist for months on this front ... without escorts ... against a much better equipped British army
@@lorenzoceccotti4876 your a fuckwit
@@lorenzoceccotti4876 your country was scared you didn't wanna fight but you join one of the biggest genocides ever
@@montycasper4300 probably, but to be honest what we did wasn't any worse than what our enemies did, name me one single crime committed by italy that wasn't committed by tge brits, americans and russians too, racial laws? Genocide? Imperialism? Just name me one
This is an excellent film
@Tomos Ap Llewelen El Alamein - The line of fire
Tomos Ap Llewelen very difficult to find an English dub, but definitely worth watching if you get an opportunity
@@sam-2341 There is only a german dub version. I know this because I came across a trailer of that version which I find it weird.
The kiwis fought so hard it's great film we will.remember them
Nella situazione che racconta il film non si tratta dei combattimenti sul Ruwesait Ridge, ma nella zona della Folgore a Sud, nei pressi del passo del cammello.
Vero. Infatti Solfrizzi racconta a Favino che dovevano andare nel settore della folgore a chiudere un varco
Esatto
FOLGORE and PAVIA 🕊🥹💪🇮🇹🔥🔥🔥🥇🦁
Ariete..Littorio.. Bologna..sabratha..Pavia...Folgore..Trento..
Re-uploaded better quality clip, unfortunately previous comments were lost, feel free to comment again.
Your videos are sh1t and an insult to everyone who fought in them.
@@jasondevon481 YAY the brits are offended, good video :-D
"... Il soldato tedesco stupì il Mondo, il bersagliere italiano stupì il soldato tedesco..." E. Rommel 🤫🤫🤫
Frase mai detta da Rommel...se la sono inventata ...era meglio che sul muro del sacrario non la scrivevano.
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@@soloandrea6573 che l'abbia detta o no non cambia le cose. I fatti sono fatti, le parole, semplici modi per esprimersi. Probabilmente l'ha pensato, ma mai detto, ciò non cambia il valore dei nostri uomini.
Non si sa se l'abbia detta o no, ma in ogni caso non sfigura perché Rommel ha sempre parlato bene dei soldati italiani.
@@deltaagreedsage20 invece cambia , le parole sono importanti e mettere su teatrini non va certo ad onore delle nostre truppe.
Yea my uncle died in this battle the truth was their was no British armour they stayed back at camp in their bunks.the plan was for the NZ,s to clear a path and the armour to follow the armour never arrived.the new Zealanders fought their way back to the surprise of the British .The NZ commander found the British tank commander asleep in his bunk and woke him up with the toe of his boot.
@sr_ jed All I will say is its not the first time it happened. You could say it was a strategic decision not to risk British Armour.
As far as the nzers were concerned it was the English not doing what they said they would do. Depends on perspective .
A lot of commonwealth forces died during ww2 because of the english not wanting to risk their military assets.
Your uncle did his duty, god bless him
as an Italian, glory to your uncle
Name of the movie "El-Alamein la linea del fuoco"
I'm proud to be a newzealander
These soldiers were the best what italian army got, in ww2. Pitty was why Italy did not use them later, in a conflict. I mean in 1943 and 1944.
Good to see you back!
The New Zealand 2nd Division would make it all the way up to Faenza and Trieste. Casualty rate was over 60% by the end.
Viva l'Italia
Tanti soldati italiani morirono 😔 and many ANZAC soldiers,too 😔
C'erano anche greci, francesi, inglesi, sudafricani, indiani. Era un esercito multinazionale
@@caterinasupino9565 Ce la siamo giostrata fin troppo bene
@@marcot.rosestolato3511 metà però era inglese
Where can I watch the movie with English subtitles
Amazon prime video
Actually, the 2nd NZ Division helped defeat Italian and German forces in North Africa and took part in the invasion and defeat of the same in Italy.
They were great fighters the newzelanders
Actually, captured German officer's in Tunisia referred to Americans when being interrogated British personel as "your Italians".
@@montycasper4300 the your or our Italians was commonly used in allied circles when they spoke about the Americans.
@@Kenshiroit They got better and some British units performed poorly too. When you enlist most of the male population it comes down to training and leadership and that varied markedly.
@@montycasper4300 true but not only. Logistics tactics intelligence. Obviously in a large army there are variation of performance. Its expected.
I wish I could find this movie in it's entirety with English translation.
My Great Grandfather was captured and made a POW on Ruweisat Ridge during the First Battle of El Alamein. But it was the Germans who captured them, not Italians.
Was he shipped to a German POW camp then as expected if captured by a German unit?
Where can I find this movie with English subtitles
Amazon prime video or try on openload even tho they might have deleted it
Yup
E niente... Si poteva far un bel film, ma non riuscito... Mio nonno quando lo vedette mi disse "e secondo te è la realtà"? Ok la Pavia... Lui era a nord nella "Trento" ma da questo film disse... "caxxate 48 ore di artiglieria nostra e loro, dopo ciò che resta senza dormire, bere, mangiare, si avanza"!!
