Jeff I’ve been a trainer for over 15 years and you are by far the best at explaining the prong collar. I commend you for passing the good word around so more pet parents aren’t misinformed by the purely positive camp/Petsmart / Petco.. When the prong collar is used the proper way it is by far one of the most effective tools and I believe it has saved tons of dogs. 🙏 Thank you Nick
Angela Boyette Have you ever put a Herm Sprenger around your neck or thigh and used it properly to see how it feels? When used properly, it actually does not hurt. I just got one for my dog and tried it out. Did not hurt. It actually distributed the pressure a whole lot better than a flat collar.
Angela Boyette these collars are not abusive. A dog only gets injured with one of these if it is placed improperly or the handler is abusive in how they train.
@@Sandy33569 I need to get one if these for my Lab. She's 6 months old now and pulls real hard on the flat leash and is at serious risk of permanently injuring her trachea. I've just now started the loose leash training and it's not going well with the regular collars. I believe a properly sized prong collar will allow me to easily signal the dog with the slightest tug.
I recently adopted a 2 yr old Staffie from my local animal control. She had a cough even being heart worm neg. and no kennel cough or heart condition. I figured it had to be because she was wearing a flat buckle collar when she was found. I got a Harry Springer prong collar, watched several videos on fit and started her on one. Coughing STOPPED within a few days. She has not coughed since. (3 months). It is a true joy to now walk her!!!!
My friend has a small tiny dog who literally coughs and sometimes even starts choking cause he is wearing a flat collar and pulling and going everywhere he wants I been telling her to get him a harness so it doesn't hurt his throat but eh she is still keeping that flat collar on him
I was at one point completely against prong collars, I had seen my grandparents who used one as their dogs constant collar,but seeing someone effectively and correctly use one, in a non abusive way and not leaving the collar on the dog I realized it can help more than it hurts.
Tell me again how choking your dog isn't abusive? I guess all these animal behaviour scientists are wrong because some dumb bitch looks with her eyes and not her head.
This helped me so much. I have a standard poodle who is reactive, and I only weigh 100 lbs. I have tried everything else in a collar, harness, or leader. I just needed to know how to fit and use the prong collar correctly. Will Atherton helped with the use and you with the fit! Thank you from me and Raven!
Just look at the dog's reaction at the sound of the prong collar! He loves it! I'm getting mine tomorrow for my 6 mnth old teenage amstaff rescue dog, who was never socialised and ignores me when startled. No aggression or pulling just being a very strong stubborn 4-legged teenager.
Thank you so much! I have been using it wrong this whole time! People commenting on my videos and messaging me. I knew they were all right, I just didn’t know the correct way!! 🐾
Thank you so so much! I always thought only lazy or mean people used the prong collar! Until I rescued my dog from being put down! Ive had her a year and some days still pulls bad and I caved in and bought a prong collar. Still I wouldn't use it till thank God I ran across your video!! Ty again
I am trying to become a dog trainer and I have never used a prong collar on my dogs including my service dog and because of that I'm here trying to educate myself, thank you so much for this video
Just bought a prong collar for my dog, she’s so energetic, which is fun when playing but not very fun on walks, (before anyone screams at me, my vet RECOMMENDED WE GET ONE)
I just adopted an18 months old Australian Shepherd, he's very energetic compared to my 15 yr old Aussie who passed away recently, she was old and suffered from arthritis. This new puppy is learning quick to play fetch with the frisbee, he's a great companion. During our morning walk, he launches at squirrels, and we have a lot of them around where I live. I just ordered from your web site a Keeper collar hidden prong with snap. After watching this video, I'm looking forward to use it during my walk. I just sub to your channel, I will watch a few more videos.
Everyone going on about harming the dog. Remember- dogs hide isn’t like human skin. Especially around their necks. It’s very thick. I have a massive wolf hybrid that would pull very hard- after 5 days of training w a well sized prong- he stopped pulling. Now he’s on a slip- after he’s gotten good w the slip, we will go to harness. He went from a terror on walks to an angel-
The difference between canine and human skin. ... Canine epidermis has a turnover rate of 20 days compared to humans which occurs approximately every 28 days. The epidermis of a dog is 3-5 cells thick however in humans it is at least 10-15 cells thick. That's what every scientific source I've found says.. which clearly states that the skin around a dog's neck is actually 3 times thinner than a humans.. hm.. interesting, huh?
And German shepherds are stronger cause mine saved me from a wolf dog and killed it cause german shepherds are stronger smarter have stronger jaws and more better
Dogs have three less dermal layers than humans, including their necks. you have no business having that kind of animal if you cant train and take care of it properly.
Another advantage to the keeper collars is it keeps you from having to listen to lectures from people who think you're abusing your dog with a torture instrument. VBG.
@Ms. Tal "dog experts" you mean trained professionals? Name one credible trainer, or behaviourist that believes positive punishment is appropriate in any capacity. I'll wait.
@@kamiwilson3615 isn't that Leerburg itself? An organization of experienced and reputable dog trainers. You could look at their website or channel to see more clips of trainers
@@manonathompson8140 none of them are certified trainers that do the required continued education. They're a company that sells aversives and lies to the public. It's sad that it's 2020 and you still don't know what a good dog trainer is.
@@kamiwilson3615 I am here to learn. I'd rather never use a prong collar but I think it's important to know. You're attacking people instead of providing information or resources as good alternatives. It's like punishing a dog for a behavior before they learn how to do it right. If you have favorite trainers that disapprove of prong collars, I would be happy to read. However, YOU would not be enjoyable to learn from.
@@manonathompson8140 my favourite trainers don't use aversives, but the get their information from studies conducted by behaviour scientists. These are easily accessible online. Its not my job to provide you with easily accessible information. If you already know that prongs are wrong I don't see why you're making such a fuss.
I have a class I attend with my dog. & the prong collar slips down to the base of his neck. I didn’t think much of it. But seeing you describe proper function in this video helped. Thank you. I can’t wait to walk the dog tomorrow
Great video, here in the north of Italy most of the people want to use pure positive training.. no correction at all! The problem is that few dogs can walk on leash and can really enjoy a relaxing walk. I tried a prong collar at night so nobody can see me walking with my dog... after few days I began using a slip collar and my dog walks very well now. I think in a few week the pulling problem will be solved. That's my experience... and I can say my dog has never felt harmed or scared. She apreciated and the prong made her make more intellingent answers instead of pulling.
