01:24 Current Virus prevalence 03:00 Links for this episode 03:02 Isolation and quarantine guidance 11:12 EUA for Molnupiravir 11:26 Children and COVID state data 12:16 Vaccine safety in 5-11 year olds 13:12 Omicron and antigen tests 14:52 2 of Molecular tests fail with Omicron 15:19 Omicron in Nebraska 16:45 Omicron in Danish households 20:05 Baylor COVID vaccine 24:23 Anti-virals prescriptions 27:26 COVID-OUT for ivermectin 29:12 Global vaccination 29:36 Donations 30:46 Letters 30:49 Chip and Laura rapid tests stay positive 33:39 Philip T-Cell test 34:37 Charlotte Durability of infection prevention 35:32 Lynn quarantine duration for 12-15 olds
Thanks, but no thanks, it is full of propaganda, and do not live up to a "update" most is bla bla bla,😳 Way not supply something good to know like: that Omi-Cold is so mild for overwhelming majority that this is the one we need to get infected with, because you cant stop this anyway, it spread by the water vapour when you breath out, (not by droplets, so masks are like worthless). And that Omi-cold give about 14 Fold protection against reinfection with Omi-Cold and about 4,4 Fold, against D-elta. And, so it will outcompete D-elta. And that will create Herd Immunity. ( Natural Immunity👍 to end this pandemic)✔ SO ENDEMIC Will START IN A MONTH OR SO 🎁 And it is impossible to keep track of infected by testing, (to many asymptomatic) And, so the real amount infected will be many times more than "positive cases" And that it will only take about a month as soon the "wild fire get a grip" And this will bring all in to Endemic (same as for South Africa a week ago)
I don't get to make it to the streams often, & I don't comment much, but I love these discussions & sincerely appreciate y'all taking the time to share these powerful passions (right now especially).
Regarding the discussion around 10:30, I think these restrictions are not applied to protect the unvaccinated. They're applied to protect quality of health care. Letting even more people getting infected at the same time would lead to even more people needing hospital care. They can and I strongly believe they will be lifted when it will be clear hospitals can handle the load even without them, just like it is with influenza.
Also people who have been manipulated by Tucker Carlson (who is vaccinated) and other Fox News hosts (who are vaccinated) have a right to live. Let's not help this Swanson heir kill poor people.
@@TonyFisherPuzzles It's really maddening. Daniel should really call Vincent out on this. You still have to keep a lid on the number of people with mild symptoms or your whole infrastructure, not just healthcare, will collapse.
Great show but I have to respectfully disagree with Professor Racaniello here. My community here in Queens has been gathering exactly like normal since the Spring and no rise in cases. Omicron variant has almost everything to do with the spread of the virus. Additionally, many nurses and my physician colleagues (all of whom are vaccinated and even boosted) are getting infected. They had not significantly change behavior. Omicron is a different beast of a virus, has many more mutations and has been shown to evade both post infection and vaccine mediated humoral immunity. Thankfully T-cell epitopes remain intact in both immune populations which is likely helping with the low hospitalization rates. -physician (internal medicine, nephrology with immunology background) Love your show but wanted to kindly make this point.
@ 3:02 Daniel reads something that is *wrong.* The CDC says back to work after 5 days if asymptomatic *OR your symptoms are resolving.* CDC: _"People with COVID-19 should isolate for 5 days and _*_if they are asymptomatic or their symptoms are resolving (without fever for 24 hours),_*_ follow that by 5 days of wearing a mask when around others to minimize the risk of infecting people they encounter."_ That's a huge difference from being asymptomatic. Also, the CDC said no test is required before going back to work and this applies to both the vaxxed and unvaxxed. These changes were done at the request of Delta Airlines who asked for this to be applied only to the asymptomatic vaxxed and only after a negative test. But the CDC lowered the bar for returning to work. Google: "CDC Updates and Shortens Recommended Isolation and Quarantine Period for General Population"
So, regarding the shortening of the isolation time to 5 days, I have concerns about what will happen in the workplace. Pre-COVID 19, the culture in hospitals in particular, but much of the American workforce in many industries, did not value the employee's well being or taking time off due to illness. While the new guideline may say that only asymptomatic individuals can end the quarantine at 5 days, I cannot imagine this being followed all the time. My prediction is that staff who report a covid infection will now be expected to return to duty and face disciplinary action if they do not, regardless of symptom level or safety. From my own antecdata, being infected with "mild" covid as a young, healthy vaccinated person, I was just barely functional at the 10 day mark and most of my family/friends reported the same experience. There is no way I could have been safe to provide patient care at day 6. I can just see the option to shorten isolation in certain situations becoming a mandate in the context of the current climate, especially in the hospital setting where employee wellbeing is not a high priority.
I think it’s important to make clear that the surge in child hospitalizations is being driven by children hospitalized for other reasons but just so happen to test positive with COVID upon admission as opposed to children showing up and being hospitalized for COVID and COVID-related complications. This was recently noted by both Offit too.
Some of the cases are in that category, but to claim that this is what's "driving the surge" is misleading. Pediatric ICUs full of covid patients are not incidental infections.
Desmond Tutu was an Anglican I think (CofE) not Angelican LOL...great episode lads .. happy NY and thanks for this update. Things are kind of ramping up here in NSW Australia but the deaths aren't tracking with case numbers (which I think is a good sign) I got my Pfizer booster (previously AZ vaxed) on Thursday and I have to say, I didn't feel odd or feverish, not even a sore arm ...I hope it took 🤔. Either way, I'm done boosting for now - "Let It Ride" LOL
Quarantine also protects the vaccinated. The vaccine does not give 100 percent immunity and they still can spread...Less severe illness yes for most not all but they still are getting sick and missing work.
Agreed & a few have died but not like those who are NOT PROTECTED ( because there are those who have the Covid antibodies already& have not been reinfected ) but still 🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽. Things should be assessed on an individual bases… not everyone’s medical issues are the same
CDC did what needed to be done. Unfortunately it all hangs on honor system. Really!? Are we trusting polarized Americans to stay home if they still have symptoms or wear a mask?! Sorry… it will not go well, but we are on fire anyway so it really doesn’t matter.
Do you have a better idea? Honestly it must be hard to be in government with this going on. Anti-vaxxers are turning out to be a harder problem to solve than the actual deadly virus, nobody knows what to do about them. I don't!
