How I'd BRING BACK Hyper Sonic!
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- Опубліковано 24 бер 2023
- Hyper Sonic is overpowered, but that doesn't mean we couldn't see him in a game again someday! I think it'd be best if Hyper Sonic took Super Sonic's old position as an End Game spectacle, meaning Super Sonic can be present in gameplay even more than he was in Frontiers! Here's my short rant about Super Sonic and Hyper Sonic. Let me know what you think!
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I understand that you want hyper sonic back I mean it's extremely cool and your idea ist good. But if you say something like you can turn into Super Sonic at every time that's were it gets complikadet cause in the game you see what happens when Sonic gets out of super The Emerald's just Fly away.
I don't want to be mean I just say how it is okay I'm Not a hater don't worry
Hyper Sonic isn't ever coming back dude. The creators already shot down the possibility of him ever returning. Christian Whitehead said they don't want any more transformations to avoid becoming like Dragon Ball, and Izuka said it's not possible for Sonic to become Hyper Sonic anymore
Thanks for saying the same thing dozens of other people have already said.
@@Garrulous64 Just sayin, with Origins Plus coming out soon it's entirely possible that we could get a Super and Hyper Amy, being the first hyper form in nearly 29 years.
I mean, the Master Emerald is from Earth and the Chaos Emeralds are from Space. So when the Master Emerald enhances the Chaos Emeralds into the Super Emeralds briefly, it’s like the powers of 2 Worlds are coming together to do something neither could do alone.
Now that’s the real superpower of teamwork!
Actually first you have to collect the Chaos Emeralds then they enter the Super Emerald Statues we see in Hidden Palace Zone
Then we have to collect them again to obtain Hyper, so ye
@@RandomSkull69420 Still, within the story and lore, the formation of the Super Emeralds require the Chaos Emeralds to be empowered by the Master Emerald.
They had the perfect setup for it in frontiers. The super emeralds coulda been used to take down the moon! After supreme maybe they needed to run to angel island for one last epic collectathon for the Supa emarolls!
Love this, maybe next game.
@@BoyleVoices one can dream
Not to mention, Iizuka says the Super Emeralds are in another dimension, which is a concept they could have easily tied to Frontiers with the whole "Cyberspace" thing. Talk about a huge missed opportunity.
@@bottomtext593 At first, I thought the same thing. But won’t the payoff be so grand if they’re saving it for SA3?
@@BoyleVoices Holy shit that would make so much sense.
Just the concept of Hyper Sonic returning is extremely exciting to me, these are solid ideas, Dylan!
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@@hunterbennett757 Funni.
"It's gotten me through some hard times, mainly Ice Cap Zone." I don't know if this is an intentional reference or not, but the Ice Cap theme was based off of a song called Hard Times by the Jetzones.
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While I’m neutral on the idea on Hyper Sonic making a comeback someday, I have a possible idea on how SEGA and Sonic Team could reintroduce it that involves the Master Emerald.
We’ve never really seen the Master Emerald’s power as much as the Chaos Emeralds. The only things we know about it are it having the power to grant Super Forms like the Emeralds (as seen with Mecha in S3&K and Neo Metal in the IDW Comics), that it has the ability to neutralize the Chaos Emeralds power, and that it originates from Earth unlike the Chaos Emeralds. Maybe they could expand on the Master Emeralds power by making it to where Sonic has to use both the Chaos and Master Emerald’s powers at the same time in order to achieve a form beyond Super. Thus Hyper could be reintroduced on top of making the Master Emerald more important and useful. However, Sonic shouldn’t be able to transform into Hyper as much as Super since all that energy would put a huge amount of strain onto his body so it makes the form more rare. I don’t know. This is just an idea I came up with.
I mean, technically you already need the master emerald's power for hyper since that's what turns the chaos emeralds into the super emeralds that you need to go hyper in the first place
That totally sounds legit. And good points are made in what you wrote 👍
that idea was used in a sonic fangame, sonic 2 sms remake, and it worked out pretty well
Iizuka said that the reason he doesn't wanna bring Hyper Sonic back (or any Hyper forms, sadly for us Nazo Unleashed fans) is because he doesn't want to bog the series down with layers of power levels like in Dragon Ball.
