I love them but I have one that is the dropped A, but at the bottom of it on the left is a small number 84 and on the right is like a horse shoe , this is a knockoff right? There is no large number on the bottom of it just the two very small prints. Can you please tell me if this is an imposter? I still love it.
I am actually not familiar with that identification. There were some jars that weren't marked at the bottom, so it very well may not be a reproduction. Also, I'm not sure they reproduced the drop A. You may have a rare one!
Nice video! Several slight errors here (nothing too drastic) but: (please bear with me) 1) The "bluish aqua" color of those early fruit jars is the normal color of "natural glass" - trace quantities of iron in the sand (nearly all sand contains iron impurities) caused the color. In the case of "Ball Blue" this color resulted from the sand source used by Ball to make the jars. Ball did NOT intentionally create that color. Most of the sand they used for the Ball jars (made in Muncie, IN) came from areas along the eastern shore of Lake Michigan. Much of that sand accidentally had just the "right" percentage of iron to create the shade of blue-aqua. (A nearby glass company also used sand from the same source, Hemingray Glass Company - and many of their insulators from the 1920s are the same or very similar shade of aqua-blue). By 1937 Ball Bros had switched over to (mostly) clear glass so the customer could see the food better. 2) The original Mason patent was actually pertaining to the concept of a "screw threading" on the jar, as compared to other jars that did not have a threaded lip. 3) The numbers on the bases are Mold numbers, not batch numbers. Each mold number just identified the mold installed on the automatic jar blowing machine. Each jar machine would hold usually 8 to 10 molds, each one numbered so if any faults happened with the finished jar, the defective mold could be quickly identified and replaced. MANY, MANY different sets of numbered molds were used over and over for many years, the mold numbers range between 0 and 15, and some are also numbered with a number AND letter, or have backward numbers (which are a little scarcer). 4) The story of the number 13 jars didn't become popular with flea market dealers until the 1980s or '90s so it may OR may not have had a tiny kernel of truth. Whatever the reality of the story, the PERCEPTION of the scarcity has increased the desirability of the mold number 13 so they will normally sell for somewhat more. (SUPPLY AND DEMAND!!) The "13" is actually about the same scarcity as the number 11, 12, 14, and 15 jars, but since they are being snatched up and hoarded by collectors, they SEEM much scarcer. Definitely harder to find in antique stores and flea markets, but common on ebay!
I'd be glad to help if I can, but I'm not necessarily an expert. The price guide for fruit jars is an excellent resource. It's The Big Red Book of fruit jars. It's the absolute authority on valuation.
We do buy lots of jars, but most of them aren't very valuable. We would buy them, but would have to purchase at a price feasible for our business model.
Thanks very informative. I found I have one with a dropped a and number 13! Cool to know...I also have 1s 2s 3s 4s 7s and an Atlas didn't know the difference or significance so thank you! I also have a sheep nose? one that is a dropped a and an extra L bit the lettering feels as it is worn off a bit it has 3 straight lines at the bottom and an offset 1 with a lot of inclusions? Divots?
Very informative! Thank you! I have 1 old blueish mini square jar and a number 13 embossed marked in the bottom.. The number 1 looks like a letter J? But when i watched this video, i realized it is a number 1..? 😅
I may have some rare jars definetly ones I seen no one else but that book is not made anymore. How can I contact you to see what you think of their worth.
You can email us some pictures (backporchgreeneville@hotmail.com). We'll try to look into them. If you want to call in to the shop when we're open, our number is (423) 609-7923.
What about a quart ball with a dropped a and has a crack inside the class itself that spirals from top around and around to the bottom?But it won't cut you.its like the jar is twisred from top to bottom?.it aldo has hundreds of lil bubles everywere
How you doing, i just found your site on jars because i have a pretty rare one. I got a Ball Perfect Mason, i believe its the one that was made between 1923 and 1933. Instead of the world perfect it actually says pepfect mason. I believe the s is upside down in the word mason as well. I believe the mason jar is the pint size with the number 8 on bottom. Would you know anything about error jars. If you want i can send you pic's.
There are a style of jars called Lightning, and perhaps that's what you're thinking of. The jars with glass lids and metal bales, were called lightning jars, due to the speed at which they could be opened- lightning fast. Hope this helps.