@@elinannestad5320 agreed! Antivaccers, antimaskers and antisocial distancers will continue to compromise every effort to end pandemic. Happy new year 🎆
@@markpetters9064 that is sad! This is what I wished my unvaccinated brother in the new year “May you never ever get in a situation where you are going to say: I WISH I WAS VACCINATED!”
My brother is right-wing and quite irritating, but fortunately he is not an idiot, and is vaxxed x 2 with the J&J vaccine. He also social distances and wears a mask. I am so glad that he’s gonna live and we can keep arguing about politics for another couple decades.
I value the information given by both or you each week. This week I felt unease when you discussed why we don’t need to protect the unvaccinated by isolating. I agree with your point about people who choose not to get vaccinated but there is still the significant group babies to 4 year olds who don’t yet have a vaccine choice. How do we protect them is my question for both of you. Thanks again for all the work you put into keeping us informed. It is invaluable.
Check Israeli study on myocarditis after vaccinations. It is not 1 in 1900!!! Unless you think that everyone around the world participates is one big conspiracy to “hide” information. Then we are glitching into a totally different area.
The number of cases is going down in Germany after taking strong measures to protect hospitals from a delta wave. This combined with early checks/tests of travelers from Southern Africa has limited Omicron to 10% (last week). In about 3 weeks one would expect Omicron to dominate. I am happy to make the prediction that then Germany will see a spike in cases like all other countries where omicron is dominated. There is no sudden huge change in behavior explaining these spikes. There is a quick take over of omicron. Stay safe America. Overwhelmed hospitals and lack of workers will impact everyone, not just the unvaccinated. (And we should also care about people how were manipulated by the vaccinated For News millionaires.)
Going towards a negative direction and it ok to go back to normal after 5 days looks like we are doing everything backwards looks like a good time for lock down again
Wish you could describe the child population more. (Birth, 2-5, 5-11, 12-18). Why are children dying? Is it Omicron? What is it about Omicron that it is affecting children? If there is no vaccine for Birth to 5 since the Pfizer failed 2-5 year Olds, should they isolate if they are vulnerable as Omicron displaces Delta. Should childcare still be open? So that 4 yo insulin dependent Diabetic shouldn't be in childcare?
Do we know abut the Cuban vaccines? I saw an article here on youtube about how they prioritised vaccine development at great expense to the rest of the health system, and made 2! Of course the US made getting everything necessary almost impossible. Do we know about effectiveness, side effects, cost? I wonder how it compares to others, and to the Indian vax.
They don't want to talk about early effective treatment. Do you know anyone who got monoclonals??? I know a couple who tried and were rebuffed, (couldn't get an appointment, weekend, oops now it's too late...blah blah blah.) I don't trust CDC or FDA, lost all faith in them. At least docs in the trenches are saving lives and as time goes by they are being vilified right and left. TREATMENT AND VACCINES SHOULD BE GIVEN THE SAME WEIGHT. But docs are being prevented from using old safe off the shelf drugs in the early stage to PREVENT hospitalization.
@@janyenyo I agree 💯! We’re in Ann Arbor, MI. My 45 year old daughter and 67 year old friend who is a retired nurse both got monoclonals. U of M has clinics set up and Huron Valley Ambulance will come to your home to infuse if you can’t get to a clinic. With regards to monoclonal s, I’ve heard that the Sotrovimab Monoclonal works best with Omnicron. I don’t know which one they were offered. I don’t know if they had the Delta or Omnicron? The CDC conveniently didn’t ramp up sequencing until case counts were blowing up! Both my daughter & friend followed the FLCCC protocol when they were first diagnosed positive. They wasted no time. I was able to call clinics on their behalf to check appointment availability. They did fill up quick. Both of their outcomes were good, thanks to Dr’s like Paul Marik & Pierre Kory and others who are doing their all to promote prophylaxis and early, day 1 treatment!
It's it slightly tedious pretending some of these new variants aren't responsible for increased numbers. I mean they literally know why they are now, and there is no evidence "human changes in behaviour" so drastically spark these sudden massive jumps - see London. Sure, in some cases it might be merely human behaviour such as winter vs summer but not to the extent we have seen in variant spikes.
From the epicenter (Queens, NYC), I can tell you what it looks like from hindsight from my perspective. 2021 Omicron NYC spread seems to mirror 2020 Wuhan-Original NYC spread. The only difference is that there were barely any tests back then and the sparse old-school PCR's available were reserved for ppl who were pretty much guaranteed to die if they didn't go to hospital. Some died in thier homes not meeting the "hotline questionairre criteria"! It spread so fast under the radar while they were still arguing about lockdowns and masking effectiveness. It just doesn't reflect in the statistics, thats all. ONE case is counted when a whole store obviously was exposed (most who didn't have any symptoms, or didn't realize it was mild COVID). I can stand at my train station stairs and point in every direction and diagonal and tell you a story of a dead essential worker within a couple of blocks. I don't know any residents so, imagine the spread in the buildings they occupy. In fact one deli guy told me his lockdown adventure of witnessing some volunteers or military (he didn't know who they really were) fetching 2 body bags out of a nearby building and just flinging them into a truck like it was routine boring work. Some food pantry girl was asked if she wanted to help "sort out and stack bodies". So, yes...COVID spreads fast, regardless of variant. And personally, I always thought the virus will mutate to escape our vaccines and like the flu, a modified one will eventually be in order. Omicron seems to prove this theory I guess so I don't think it has anything to do with the virus property other than "immune escape".
