totally agree ... Honda will sell boat loads of those new Hornets, it's priced extremely aggressively. There's nothing else on the market that has comparably similar specs for the same money brand new .... even if it was a whole £1000 more expensive (making it the same price as the new Suzuki GSX8S) they'd still sell loads of them ...
Hornet is going to kill in this price range. Honda built quality, reliability and great specs priced the same as *cheap " Chinese based bikes . No competition.
I really enjoyed all comments. I remember our deep bias in early 60's and 70's when quality,reliable Japanese motorcycles 🏍 were barely entering the market. Our Eurocentric, USA zeal was really fanatical, for the ones who had ridden them , the old fashioned faulty engines, obscenely pricey parts and horrific dealerships. Innovation is great ! So just please keep prices reasonable, especially if you are entering the market !
@@stewartnorton6386 i get what u say, but it got a lot goin for it for that price doesnt it. Standard Abs, cruisecontrol, tirepressure gauge. Dont know if we will see that on the Hornet within the same price
You are right . Why do journo's mention it at all..The design may be Kawasaki , the materials and build quality all Chinese. I would bet anything they won't last like the Kawasaki unit did.
BMW , KTM , and KAWASAKI have all used Chinese manufactured engines in some Models and they allow Chinese companies to make engines for themselves with the same tooling .
@@steveparkins Oh Steven you are right away stereotyping Chinese production Standards when 90% of the Worlds Mobile Phones are made in China , the motherboard and chips in your Computer are made in China . I would even dare to venture that mainstream quality control in China is as good if not better then most countries in the west ....
The anti Chinese sentiment in the comment section is unbelievable , you should NEVER dismiss a bike out of hand just because of where it's made .........
Just saw the scrambler in the flesh at the Scottish Motorcycle Show, it's gorgeous. Got home and googled the price..... the same as a Honda Hornet. Hmmmmm. Has to be Honda then.
If people rode spec sheets we'd all be riding Honda Hornets, but I really need a bike that excites me somehow, looks or otherwise. The new honda does nothing for me, it's got a load of tech I don't care about, looks that are forgettable, and probably isn't going to be made in Japan anyways (the CB650 was made in Taiwan I believe). The Moto Morini might not be my cup of tea exactly, but at least it's got great looks and great suspension combined with a much better implemented dash than the Honda.
Man, motorcycles are not always about power, sometimes is just the freedom and the style, people tend to forget this, or maybe, the ones that aggressively comment are always the ones looking for speed.
And it is why I bought one. SCR Seiemmezzo 2023. Been a blast, and approaching 3,000 miles. Oil changes is all that's been needed. Nimble and all day riding comfort. Suspension is very good but set up a bit harsh when new. Little preload and compression adjustments. Quite good now (breaking in too). Would prefer a different loc of manufacturing.... But it's the bike I've wanted, long time.
Kawasaki engine was bullet proof I don't think it will be built by Chinese for me the hornet 750 same money more power will definitely have better residuals so why on earth would you buy Chinese bike pretending to be Italian doesn't make any sense.
Yes, I remember the Moto Moroni [sic] 3½ (and its even rarer big brother, the 500 and little brother singles of 175 and 250cc, which used just the front cylinder of the larger v-twins), as a friend was crazy enough to own one. On the rare occasions it was roadworthy, it was decent enough handling but underpowered, but it was as reliable as a Tory politician's promise and he always had to wait for parts from the main dealer, hence the rarity value - not many people were daft enough to buy one, and those that had one weren't able to ride it much. And a left-footed kickstart (only - the electric start was only added to the 500). The perfect example of a garage queen. Now still as overpriced but with bought-in parts and helping to fund the genocidal CCP - hard pass.
Everyone is comparing it to the Honda hornet. Look at the riding positions of the 2 bikes. I would be crippled in under 10 minutes of riding the hornet. Might go fast, but you won't go far. Just another bike that will set in the garage while the owner is out on a bike he can actually ride.
A 60 BHP Chinese built bike with a cloned 15 year old engine for £7000 is a good price ??? ...When a 90 BHP brand newly designed Honda Hornet is the same price !!! What planet are these guys on ?? No credibility when talking nonsense like this.