Doesn't mean we can't hope, though.
There's no reason they can't just cap it at Hyper Sonic then. Save it for final bosses, or hidden super bosses, and the rest of the bosses they keep it to Super form. As for making it different from Dragon Ball, Hyper is more unique. There are no Dragon Ball forms that cycle through all the colors, but there is a yellow one.
Morio kishimoto, the director of sonic frontiers has said that hyper sonic WILL return in the next game, possibly in the dlc
@@cranchelife8254 And the next game happens to be an apple exclusive...
To add to this at the end of the game we could disable super sonic, then sonic has to think of other ways to defeat and get through super sonic worthy enemies until he can recharge the emeralds via the master emerald.
I love that when you typed down: "bigger emeralds" in your script when you saw it you had to go: "hmm... bigger... BIGger... oh yes I need to make the emeralds look like Big!"
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@@Garrulous64 well I'm glad that I'm so into it
3:36 we're not gonna ignore that 😂
the new cyber spaces for this game could be like 7 stages and if you compelete 7 in a row you can upgrade a chaos emerald to super emerald and each upgrade unlocks more skills but each skill costs rings to use so upgrading the ring capacity would be a necessity
I just saw piccolo dance, I am now disintegrating from the reality
I physically sighed at that sight...
They not only had an opportunity to bring Hyper into Frontiers, but also could've had his friends be playable and use Cyberspace to get to Angel Island with the Emeralds and power them up into super ones in order to break sonic from his corruption.
It was stated in an interview leading up to Frontiers' release that it's not possible to become Hyper Sonic anymore. He was never planned.
@@mauricereticau6292 And a little while after the release, Morio Kishimoto, game director of Frontiers, stated there's a possibility Hyper might make a canon appearance.
I like your idea of going super in key elements in a level. Would be sick af to see something like that. Have em turn super to break thru some falling rocks or something to reach the end of the level
A design idea I had for Super Sonic to Hyper Sonic is that Super Sonic’s quills would be more similar to how he looked in Sonic Adventure 2 where some parts of his quills and spines are down but most are spiked up, but when he transform into Hyper Sonic it could be how Super Sonic looks in the modern games or something better I thought of, Hyper Sonic could have a modern redesign of how Super Sonic and Hyper Sonic looked in Sonic 3 & Knuckles.
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I think this is quite the dilemma because of how they do not want to bring it back, Takashi Iizuka, and Sonic team have been quite reluctant. Making a half baked reason of why the super emeralds cannot cannonically be created saying, "It'd be too simmilar to the DBZ franchize." But it isn't and if they go down the right path it wouldn't. They have developed super sonic into a hail mary for the games which is nothing like DBZ which is just a higher state of power taking a large ammount of discipline, and familial past to unlock. I think that if they are going to be this disinclined then they should make an entirely new form. Which I've had a pretty decent idea for, for a while. Being a mixture of super sonic and the power boost sonic from Frontiers. When first playing Frontiers and discovering the Power Boost I thought of Ultra sonic from Archies series of Sonic Comics, being a sonic which collected a enhanced version of the normal ring called The Power Ring. Giving him flight, and a few other powers, most important of them all being the Zone of Silence/The Void, or as it is known as after it became the home of the chaos emeralds: The Special Stage. My form would be called, Empowered Super Sonic giving him extremely high amplified power, a boost that is infinite, and more like Rush - Forces enemy plowing boost, and a combination of Hyper sonic's powers with Ultra's. Including the power to open The Special Stage, which he uses to dump enemies once they are too weak to avoid the opening. This will not be a common power however, having to take a large ammount of rings to unlock, and continue as, being a physically, and mentally demanding power that if used for too long can put him out of commision for a while. It's biggest problem however is the ammount of power it takes to seal the Special Stages shut, leaving massive trails of rips in the world. However if Sonic cyloops at all in the form any rip of the dimention will be closed in a 100m radius.
I think it'd be cool for hyper sonic to be a power up during a super sonic boss fight like the power boost. It could be like the phantom rush state or something like that so it's not like it's replacing super sonic, just enhancing it.