Transmission and transmissibility is not discussed well in the media. Purely from a Virology point of view, it takes lab work to demonstrate the mechanisms of increased infectiousness of a variant. Vincent is looking at this through the lens of virology and making the point that there are other variables that come into effect. Founder effect, immune escape from prior infection stimulated immunity or escape from immunity from vaccination and factors such as season, behaviour, non pharmaceutical interventions such as social distancing and closing non essential services. These are all variables that confound knowing in black and white terms with absolute certainty. In determining transmissibility we need to establish and estimate what factors are due to changes in the nature of the virus. Is it more infectious due to higher viral loads? Sites of replication such us more upper airway, cell entry and detachment dynamics, viability on surfaces, etc?, and the changes to the nature of the host. How a population behaves, Sturgis etc, being vaccinated, wearing masks, social distancing, lockdown fatigue etc., plus how and what health orders are enforced? Not at all or welding people in their homes, fines or jail. Vincent remains to be convinced it is due to changes in the virus, he will wait for more data now. He is not wrong in that variation in behaviour is a driver that we can observe to clearly have an effect on transmission such as the Sturgis Bike Rally. Where Vincent and I have agreed to disagree, agreeably: That all said and without putting an R value on it, effective rates of transmission etc. There is plenty of Epidemiological evidence IMHO to demonstrate that compared to the ancestral strain the Delta and Omicron variants are a lot bloody more infectious, by comparison to the ancestral strain! With the ancestral strain demonstrably less bloody infectious at the start of 2020 in Australia, ergo, the variants are more infectious! What is my data and evidence for that you ask? Australia! Australia controlled the Ancestral SARS-CoV-2 at the start of 2020 and kept the country practically virus free for many months until a single case of delta hit on the 16th of June 2021 sparked a third wave. We had no vaccination at the start of 2020 and we were not using lockdowns and social distancing until things were well going in March of 2020. June 16th 2020 started the Delta wave in Australia with a single case released into the community in NSW, now Omicron has hit and taken over in a matter of days! Australia is also far more vaccinated now than the USA! We can't control these variants nearly as easily as we did in 2020 because they are demonstrably MORE INFECTIOUS. Immune evasion, vaccine evasion, severe use of extreme lockdowns etc were all not factors in March 2020 when the Ruby Princess docked and dumped over 100 infected cases into the heart of Sydney to go their merry way with no testing! Imagine if that had been cases of Omicron that you did that with! How do you think that would go dumping a 100+ infected people into a big city with a totally immune naive community? It is clear the ancestral strain wasn't that well adapted to humans yet at the start of 2020, the virus though highly infectious, it just wasn't as infectious as the better adapted Omicron clearly is now! This current rate of transmission can't be explained via behavioural changes or immune evasion alone IMHO! Science is about discussion and debate, if we all agreed then there would not be the critical evaluation of ideas that is required, data is open to interpretation and we choose what data to look at and how much weight we will give it. Peer review is for this reason, to discuss and defend a particular hypothesis on the interpretation of the available data. We can all be wrong, and I could well be, and I am open to be proven so. Take a look at the timeline and case data of the Australian outbreak in detail before people disagree with me please. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_pandemic_in_Australia#First_wave:_March%E2%80%93April_2020 Case data ourworldindata.org/explorers/coronavirus-data-explorer?zoomToSelection=true&facet=none&pickerSort=asc&pickerMetric=location&hideControls=true&Metric=Confirmed+cases&Interval=Biweekly&Relative+to+Population=true&Align+outbreaks=false&country=~AUS Australia now 76% fully vaccinated for the entire population! When ancestral struck it was 0%, when Delta hit it was 4%, when Omicron hit we were at 76% already! ourworldindata.org/explorers/coronavirus-data-explorer?zoomToSelection=true&time=2021-12-28&facet=none&pickerSort=asc&pickerMetric=location&Metric=People+vaccinated+%28by+dose%29&Interval=7-day+rolling+average&Relative+to+Population=true&Align+outbreaks=false&country=AUS~GBR~USA~ISR~European+Union
@A Q you must have been looking at a cached copy. I had already edited that line as I realised it was worded badly! It is written: "It is clear the ancestral strain wasn't that well adapted to humans yet at the start of 2020, the virus though highly infectious, it just wasn't as infectious as the better adapted Omicron clearly is now!
@A Qthe UK is an interesting case. When the UK first set out on a pandemic policy it was seriously pursing herd immunity via infection. It wasn't until the UK did the modelling and realised that even based on the most conservative estimates, the hospitals would be overwhelmed and the number of deaths would be unpalatable. They reversed course but too little too late. Australia did take some steps, such as banning flights from China very early on. Though Australia could have done MUCH better, we still ended up after a year and a half with ONLY 30K cases and 900 dead, we did better than most countries, Australia worked out how to do lockdowns and quarantines though not always effective they were sufficient in 2020 in the end to control the ancestral outbreaks in Sydney and then later in Melbourne. Then in June 16th 2021 Delta hit (we introduced some of the most severe lockdowns with fines, mask mandates etc. in the world, vaccine drives, massive testing was always less than 1% positivity [until Omicron hit now it is up at over 18% positivity in NSW], QR passports and check ins the LOT) and now Omicron. We are now 6 months later up to 460,657 confirmed cases, (though testing has just collapsed under the current case load), and 2,257 dead and counting. Australia lacked the confounding effects of Alpha, Beta, Gamma etc. clouding the picture. We have had 3 types. An, De & Om that is all. Delta arrived into an essentially naive population with only 4% fully vaccinated in June and having only had 30,000 confirmed cases in Australia up until Delta arrived. Australia is now as a population, 76% fully vaccinated, so 72% of that is within the last 6 months.
wasnt there a study showing that the full length spike protein can actually go inside the nucleus ans inhibit DNA repair? it was recommended that future therapies do not use the full length spike protein and only use RBD since a lot of pptentially hazardous issues have been linked to the full length protein
Did ye ever think it would happen in yer life time it has been a great time for ye to talk tougher on a whole new level have a good new-year see ye next week
Dr. Racaniello, if the people who keep spreading the misinformation do not have virologists such as yourself to tell them the facts about what we know and what we don't know, the misinformation will continue to spread. I urge you to reconsider your stance on not legitimizing certain podcasts by talking to the hosts. I don't think this will be a detriment, I believe it will wake some out of serious limbic capture and cognitive dissonance.
It would be interesting to make a data comparison of Israel and Palestine, mainly because Israel has one of the highest vaccination rates and even going for a 4th one, and Palestine has one of the lowest vaccination rates where If I'm not mistaken only about 20% of the population has taken 2 doses.
Please can you address this Dr Malone character that has just been on Joe Rogan. I haven't had a vaccine as of yet. I've been skeptical mainly because of my distrust in the government and honestly my tendency to listen to conspiracy videos. Since discovering TWIV i am learning more towards getting rhe jab But you can't blame people for not being vaccinated when there is claims from Dr Malone etc that are not addressed.
And Peter McCullough. And these aren't quacks as the media would have you believe. Dr. Peter McCullough is likely one of if not the top cardiologist in the world. I'm basing this on him not only having close to 700 publications, but also is cited more than anyone else as an individual on this covid stuff. Its a difficult job for media to smear or sensor a guy like this but they're trying just like they have with Dr. Malone, Geert Vanden Bosch, Dr. Paul Marik, and many others who spoken out. (Oh should I mention the Barrington declaration signed by 10 of thousands of scientists, doctors etc from the US and UK). I would just like to see an honest response to some of their concerns instead of sensoring and fake claims against these highly credible individuals like calling them antivaxers which is just childish and isnt a counter argument if thats what they think they are doing. I'm not gonna hold my breath though.