@@BackPorchAntiques don’t go outta town to do it I ain’t holding you to it. I’d give it a view and a share or two. Getting away from glass you know anything about numbered nail heads in railroad ties and old utility poles.
How can i tell real from replica? Few little bubbles in glass and nipples on the side and off center bottom markings? Also a clear half gallon wide mouth Ball Perfect Mason with what looks like grapes on opposite side and measurements up both sides? The wide mouth ones i have are the center Ball 1923 design. My blue one's are the Ball to the right of the center no underline Also have a blue half gallon perfect mason No. 3 on bottom.
The bubbles and ripples are good indicators of authenticity. The measure marks and grapes are confirmation of a modern recreation. These jars were never intended for measuring. However, the retro look is cool... just a recreation. Real jars have both lines and no lines. I hope that helps. Thanks for watching!
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I appreciate it! We enjoy doing them!
Great vid, thanks for sharing, very interesting.
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Excellent video, thanks alot!
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I love them but I have one that is the dropped A, but at the bottom of it on the left is a small number 84 and on the right is like a horse shoe , this is a knockoff right? There is no large number on the bottom of it just the two very small prints. Can you please tell me if this is an imposter? I still love it.
I am actually not familiar with that identification. There were some jars that weren't marked at the bottom, so it very well may not be a reproduction. Also, I'm not sure they reproduced the drop A. You may have a rare one!
Nice video! Several slight errors here (nothing too drastic) but: (please bear with me) 1) The "bluish aqua" color of those early fruit jars is the normal color of "natural glass" - trace quantities of iron in the sand (nearly all sand contains iron impurities) caused the color. In the case of "Ball Blue" this color resulted from the sand source used by Ball to make the jars. Ball did NOT intentionally create that color. Most of the sand they used for the Ball jars (made in Muncie, IN) came from areas along the eastern shore of Lake Michigan. Much of that sand accidentally had just the "right" percentage of iron to create the shade of blue-aqua. (A nearby glass company also used sand from the same source, Hemingray Glass Company - and many of their insulators from the 1920s are the same or very similar shade of aqua-blue). By 1937 Ball Bros had switched over to (mostly) clear glass so the customer could see the food better. 2) The original Mason patent was actually pertaining to the concept of a "screw threading" on the jar, as compared to other jars that did not have a threaded lip. 3) The numbers on the bases are Mold numbers, not batch numbers. Each mold number just identified the mold installed on the automatic jar blowing machine. Each jar machine would hold usually 8 to 10 molds, each one numbered so if any faults happened with the finished jar, the defective mold could be quickly identified and replaced. MANY, MANY different sets of numbered molds were used over and over for many years, the mold numbers range between 0 and 15, and some are also numbered with a number AND letter, or have backward numbers (which are a little scarcer). 4) The story of the number 13 jars didn't become popular with flea market dealers until the 1980s or '90s so it may OR may not have had a tiny kernel of truth. Whatever the reality of the story, the PERCEPTION of the scarcity has increased the desirability of the mold number 13 so they will normally sell for somewhat more. (SUPPLY AND DEMAND!!) The "13" is actually about the same scarcity as the number 11, 12, 14, and 15 jars, but since they are being snatched up and hoarded by collectors, they SEEM much scarcer. Definitely harder to find in antique stores and flea markets, but common on ebay!
That is some excellent information and I appreciate the clarifications.
How would one get an appraisal and how much does an appraisal cost for old canning jars ans zinc lids?
I'd be glad to help if I can, but I'm not necessarily an expert. The price guide for fruit jars is an excellent resource. It's The Big Red Book of fruit jars. It's the absolute authority on valuation.
Is there any value in just the milk glass part of the lid? I find them sometimes where the zinc part is long gone but the milk glass is still fine.
No, not really. They're old and kind of cool, but there isn't much value. Thanks for watching!
Thank you my friend hasalotand there wanting to sale them would you recommend someone who buy all?
We do buy lots of jars, but most of them aren't very valuable. We would buy them, but would have to purchase at a price feasible for our business model.
Is a 1960s ball no.13 worth anything compared to 1910s no 13?
excellent ¡ ce type est un expert en histoire
Gracias!
I have this ball mason jar with this little glass bubbler on top of a lid that screws to a wall, I can’t find any information online about it?