I've never honestly understood the appeal of Hyper Sonic (and that's speaking as someone who has played Sonic 3 so many times she could do it in her sleep), but the way you put it in this video- an escalation of the already existing big boss fights in Sonic Frontiers- does make sense.
There are any number of directions Sonic can now go in after Frontiers, and that's definitely one I'd like to see.
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Ok, the game over screen saying Fuck you instead caught me off guard 3:34
Personally, I would just bring back special stages, and make it so that the game detects whether you have completed save data for the previous game on the same console, and whether you’ve completed the game you’re playing once already. If both of these things are true, once you start a new game, you’ll be taken to a S3&K styled emerald shrine when you enter special stages, and you power up the emeralds into super emeralds the same way you did in that game.
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"He got me through some *hard times*, especially Ice Cap"
i see what you did there lol
Great concept I’d buy that
A retroactive addition to this: Because the Emeralds are such a big part of this new game, BRING BACK THE EMERALD ABILITIES FROM SUPERSTARS PLEASE.
this is such a cool idea goddamn
I thought hypersonic was gonna show up for the final boss of sonic frontiers, seemed fitting considering you turned into super sonic for the whole game.
I wouldn’t even mind if they made a Cyber Form based on his mutation, that just looks like Hyper Sonic, the same way Sage’s color went to White and Cyan
I love this video and i agree with this video but you sound like the Sonic from the "Sonic and Amy squad" channel
I want Hyper Sonic to return and I love your idea of bringing him back. Hyper Sonic is such a cool form that doesn't deserve to be in only in one Sonic game (that is Sonic3&K).
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Super sonic in normal gameplay is pretty interesting especially an idea for a stain meter stopping it from it from being used for a long time, something similar to the rings.
Something else that would be good is some type of akin system heroes with a mix of the sonic frontier gameplay.
Hey, thanks for including Super/Hyper Sonic Faithful in your video! I always find your videos entertaining and thought provoking, so seeing something I made in one of your videos really means a lot! 😁
On the topic of Hyper, though. I'd love to see it come back someday, too. Even if they kept the color changing aspect, they could probably just slow it down to reduce the risk of epilepsy. Maybe someday.
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Interesting video! You’ve got pretty good points tbh. It’s true that this has lots of potential but apparently SEGA wouldn’t want to copy DG too much lol
Oh boy, how we’d all be if we saw Hyper Sonic again, like we’re going through boss fights with Super Sonic like Frontiers and we’re expecting the final boss to go like that but then the Master Emerald turns the Chaos Emeralds into Super Emeralds and Sonic goes Hyper, the world would be hearing excited screams from Sonic fans all over
this kinda ties into a headcanon i have about super sonic. shadow seems to be modeled after super sonic from the mural in S3K after Gerald Robotnik (assumedly, idk if this is canon or not either but its heavily implied) researched the echidna tribe/ruins. considering the quills on both point up, and considering shadow is supposed to be "the ultimate lifeform", i think that makes sense
in Sonic Advance 2, and i think in Rush and Rush Adventure (tho i'd have to double check for the DS games) when sonic gets boost... his quills point up! boost in all 3 games is powered by rings, and yknow what else is powered by rings? the special stage portals!
knowing all this, i think that rings have a lot of the same chaos energy as the emeralds, just like. microdosing the chaos energy. another part of my headcanon is, i think sonic has gotten better at controlling chaos energy. we can see some of this growth directly in Sonic Adventure 2, and indirectly in other later games, such as his absolute mastery over it in the Unleashed intro cutscene. in fact, just having the airdash that comes with the homing attack without needing hyper sonic or an elemental shield shows this
one final thing, i think the wisps "hyper-go-on energy" as Eggman calls it, is extremely close or possibly related to chaos energy, and this similarity is likely how Eggman found them in the first place. it gives you boost, and the boost and final-hit ultra team-up attack both are pretty similar to hyper sonic's powers. i want to think the wisps energy is a different thing and just strangely similar to chaos energy, i think it makes more interesting writing, not everything needs to be connected
besides the first two paragraphs i don't think any of this was on purpose tbh, thats the fun of headcanons :) but i think the gradual power growth of super sonic tied to systematic progression would play rly well with this headcanon
The colors he alternate are the formal names of the additive and subtractive primary colors of "light": Additive-Red, Green and Blue. Subtractive- Yellow, Cyan and Magenta. Some believe that he is primarily gold/yellow with the alternating colors. He is not. Primarily he is white/ "light". When the colors are mixed you will have white and also black when mixed in another way. You spoke of the DBZ franchise. DBZ is indeed the reason why Hyper Sonic happened. Though the creator of DBZ was flattered with his transformation in Sonic 2 because it was admitted that Super Sonic was inspired by SS Goku, Toriyama, the creator of Dragon Ball asked Naka, the co-creator of Sonic to change Sonic's appearance, most notable the green eyes. At some point, I believe starting with Sonic DX, Sonic's eyes became brownish orange because of this.