I would love to hear these conversations. Whilst I trust TWIV implicitly and I choose to get all of my Covid related information from this channel. I think there would be huge value in educators like Vincent tackling the claims made by the prominent voices fuelling the anti-vax / anti-trust movement. I know at least, when I speak with friends or colleagues regarding the pandemic, it’s individuals like Dr Malone / Dr McCullough who they refer to when attempting to back up their claims vaccines aren’t safe etc. I share this channel and encourage those people to watch TWIV. But to be able to cite the actual discussion where the counter claims were made, would be very useful to a dummy like me 🤪 Then again, maybe if I possessed the knowledge Vincent and the guests on TWIV do. I also might think, ah it just ain’t worth my time trying to challenge the naysayers. It’s conflict right? and not everyone craves that in their life. I’d personally liken it to the discussions I avoid on religion. I have my views and other people have theirs. I don’t go out of my way attempting to convert others to my way of thinking. Anyway for what it’s worth, those are my thoughts on the matter. I’m just really glad I have this channel to keep me sane instead of listening to the newspapers and scaremongering on the news channels. Respect everyone… here’s to 2022 🍻
The labeling and silencing of dissenting voices only lends them more credibility and suggests that they are making valid points that are inconvenient. The only way to respond is with data that supports your counter-argument, i.e. science.
Wonder how many children that dies form COVID-19 have large insurance policy on them by their parents? When it was death by cop is now, death by virus. Still it could be a big payoff.
Vincent, you didn't sound cruel, what you said is very sensible. At a certain point the unvaccinated can't be protected at the expense of those who are vaccinated.
YES I am interested in IVERMECTIN but my doc REFUSES to prescribe it!!!!!!!!! Where is my right to try for me and my family??????? Does it depend on where I live, do I have to move to Mexico to get this safe drug off the shelf over the counter??????
Look you shouldn't be here...this is a channel that relies on hard science and data. If you want your biases confirmed go elsewhere...it's not like there aren't enough channels catering to the scientifically challenged.
@@kellanaldous7092 It doesn't matter. They will use the Omicron vaccine for the next few variants until the antibodies no longer works...just like the Original Wuhan variant vaccine.
Vincent everything you say makes sense. I am not sure about your guest Danial he seems to be a fear a mongerer. Vincent follow your instincts your intuition is excellent.
Im of the opposite opinion lol. Rather he looked like a doctor than a yacht club member :/ country club maybe. I guess you don't need a yacht in Arizona xD
An ailen observing major sporting events in America would not know there's an ongoing pandemic. Seriously, I saw 1-2 people wearing masks out of countless thousands. Maybe this is why aliens just whiz by and don't stay for a cup of coffee. Would you?
Did you see Times Square last night ? Hardly anyone had a mask but if you think about it people who would go there probably don’t care about masks. So there ya go.
@@jenibarra385 Your comment might be true for some. But it is an unfair over-generalization. I respectfully disagree with the way your point is stated.
@@jenibarra385 I agree. It's so sad because heart attacks, strokes, broken bones, surgeries, and essential scans are still very common and treatment is very much delayed because hospitals and ERs are so overwhelmed by unvaccinated covid patients. It is selfish.
Yes your right, we should no longer offer them our protection. In fact I think that we should shave their heads in public to humiliate them and then make them wear a large yellow star to show everyone how unclean they are. Making them ring a bell as they walk jobless and unloved while being reviled by us fully vaxed virtuous godlike souls sounds about right as well.
01:24 Current Virus prevalence
03:00 Links for this episode
03:02 Isolation and quarantine guidance
11:12 EUA for Molnupiravir
11:26 Children and COVID state data
12:16 Vaccine safety in 5-11 year olds
13:12 Omicron and antigen tests
14:52 2 of Molecular tests fail with Omicron
15:19 Omicron in Nebraska
16:45 Omicron in Danish households
20:05 Baylor COVID vaccine
24:23 Anti-virals prescriptions
27:26 COVID-OUT for ivermectin
29:12 Global vaccination
29:36 Donations
30:46 Letters
30:49 Chip and Laura rapid tests stay positive
33:39 Philip T-Cell test
34:37 Charlotte Durability of infection prevention
35:32 Lynn quarantine duration for 12-15 olds
Thanks Les
Timestamps much appreciated, Les 🙏
Thanks, but no thanks, it is full of propaganda, and do not live up to a "update" most is bla bla bla,😳
Way not supply something good to know like:
that Omi-Cold is so mild for overwhelming majority that this is the one we need to get infected with, because you cant stop this anyway, it spread by the water vapour when you breath out, (not by droplets, so masks are like worthless).
And that Omi-cold give about 14 Fold protection against reinfection with Omi-Cold and about 4,4 Fold, against D-elta.
And, so it will outcompete D-elta.
And that will create Herd Immunity. ( Natural Immunity👍 to end this pandemic)✔
SO ENDEMIC Will START IN A MONTH OR SO 🎁
And it is impossible to keep track of infected by testing, (to many asymptomatic)
And, so the real amount infected will be many times more than "positive cases"
And that it will only take about a month as soon the "wild fire get a grip"
And this will bring all in to Endemic (same as for South Africa a week ago)
Happy New Year All, and especially the TWIV team. Thanks for all your hard work over the past 2 years (and before).
Thanks Vincent and Daniel for another excellent update!
I don't get to make it to the streams often, & I don't comment much, but I love these discussions & sincerely appreciate y'all taking the time to share these powerful passions (right now especially).
Regarding the discussion around 10:30, I think these restrictions are not applied to protect the unvaccinated. They're applied to protect quality of health care. Letting even more people getting infected at the same time would lead to even more people needing hospital care. They can and I strongly believe they will be lifted when it will be clear hospitals can handle the load even without them, just like it is with influenza.
Also people who have been manipulated by Tucker Carlson (who is vaccinated) and other Fox News hosts (who are vaccinated) have a right to live. Let's not help this Swanson heir kill poor people.
@@TonyFisherPuzzles It's really maddening. Daniel should really call Vincent out on this. You still have to keep a lid on the number of people with mild symptoms or your whole infrastructure, not just healthcare, will collapse.
Isolation and quarantine guidance really needs a flowchart. This is every bit as complex as the tax code!