I have 2 dogs. 1) Harley. She used to pull until I started using headcollars on her which worked really well. 2) Maisey. She has never pulled on a leash so I used front clip harnesses for her to keep pressure of her neck. Then we look at my moms dog Piper. IVE TRIED EVERYTHING. Basically every type of harness- front clip, back clip, step in, and the ones that tighten around their stomach when they pull. Ive tried basically every type of collar- flat collar, martingale, chain martingale, chokers, and headcollars. One day, I got curious. I went to the petstore (as a prong collar hater aka misinformed on prong collars) and put a -loose- prong collar on her. I walked her around the store, NO PULLING! It was amazing. I currently have a prong collar being shipped to my house. I think most people look at these collars and think that they look like a torture device. I thought that until I did some research. Don't know the point of this comment except don't judge a book by its cover unless the title is something bad :)
Very helpful video. Thank you. My girl is walking much more peacefully because we’ve finally got clear communication, especially when prey drive kicks in.
I wish he would talk about the quick release prong collar because you don't need to pinch the prongs on and off but the backup collar is absolutely needed because the quick release can come undone on accident.
I'm a dog trainer. I tend to lean more towards positive reinforcement based training. BUT, if I have exhausted all other options, I will condition a dog to a prong collar. It has to be Herm Sprenger. No substitutions. And it must be fitted high and tight and always used with a backup. I'm a dog trainer who learns from experience. I'm a dog trainer whose opinions are constantly evolving. I'm a dog trainer who wants people to be able to enjoy their dogs. I'm a dog trainer who would much rather have a dog wear a prong collar, than not be able to be taken on walks. I'm a dog trainer for the dogs.
I've got a fox red working line lab,a hyper reactive one very environment driven. He's about 1.5 years old now and we had a harness to start with along with his collar(still.have his first one safe and away) We then moved to the slip lead and he still pulled, eventually we have found a trainer who has been just awesome in getting us find his food motivation and stop the pulling and environmental reactions. He took him in to fast track the training and gauge an understanding on how flynn takes to things and quickly understood we had no way to go but the prong collar. It literally arrived yesterday and having used it twice he is perfect and doesn't have a single issue walking! His food motivation is up and all this in the space of 3 weeks with 2 or 3 sessions training and a couple days in boarding it has gone better than we ever thought it would all because the prong collar does its job! Now we've got the basic stage of him walking beautifully we've got the 10m lead for his exposure levels to get him more understanding of the limits we have for him. I wasn't so sure nor understanding on prong collars and didn't have much opinion but having used it on my pup I 100% approve of them being used correctly and long as its the correct size for him. He is a very happy boy and doesn't hate it! Infact he actually sits better to let me fit it than he ever would a slip lead or harness!
Great video, kept it real! I think the prong collar works very well on my 6 month old American Staffy! She was very calm when having it on! Not scared or hyper . Great device for training a overly excited pup leash manners!
This is super helpful and informative! Plus, having Sonny on camera is always fun. Not just a great demonstration of how to fit a prong, but also of how they're really not painful (look at that wagging tail! he's not even drawing away)
@@kamzalot3 that's not true at all. There have been thousands of studies detailing the body language the dogs display when exposed to aversives. There's not a single peer reviewed study that has concluded that these collars are safe, humane, or effective. I pity your dogs. May they have a competent owner in the next life.
Kami Wilson my *dog and I don’t use a prong on him (yet?) anyways have you not seen people use it on themselves ??? This is evidence right here it’s not rocket science
@@kamiwilson3615 there are plenty of studies showing how these are actually one of the SAFEST tools to use out there. ._. Do your research before making comments on things you don't ACTUALLY understand
I meant to also thank you about the leash my dad gave me one and for the life of me could not figure out those two leash hooks so funny now but dad couldn't remember what it was for he has dementia but he insisted I take it and now I know how I can use it thanks so much for your video I can't wait to tell my dad and have her wear it over there thank you
I love this video! Thank you so much. My dog was trained years ago and the collar just wasn't working anymore. I know after watching this video that it was getting too loose. We are back on track and he's happy walking now
Good vid on how to use a Prong right, I have never had to use a Prong on any of my dogs in the past. But i picked up year and half old Husky that has had 5 owners that pulls like a freight train. I might try one out after learn more on them and how to use them.
Thank you so much didn’t realize I was doing this wrong once again thank you for not like bashing them or stuff you made it so clear thank you so so much!! Edit: as you can see my dogs a husky so he pulls a lot and I don’t use it abusivly he is my service dog in training lol
I’ve been watching multiple vids on prongs like how to fit and choose correct gauges. And how to correct the dog without harming them I’m doing as much research before I get one for my dog Bc I got him a couple months ago and he’s 2 and he wasn’t trained at all or fed he was underweight but he’s healthy now and learning he’s a smart dog
So with my Aussie, when i first put the prong on, it will stay snugly fit for a good few minutes. After a while, it will just sink back down to the base of her neck. If I add another ring on, its too loose but if I take one away, it's too tight. Would I possibly be doing something wrong? Her coat is thick but cared for so im not really sure how it's sliding down all the time.
mine does this too in a way - not sure I it is right fit as feels a bit tight but too loose otherwise....I have the quick release type so maybe that's not good
I have same problem with my Dobe. It fits snug but 30 seconds into the walk it comes down where I don't want it on the neck. It just won't stay high up, which leads to more pulling once she's excited.
Amazing video, thank you! Does anyone know where a Herm Sprenger keeper collar can be found in the UK? I can only find the traditional prong collars and I'd feel much more confident with the keeper. It looks like I could buy it from the US and have it shipped, but the shipping is crazy expensive!
Good morning! I’ve been using an HS 2.25mm Stainless Steel martingale prong collar for about 3yrs now with my 30lbs Staffordshire Bull Terrier and it works very very well. For performance and aesthetics, I’d like transition him wear an HS Neck Tech Sport (non-martingale) in Black Matte. 1. Is there a noticeable difference in correction performance between a standard HS martingale prong collar vs. an HS Neck Tech Sport (non-martingale)? 2. I currently back-up my standard HS prong collar with a flat collar. Does the HS Neck Tech Sport require a backup collar? 3. If so, I am interested in backing up the Neck Tech Sport collar with the Neck Tech Fun collar in the same finish, is this advisable or is a dominant dog collar more appropriate? Cheers!
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I was more so hoping the actual sizing of the prongs themselves would be addressed as well. Like how there are different sized mm ones. I know he kind of touched on it when he spoke about the microprongs and using them on larger dogs, but how do you know what individual prong size would be right?
Just bought a prong collar today. The guy at pet co told me the exact opposite 🤦🏻♀️ he said the collar should be at the bottom of the neck. So I’m taking out prongs and figuring this out. Also I got dirty looks from chicks with pocket pooches.
I love Petco and their people are helpful but I still take what they say, do my own research (like you obviously did) and make sure they know what they talking about too!
I give snotty people with pocket pooches (pugs, frenchies, chihuahuas) a pitying smile. If they actually vocalize their disgust about my ‘cruel collar’ I merely point out the collar comes off, but their dogs facial deformities are for life.
CM I wanted to love my 2 hounds harness but our dog kept slipping out of them even with 1 finger tightening - he would croc roll around and then get free.