I am not familiar with that design. I wonder if it could be medical by nature?
Thanks very informative. I found I have one with a dropped a and number 13! Cool to know...I also have 1s 2s 3s 4s 7s and an Atlas didn't know the difference or significance so thank you! I also have a sheep nose? one that is a dropped a and an extra L bit the lettering feels as it is worn off a bit it has 3 straight lines at the bottom and an offset 1 with a lot of inclusions? Divots?
What about a 1/2 pint clear ball jar with a 13 on it? Has a zink lid. Is it rare or valuable
Sadly, no. The clear jars are, for whatever reason, not desirable or collectible by the opinion of most people. That may eventually change, however.
Very informative! Thank you! I have 1 old blueish mini square jar and a number 13 embossed marked in the bottom.. The number 1 looks like a letter J? But when i watched this video, i realized it is a number 1..? 😅
what about clay jars in middle america? I found one when out in the woods years ago, but i really cannot find anyone talking about them on here.
I'm not very familiar with that sort of jar. I wish I could help, but my expertise is early American (north American) and southern Appalachian.
@@BackPorchAntiques could i send you a picture of it?
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@@BackPorchAntiques OK, i sent 3 pictures thanks
So what value does the 1910-1923 bottle #6, I also found one of the ball glass lids, what value is that
It depends on condition.
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I may have some rare jars definetly ones I seen no one else but that book is not made anymore. How can I contact you to see what you think of their worth.
You can email us some pictures (backporchgreeneville@hotmail.com). We'll try to look into them. If you want to call in to the shop when we're open, our number is (423) 609-7923.
My husband just found some of these jars. How can he get a hold of you?
Feel free to shoot us a message on Facebook. We're pretty well stocked up on jars now, however. Thanks for watching!
What about a quart ball with a dropped a and has a crack inside the class itself that spirals from top around and around to the bottom?But it won't cut you.its like the jar is twisred from top to bottom?.it aldo has hundreds of lil bubles everywere
That's cool. That sounds like some kind of manufacturing error that turned out really cool. I'm not sure that I've ever seen anything like it.
How you doing, i just found your site on jars because i have a pretty rare one. I got a Ball Perfect Mason, i believe its the one that was made between 1923 and 1933. Instead of the world perfect it actually says pepfect mason. I believe the s is upside down in the word mason as well. I believe the mason jar is the pint size with the number 8 on bottom. Would you know anything about error jars. If you want i can send you pic's.
Very neat. Sounds rare.
Is there a lightning bug jar
Not that I know of, by that name. There were a lot used for that, however.
There are a style of jars called Lightning, and perhaps that's what you're thinking of. The jars with glass lids and metal bales, were called lightning jars, due to the speed at which they could be opened- lightning fast. Hope this helps.
I have a blue ball #5 mason jar it say perfect mason on it quart
Kinda skipped over the shoulder jars let me know please
We’ll try to do a video on that soon.
@@BackPorchAntiques don’t go outta town to do it I ain’t holding you to it. I’d give it a view and a share or two. Getting away from glass you know anything about numbered nail heads in railroad ties and old utility poles.
No, not really. That sounds like something that'd be interesting, however.
Color was due to the sourced sand from Great Lakes not on purpose
How can i tell real from replica? Few little bubbles in glass and nipples on the side and off center bottom markings?
Also a clear half gallon wide mouth Ball Perfect Mason with what looks like grapes on opposite side and measurements up both sides?
The wide mouth ones i have are the center Ball 1923 design.
My blue one's are the Ball to the right of the center no underline
Also have a blue half gallon perfect mason No. 3 on bottom.
The bubbles and ripples are good indicators of authenticity.
The measure marks and grapes are confirmation of a modern recreation. These jars were never intended for measuring. However, the retro look is cool... just a recreation.
Real jars have both lines and no lines. I hope that helps. Thanks for watching!
@@BackPorchAntiques it does help. Thank you very much.
Have a good day Sir!
What's the value of a half gallon with a zero and all blue and no later than 1923?
They're not super special. I'd imagine $20, probably.
I have Kerr economically jar
Good one!
had to use 2x speed to get to the point
Thanks for watching!
Kerr is another mason jar.
You're right. There were a lot of Kerrs!
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