If they don't want to bring back the Super Emeralds as a concept, I think a way they could do the transformation is using Wisps.
NOW HEAR ME OUT
Hyper Sonic flashes in many colors, but at the base is perceived as white.
Wisps contain *Hyper* Go-On energy and come in many different colors with White being the base power boost color.
They could make it so if Super Sonic absorbs like a copious amount of White Wisps as well as one of each of the sixteen colored Wisps, he transforms into Hyper Sonic which also has access to all of the Wisp abilities.
Weren't the super emeralds always buffed chaos emeralds?
The final boss in frontiers is fine and the song is a banger but I just wished it had go this way:
In this timeline sonic frontiers actually has 5 Islands
Kronos, Ares and Chaos remains the same, just a change in their order.
Rhea and Ouranos would have been different than what we got, being Rhea a Snow island and Ouranos a Water Island.
The actual Rhea and Ouranos would be unlockable extensions of Kronos.
the order would be: Kronos, Rhea, Ares, Ouranos, Chaos and the two extensions of kronos at the end.
In each Island sonic collects the seven chaos emeralds, and if you do a 100% in each of them you unlock a Super emerald, this could be justified via cyberspace things and sonic past.
With this at the end of the game everything would go as usual, you hit the final boss battle and the Ikaruga battle could even remain as a middle phase.
At the part where Super sonic goes through the end, instead of destroying it with the help of sage, it breaks like an egg, and the end reveals its true form, wiping both Sonic and the Supreme titan from the fight with no effort and sending them to the earth again.
Then Everything starts to collapse as the objective of The end has been accomplished, it seems that Sonic lost, until suddenly the 7 super emeralds teleport around him a Impossible amount of power surrounds him.
the sheer amount of powers is enough to retain the power of the end, reveling the new appearance of sonic, that for the first time in ages, has become Hyper once again.
The battle would be across the real world, the cyberspace and the null void in constant space-time shifts
Sonic attacks would be even more impactful than ever, with some specials animations like literary landing space-shattering strikes.
the final quick time event shows sonic taking a stellar leap and hitting The end with such a incommensurable force, finally defeating the final boss of the game.
Imagine if that was what we got instead of the ikaruga segment, easily the best fight in the entire franchise
we can dream.
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Simple solution. Super Sonic for the boss fights, Hyper Sonic for the true final boss fight. I honestly half expected the final boss in *Frontiers* to include Hyper Sonic.
A suggestion:
Have sonic not have the emeralds at the start of the game (they could simply be in tails's storage or something) and have slowly get the emeralds as part of the progression of the game. On getting the first emerald he can use super sonic for brief flashes (maybe a second or two) like an overdrive state with a cooldown on it.
This time limit and respective cooldown lessens with each emeralds acquired as the options while in super sonic expand with how long you can maintain it.
In universe this is sonic becoming more and more attuned with general chaos energy, being able to draw on the ambient chaos energy of the universe, need at least one emerald to act as a focus for it.
Finally once you've gathered all the emeralds, you can have a scene where shit is hitting the fan. People are fake dying, something to get an emotional rise out of sonic. This surge of emotion (a la krillin dying on namek) triggers the super emerald transformation. Cue epic hyper sonic final boss fight with whatever eldritch horror eggman just lost control of.
After that happens, the emotions fade as there is peace. The emeralds revert. We return to the status quo as tails want to research sonic's new chaos affinty.