Great show but I have to respectfully disagree with Professor Racaniello here. My community here in Queens has been gathering exactly like normal since the Spring and no rise in cases. Omicron variant has almost everything to do with the spread of the virus. Additionally, many nurses and my physician colleagues (all of whom are vaccinated and even boosted) are getting infected. They had not significantly change behavior. Omicron is a different beast of a virus, has many more mutations and has been shown to evade both post infection and vaccine mediated humoral immunity. Thankfully T-cell epitopes remain intact in both immune populations which is likely helping with the low hospitalization rates.
-physician (internal medicine, nephrology with immunology background)
Love your show but wanted to kindly make this point.
@ 3:02 Daniel reads something that is *wrong.* The CDC says back to work after 5 days if asymptomatic *OR your symptoms are resolving.*
CDC: _"People with COVID-19 should isolate for 5 days and _*_if they are asymptomatic or their symptoms are resolving (without fever for 24 hours),_*_ follow that by 5 days of wearing a mask when around others to minimize the risk of infecting people they encounter."_
That's a huge difference from being asymptomatic. Also, the CDC said no test is required before going back to work and this applies to both the vaxxed and unvaxxed. These changes were done at the request of Delta Airlines who asked for this to be applied only to the asymptomatic vaxxed and only after a negative test. But the CDC lowered the bar for returning to work.
Google: "CDC Updates and Shortens Recommended Isolation and Quarantine Period for General Population"
Very good point!
Bingo. Which is why we’ve been double checking the CDC because they’ve been mistaken….. 😐
Happy New Year and many thanks for keeping people informed and for your helpful advices.Good health.
The best sane and scientific discussion you can find.
So, regarding the shortening of the isolation time to 5 days, I have concerns about what will happen in the workplace. Pre-COVID 19, the culture in hospitals in particular, but much of the American workforce in many industries, did not value the employee's well being or taking time off due to illness. While the new guideline may say that only asymptomatic individuals can end the quarantine at 5 days, I cannot imagine this being followed all the time. My prediction is that staff who report a covid infection will now be expected to return to duty and face disciplinary action if they do not, regardless of symptom level or safety.
From my own antecdata, being infected with "mild" covid as a young, healthy vaccinated person, I was just barely functional at the 10 day mark and most of my family/friends reported the same experience. There is no way I could have been safe to provide patient care at day 6.
I can just see the option to shorten isolation in certain situations becoming a mandate in the context of the current climate, especially in the hospital setting where employee wellbeing is not a high priority.
Happy New Year, thankyou for taking the time once again to update us.
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I find Daniel's use of the term "Horse Paste" really unfortunate, inflammatory and despicable. SMH
Dr. G, did you feel safe traveling? Any special precautions. I’m happy you got to take some time off. Thanks to both of you for all your work!
Good advice. And smart to push folks towards clinical trials if they are interested in alternatives. 😊. Happy New Year!
I think it’s important to make clear that the surge in child hospitalizations is being driven by children hospitalized for other reasons but just so happen to test positive with COVID upon admission as opposed to children showing up and being hospitalized for COVID and COVID-related complications. This was recently noted by both Offit too.
Some of the cases are in that category, but to claim that this is what's "driving the surge" is misleading. Pediatric ICUs full of covid patients are not incidental infections.
Desmond Tutu was an Anglican I think (CofE) not Angelican LOL...great episode lads .. happy NY and thanks for this update. Things are kind of ramping up here in NSW Australia but the deaths aren't tracking with case numbers (which I think is a good sign) I got my Pfizer booster (previously AZ vaxed) on Thursday and I have to say, I didn't feel odd or feverish, not even a sore arm ...I hope it took 🤔. Either way, I'm done boosting for now - "Let It Ride" LOL
Quarantine also protects the vaccinated. The vaccine does not give 100 percent immunity and they still can spread...Less severe illness yes for most not all but they still are getting sick and missing work.
Agreed & a few have died but not like those who are NOT PROTECTED ( because there are those who have the Covid antibodies already& have not been reinfected ) but still 🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽. Things should be assessed on an individual bases… not everyone’s medical issues are the same
CDC did what needed to be done. Unfortunately it all hangs on honor system. Really!? Are we trusting polarized Americans to stay home if they still have symptoms or wear a mask?! Sorry… it will not go well, but we are on fire anyway so it really doesn’t matter.
Same happens north of the border, specially in provinces with a majority of conservatives like Alberta
Do you have a better idea? Honestly it must be hard to be in government with this going on. Anti-vaxxers are turning out to be a harder problem to solve than the actual deadly virus, nobody knows what to do about them. I don't!
@@elinannestad5320 agreed! Antivaccers, antimaskers and antisocial distancers will continue to compromise every effort to end pandemic. Happy new year 🎆
@@markpetters9064 that is sad! This is what I wished my unvaccinated brother in the new year “May you never ever get in a situation where you are going to say: I WISH I WAS VACCINATED!”
My brother is right-wing and quite irritating, but fortunately he is not an idiot, and is vaxxed x 2 with the J&J vaccine. He also social distances and wears a mask. I am so glad that he’s gonna live and we can keep arguing about politics for another couple decades.
Thank you for another update. Wishing all a healthy and happy 2022. And thank you @Les Faby for the timestamps!
I value the information given by both or you each week. This week I felt unease when you discussed why we don’t need to protect the unvaccinated by isolating. I agree with your point about people who choose not to get vaccinated but there is still the significant group babies to 4 year olds who don’t yet have a vaccine choice. How do we protect them is my question for both of you. Thanks again for all the work you put into keeping us informed. It is invaluable.
Babies are well protected as they are.
Yes you do sound cruel. Did you see the new Kaiser study, myocarditis in 1 out of 1900, much more frequent than the CDC reported after MRNA vaccine.
Check Israeli study on myocarditis after vaccinations. It is not 1 in 1900!!! Unless you think that everyone around the world participates is one big conspiracy to “hide” information. Then we are glitching into a totally different area.
Thank you for this. TWiV clinical is my favorite update channel.
Interesting, informative and worthwhile video.
The number of cases is going down in Germany after taking strong measures to protect hospitals from a delta wave. This combined with early checks/tests of travelers from Southern Africa has limited Omicron to 10% (last week). In about 3 weeks one would expect Omicron to dominate.
I am happy to make the prediction that then Germany will see a spike in cases like all other countries where omicron is dominated. There is no sudden huge change in behavior explaining these spikes. There is a quick take over of omicron.
Stay safe America. Overwhelmed hospitals and lack of workers will impact everyone, not just the unvaccinated. (And we should also care about people how were manipulated by the vaccinated For News millionaires.)