They are for sure not most exciting engines but you went way too far with "the most dull and unexciting in history". Let alone that Chinese "copies" never been a real copy and it's always a downgrade from the original in every aspect.
The problem with every guy that has commented here is that when they hear the word CHINESE they go nuts! But in reality 90% of everything made is from China, i have this bike and its perfect in every aspect i dont understand the hate. You should try it before speaking.
Well that fell on deaf ears judging by the comments. And the Honda does sound more tempting. I was never a Honda fan. And probably still aren't. After 40+ years of riding bought my first one last year. It does everything OK. And will no doubt continue to. But does it take over your senses and make you feel alive. Not really. It's a Honda. The reason I never owned one before is they are uniformly bland. I liked bikes that were different. Raucous. Bit you if you didn't pay attention. I'm old now so past caring. I liked the look of the two Italian/Japanese/ Chinese clone bikes. The price is steep to compete with bigger name more up to date opposition. And that has to go against them. It has a Chinese engine. As they now build engines for nearly everything. And in numbers that dwarf everybody else does that really matter. You pay squillions for some upmarket brand. Half the components were made in China anyway. Perhaps it's just me. But when I was younger I would rather rock up down the pub on something different to the norm. For others it is the safe bet and the best resale value. Sounds like the pub car park will be full of Honda Hornets. Next to my Morini 6.5.
What, aside from the brand name, is Italian about this bike? One might argue that the tank design is Italian-ish - I would not be surprised if that has little practical connection to Italy, as well. As the brakes were mentioned I couldn't help wondering if those, too, were genuine in name only. The attempt to disguise this with marketing it transparent and disingenuous - can't there be some criticality here? And can't we agree that China is producing decent enough bikes to make it without the coverup?
Yea I think factory they put all parts together is in Italy.... Design is Italian... Price is good cos of that engine. Not that engine is bad only time will tell but cos it is not well known brand engine... Another thing is we all can see other manufactured car engines in different car brands this is not a bad thing. Engine built quality is major concern about this motorcycle imho. I would wait with purchase like 2-3 years with this one... If its still around on the market with that engine than I would put it in consideration...
WHO HAS £7k to blow on a bike after all other bills. Cost of bikes & cars is unrealistic. Or should I get a better job as the Tories say. Stick with my 30yr old VFR thank you.
Well, the number one and three top selling bikes over 125cc in the UK 2022 were, respectively, the BMW R1250GS Adventure at £16k+ and R1250GS at £15k with combined sales of 3,215. So, "Who has £7k to blow on a bike...?" Plenty.
They’re visually pleasing designs I’ll give them that.
New Hornet is £7k and has 50% more power
Yabbut, exacty that.
Its a Honda, a beige clone of an ugly KTM.
@@michaelhayward7572 better than a clone of a clone of a clone... And KTM reliability? No thanks...
totally agree ... Honda will sell boat loads of those new Hornets, it's priced extremely aggressively. There's nothing else on the market that has comparably similar specs for the same money brand new .... even if it was a whole £1000 more expensive (making it the same price as the new Suzuki GSX8S) they'd still sell loads of them ...
@@videosbruno i don't like KTM's either.
Cant stand that transformer alien insect styling.
@flippy5118 you are funny.
Hornet is going to kill in this price range. Honda built quality, reliability and great specs priced the same as *cheap " Chinese based bikes . No competition.
I really enjoyed all comments.
I remember our deep bias in early 60's and 70's when quality,reliable Japanese motorcycles 🏍 were barely entering the market.
Our Eurocentric, USA zeal was really fanatical, for the ones who had ridden them , the old fashioned faulty engines, obscenely pricey parts and horrific dealerships.
Innovation is great !
So just please keep prices reasonable, especially if you are entering the market !
I love your riding position, you lean off like you're getting your knee down but the bike is upright 😂😂😂
Honda Hornet is the obvious competition, for the same price?
These look much better than the hornet but I'd prefer Honda parts
Buy one of these and see what it's worth in a years time probably not a lot I would buy hornet all day long .