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I would let the chaos emeralds be used by base sonic as mini power ups like teleporting and other things but for the most part the boss battles would be the same but you have the ability to upgrade ur emeralds giving u hyper sonic and a lot more combos u can you use
Super sonic could be a meter based thing like Ripper mode in Metal Gear Rising, that would be fun
i feel like one good solution would be be make super sonic avaIlable early like u said but take a page out of dragon ball games book and make like a transformation wheel and toggle between base sonic/super&hyper sonic at will
Morio Kishimoto said something about the super emeralds was sent to a dif dimention entierly, so one of my ideas is that They find a way to Get them is with the use of the chaos emeralds and the master emerald They can find / Get to said dimention
I was hoping for sonic to have some sort of powered up form during combat in frontiers like a devil trigger type thing and they could make super sonic that
I believe izuka said that the super emeralds were still trapped in another dimension. So what they could of did was in cyber space to add special stages because technically special stages are another dimension so it could of been a cyberspace special stage. While you collect the normal emeralds in the open zone
what if instead of getting the emeralds through the story like in most 3D sonic games, we go back to the special stage formula. Make the special stages challenging so that it isn't too easy to get the super form by the start of the game. Then, if you have all the chaos emeralds by the end of the game, you can use the hyper form for the final boss. If you don't, sonic could get the emeralds through a cutscene after the penultimate boss. if you have all the emeralds before the final boss, you can use super sonic in the open world, and after the final boss you can use hyper sonic in the open world. This would add replay value in being to decimate everything and fly around the world. Hyper sonic would become more of a reward for being good than a necessity for story, thus maintaining both forms' importance. You can have your cool final battle either way, but if you're good, you can get a cool reward afterwards.
The way I would bring back Hyper Sonic is to have an enemy so powerful that now even Super Sonic can defeat him. So he needs the super emeralds.
Unfortunately they’re in another dimension. I think that we can explore more of the Master Emerald’s capabilities by having it be used as a portal to other dimensions, or just the dimension Super Emeralds are in.
Sonic would go to that dimension and do special stages as super sonic to get each Super emerald. Then after getting all 7 super emeralds, sonic can’t transform yet because the super emeralds are devoid of power.
The master emerald would be used to fuse the chaos emeralds with the dormant super emeralds, awakening them and then sonic uses the super emeralds and the master emerald to become Hyper Sonic.
Hyper Sonic defeats this super powerful foe that Super Sonic couldn’t defeat. It would be this massive spectacle of 2 godlike beings clashing, but Hyper Sonic wins. But the fight was rough and the super emeralds are unstable, so by the end of the battle, the super emeralds are about to explode. They explode and the chaos emeralds come out of the super emerald.
The idea is to bring back Hyper Sonic, but only once and never again, as a last hurrah. I want Hyper Sonic to return but I’m afraid that doing so will make Super Sonic be less special. Why go super when you can just go hyper. This should hopefully scratch the hyper sonic itch on everyone, and not make super sonic any less special.
I think they way it COULD be done is, you start the game with no Chaos Emerald's, of course. But in each of the worlds you have the option to follow the world normally and collect the Chaos Emerald's like Frontiers, with the change that either A. after the first boss you will still keep the Chaos Emerald's or B. You get the final Chaos Emerald's before the boss fights to allow us, the player, to explore the area a little as Super Sonic and getting used to him. And that will stay till the final Boss, with an added change. A new collectable, perhaps a form of Super Ring's or such, spread across the world of the game, where each one grants you as player a new Ability ingame. These abilities will however have an added Bonus of, if you get all of them and are in the final area with the Chaos Emerald's, you get a new Bonus mission. Maybe a spirit Boss against older foes, maybe just a hard core parcour, or maybe a fight against Super Sonic as Sonic. When beating the ultimate challenge tho, you get access to Hyper Sonic, not for the main gameplay tho but for now only the final Boss, where that Boss will gain new abilities aswell, as well as you losing more rings per second, but by attacking it head on and not stopping the approach you will prevail and win this fight, not able to be stopped what so ever. Adding an extra difficulty to getting the secret ending but a rewarding end to it all
I like your ideas but what if instead of having a game where sonic has the emeralds on hand at all times, perhaps as a result of sonic using the chaos emeralds time and time again, he learns how to somewhat go super without the emeralds. Like he could go "semi super sonic" or a "power sonic" not as powerful as normal super, but a quick boost if he needs it but it's strenuous to use.