Thank you Dr. Daniel aka Valtteri Bottas - F1 pilot - and Dr. Vincent aka Professore Panettone! 👏🏻👏🏻
Shortening quarantine is beyond ridiculous. We cannot risk even a single infection more this era with so many new infections per day.
Thanks. Happy New Year to the experts that save lives from their Podcast weekly. Safety to you all till next year
Happy and Healthy New Year!
Didn’t you guys say that Omicron is mild? Are these all mild deaths?…
I’ve received the booster an I still wear a mask in public.
The last step is switching from using intramuscular boosters to intranasal sars-cov-2 vaccination to actually prevent spread.
Happy New Year. Hoping for Peace - they say ' Peace is Serenity in a Storm'.
Happy New Year!
Going towards a negative direction and it ok to go back to normal after 5 days looks like we are doing everything backwards looks like a good time for lock down again
Wish you could describe the child population more. (Birth, 2-5, 5-11, 12-18). Why are children dying? Is it Omicron? What is it about Omicron that it is affecting children? If there is no vaccine for Birth to 5 since the Pfizer failed 2-5 year Olds, should they isolate if they are vulnerable as Omicron displaces Delta. Should childcare still be open? So that 4 yo insulin dependent Diabetic shouldn't be in childcare?
So many unnecessary deaths! Early treatment!
Thank you and Happy New Year to you and all your moderators! 🥂🎊🎉🌠🤩
Do we know abut the Cuban vaccines? I saw an article here on youtube about how they prioritised vaccine development at great expense to the rest of the health system, and made 2! Of course the US made getting everything necessary almost impossible. Do we know about effectiveness, side effects, cost? I wonder how it compares to others, and to the Indian vax.
My thoughts are antivirals, rapid testing & early treatment along with better vaccines that will stop transmission.
They don't want to talk about early effective treatment. Do you know anyone who got monoclonals??? I know a couple who tried and were rebuffed, (couldn't get an appointment, weekend, oops now it's too late...blah blah blah.) I don't trust CDC or FDA, lost all faith in them. At least docs in the trenches are saving lives and as time goes by they are being vilified right and left. TREATMENT AND VACCINES SHOULD BE GIVEN THE SAME WEIGHT. But docs are being prevented from using old safe off the shelf drugs in the early stage to PREVENT hospitalization.
@@janyenyo I agree 💯! We’re in Ann Arbor, MI. My 45 year old daughter and 67 year old friend who is a retired nurse both got monoclonals. U of M has clinics set up and Huron Valley Ambulance will come to your home to infuse if you can’t get to a clinic. With regards to monoclonal s, I’ve heard that the Sotrovimab Monoclonal works best with Omnicron. I don’t know which one they were offered. I don’t know if they had the Delta or Omnicron? The CDC conveniently didn’t ramp up sequencing until case counts were blowing up! Both my daughter & friend followed the FLCCC protocol when they were first diagnosed positive. They wasted no time. I was able to call clinics on their behalf to check appointment availability. They did fill up quick. Both of their outcomes were good, thanks to Dr’s like Paul Marik & Pierre Kory and others who are doing their all to promote prophylaxis and early, day 1 treatment!
It's it slightly tedious pretending some of these new variants aren't responsible for increased numbers. I mean they literally know why they are now, and there is no evidence "human changes in behaviour" so drastically spark these sudden massive jumps - see London. Sure, in some cases it might be merely human behaviour such as winter vs summer but not to the extent we have seen in variant spikes.
From the epicenter (Queens, NYC), I can tell you what it looks like from hindsight from my perspective. 2021 Omicron NYC spread seems to mirror 2020 Wuhan-Original NYC spread. The only difference is that there were barely any tests back then and the sparse old-school PCR's available were reserved for ppl who were pretty much guaranteed to die if they didn't go to hospital. Some died in thier homes not meeting the "hotline questionairre criteria"! It spread so fast under the radar while they were still arguing about lockdowns and masking effectiveness. It just doesn't reflect in the statistics, thats all.
ONE case is counted when a whole store obviously was exposed (most who didn't have any symptoms, or didn't realize it was mild COVID). I can stand at my train station stairs and point in every direction and diagonal and tell you a story of a dead essential worker within a couple of blocks. I don't know any residents so, imagine the spread in the buildings they occupy. In fact one deli guy told me his lockdown adventure of witnessing some volunteers or military (he didn't know who they really were) fetching 2 body bags out of a nearby building and just flinging them into a truck like it was routine boring work. Some food pantry girl was asked if she wanted to help "sort out and stack bodies". So, yes...COVID spreads fast, regardless of variant. And personally, I always thought the virus will mutate to escape our vaccines and like the flu, a modified one will eventually be in order. Omicron seems to prove this theory I guess so I don't think it has anything to do with the virus property other than "immune escape".
Transmission and transmissibility is not discussed well in the media. Purely from a Virology point of view, it takes lab work to demonstrate the mechanisms of increased infectiousness of a variant. Vincent is looking at this through the lens of virology and making the point that there are other variables that come into effect.
Founder effect, immune escape from prior infection stimulated immunity or escape from immunity from vaccination and factors such as season, behaviour, non pharmaceutical interventions such as social distancing and closing non essential services. These are all variables that confound knowing in black and white terms with absolute certainty.
In determining transmissibility we need to establish and estimate what factors are due to changes in the nature of the virus. Is it more infectious due to higher viral loads? Sites of replication such us more upper airway, cell entry and detachment dynamics, viability on surfaces, etc?, and the changes to the nature of the host. How a population behaves, Sturgis etc, being vaccinated, wearing masks, social distancing, lockdown fatigue etc., plus how and what health orders are enforced? Not at all or welding people in their homes, fines or jail.
Vincent remains to be convinced it is due to changes in the virus, he will wait for more data now. He is not wrong in that variation in behaviour is a driver that we can observe to clearly have an effect on transmission such as the Sturgis Bike Rally.
Where Vincent and I have agreed to disagree, agreeably:
That all said and without putting an R value on it, effective rates of transmission etc. There is plenty of Epidemiological evidence IMHO to demonstrate that compared to the ancestral strain the Delta and Omicron variants are a lot bloody more infectious, by comparison to the ancestral strain! With the ancestral strain demonstrably less bloody infectious at the start of 2020 in Australia, ergo, the variants are more infectious!
What is my data and evidence for that you ask? Australia!