Our dog seems to have Houdini abilities but we love him anyway. We found he would try to wriggle out of a martingale collar too. The prong he doesn’t try to do it with when training or walking. And wears a flat buckle collar with tags the rest of the time with no issue. Everyone is different so finding the tool that helps is key
If the collar is fit correctly, the collar does NOT pinch. It POKES. Again, the skin is NOT pinched! Take your dog's collar and affix it around your own leg. Choose a section of your leg (i.e., your calf) that is approximately the same circumference as your dog's neck. (If you have a very small dog, use your arm to do this test.) Then, gently pull up on the D-ring, simulating a correction that you would give your dog, and notice what happens to the prongs. They tighten up against your leg (representing the dog's neck). They do NOT pinch your leg. There are a lot of excellent videos on selecting, fitting, and using a prong collar. Please check out more than just this video.
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hello i got a question, i have a herm sprenger prong collar, I fit it tight and snug on my dogs neck. is it normal for the prong collar to over time drop down below the neck?
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Question: How do I know if the fit it too tight? I have a GD pup 9 months old, prong collar helps a lot but, her neck size seems to be "in between" links. If I add a link it rolls, but if I dont add one it looks so tight that she couldnt swallow if she needs to (just an example I know she can). Note: before I turn it to where prongs are on bottom.
Y’all gotta get on the same page about the terminology for leash/collar pressure. Some like you are calling it a correction, but isn’t it the negative reinforcement quadrant of operant conditioning, because the pressure is removed when and only when they achieve the position you want them to sustain?
Hi do you ever find the prong collars to slide down after corrections and the dog pulling? Or am I right to think it needs to be a snug fit right at the top of the neck so it doesn't slide down? Mine starts at the top but then drops down a little ( mid neck) from time to time so I have to stop and pull the prong back up. I was thinking if it's too tight up top then it's possibly on auto correction and constant connection, or am I overthinking it?
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Here is kind of the issue I am having. I get the prong on my dog and it feels snug. Its a little hard to move it around. Then during a walk it moves down. Not all the way to where her flat collar sits but its not in the orignal spot. Being a husky mix with her thick fur it can be hard to adjust it back up
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What do you do if you need a a half size larger? I have a 2.5mm, but taking links out makes it a bit too tight and leaving the link the collar slips down.
How do you feel about the quick release herm sprenger dog collar. I recently go tthe "dodge the drag" prong collar and has the quick release. Do you think the quick release effects the correction action?
We actually sell quick release kits where you can buy a quick release buckle to put on a prong collar. With these just have you replace the herm sprenger plate with the buckle. It doesn't affect the correction as the prongs will still distribute the pressure around the neck. leerburg.com/smallprong-easysnap-kit.php
I have my prong at the right height(behind the ears) and its snug. If you can get the prong over your dogs head it's to big. If the prong stops on the forehead it the right fit. But my problem is that it slips when I have it on my pup. But if I take one more link off it's way to tight. And if I put a link back on it's to lose. Any suggestion.
I have a female German Shepherd I measured her neck it’s 18” what would be the best size to purchase for her? I’m liking the hidden prong collar. 👍🏼 thank you in advance!
Good video! I personally prefer a flat collar as my backup collar. I don't like to choke a nervous or excited dog, and thin slips have been found to be one of the most dangerous to the dog's neck. I think that study (about slips) was done at Lackland AFB. For an experienced dog trainer like those at Leerburg, that may be a different case.
I would like if you made a keeper collar with a metal clasp instead of plastic. Just a suggestion. Love the leash. Have never seen anything like that, really great
I had used harness and collar type on one my dogs but they didn't work as kept pulling. Dog trainer recommended prong collar and gave me some helpful tips. Since then been easier to train the dog to walk with and even few simple command so that helped.
is there a significant difference between a 3.0 mm prong and a 3.2 mm prong? or are they mostly the same size? i’ve been wanting to get my dog a stainless steel prong but herm sprenger only has the 3.2 mm and i don’t know how much bigger it will be than the 3.0 mm prong he has now.
VERY good job gentlemen.... ALL of this misrepresented prong collar information is disheartening. Pet shop employees are seriously scaring me listening to them say how harsh a prong collar is AND that they are for ONLY aggressive breeds? What? Every time I go for crickets I ask about the prong collar, just to see if the info will ever change. Nope, not the past 10 years.
So my year old pittys neck size is 18 inches what size do you suggest for the first collar? I have never been a fan of the prong collars because I feel that it’s cruel. But he is 80 lbs now and pulls me so much, a traitor I met told me to purchase one of these.
How do you know what size prongs to get for your dog? My dog is 70 lbs and has a lab coat (he is a mutt) and I am new to prong collars (looking to get one) and am overwhelmed by the sizes and mm available.
I wish you emphasized which of the three rings to attach the leash to. Many different prong collar videos, almost all show different rings or even last chain link. I’am using the Hermsptringer stainless steel type
what about the quick release? Because of it, there is not as much prong space under chin....thoughts? Also, it feels either too tight or too loose no matter how I adjust it
for the people who think this harms the dog, when he was demonstrating how it works on the dog you could see the dog wagging his tail the whole time he was showing how different sizes would work
I'm very familiar with prongs as I've been trained to use them on my service dogs over the last 15 years. However, they've all been large labs. My family now has a 20lb almost 2yr old mini goldendoodle. I've tried harnesses and headcollars with no success. He's just so energetic and strong that he pulls hard enough to choke himself, even with a chest harness. He's so small though that I'm having trouble sizing the prong collar. He also doesn't have that thick skin the labs do, most likely because he has hair and not fur. Any advice? I understand how the collar should sit when sizing, but how do you know what millimeter prong size you should get? I hear the micro prongs are more severe but he's so small that I feel like the medium sized prong might be too big. Am I correct?
Having the proper tool that helps you communicate with the dog what you want it to do on a walk (heel or follow) rather than lunge ahead is key. These are tools - you wouldn’t use a screwdriver for a job where a wrench is the correct tool.
and honestly, if a prong collar saves your back, all the more reason to use it. You gotta put yourself before your dog. You're useless to your dog if you have a back thats thrown out by a lunging dog.
Very useful as this is one tool I have never used in over 40 years of training dogs. Here in England the purely positive folk are really anti just about everything :( .Lack of education I think .
No tool when correctly used is anything to do with pain. A shovel can kill as can a lead/leash if used incorrectly. I guess you'd prefer seeing a dog run over then use any tool that will teach the dog to make better decisions. Yes I have seen many videos where all training tools are used incorrectly. Used correctly none of these tools cause pain.
