Understanding the Circle of THIRDS
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- Опубліковано 23 чер 2024
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Relevant Lessons:
➢ 16 Practical Applications of the Circle of 5ths: • 16 Practical Applicati...
➢ Chord Construction Basics: • The 3 Most Important T...
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Timestamps:
0:00 - Lesson Intro
1:02 - Formation of the Circle
5:14 - 7th Chords
7:57 - Extensions
11:05 - Modes
13:05 - New Key Signature
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Enjoy!
I just wanted to point out that the "extended" diatonic chords aren't quite as pretty as shown in this video. For example the 3rd chord in 9th form in the key of C actually becomes an Em(b9) and the 4th chord in 11th form becomes an Fmaj7#11...For the sake of keeping things "beginner friendly", I left the #'s and b's (where applicable) out of the extended chord names 😀
Nothing ruined music but friendly
I agree with Brian that the Circle of Fifths is more practical but this Circle of Thirds really helps me understand better how chords are constructed; nice one 😊
I agree, but not just chords, the circle of thirds provides a very easy visual of the modes as well. I had not heard of the Co3rds before this post. Thanks Brian.
Ricky Comiskey is other on line teacher that did the Circle of Thirds video some time ago. I also follow him as his style of teaching is excellent like Brian’s. The circle of thirds is great for a quick reference for chord extension (7th, 9th, 11th etc)… thanks for putting your twist on it Brian.. always good to refresh and look at things from a difficult perspective… plink on!
This really helps me figuring note of the 7th chords and beyond, also I was able to trace it in the circle of 5ths....nice!
Not sure why this concept never occurred to me. Thank you sir!
I use the notes on the TREBLE CLEF as a memory aid to all this - Every Good Boy Deserves Favour (the notes EGBDF on the staff lines) and FACE - the notes between the lines (this has stuck with me since primary school). I sharpen or flatten as appropriate - I've found that this part really helps to fully understand the whole chord building process.
Eyup! Shout out to Rickey! I also follow him online. Zombie Guitar has given me most of my theory training and helped me to achieve some life goals that I thought were impossible. I am a life member and during Covid I completed every one of Brian's classes both on the Zombie site and all UA-cams. I continue to enjoy Brain's new stuff and often go back to the site for a refresher. Ricky has a lot of little ways to remember things and has also give me some AH-HA moments!
You're right Brian, this is pretty cool.
Thanks, Brian. Very pertinent as always.
I’d never heard of it before either. This should be good.
Excellent as always, thankyou.
Love all the different examples you provide! So helpful!
Thank a lot
It helps me to understand cord structure better 👍🙏
Great lesson! Light bulbs went off in my head.
I've previously seen the video you referenced - it didn't quite click at the time. While watching your video, there was a eureka moment while watching the 7ths section and again in the 9ths section. Thank you!
Bravo... I found it easy to see the modes and how the 7th (th and even 13 .. Thank you master Brian Kelly..
Pretty interesting. Seems like this would be more popular in learning chords.
It's literally just a Major scale. Probably the first thing most music teachers tackle on day one.
But here the Major scale is wrapped around a circle.
@@alex-esc well it's a bit more than that. It's not in the regular order for a start.
David Becker has a book "Getting your improvising into shape" and you can find some UA-cam videos He said for A minor scale you need to raise the 7th tone a half step (G to G#) to give you an E7 for the V chord This is also known as the Harmonic Minor
The harmonic minor scale has a raised 7th. The natural minor scale has a flat 7th. Both are great scales to use 😀
Yes very good and through explication of stacking 3rds.
I learned from this the Maj min Maj structures of the crd arpeggios that allows a 2 note per string approach to arpeggios.
Also solidified many other things. You're nailing such important concepts ... best
Makes more sense on piano than guitar. Amazing !
I like it. You are right that it isn’t as useful as the circle of 5ths, but it still gets some points across very well.
This is an awesome lesson. Thanks for putting it together and it appears so logical when seen visually. Thank you for going much farther to include the extended chords. Hearing the arpeggiated tones was also an added benefit. Bravo, Bravo.
Good lesson for us to make chords easily
I started watching. Was skeptical.. then you got to th 7 chord .. and I finally understand the diminished.
Eyup!! Ricky is a cool dude! I'm interested in your take on this as well.
This video was very clear as I like to think that I understand the "basics" of chord construction, but the pinned comment raised questions in my head.
"the 3rd chord in 9th form in the key of C actually becomes an Em(b9)"
Cmaj9 => CEGBD (M3rd, m3rd, M3rd and m3rd) (distance between notes discribed around the circle)
Dm9 => DFAGE (m3rd, M3rd, m3rd and M3rd)
E??? => EGBDF (m3rd, M3rd, m3rd and m3rd)
Does this mean that a m9 chord goes by the formula (m3rd, M3rd, m3rd and M3rd) (2nd chord) and since the 3rd chord has this formula (m3rd, M3rd, m3rd and m3rd) it becomes m(b9), just like M3rd + m3rd => major chord and m3rd + M3rd => minor chord and m3rd + m3rd => diminished chord??
In other words, a chord gets its name based upon the 3rds that are stacked.