Australia controlled the Ancestral SARS-CoV-2 at the start of 2020 and kept the country practically virus free for many months until a single case of delta hit on the 16th of June 2021 sparked a third wave. We had no vaccination at the start of 2020 and we were not using lockdowns and social distancing until things were well going in March of 2020.
June 16th 2020 started the Delta wave in Australia with a single case released into the community in NSW, now Omicron has hit and taken over in a matter of days! Australia is also far more vaccinated now than the USA!
We can't control these variants nearly as easily as we did in 2020 because they are demonstrably MORE INFECTIOUS. Immune evasion, vaccine evasion, severe use of extreme lockdowns etc were all not factors in March 2020 when the Ruby Princess docked and dumped over 100 infected cases into the heart of Sydney to go their merry way with no testing! Imagine if that had been cases of Omicron that you did that with! How do you think that would go dumping a 100+ infected people into a big city with a totally immune naive community?
It is clear the ancestral strain wasn't that well adapted to humans yet at the start of 2020, the virus though highly infectious, it just wasn't as infectious as the better adapted Omicron clearly is now! This current rate of transmission can't be explained via behavioural changes or immune evasion alone IMHO!
Science is about discussion and debate, if we all agreed then there would not be the critical evaluation of ideas that is required, data is open to interpretation and we choose what data to look at and how much weight we will give it. Peer review is for this reason, to discuss and defend a particular hypothesis on the interpretation of the available data. We can all be wrong, and I could well be, and I am open to be proven so.
Take a look at the timeline and case data of the Australian outbreak in detail before people disagree with me please. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_pandemic_in_Australia#First_wave:_March%E2%80%93April_2020
Case data
ourworldindata.org/explorers/coronavirus-data-explorer?zoomToSelection=true&facet=none&pickerSort=asc&pickerMetric=location&hideControls=true&Metric=Confirmed+cases&Interval=Biweekly&Relative+to+Population=true&Align+outbreaks=false&country=~AUS
Australia now 76% fully vaccinated for the entire population! When ancestral struck it was 0%, when Delta hit it was 4%, when Omicron hit we were at 76% already!
ourworldindata.org/explorers/coronavirus-data-explorer?zoomToSelection=true&time=2021-12-28&facet=none&pickerSort=asc&pickerMetric=location&Metric=People+vaccinated+%28by+dose%29&Interval=7-day+rolling+average&Relative+to+Population=true&Align+outbreaks=false&country=AUS~GBR~USA~ISR~European+Union
@A Q you must have been looking at a cached copy. I had already edited that line as I realised it was worded badly! It is written: "It is clear the ancestral strain wasn't that well adapted to humans yet at the start of 2020, the virus though highly infectious, it just wasn't as infectious as the better adapted Omicron clearly is now!
@A Qthe UK is an interesting case. When the UK first set out on a pandemic policy it was seriously pursing herd immunity via infection. It wasn't until the UK did the modelling and realised that even based on the most conservative estimates, the hospitals would be overwhelmed and the number of deaths would be unpalatable. They reversed course but too little too late. Australia did take some steps, such as banning flights from China very early on. Though Australia could have done MUCH better, we still ended up after a year and a half with ONLY 30K cases and 900 dead, we did better than most countries, Australia worked out how to do lockdowns and quarantines though not always effective they were sufficient in 2020 in the end to control the ancestral outbreaks in Sydney and then later in Melbourne. Then in June 16th 2021 Delta hit (we introduced some of the most severe lockdowns with fines, mask mandates etc. in the world, vaccine drives, massive testing was always less than 1% positivity [until Omicron hit now it is up at over 18% positivity in NSW], QR passports and check ins the LOT) and now Omicron.
We are now 6 months later up to 460,657 confirmed cases, (though testing has just collapsed under the current case load), and 2,257 dead and counting. Australia lacked the confounding effects of Alpha, Beta, Gamma etc. clouding the picture. We have had 3 types. An, De & Om that is all. Delta arrived into an essentially naive population with only 4% fully vaccinated in June and having only had 30,000 confirmed cases in Australia up until Delta arrived. Australia is now as a population, 76% fully vaccinated, so 72% of that is within the last 6 months.
www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/australia/
As a polio survivor, I would love one of those TWIV polio virus baubles, how do I get one?
Thank you as always doctors.
Thank you
What are your thoughts on Israel’s Oravax oral Vaccine? Also, there’s a breathalyzer monitor that can distinguish Covid and flu. Any suggestions?
wasnt there a study showing that the full length spike protein can actually go inside the nucleus ans inhibit DNA repair? it was recommended that future therapies do not use the full length spike protein and only use RBD since a lot of pptentially hazardous issues have been linked to the full length protein
Did ye ever think it would happen in yer life time it has been a great time for ye to talk tougher on a whole new level have a good new-year see ye next week
Happy New Years !! Hoping for a better year !
Dr. Racaniello, if the people who keep spreading the misinformation do not have virologists such as yourself to tell them the facts about what we know and what we don't know, the misinformation will continue to spread.
I urge you to reconsider your stance on not legitimizing certain podcasts by talking to the hosts. I don't think this will be a detriment, I believe it will wake some out of serious limbic capture and cognitive dissonance.
Thanks 🙏
Thank you for the update 🙏
🥳 Happy New Year 🎊
casual suits you well, Daniel.
Cool, no bow tie and on vacation in Nevada 🤠 Wishing a blessed and safe New Year 2022 to all. 🙏🏼🎉
Laughed out loud at google's auto-transcription of "molnupiravir" at min 11:15 😀
It would be interesting to make a data comparison of Israel and Palestine, mainly because Israel has one of the highest vaccination rates and even going for a 4th one, and Palestine has one of the lowest vaccination rates where If I'm not mistaken only about 20% of the population has taken 2 doses.
The covid death rate is higher in Israel, which is really shocking. My guess is that it has a lot to do with Israelis living much longer.
If you freeze the video at some points, the picture in the background can make Daniel look like Mr Spock.
Lol! 🖖
Your right...a vulcan with big green ears...😅👍🤟
Please can you address this Dr Malone character that has just been on Joe Rogan. I haven't had a vaccine as of yet. I've been skeptical mainly because of my distrust in the government and honestly my tendency to listen to conspiracy videos. Since discovering TWIV i am learning more towards getting rhe jab But you can't blame people for not being vaccinated when there is claims from Dr Malone etc that are not addressed.