Same price as the new Hornet, would have to be much cheaper to tempt me to buy one.
Hornet is going to cause a lot of headache for these "cheap" Chinese based bike manufacturers.
Agreed, this looks a belting bike for £7k but I would defo go for the hornet
@@stewartnorton6386 i get what u say, but it got a lot goin for it for that price doesnt it. Standard Abs, cruisecontrol, tirepressure gauge. Dont know if we will see that on the Hornet within the same price
Hanging off that bike like a couple on shopping bags on a mobility scooters handlebars
Stunning motorcycles. You can see the italian design in there
That old, 'should I go (pseudoclassic) Italian with my heart, or Japanese with my brain?' argument will never go away.
Heart always if you can afford it
That's a lot of money in today's world too !!!
Great review. That is not a Kawasaki engine. Plenty of Rolex watches for sale for £50 that are copies, just like that engine.
He said it was a copy 1:27
You are right . Why do journo's mention it at all..The design may be Kawasaki , the materials and build quality all Chinese. I would bet anything they won't last like the Kawasaki unit did.
BMW , KTM , and KAWASAKI have all used Chinese manufactured engines in some Models and they allow Chinese companies to make engines for themselves with the same tooling .
@@PhilipKerry Are these Chinese engines using tooling and quality control overseen by Kawasaki. l
@@steveparkins Oh Steven you are right away stereotyping Chinese production Standards when 90% of the Worlds Mobile Phones are made in China , the motherboard and chips in your Computer are made in China . I would even dare to venture that mainstream quality control in China is as good if not better then most countries in the west ....
The anti Chinese sentiment in the comment section is unbelievable , you should NEVER dismiss a bike out of hand just because of where it's made .........
The iphone they are typing with is also made in China😂
Just saw the scrambler in the flesh at the Scottish Motorcycle Show, it's gorgeous. Got home and googled the price..... the same as a Honda Hornet. Hmmmmm. Has to be Honda then.
If people rode spec sheets we'd all be riding Honda Hornets, but I really need a bike that excites me somehow, looks or otherwise. The new honda does nothing for me, it's got a load of tech I don't care about, looks that are forgettable, and probably isn't going to be made in Japan anyways (the CB650 was made in Taiwan I believe). The Moto Morini might not be my cup of tea exactly, but at least it's got great looks and great suspension combined with a much better implemented dash than the Honda.
Man, motorcycles are not always about power, sometimes is just the freedom and the style, people tend to forget this, or maybe, the ones that aggressively comment are always the ones looking for speed.
And it is why I bought one.
SCR Seiemmezzo 2023.
Been a blast, and approaching 3,000 miles. Oil changes is all that's been needed.
Nimble and all day riding comfort.
Suspension is very good but set up a bit harsh when new.
Little preload and compression adjustments.
Quite good now (breaking in too).
Would prefer a different loc of manufacturing....
But it's the bike I've wanted, long time.
Hi great channel very nice mounted ;)
Kawasaki engine was bullet proof I don't think it will be built by Chinese for me the hornet 750 same money more power will definitely have better residuals so why on earth would you buy Chinese bike pretending to be Italian doesn't make any sense.
Yes, I remember the Moto Moroni [sic] 3½ (and its even rarer big brother, the 500 and little brother singles of 175 and 250cc, which used just the front cylinder of the larger v-twins), as a friend was crazy enough to own one. On the rare occasions it was roadworthy, it was decent enough handling but underpowered, but it was as reliable as a Tory politician's promise and he always had to wait for parts from the main dealer, hence the rarity value - not many people were daft enough to buy one, and those that had one weren't able to ride it much. And a left-footed kickstart (only - the electric start was only added to the 500). The perfect example of a garage queen.
Now still as overpriced but with bought-in parts and helping to fund the genocidal CCP - hard pass.
Everyone is comparing it to the Honda hornet. Look at the riding positions of the 2 bikes. I would be crippled in under 10 minutes of riding the hornet. Might go fast, but you won't go far. Just another bike that will set in the garage while the owner is out on a bike he can actually ride.
I like the red one!!