I've yet to see a dog out on a prong/pinch collar in the UK and I train dogs here for a living. I can't even remember a time when I've seen a check chain on a dog. It's all flat collars, Martingales and harnesses. I train dogs not to pull using a harness all the time. I don't understand why so many people find it so hard to stop pulling. It's not difficult. I've only ever used a pinch collar on three occasions, once on a great dane who would ignore every other collar, once on a Alapaha who was just too strong and pig headed for anything else to work and a boxer cross. I had all three onto a slip lead in the first session.
How do you know if it is too tight? We have a 45 lb dog and his neck measures 14 inches so we got the herm sprenger 2.25 16 inch and it seems a little too tight. The prongs are sticking into his neck with it just on, before any correction. It is also kind of hard to fasten it as the prongs just barely come together enough to close them. Do you think we should get more links? If so, how many? How can you tell how many?
I know it should be up at the top of the neck but my question is..should it be snug enough to not slide around on its own if dog shakes his head ? New to them and wanted to make sure it's not to snug.. Thanks in advance..very informative video.
Quick question! As the dogs learn and get better at walking on a leash w the prong collar, do they typically keep up this behavior when walking with a regular collar/harness only?
Okay I'm late to the party but what about dogs like English bulldogs who essentially do not have necks 🤣 Do i have to pull his neck fat up or below the collar ? It's kinda funny but I dog sit this thing and have no clue where to put it lol
Super old subscriber, But.. Any tips for a 7 year old great dane with no walk training outside his own yard? The yard is amazingly huge btw His owners are a bit older and haven't been able to walk him as he his too3 strong but my partner and I have tried walking him in the big yard and he still pulls and tries to run and we have no ability to stop him when he does run. We have taught him so far click commands to lay inside and calm down, but outside he rips our arms out trying to hold him in a lead 😂
Emma Marsland hi I have a 118 pound Shiloh Shepherd that can basically pull me anywhere he wants. Start by teaching the heel inside with a prong collar and plenty of treats when he gets it right, steady pressure when you need to correct. Should only take a few seconds of pressure to correct. I ditched the harness my positive only trainers suggested and within a few sessions, no pulling or lunging at other dogs. He walks loose leashed for the majority of our walk without a single correction now.
@@LeerburgDogTraining - Thanks for responding, I saw that but is a longer 6ft better or the 4ft? Do I need the extra 2ft in length or a 4ft that perhaps I can control a bit more. I should have been more descriptive in my first questions.
@@LeerburgDogTraining - By the way, after watching your video, I made this comment, then took my 110 lb on a walk with just a training choke collar. He reacted to two German Sheppards which resulted in my being knocked off my feet and dragged along the asphalt. Prong collar needed, for sure.
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You should select a prong collar based on link size and then add or remove links as needed. We recommend small link prong collars and additional links to get to the 16" measurement you mentioned. You can find our prong collar options here: leerburg.com/prongcollars.htm
i trained for 30 years a slip chain used right works just like a prong. . springer is german. and it is stainles which is best,but you can do the same with a regular chain but you have to keep the dog on one side which the left side is best in side walk walking anyway so it has to be lacec for left side healing. i like it that it can be used inside out like a martimae, so you can heal on either side and prongs are out to protect the dog, pinching the neck is like old school. go to russia a nd train with that stuff or learn the real way and get your agility right. prongs ought never be tight , always loose. for a liht pinch as pssible. some peopel ruined the dogs nerves for using them wrong, you are way in the old times and i am 58 and a professional and worked in military. throw them away and learn to depend on your abilities not pain or pinhing in any way
I mean i use a prong on my standard poodle even though she mostly walks off lead. She's a service dog and a lead interferes with her tasks and puts us both in danger. However if we ARE walking and need to be on lead ((which I can count on one hand how many times that happens)) the prong i find is just..... safer for dogs.
Thank you, Ryan Gosling. I just realized I got the wrong prongs for my dog. Thanks for the tips.
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I just said that while I was watching. 😆
i was thinking the same thing 😆
Jeff I’ve been a trainer for over 15 years and you are by far the best at explaining the prong collar. I commend you for passing the good word around so more pet parents aren’t misinformed by the purely positive camp/Petsmart / Petco.. When the prong collar is used the proper way it is by far one of the most effective tools and I believe it has saved tons of dogs. 🙏 Thank you
Nick
Go you believe these collars are abusive cause guess what choke and prong collars fracture dogs necks and makes them faint
I do
Angela Boyette Have you ever put a Herm Sprenger around your neck or thigh and used it properly to see how it feels? When used properly, it actually does not hurt. I just got one for my dog and tried it out. Did not hurt. It actually distributed the pressure a whole lot better than a flat collar.
Angela Boyette these collars are not abusive. A dog only gets injured with one of these if it is placed improperly or the handler is abusive in how they train.
@@Sandy33569 I need to get one if these for my Lab. She's 6 months old now and pulls real hard on the flat leash and is at serious risk of permanently injuring her trachea. I've just now started the loose leash training and it's not going well with the regular collars. I believe a properly sized prong collar will allow me to easily signal the dog with the slightest tug.
Why does he look like Ryan goslin
i was JUST gonna say that after like 30 seconds into the video
Honestly it's just lucky for him. If the cute puppy doesn't work on the ladies, the look alike will
My very first thought lol
These collars are evil I’ve rescued somany dogs having those collars they fractured dogs neck bones how dare him!!!
Angela Boyette That's when it's improperly used by idiots.
I recently adopted a 2 yr old Staffie from my local animal control. She had a cough even being heart worm neg. and no kennel cough or heart condition. I figured it had to be because she was wearing a flat buckle collar when she was found. I got a Harry Springer prong collar, watched several videos on fit and started her on one. Coughing STOPPED within a few days. She has not coughed since. (3 months). It is a true joy to now walk her!!!!
My friend has a small tiny dog who literally coughs and sometimes even starts choking cause he is wearing a flat collar and pulling and going everywhere he wants I been telling her to get him a harness so it doesn't hurt his throat but eh she is still keeping that flat collar on him
I was at one point completely against prong collars, I had seen my grandparents who used one as their dogs constant collar,but seeing someone effectively and correctly use one, in a non abusive way and not leaving the collar on the dog I realized it can help more than it hurts.
Isn't education great?
how? isn't the harness painful for the dog if he/she pulls like a demon?
dogsrock9120 no it is not if used properly a harness or normal collar can cause alot of damage
Tell me again how choking your dog isn't abusive? I guess all these animal behaviour scientists are wrong because some dumb bitch looks with her eyes and not her head.
Simone Greco pressure doesn’t equal pain
I just got my girl a prong collar best thing I ever did no more pulling and she gets more walks now !!
I just started at a dog boarding and training place so I am learning to use these on my own girls at home!
No way I'm gonna hurt my 🐕 dog
@@mssddee5483 not if you are trained properly on how to use it you wont.