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I'd definitely love to see Hyper Sonic come back, but I would personally make it a very rare occurrence.
I love the points made in your video but quite frankly, the way it's all layed out here makes it sound like a concept that would only work on paper. Super Sonic is quite special in Frontiers because it happens only so often, so to numb it down to a general gameplay thing to make room for Hyper Sonic would ruin the specialty of it to begin with. It spoils things both lore and gameplay since having the super emeralds around more often would basically be the same as saying "yeah the chaos emeralds don't really matter that much anymore, why have them when the super emeralds exist?"
I think this is why they're handled very well in sonic 3, since that's when the series was more gameplay focused so it was purely a reward for players who already gotten the chaos emeralds before the midpoint. I don't know how well they'd work nowadays where canon has a bigger role.
Which is why I mention that they should only pop up *very* rarely, they could come back in the next game and the writers would just need to think of an excuse to get rid of them for another long while. I do certainly believe one of the main reasons why the super emeralds are so loved is *because* they're not common.
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Honestly I just wish Hyper was in one final phase at the end of the true boss of Frontiers, even if it was Super gameplay but scaled up and more ridiculous it would be better than what we got. Maybe even have it Fierce Deity style where it's genuinely really easy because Hyper Sonic is THAT powerful, but the spectacle is so much fun that you don't care. Love that game to death but that boss was a real letdown
As an explanation they could have the titan transfer all its energy into Super or something. Hopefully we'll get something to improve it in the final DLC!
Hyper Sonic should be Re-Introduce where a Boss can easily beat Super Sonic like he's nothing.
I say making Super Sonic a casual in gameplay consistently is actually REALLY dangerous for iconism, if that makes sense. This falls into the problem with Dragon Ball and how Goku has a lot of forms that are straight up thrown into the shadow realm of obscurity. It'd be better if Super Sonic was his one and only *true* form and every new form is a catalyst of something else being mixed with his form so it isn't something that overshadows his other abilities, allow for narratives in the series without causing problems in the future and just generally make it really hype when you see a new form since it won't be something that happens 24/7.
I want to see the unleashed regions back and built upon, as well as adding more of these regions. They could so easily go with the locations from the 2000s. Why not the 2010s? Most of these games take place on a planetoid, in space or don’t have any new original level themes
I think a better idea for normal levels would be that sonic could use the emeralds power without turning super. I think sonic just constantly going back in forth between forms would just be weird. And maybe for open zone or open world you could do the same but it would have to recharge because maybe the problems in the bigger spaces put more stress and strain on the emeralds so they just need a second to regain their full power.
maybe for super sonic flight in the main game it could be like generations, where the the boost is flight
I think something less would be better. Instead of overusing Super Sonic, we have an enemy too strong for Super Sonic and at the time, Sonic is the only one who can go Super. Then someone reminds Sonic of the Super Emeralds and how the master Emerald could turn the Chaos Emeralds into the Super Emeralds. Sonic would then power up the Emeralds and become Hyper Sonic to defeat this new "unbeatable" enemy. In this new form, 2 rings would go down every second so Sonic would need double the amount of rings as he normally would to stay in this form for a while. To use this form post game, there would need to be non-cannonical Super-Enemies for sonic to beat in a boss rush mode. Kinda like the "X" enemies in the Mario&Luigi series. They're the same boss except more powerful than the last time you fought then and they're different color so they aren't apart of the story in anyway.
Although I like Hyper Sonic, I don't really agree with the idea of bringing him back just for the sake of having a more powerful form. That will easily lead to power creep, which isn't good writing nor is it cool. In fact, depending on how its done, it can come off as childish and ruin things. Case in point: My Hero Academia. Started off focusing on training and creative strategy, and is now new powers as the plot demands.