A 60 BHP Chinese built bike with a cloned 15 year old engine for £7000 is a good price ??? ...When a 90 BHP brand newly designed Honda Hornet is the
same price !!! What planet are these guys on ??
No credibility when talking nonsense like this.
Honda Hornet - 2 words.........
Chinese bikes....not interested.
they decided to copy one of the most dull and unexciting motorcycle engines in history, and jammed it in a chinese made everything else?
They are for sure not most exciting engines but you went way too far with "the most dull and unexciting in history". Let alone that Chinese "copies" never been a real copy and it's always a downgrade from the original in every aspect.
For the same price as a Honda Hornet...
The problem with every guy that has commented here is that when they hear the word CHINESE they go nuts! But in reality 90% of everything made is from China, i have this bike and its perfect in every aspect i dont understand the hate. You should try it before speaking.
7k to help out the CCP, No thanks.
These bike journalists just don't get it.
@@splodge57 get what - suddenly fascists are noble warriors of freedom. not so much
Hmm Kawasaki clone huh? Good luck getting it serviced at a Kawasaki dealer
but maybe a morini dealer!!!!
What "kind of" review is this!?
they take a motorcycle, ride it, and discuss their impressions.
@@anxiousappliance I fear you missed my little jocular comment
Well that fell on deaf ears judging by the comments. And the Honda does sound more tempting. I was never a Honda fan. And probably still aren't. After 40+ years of riding bought my first one last year. It does everything OK. And will no doubt continue to. But does it take over your senses and make you feel alive. Not really. It's a Honda. The reason I never owned one before is they are uniformly bland. I liked bikes that were different. Raucous. Bit you if you didn't pay attention. I'm old now so past caring. I liked the look of the two Italian/Japanese/ Chinese clone bikes. The price is steep to compete with bigger name more up to date opposition. And that has to go against them. It has a Chinese engine. As they now build engines for nearly everything. And in numbers that dwarf everybody else does that really matter. You pay squillions for some upmarket brand. Half the components were made in China anyway. Perhaps it's just me. But when I was younger I would rather rock up down the pub on something different to the norm. For others it is the safe bet and the best resale value. Sounds like the pub car park will be full of Honda Hornets. Next to my Morini 6.5.
What, aside from the brand name, is Italian about this bike? One might argue that the tank design is Italian-ish - I would not be surprised if that has little practical connection to Italy, as well. As the brakes were mentioned I couldn't help wondering if those, too, were genuine in name only. The attempt to disguise this with marketing it transparent and disingenuous - can't there be some criticality here? And can't we agree that China is producing decent enough bikes to make it without the coverup?
I think the actual designers behind it are Italian (even though I honestly don't care about who has which passport as long as it looks good)
Yea I think factory they put all parts together is in Italy.... Design is Italian... Price is good cos of that engine. Not that engine is bad only time will tell but cos it is not well known brand engine... Another thing is we all can see other manufactured car engines in different car brands this is not a bad thing. Engine built quality is major concern about this motorcycle imho. I would wait with purchase like 2-3 years with this one... If its still around on the market with that engine than I would put it in consideration...
I'd rather save up and get the real deal rather than a fake
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Nothing more boring than hearing someone talk about specs for five minutes
What about hearing someone moaning about someone talking about specs?
WHO HAS £7k to blow on a bike after all other bills. Cost of bikes & cars is unrealistic. Or should I get a better job as the Tories say. Stick with my 30yr old VFR thank you.
Some people have good jobs. No kids and money in the bank. I just purchased a tracer9 gt why the fuck not?
£7k for a new bike is bloody good value! Damn right amazing! And this is a lot of bike for that cash!
Correct. I'll stick with my 23k Ducati V4S Travel. 😄👍🏻
a lot of people.
Well, the number one and three top selling bikes over 125cc in the UK 2022 were, respectively, the BMW R1250GS Adventure at £16k+ and R1250GS at £15k with combined sales of 3,215. So, "Who has £7k to blow on a bike...?" Plenty.
There's only one problem with these bikes it's Chinese the engines are garbage compared to Japanese engineering
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