@@mssddee5483 if you know how to use it you wouldn't hurt your dog you need to be trained
My mum doesn’t like the prong how does it not hurt the dog
This helped me so much. I have a standard poodle who is reactive, and I only weigh 100 lbs. I have tried everything else in a collar, harness, or leader. I just needed to know how to fit and use the prong collar correctly. Will Atherton helped with the use and you with the fit! Thank you from me and Raven!
Just look at the dog's reaction at the sound of the prong collar! He loves it! I'm getting mine tomorrow for my 6 mnth old teenage amstaff rescue dog, who was never socialised and ignores me when startled. No aggression or pulling just being a very strong stubborn 4-legged teenager.
Thank you so much! I have been using it wrong this whole time! People commenting on my videos and messaging me. I knew they were all right, I just didn’t know the correct way!! 🐾
Thank you so so much! I always thought only lazy or mean people used the prong collar! Until I rescued my dog from being put down! Ive had her a year and some days still pulls bad and I caved in and bought a prong collar. Still I wouldn't use it till thank God I ran across your video!! Ty again
I am trying to become a dog trainer and I have never used a prong collar on my dogs including my service dog and because of that I'm here trying to educate myself, thank you so much for this video
Not all trainers use them. But it's a great to have as an option, when used correctly. Good luck to you in your studies.
Just bought a prong collar for my dog, she’s so energetic, which is fun when playing but not very fun on walks, (before anyone screams at me, my vet RECOMMENDED WE GET ONE)
I just adopted an18 months old Australian Shepherd, he's very energetic compared to my 15 yr old Aussie who passed away recently, she was old and suffered from arthritis. This new puppy is learning quick to play fetch with the frisbee, he's a great companion. During our morning walk, he launches at squirrels, and we have a lot of them around where I live. I just ordered from your web site a Keeper collar hidden prong with snap. After watching this video, I'm looking forward to use it during my walk. I just sub to your channel, I will watch a few more videos.
Everyone going on about harming the dog. Remember- dogs hide isn’t like human skin. Especially around their necks. It’s very thick. I have a massive wolf hybrid that would pull very hard- after 5 days of training w a well sized prong- he stopped pulling. Now he’s on a slip- after he’s gotten good w the slip, we will go to harness. He went from a terror on walks to an angel-
Danny Greene same with my dog,he stopped pulling.
The difference between canine and human skin. ... Canine epidermis has a turnover rate of 20 days compared to humans which occurs approximately every 28 days. The epidermis of a dog is 3-5 cells thick however in humans it is at least 10-15 cells thick. That's what every scientific source I've found says.. which clearly states that the skin around a dog's neck is actually 3 times thinner than a humans.. hm.. interesting, huh?
You know I have been rescuing dogs from those collars and there very bad and hurts dogs makes them faint and can shock there necks
And German shepherds are stronger cause mine saved me from a wolf dog and killed it cause german shepherds are stronger smarter have stronger jaws and more better
Dogs have three less dermal layers than humans, including their necks. you have no business having that kind of animal if you cant train and take care of it properly.
Another advantage to the keeper collars is it keeps you from having to listen to lectures from people who think you're abusing your dog with a torture instrument. VBG.
@Ms. Tal "dog experts" you mean trained professionals? Name one credible trainer, or behaviourist that believes positive punishment is appropriate in any capacity. I'll wait.
@@kamiwilson3615 isn't that Leerburg itself? An organization of experienced and reputable dog trainers. You could look at their website or channel to see more clips of trainers
@@manonathompson8140 none of them are certified trainers that do the required continued education. They're a company that sells aversives and lies to the public. It's sad that it's 2020 and you still don't know what a good dog trainer is.
@@kamiwilson3615 I am here to learn. I'd rather never use a prong collar but I think it's important to know. You're attacking people instead of providing information or resources as good alternatives. It's like punishing a dog for a behavior before they learn how to do it right. If you have favorite trainers that disapprove of prong collars, I would be happy to read. However, YOU would not be enjoyable to learn from.
@@manonathompson8140 my favourite trainers don't use aversives, but the get their information from studies conducted by behaviour scientists. These are easily accessible online. Its not my job to provide you with easily accessible information. If you already know that prongs are wrong I don't see why you're making such a fuss.
I have a class I attend with my dog. & the prong collar slips down to the base of his neck. I didn’t think much of it. But seeing you describe proper function in this video helped. Thank you. I can’t wait to walk the dog tomorrow
Great video, here in the north of Italy most of the people want to use pure positive training.. no correction at all! The problem is that few dogs can walk on leash and can really enjoy a relaxing walk. I tried a prong collar at night so nobody can see me walking with my dog... after few days I began using a slip collar and my dog walks very well now. I think in a few week the pulling problem will be solved. That's my experience... and I can say my dog has never felt harmed or scared. She apreciated and the prong made her make more intellingent answers instead of pulling.
There are covers you can use on a prong collar and that's something I'm considering getting once I get mine in and fit it to my dog.
thanks. i use a prong collar totally changed my life. put my mind at ease walking my dog. my labrador is like another dog now
There the worst collars ever
@@angelaequestrian7465
@@angelaequestrian7465 that is wrong
@@charmc4152 To have a different opinion doesn't mean someone is trolling.
@@CM-sm2pk She should elaborate as to the merits of her position if she doesn't want to be thought of as a troll.
That dogs body language tells so much!! Good for you, that dog wants to Please you (probably a lab mix). My dog would bite your nose off 😂😂
I would like to see a video dispelling all the myths about prong collars
We do have a video on this: ua-cam.com/video/xd-J3Q6zx30/v-deo.html :)
I have 2 dogs. 1) Harley. She used to pull until I started using headcollars on her which worked really well. 2) Maisey. She has never pulled on a leash so I used front clip harnesses for her to keep pressure of her neck. Then we look at my moms dog Piper. IVE TRIED EVERYTHING. Basically every type of harness- front clip, back clip, step in, and the ones that tighten around their stomach when they pull. Ive tried basically every type of collar- flat collar, martingale, chain martingale, chokers, and headcollars. One day, I got curious. I went to the petstore (as a prong collar hater aka misinformed on prong collars) and put a -loose- prong collar on her. I walked her around the store, NO PULLING! It was amazing. I currently have a prong collar being shipped to my house. I think most people look at these collars and think that they look like a torture device. I thought that until I did some research. Don't know the point of this comment except don't judge a book by its cover unless the title is something bad :)
Very helpful video. Thank you. My girl is walking much more peacefully because we’ve finally got clear communication, especially when prey drive kicks in.
I am so glad I watched this! I bought the correct HS but now I see that prong collar leash and definitely want one. The design is perfect.
I wish he would talk about the quick release prong collar because you don't need to pinch the prongs on and off but the backup collar is absolutely needed because the quick release can come undone on accident.