If Sonic is unable to defeat a threat with raw strength alone, then just use a different approach to dealing with it. For example, is there a reason why the writer's cannot simply make Sonic more resourceful by having him learn new combat techniques or chaos energy attacks? Why can't they just introduce new characters who have the abilities required to defeat the threat? Why not create new gadgets or tech to deal with the problem, or make the threat something that Sonic simply can't just beat up to defeat, instead requiring him to be diplomatic or allowing other characters to shine by using their unique skills and experiences to address the problem instead? Or, I dunno, introduce compelling internal conflicts instead of world-ending threats?
I feel that there are a lot better and more compelling ways of handling conflict without relying on new super forms and making Super Sonic feel redundant. Or, is this just to make the series even more like DBZ, more specifically the English version of it?
Okay, but what about Chaos Ring Sonic or Sol Emerald Sonic?
I want Super Sonic to just be a Devil Trigger, while Hyper Sonic is an SDT
So turn super sonic into a double-edged devil trigger...
Imdown with that
after buffing Super Sonic like this in Frontiers, to just size him down to normal gameplay still seems like an injustice, I mean if you think about it in gameplay Modern Sonic's base form is stronger than Hyper Classic Sonic so I'd say that's enough for me
Honestly, Super Sonic is just using the positive energy of the Chaos Emeralds, so it would make sense that the Hyper form would use both positive and negative energy. Also, whynnot just have a plot where Eggman or some other big bad weakens Super Sonic alot and Sonic while still having the form needs another way to defeat his foes.
If they removed the form cos he was op that’s the point and you had to do more to get it which makes it acceptable to unlock
Still waiting for the Sonic advance 3 review
How would the hyper flash work in 3d?
Probably just kill everything in a big radius around sonic. You could essentially make the directional dash functionality simply power up Sonic’s existing double jump and air dash moves.
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Hyper sonic returning is a very cool idea and it even inhances the story from being that the threat is so powerful that hyper sonic needs to come back and that’s something that sega has ALL the rights to because goku can’t go multicoloured back then I still can’t so sega has the right to that form if dragon ball doesn’t care about a form they made being shown in cinema then sega due to the points I made earlier have the total rights to hyper form and that’s just some extra money that they are not trying to get like it is so cool
sonic forces: am i a joke to you?
Basically Super Sonic would be Devil Trigger and Hyper would be Sin Devil Trigger
To bring Hyper Sonic back, Sonic Team needs to create enemy so powerful that he/she/it eclips all Sonic villains/enemies/bosses. Yes that includes Solaris, Enerjak, Dark gaia, and many powerful reality warper.
In short: That enemy has to be omnipotent being and extremey overpowered and must have deep lore.
Hasn't the end already proven itself to be?
If there are 2 things I want to come back in some way they are Hyper Sonic and Fleetway Super Sonic
THE MOON COULD HAVE BEEN CREATED, AND ALMOST KILL HIM! HE FLASHES BACK TO SONIC 3 AND HE USES THE ENERGY TO CHAOS CONTROL TO ANGEL ISLAND, AND SONIC AND KNUCKLES COULD RECITE THE THING! (THE SERVERS!) BIG LIGHT, MASTER EMERALD ALMOST SHATTERS, AND THE SUPER EMERALDS ARE BORN! HE ABSORBS THEM ALL, BIG BEAM OF LIGHT, AND HYPER SONIC! 10 MINUTE MOON BATTLE, (Only with Sonic, no sage,)BLAST STRUGGLE, SONIC ALMOST LOOSES, THEN SUDDENLY, HYPER KNUCKLES! THE MASTER EMERALD SHATTERS,SONIC WINS, But dies....BUT SAGE REVIVES HIM AND USES ALL HER POWER TO DO SO AND dies. They go back home, eggman contemplates about his actions and decides to have his good moments more frequently. Then the last cutscene plays out as normal! The end!
Is everyone forgetting about the fact that continued use of the super form can cause someone to disappear?
I don't think that's true. If you're talking about Shadow, that was a unique circumstance.
BIG purple emeralds
Hold on, did you mean to make that "Hard Times" reference with ice Cap at the beginning of the video?
That is godlike if so.