And Peter McCullough. And these aren't quacks as the media would have you believe. Dr. Peter McCullough is likely one of if not the top cardiologist in the world. I'm basing this on him not only having close to 700 publications, but also is cited more than anyone else as an individual on this covid stuff. Its a difficult job for media to smear or sensor a guy like this but they're trying just like they have with Dr. Malone, Geert Vanden Bosch, Dr. Paul Marik, and many others who spoken out. (Oh should I mention the Barrington declaration signed by 10 of thousands of scientists, doctors etc from the US and UK). I would just like to see an honest response to some of their concerns instead of sensoring and fake claims against these highly credible individuals like calling them antivaxers which is just childish and isnt a counter argument if thats what they think they are doing. I'm not gonna hold my breath though.
I would love to hear these conversations. Whilst I trust TWIV implicitly and I choose to get all of my Covid related information from this channel. I think there would be huge value in educators like Vincent tackling the claims made by the prominent voices fuelling the anti-vax / anti-trust movement.
I know at least, when I speak with friends or colleagues regarding the pandemic, it’s individuals like Dr Malone / Dr McCullough who they refer to when attempting to back up their claims vaccines aren’t safe etc. I share this channel and encourage those people to watch TWIV. But to be able to cite the actual discussion where the counter claims were made, would be very useful to a dummy like me 🤪
Then again, maybe if I possessed the knowledge Vincent and the guests on TWIV do. I also might think, ah it just ain’t worth my time trying to challenge the naysayers. It’s conflict right? and not everyone craves that in their life. I’d personally liken it to the discussions I avoid on religion. I have my views and other people have theirs. I don’t go out of my way attempting to convert others to my way of thinking.
Anyway for what it’s worth, those are my thoughts on the matter. I’m just really glad I have this channel to keep me sane instead of listening to the newspapers and scaremongering on the news channels.
Respect everyone… here’s to 2022 🍻
If people are stupid enough to listen to quacks, that is their problem. They can win the Darwin Award.
The labeling and silencing of dissenting voices only lends them more credibility and suggests that they are making valid points that are inconvenient. The only way to respond is with data that supports your counter-argument, i.e. science.
Thank you so much
Awesome 👏🏻 😆
Questions: some people with never get vaccinated for one reason or another. What is the best thing they can do to help protect themselves?
Vitamin D
Thanks as always and Happy New Year!
"Live from ... the Nevada Desert"
Jesus :o
Happy New Year! Thank you Vincent for posting videos, even during the holidays.
How would you test intrinsic ?
Ivermectine saved my brother snd wife and saved Japan. That proves it to me.
Stop lying
That's funny
@@personzorz Please tell us your experience with Ivermectin
Ivermectin has been done to death on TWIV... just get vaxxed.
Did someone else you know get a Covid vaccine and have their testicles swell up? You sound like Niki Minaj. 😂🤣😂🤣
What happened to early IV Remdesivir?
Tutu was a thug
it is so overwhelming that it is unbelievable.
Wonder how many children that dies form COVID-19 have large insurance policy on them by their parents? When it was death by cop is now, death by virus. Still it could be a big payoff.
Vincent, you didn't sound cruel, what you said is very sensible. At a certain point the unvaccinated can't be protected at the expense of those who are vaccinated.
Really good to hear that double vaxxed kids do fine with omicron. What a relief.
, i do not know why you do not have millions of subscribers . What are you doing wrong.
YES I am interested in IVERMECTIN but my doc REFUSES to prescribe it!!!!!!!!! Where is my right to try for me and my family??????? Does it depend on where I live, do I have to move to Mexico to get this safe drug off the shelf over the counter??????
I’m sorry to hear you have river blindness. Hopefully you will get over it soon.
@@midlandsman288 insults don't change people's minds as much as providing evidence to back your claims.
@@midlandsman288 midlands funny ignoramus
Look you shouldn't be here...this is a channel that relies on hard science and data. If you want your biases confirmed go elsewhere...it's not like there aren't enough channels catering to the scientifically challenged.
@@FollowTheMoney1 plenty of evidence on TWIV... all based firmly on science... Hence the river blindness reference.
Your guess : will 2022 see a specific omicron vaccine ? Health & courage for everyone .
I have heard Pfizer has developed omicron adapted vaccine. It will come out in April .
That'd be pretty dumb considering its spreading so incredibly fast that its going to burn itself out in a month lol
@@kellanaldous7092 you win the Darwin Award. Congrats.
@@kellanaldous7092 It doesn't matter. They will use the Omicron vaccine for the next few variants until the antibodies no longer works...just like the Original Wuhan variant vaccine.
@@jenibarra385 hows that? Have you not been following the actual studies coming out of south africa and now europe that are showing exactly this?
Vincent everything you say makes sense. I am not sure about your guest Danial he seems to be a fear a mongerer. Vincent follow your instincts your intuition is excellent.
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Your opinion has more value when you aren't wearing a bow tie.
Im of the opposite opinion lol. Rather he looked like a doctor than a yacht club member :/ country club maybe. I guess you don't need a yacht in Arizona xD
Yes true....I always expect them to spin and squirt water...it's a mental picture I cannot erase. You might as well wear a cap with a propeller IMO
@@arthol51 I know it is purely psychological, but i have difficulty taking anyone seriously when they are wearing a bow tie.
An ailen observing major sporting events in America would not know there's an ongoing pandemic. Seriously, I saw 1-2 people wearing masks out of countless thousands. Maybe this is why aliens just whiz by and don't stay for a cup of coffee. Would you?
Did you see Times Square last night ? Hardly anyone had a mask but if you think about it people who would go there probably don’t care about masks. So there ya go.
I couldn't agree more, it's time to stop protecting the unvaccinated (adults).
They also aren't in any way interested in your "protection", and never asked for it. 🤷♂️
@@kellanaldous7092 because they are selfish and don’t care about anyone else.
@@jenibarra385 Your comment might be true for some. But it is an unfair over-generalization. I respectfully disagree with the way your point is stated.
@@jenibarra385 I agree. It's so sad because heart attacks, strokes, broken bones, surgeries, and essential scans are still very common and treatment is very much delayed because hospitals and ERs are so overwhelmed by unvaccinated covid patients. It is selfish.
Yes your right, we should no longer offer them our protection.
In fact I think that we should shave their heads in public to humiliate them and then make them wear a large yellow star to show everyone how unclean they are. Making them ring a bell as they walk jobless and unloved while being reviled by us fully vaxed virtuous godlike souls sounds about right as well.
OMG. Doctors were loosing their job last year for saying that! What has changed? Anyone enlighten me.
Saying what exactly? It is a long interview
Happy New Year!