I'm a dog trainer. I tend to lean more towards positive reinforcement based training. BUT, if I have exhausted all other options, I will condition a dog to a prong collar. It has to be Herm Sprenger. No substitutions. And it must be fitted high and tight and always used with a backup. I'm a dog trainer who learns from experience. I'm a dog trainer whose opinions are constantly evolving. I'm a dog trainer who wants people to be able to enjoy their dogs. I'm a dog trainer who would much rather have a dog wear a prong collar, than not be able to be taken on walks. I'm a dog trainer for the dogs.
But are you a dog trainer? 🐕
I think you're a dog trainer. We get it dude. You're really really cool
What are you again?
I've got a fox red working line lab,a hyper reactive one very environment driven. He's about 1.5 years old now and we had a harness to start with along with his collar(still.have his first one safe and away)
We then moved to the slip lead and he still pulled, eventually we have found a trainer who has been just awesome in getting us find his food motivation and stop the pulling and environmental reactions. He took him in to fast track the training and gauge an understanding on how flynn takes to things and quickly understood we had no way to go but the prong collar. It literally arrived yesterday and having used it twice he is perfect and doesn't have a single issue walking! His food motivation is up and all this in the space of 3 weeks with 2 or 3 sessions training and a couple days in boarding it has gone better than we ever thought it would all because the prong collar does its job! Now we've got the basic stage of him walking beautifully we've got the 10m lead for his exposure levels to get him more understanding of the limits we have for him. I wasn't so sure nor understanding on prong collars and didn't have much opinion but having used it on my pup I 100% approve of them being used correctly and long as its the correct size for him. He is a very happy boy and doesn't hate it! Infact he actually sits better to let me fit it than he ever would a slip lead or harness!
Ryan Gosling and his lab Sunny did a great job of showing me how to fit my pup's prong collar and for the backup collar tip!! Thanks! ☀
Great video, kept it real! I think the prong collar works very well on my 6 month old American Staffy! She was very calm when having it on! Not scared or hyper . Great device for training a overly excited pup leash manners!
Just purchased a prong for my SDiT! Thank you for this informational video!!!
This is super helpful and informative! Plus, having Sonny on camera is always fun. Not just a great demonstration of how to fit a prong, but also of how they're really not painful (look at that wagging tail! he's not even drawing away)
The dog keeps wagging his tail 😁
A wagging tail doesn't mean it's happy.
Kami Wilson yeah but normally if they were in pain the tail would be tucked, these collars are amazing
@@kamzalot3 that's not true at all. There have been thousands of studies detailing the body language the dogs display when exposed to aversives. There's not a single peer reviewed study that has concluded that these collars are safe, humane, or effective. I pity your dogs. May they have a competent owner in the next life.
Kami Wilson my *dog and I don’t use a prong on him (yet?) anyways have you not seen people use it on themselves ??? This is evidence right here it’s not rocket science
@@kamiwilson3615 there are plenty of studies showing how these are actually one of the SAFEST tools to use out there. ._. Do your research before making comments on things you don't ACTUALLY understand
I meant to also thank you about the leash my dad gave me one and for the life of me could not figure out those two leash hooks so funny now but dad couldn't remember what it was for he has dementia but he insisted I take it and now I know how I can use it thanks so much for your video I can't wait to tell my dad and have her wear it over there thank you
The whole time, Sonny's like "We're going for a walk? Yay! Let's go for a walk!"
I love this video! Thank you so much. My dog was trained years ago and the collar just wasn't working anymore. I know after watching this video that it was getting too loose. We are back on track and he's happy walking now
Training is a life long thing, You not continuing training is your fault, not your dog's
Useful video. I was concerned about correctly sizing my dog's collar. This gave me clear guidance.
Good vid on how to use a Prong right, I have never had to use a Prong on any of my dogs in the past. But i picked up year and half old Husky that has had 5 owners that pulls like a freight train. I might try one out after learn more on them and how to use them.
I just use a carabiner attached to a regular collar for backup.
Thank you so much didn’t realize I was doing this wrong once again thank you for not like bashing them or stuff you made it so clear thank you so so much!! Edit: as you can see my dogs a husky so he pulls a lot and I don’t use it abusivly he is my service dog in training lol
Has this helped? Im getting a husky and want to do what's best
Me looking at my lab: oh yeah! Hey I'm her neck does taper!
Me looking at my Cane Corso: Ummm... 🤣
Where can I purchase prong leashes? Never have seen them before! I've always just used a carabiner to hook my prong collar to my back up collar.
We sell a variety of options here: leerburg.com/prongleashes.htm
Very informative and any dog owner or walker needs to view.
below comment shows how to get micro adjustments!! super helpful
I’ve been watching multiple vids on prongs like how to fit and choose correct gauges. And how to correct the dog without harming them I’m doing as much research before I get one for my dog Bc I got him a couple months ago and he’s 2 and he wasn’t trained at all or fed he was underweight but he’s healthy now and learning he’s a smart dog
So with my Aussie, when i first put the prong on, it will stay snugly fit for a good few minutes. After a while, it will just sink back down to the base of her neck. If I add another ring on, its too loose but if I take one away, it's too tight.
Would I possibly be doing something wrong? Her coat is thick but cared for so im not really sure how it's sliding down all the time.
I wonder if one of the prong collars with a leather buckle would be easier to fit on dogs with thicker coats ... 🤔
mine does this too in a way - not sure I it is right fit as feels a bit tight but too loose otherwise....I have the quick release type so maybe that's not good
I have same problem with my Dobe. It fits snug but 30 seconds into the walk it comes down where I don't want it on the neck. It just won't stay high up, which leads to more pulling once she's excited.
Love the prong! Some dogs got to have them !
Amazing video, thank you! Does anyone know where a Herm Sprenger keeper collar can be found in the UK? I can only find the traditional prong collars and I'd feel much more confident with the keeper. It looks like I could buy it from the US and have it shipped, but the shipping is crazy expensive!
Good morning!
I’ve been using an HS 2.25mm Stainless Steel martingale prong collar for about 3yrs now with my 30lbs Staffordshire Bull Terrier and it works very very well.
For performance and aesthetics, I’d like transition him wear an HS Neck Tech Sport (non-martingale) in Black Matte.
1. Is there a noticeable difference in correction performance between a standard HS martingale prong collar vs. an HS Neck Tech Sport (non-martingale)?
2. I currently back-up my standard HS prong collar with a flat collar. Does the HS Neck Tech Sport require a backup collar?
3. If so, I am interested in backing up the Neck Tech Sport collar with the Neck Tech Fun collar in the same finish, is this advisable or is a dominant dog collar more appropriate?
Cheers!
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I was more so hoping the actual sizing of the prongs themselves would be addressed as well. Like how there are different sized mm ones. I know he kind of touched on it when he spoke about the microprongs and using them on larger dogs, but how do you know what individual prong size would be right?