È un'alta storia...
Gorgeous music.
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What movie is this?
El Alamein la linea del fuoco
Holding of an attack is not defeating.
What name this film?
El Alamein the line of fire
Australian Banzai Charge
With 1024 tanks
In the Folgore sector there weren't australians.
New Zealand bayonet attack
Operation super charge making change All africans front
The history books show that the Pavia & Brescia divisions were effectively gutted at Tel el Eisa & Ruweisat, and it was only the German armour that saved what was left. My father was in the 20th Battalion 2NZEF, and was made a PoW there...by German armour. This film appears to be like so many others - a not-so-subtle re-write of history. The pity is that so many believe a film rather than find out a little more about the real story - this one appears to be a modern Braveheart - full of stirring actions but very thin on reality
Seems like you have to study your story better. The 20th battalion 2NZEF fought in the 1st battle of El Alamein and was enircled by 15th panzer division on july '42.
They never fought in the 2nd battle of El Alamein because they were being reorganised.
Brescia and Pavia weren't saved by german armour because the panzer divisions were routed at the beginning of the battle and left italian divisions back.
They tried resisting but were swept by british attack and tried retreating by foot to Fuka were other axis units were. The survivors were encircled and had to surrender on NOVEMBER 7th '42.
Ohohoh
Kiwi=owned
I think you mixing the battles around....
Given your lack of knowledge in the subject, this comment is DRIPPING with Irony
غازي.مسلط.غازي.قادرني.حمدني.ربه
Because my great grandfather fought in derest rat's
What NZ was doing there? Dying for the queen? POMs
Killing Nazis and fascists!
Nah mate, just saving the world from fascist tyranny....
@@seph3803 the nazis were partly a product of the enlightenment, not all that came from this epoch was good. Their philosopher of choice was Nietzche ideas like the ubermensch, he wrote that famous line God is dead we have killed him.There will not be enough water to wash the blood from our hands. This is singly the greatest bit of political prophecy in the history of humanity given the way that things unfolded in the twentieth century with the tyranny of the Nazis and for my mind the worse crimes of the Communists Most people are not aware of the last bit of that sentence. This was mixed in with social Darwinism (survival of the fittest) which was popular amongst all Europeans at the time amongst the elites. None of these under currents have a Christian base to them. With regards to the problems stated above in your piece.This is a product I suggest from the post modernist movement in part. Which actually started in Heidelberg in the pre war periods. These people repackaged Marxist elements due to their frustration with the working class world wide not rebelling against the capitalist system.
@@seph3803 that is why I said partly right at the beginning .The German elite had no time for Christianity even though the populace did. By the way what's your real name?
@@seph3803 haha criticising a nations soldiers most of which had a 5 year tour of duty but unable to put your name to your writings.
Italian cows always run.
AERAAAA
History says "no". Sorry
You do remember that your country a) lost the war , b) massacred thousands of Africans in Eritrea, Somalia, Egypt, Sudan and Kenya, c) almost f_cked up the invasion of France. d) used mustard gas and ran its own concentration camps ( 10 at least ) . So please do tell the whole story not just the “ glorious ones “
Chris Anfieldb we do tell both stories and actually most people know only that. Both of them should be told.
They are redressing they balance. In English language sources there is much of the defeat but little if the material disadvantages they had. It was a essentially a second world power against a first world power and its entire empire. This film simply portrays the reality of El Alamein where they with little chance put up he’ll of a resistance against all odds. Yes in contrast to the shambles early on... but the film is on El Alamein
So basically a light version of the criminal syndicate known as British Empire?
Like the allied powers so
The British Empire has brought the world to the blood for 200 years
I must remind you of the "white man burden"
Learn history before you speak
That was a terrible movie italians ran didnt stand and fight lol
In your dreams 😋
Bet you don't study history.
How is studying history meme by meme and not on books?
What about you learn some history instead of watching memes all day?
Ignorant kid
Pavia division? More like CHICKEN division lol
They are not you.
That would be the anglos
These “chikens”, our grandfathers, resisted on the ridge, defeated the brave enemy soldiers and covered the flight of the others, even the germans armed with panzers and heavvy guns that left them there.....Pavia division estinguished in that battle, as no live or free man survived...these chikens were Italians prouds to be there as italian soldiers....please give them respect as we give respect to all the fallen soldiers.
stupid lady...
@@insurrezione. thanks YTP...Daniella shes a classical stupid girl !
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Se i nostri nonni avessero saputo cosa anno dovuto subire per avere un Italia fatta di feccia come la Boldrini e compagni, forse non avrebbero sopportato questo scempio...... Comunque sempre onore a questi che sono stati veri italiana people............ PRESENTE.
Ed i responsabili di queste sconfitte e perdite di territori che avremmo potuto ancora avere furono competentissimi governanti di destra... Tutti presi dalla foga nazionalista lo si dimentica troppo spesso no?