M => 1 3 5 => M m
m =>1 b3 5 => m M
maj7 => 1 3 5 7 => M m M
min7 => 1 b3 7 b7 => m M m
7 => 1 3 5 b7 => M m m
maj9 => 1 3 5 7 9 => M m M m
min9 => 1 b3 5 b7 9 => m M m M
9 => 1 3 5 b7 9 => M m m M
At 8 minutes into the video (Extensions), should you not have named the 3rd chord Em(b9) rather than Em9?
I now like to think that my understanding of chords has gone up a notch, thanks to you.
Great video! Thank you.
Vincent
Hey Vincent...you've basically got everything down, except for just 1 thing...
Let's take the Em9 vs. Em(b9)
In semitones we have:
1.) m9 chord: 1 - b3 - 5 - b7 - 9
2.) m(b9) chord: 1 - b3 - 5 - b7 - b9
With the actual notes:
1.) Em9: E - G - B - D - F#
2.) Em(b9): E - G - B - D - F
The distance between D and F# is a major 3rd, but the distance between D and F is a minor 3rd.
If I would have tried to fit all of this extra explanation into the video, it would have gotten too long. So I just simplified it instead!
@@zombieguitar Thank you for the quick reply. This all makes sense to me now, thank you very much!
Just one thing that I'd like to confirm: the 3rd diatonic 9th chord should be m(b9) and not m9 as written in your video, @minute 8. Is that correct?
Thank you for these great videos, and for sharing your passion for music with us all.
Here is something I found on the web:
Diatonic 9th Chords in C Major
9 D E F G A B C
7 B C D E F G A
5 G A B C D E F
3 E F G A B C D
1 C D E F G A B
Name: Cmaj9 Dmin9 Emin7b9 Fmaj9 G9 Amin9 Bm7b5b9
Thanks again.
Vincent
I am subscribed to Ricky- EYUP- haha- Between you and Ricky I learned alot just two different minds of thought you both give me that Barts DAD moment- DOH- with your lessons haha there is another with the Chords in a key Minor and Major where he calls it the L7 Grid which is awesome but he does not post much anymore most of the vids are old- you are more extensive in your lessons and explain in terms anyone can understand like I said before you are one of the best Ricky is numer 2 lol! Love your lessons Brian thanks for all of your hard work!
wish I could give you more than 1 thumbs up
even though I knew this, in the back of my head
you explained it so clearly that it makes more sense
Thanks Juan! Glad to hear the video was helpful 😃
Another link in the chain that helps the mind unconsciously gain the full theory experience. I think. 😂. Thanks again Brian. Well explained as usual.
Until watching your video, I could not understand why the 5th of the harmonic major scale was a dominant chord as opposed to a major chord. I know it sounded better (to me) when played as a dominant but I did not think about counting the interval distance of the added 7th.
Great lesson. Great channel. Thank you Brian.
I would like to know which graphics program you use to create this lesson please.
Thanks man! I use Affinity Designer for all of my images, and then Vegas movie studio for the video editing 😀
maybe it can apply to augmented scales
it doesnt change much from actually seeing the scales horizontally and writing the thirds under each degree
You're right. It is a cool chart though 😁
I count up four frets From C note and get F not E..just learning guitar..help me to understand anyone
I stand corrected now…I did not considering intervals
I'm guessing you couldn't play all the notes in a 13th chord anyway, since there are only six strings?
That's where the rules of chord construction come into play! ua-cam.com/video/mj6jVzcWRUw/v-deo.html
Brian I love your Guitar tutorials But your music theory is not always fully Transparent The Circle of Thirds doesn’t demonstrate Ninth extensions accurately this is because Eminor 9th does not come from the scale of C Major it comes from the G Major scale which contains the F# it needs to create Eminor 9th.
An E chord that does fit the C Major scale that has 5 notes is E7sus4(b9) E,A,B, D,F.
Therefore I would not recommend using the Circle of thirds beyond 7ths.
Thank you for your Valuable Guitar Tutorials.
Best ,V
Yup you are right. The diatonic chord would be an Em(b9). I didn't want to bring this up because I didn't want to spend time explaining why it was a 'b9' in this video and get off track. I do have a few other videos where I talk specifically about the 2/9 interval, and I talk about the b9 in those videos. Here is one of them: ua-cam.com/video/qf-aVkLGdG4/v-deo.html
Thank You for Acknowledging my Observation I had Never heard of or used the Circle or thirds before in my Opinion understanding the Circle of 4ths and 5ths with the ring of 6ths inside like you use is all anyone would ever need if they took a little time to digest it’s brilliance.
I still favour the E7sus4(b9) over Em7(b9) as it is IMO far more versatile and introduces you to world of Phrygian Dominant which is never a bad thing.
Brian I was taught all the 7th chord Formulas (1357’s)very early on then I was taught (246’s) become the extensions of the 7ths as 9 11 and 13’s with the Rule ONLY 11ths with 7ths that have a b3’s and omit the 11th when playing a 13th.
I think this would make a Great lesson and your Style would do it Justice the the Circle of Thirds would have its use then - to learn the 7ths.
Not trying to tell you how to do you Job just remembering my Father he was a Great teacher of Music Theory but I was too interested in Soccer, Sinorita’s and Smoking to be his Pupil.
He finally stopped trying when I was about 15 if only…
Best, V
I doubt if this will replace the circle of fifths, but...Lol
So many notes, but only 5 fingers! ha