Just bought a prong collar today. The guy at pet co told me the exact opposite 🤦🏻♀️ he said the collar should be at the bottom of the neck. So I’m taking out prongs and figuring this out. Also I got dirty looks from chicks with pocket pooches.
Keep going girl!
I love Petco and their people are helpful but I still take what they say, do my own research (like you obviously did) and make sure they know what they talking about too!
I give snotty people with pocket pooches (pugs, frenchies, chihuahuas) a pitying smile. If they actually vocalize their disgust about my ‘cruel collar’ I merely point out the collar comes off, but their dogs facial deformities are for life.
I love the 2 Hounds Harness. Been using them on my large dogs that pulled. They helped me get them in control so I can teach them manners.
CM I wanted to love my 2 hounds harness but our dog kept slipping out of them even with 1 finger tightening - he would croc roll around and then get free.
@@mydogzmom5058 Sorry to hear that. I've never had a problem with them. I have been using them for a number of years and I have never had a problem.
Our dog seems to have Houdini abilities but we love him anyway. We found he would try to wriggle out of a martingale collar too. The prong he doesn’t try to do it with when training or walking. And wears a flat buckle collar with tags the rest of the time with no issue. Everyone is different so finding the tool that helps is key
If the collar is fit correctly, the collar does NOT pinch. It POKES. Again, the skin is NOT pinched! Take your dog's collar and affix it around your own leg. Choose a section of your leg (i.e., your calf) that is approximately the same circumference as your dog's neck. (If you have a very small dog, use your arm to do this test.) Then, gently pull up on the D-ring, simulating a correction that you would give your dog, and notice what happens to the prongs. They tighten up against your leg (representing the dog's neck). They do NOT pinch your leg. There are a lot of excellent videos on selecting, fitting, and using a prong collar. Please check out more than just this video.
pinch refers to the links being attached together. the prongs contact the dog; the pinch is your fingers attaching it to the dog.
Excellent & clear information. I thank you and so does my dog!
I just got one the bad think it comes undone to easily what you recommend to do?
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I love your dog, what a good boy!!
hello i got a question, i have a herm sprenger prong collar, I fit it tight and snug on my dogs neck. is it normal for the prong collar to over time drop down below the neck?
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Incredibly informative, thank you!
Glad you enjoyed it!
Can the pinch collar be uneven by removing a link on one side would that still work?
Question: How do I know if the fit it too tight? I have a GD pup 9 months old, prong collar helps a lot but, her neck size seems to be "in between" links. If I add a link it rolls, but if I dont add one it looks so tight that she couldnt swallow if she needs to (just an example I know she can). Note: before I turn it to where prongs are on bottom.
Y’all gotta get on the same page about the terminology for leash/collar pressure. Some like you are calling it a correction, but isn’t it the negative reinforcement quadrant of operant conditioning, because the pressure is removed when and only when they achieve the position you want them to sustain?
Hi do you ever find the prong collars to slide down after corrections and the dog pulling? Or am I right to think it needs to be a snug fit right at the top of the neck so it doesn't slide down? Mine starts at the top but then drops down a little ( mid neck) from time to time so I have to stop and pull the prong back up. I was thinking if it's too tight up top then it's possibly on auto correction and constant connection, or am I overthinking it?
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did you get your answer? I have a same problem
Here is kind of the issue I am having. I get the prong on my dog and it feels snug. Its a little hard to move it around. Then during a walk it moves down. Not all the way to where her flat collar sits but its not in the orignal spot. Being a husky mix with her thick fur it can be hard to adjust it back up
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Hello. What is the size of that prong collar you use to sonny
What do you do if you need a a half size larger? I have a 2.5mm, but taking links out makes it a bit too tight and leaving the link the collar slips down.
How do you feel about the quick release herm sprenger dog collar. I recently go tthe "dodge the drag" prong collar and has the quick release. Do you think the quick release effects the correction action?
We actually sell quick release kits where you can buy a quick release buckle to put on a prong collar. With these just have you replace the herm sprenger plate with the buckle. It doesn't affect the correction as the prongs will still distribute the pressure around the neck. leerburg.com/smallprong-easysnap-kit.php
I have my prong at the right height(behind the ears) and its snug. If you can get the prong over your dogs head it's to big. If the prong stops on the forehead it the right fit.
But my problem is that it slips when I have it on my pup. But if I take one more link off it's way to tight. And if I put a link back on it's to lose. Any suggestion.
I have a female German Shepherd I measured her neck it’s 18” what would be the best size to purchase for her? I’m liking the hidden prong collar. 👍🏼 thank you in advance!
Soo informative, thank you so much
Good video! I personally prefer a flat collar as my backup collar. I don't like to choke a nervous or excited dog, and thin slips have been found to be one of the most dangerous to the dog's neck. I think that study (about slips) was done at Lackland AFB. For an experienced dog trainer like those at Leerburg, that may be a different case.
I would like if you made a keeper collar with a metal clasp instead of plastic. Just a suggestion. Love the leash. Have never seen anything like that, really great
I had used harness and collar type on one my dogs but they didn't work as kept pulling. Dog trainer recommended prong collar and gave me some helpful tips. Since then been easier to train the dog to walk with and even few simple command so that helped.
What side pong did you use on the lab in the video ? The regular stainless steel one
Hi, where can I find a prong collar leash like your showed in the video? Thanks
Prong Collar Leashes: leerburg.com/prongleashes.htm
is there a significant difference between a 3.0 mm prong and a 3.2 mm prong? or are they mostly the same size? i’ve been wanting to get my dog a stainless steel prong but herm sprenger only has the 3.2 mm and i don’t know how much bigger it will be than the 3.0 mm prong he has now.
VERY good job gentlemen.... ALL of this misrepresented prong collar information is disheartening.
Pet shop employees are seriously scaring me listening to them say how harsh a prong collar is AND that they are for ONLY aggressive breeds? What?
Every time I go for crickets I ask about the prong collar, just to see if the info will ever change. Nope, not the past 10 years.
So my year old pittys neck size is 18 inches what size do you suggest for the first collar? I have never been a fan of the prong collars because I feel that it’s cruel. But he is 80 lbs now and pulls me so much, a traitor I met told me to purchase one of these.
How do you know what size prongs to get for your dog? My dog is 70 lbs and has a lab coat (he is a mutt) and I am new to prong collars (looking to get one) and am overwhelmed by the sizes and mm available.
I wish you emphasized which of the three rings to attach the leash to. Many different prong collar videos, almost all show different rings or even last chain link. I’am using the Hermsptringer stainless steel type
what about the quick release? Because of it, there is not as much prong space under chin....thoughts? Also, it feels either too tight or too loose no matter how I adjust it
His dog is so happy
for the people who think this harms the dog, when he was demonstrating how it works on the dog you could see the dog wagging his tail the whole time he was showing how different sizes would work
I have a 85lb & a 100lb Rottweiler, which I want tbe prong colar for. What size should I get for them.