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@@Garrulous64 Okay I appreciate that, but boy does that still leave me wondering XD
It was on purpose, yeah
to me, the real reason they got rid of hyper sonic is because he's way too over powered. I need hyper to came back.
well this was practically update 3
For the end they should've bring back hyper sonic since it is sonics most powerful form
I think the solution is easy. Just make hyper sonic the final boss fight form. Having super sonic in normal gameplay is interesting, but it diminishes sonics normal power and discourages the player doing anything out of super sonic. I'm thinking completing the game gives the ability to play as super sonic in normal gameplay, and 100 percenting the game give you hyper. Idk man
Personally i think that if Hyper Sonic where going to come back we need a boss who can beat Super Sonic
Have another *sonic gets injured* plot like frontiers did and make it so that Super has a strict time limit and is used kind of like a devil trigger maybe? Frontiers combat was basically DMC for babies
Sega said they dont want sonic to have too many forms lime a specific anime (dragon ball)
But look at this super,dark,darkspine, Excalibur,werehog,fleetway,ultra,hyper etc
Sonic has more forms than goku now
See, the thing is, as much as we're hoping that Hyper comes back, i just dont think it's a good idea
A few reasons to this -
1 . we've seen what Super is capable of now, so if we're using Hyper, we're talking literal godlike headgehog form, like... a boosted up form of Super Sonic thats so much more powerful it makes Super sonic look like childs play. he's damn near invincible in that form, the only thing that would hinder his abilities is the timer of losing rings, and we've yet to see if he can be knocked back and get staggered by attacks. So if everything is upon Sonic's favor, the fight would end so easily there'd be no challenge and it'd be unfair to the enemy
2. There is an expression that something can get too powerful, therefore, where do you go next? Hyper sonic is more or less the "ultimate" form of the entire transformation roster, so if he's present, there'd be little reason to try and top it off with another more powerful form if there is any that exist
3. See, since Hyper is basically Sonic as a godlike being with immeasrable power, there has to be an enemy thats just as or slightly more powerful than him, not only that - they gotta put them in the story in a way that doesnt feel forced or convuluted, how is that even posssible?
4. I feel Hyper Sonic is a case of "being too powerful" - because if we're talking about gameplay, there wouldnt be much challenge, nor there would be much of a threat going against Hyper if he can just wipe the floor with any enemy
5. This isnt Dragon Ball, this is Sonic - yes the two series has had numerous similiarities, but even the developers doesnt want Sonic to have things like "super sonic 2" or "Ultra Sonic" - you know?
I think he was gotten rid of cause the flashing is making me feel sick.
Sonic and Super Sonic should be regular gameplay and Hyper Sonic should be Titans boss battles
This may be a hot take but... Eggman should not be THE villain of the next game, after getting his daughter back... he is tired of being "evil", (he will still run MANY of the worlds corporations secretly from the top still, he already controls the world in that regard explaining his MASSIVE wealth) sure he's still greedy as Jeff Bezos, but Robotnic is tired... at heart he is a creator. after failing to create HIS perfect world, a world without war... without the need of individual thought, only having one mind to thrust his world into prosperity... to create his utopic city and have it NOT be destroyed in a day. Being so prideful in himself he thought his best creation would be... to create the perfect world. Witnessing the fall of the ancients, a race that achieved what he had not... just to be destroyed by a living force of nature, and then seeing said force KILL his daughter. Ivo realized something, if that THING comes back, and it probably will... there will be no world to control, Sage & Sonic couldn't have killed it just like that, a whole race of beings that created tools that could stand toe to toe with super sonic couldn't destroy it... only capture it, and now it's free. Now he's using all his "manpower" to study just what it was, to see if HE could succeed where the ancients failed, pulling all of his resources from around Mobius to CREATE his magnum opus, THE perfect weapon, THE perfect tool, to destroy The-End. Sonic being Sonic sees all this movement as "another one of Eggman's schemes He must stop" but even Sonic is confused at how fast Eggman moved on from the Starfall Islands, especially after the apparent death of Sage, but it couldn't hurt to stop a scheme in the making... Could It?
I feel like bringing hipersonic back its a bad idea(for now), better if they keep improbing the super sonic formula and THEN use it as a últimate form of power