I'm very familiar with prongs as I've been trained to use them on my service dogs over the last 15 years. However, they've all been large labs. My family now has a 20lb almost 2yr old mini goldendoodle. I've tried harnesses and headcollars with no success. He's just so energetic and strong that he pulls hard enough to choke himself, even with a chest harness. He's so small though that I'm having trouble sizing the prong collar. He also doesn't have that thick skin the labs do, most likely because he has hair and not fur. Any advice? I understand how the collar should sit when sizing, but how do you know what millimeter prong size you should get? I hear the micro prongs are more severe but he's so small that I feel like the medium sized prong might be too big. Am I correct?
when i go to look at hs prongs, it says what size goes for the weight of the dog. sorry, that's all i know u _u
Having the proper tool that helps you communicate with the dog what you want it to do on a walk (heel or follow) rather than lunge ahead is key. These are tools - you wouldn’t use a screwdriver for a job where a wrench is the correct tool.
and honestly, if a prong collar saves your back, all the more reason to use it. You gotta put yourself before your dog. You're useless to your dog if you have a back thats thrown out by a lunging dog.
Very useful as this is one tool I have never used in over 40 years of training dogs. Here in England the purely positive folk are really anti just about everything :( .Lack of education I think .
Would make sense where they're purely positive. Sad though, it is a great tool when used properly.
Laura's Life training with pain 🖕🏽🖕🏽🖕🏽🖕🏽
No tool when correctly used is anything to do with pain. A shovel can kill as can a lead/leash if used incorrectly. I guess you'd prefer seeing a dog run over then use any tool that will teach the dog to make better decisions. Yes I have seen many videos where all training tools are used incorrectly. Used correctly none of these tools cause pain.
I've yet to see a dog out on a prong/pinch collar in the UK and I train dogs here for a living. I can't even remember a time when I've seen a check chain on a dog. It's all flat collars, Martingales and harnesses. I train dogs not to pull using a harness all the time. I don't understand why so many people find it so hard to stop pulling. It's not difficult.
I've only ever used a pinch collar on three occasions, once on a great dane who would ignore every other collar, once on a Alapaha who was just too strong and pig headed for anything else to work and a boxer cross. I had all three onto a slip lead in the first session.
I train in the UK as well and have seen dogs on hidden prong collars.Hunter collars. Seen check chains mny times. Also many remote collars.
How do you know if it is too tight? We have a 45 lb dog and his neck measures 14 inches so we got the herm sprenger 2.25 16 inch and it seems a little too tight. The prongs are sticking into his neck with it just on, before any correction. It is also kind of hard to fasten it as the prongs just barely come together enough to close them. Do you think we should get more links? If so, how many? How can you tell how many?
I know it should be up at the top of the neck but my question is..should it be snug enough to not slide around on its own if dog shakes his head ? New to them and wanted to make sure it's not to snug..
Thanks in advance..very informative video.
It should not move at all without two hands
Quick question! As the dogs learn and get better at walking on a leash w the prong collar, do they typically keep up this behavior when walking with a regular collar/harness only?
Mine did. Takes time though
Great Video!
This is helpful, they are great tools
Okay I'm late to the party but what about dogs like English bulldogs who essentially do not have necks 🤣 Do i have to pull his neck fat up or below the collar ? It's kinda funny but I dog sit this thing and have no clue where to put it lol
I keep hearing the go with a smaller size but how does it fit around the neck?
You should add or remove links to fit the circumference of your dogs neck.
You and your dog are so cute
Which do you prefer for small dogs a choke collar or prong collar?
Thanks for the terrific info Ryan.
Super old subscriber,
But..
Any tips for a 7 year old great dane with no walk training outside his own yard? The yard is amazingly huge btw
His owners are a bit older and haven't been able to walk him as he his too3 strong but my partner and I have tried walking him in the big yard and he still pulls and tries to run and we have no ability to stop him when he does run. We have taught him so far click commands to lay inside and calm down, but outside he rips our arms out trying to hold him in a lead 😂
Emma Marsland hi
I have a 118 pound Shiloh Shepherd that can basically pull me anywhere he wants. Start by teaching the heel inside with a prong collar and plenty of treats when he gets it right, steady pressure when you need to correct. Should only take a few seconds of pressure to correct. I ditched the harness my positive only trainers suggested and within a few sessions, no pulling or lunging at other dogs. He walks loose leashed for the majority of our walk without a single correction now.
That was the best detailed video ever! Very helpful!
Can you tell me how long your prong collar leash is? I was looking at 6' but it might be too long.
We have a variety of Prong Collar Leashes to choose from, but this option is available in a 6ft and a 4ft. leerburg.com/prongcollarleash.htm
@@LeerburgDogTraining - Thanks for responding, I saw that but is a longer 6ft better or the 4ft? Do I need the extra 2ft in length or a 4ft that perhaps I can control a bit more. I should have been more descriptive in my first questions.
@@LeerburgDogTraining - By the way, after watching your video, I made this comment, then took my 110
lb on a walk with just a training choke collar. He reacted to two German Sheppards which resulted in my being knocked off my feet and dragged along the asphalt. Prong collar needed, for sure.
When people have specific training questions we recommend that they go to our website and post those questions in the ASK CINDY on the front page of leerburg.com. Cindy has been training dogs since she was a teenager and has competed in several dog sports at a regional and national level. She was also a vet tech and owned a boarding/training and grooming business for many years as well as breeding working Dobermans and Belgian Malinois under the kennel name Kaiserhaus.
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Help...my Aussie's neck is 16" behind the ears. What size do I get?
You should select a prong collar based on link size and then add or remove links as needed. We recommend small link prong collars and additional links to get to the 16" measurement you mentioned. You can find our prong collar options here: leerburg.com/prongcollars.htm
i trained for 30 years a slip chain used right works just like a prong. . springer is german. and it is stainles which is best,but you can do the same with a regular chain but you have to keep the dog on one side which the left side is best in side walk walking anyway so it has to be lacec for left side healing. i like it that it can be used inside out like a martimae, so you can heal on either side and prongs are out to protect the dog, pinching the neck is like old school. go to russia a nd train with that stuff or learn the real way and get your agility right. prongs ought never be tight , always loose. for a liht pinch as pssible. some peopel ruined the dogs nerves for using them wrong, you are way in the old times and i am 58 and a professional and worked in military. throw them away and learn to depend on your abilities not pain or pinhing in any way
gunny : your inability to spell normally and lack of education in dog handling is evident.
My fingers are not strong enough to squeeze the prong to separate them. What do I do?
I mean i use a prong on my standard poodle even though she mostly walks off lead. She's a service dog and a lead interferes with her tasks and puts us both in danger. However if we ARE walking and need to be on lead ((which I can count on one hand how many times that happens)) the prong i find is just..... safer for dogs.