I found something in FNaF 6 hidden in plain sight that solves the beginning of FNaF/the killer’s main motive. However, it is very controversial and it would take me a long time to type up so I’ll only bring it up if you REALLY wanna hear it. It throws everything we THINK we know into question.
In Sister Location Custom Night Funtime Freddy says things like "Oh, birthday boy!" And I thought the characters were all just talking about birthday parties to reference the crying child or something
Technically, they are CC/David since his endo, Golden Freddy, got molten alongside the 4 other FNAF 1 endos. Which later got injected into the 3 other main funtimes.
For me, every custom night games are just metaphoric to the lore and not evident. (Ultimate Custom Night is a gameplay of the vengeful spirit tormenting william eternally, the gameplay is not part of the lore, but metaphorically it is, same thought to other custom nights). So like the other reply said, I do also think its just a metaphor of the missing children.
I personally found the 223 being short for 2023 is strange. When nobody ever writes a date using the first, third, and fourth digit. If it was HRY23 or HRY2023 I would believe it. I think if anything it's the number of recoding Henry has done. If anything it would make more sense for it to be a date like February 23. FNaF 3 would most likely take place in or around October with how horror attraction pop up around then. Meaning the recoding could have been done the next year. I agree with the 2015 date for FNaF 3 and my assumption is that FNaF takes place in 16 or more like fall of 2017. PS: I could actually see Scott trolling the fans who thought FNaF 3 took place in 2023 with making the recoding number be HRY223. Because it's a close but no cigar kind of troll thing.
Most people assume that FNAF 3 takes place in the early 2020s because the previous location (The one from the first game) seemingly closed during the 1990s and the description of FNAF 3 told us how Fazbear's Fright: The Horror Attraction opened "30 years after the closing of Freddy Fazbear's Pizza". However, it's also possible that the game could take place during the late 2010s; 30 years after the closing of the FNAF 2 location (You know, the location of the game released right before FNAF 3).
@@angelbasiliorodriguezbusto2065the part of the steam description where it says “the stuff that happened there is now only childhood memory and myth” or whatever is clearly referring to the MCI though, which has been multiple times confirmed to be in 1985
If we are using that kind of logic, then why would Henry hyphenate his name like that? And why would his name a file after himself in the first place? It doesn’t make sense with real world logic, but it does work if it’s a hint to who and when.
The logbook “where do you see yourself in 5 years” and the gravestone absolutely sold me on this, if none of the other actual years end up being accurate at the very least I’m sticking to FFPS being 5 years after FNAF 3. This is fantastic👌
This is a great theory! I feel the date Elizabeth died being what Baby whispers is a cool detail! But I feel that deeming the numbers as "scrambled" is very arbitrary. Occam's Razor would say that "1-5-8-7" would mean January 5th, 1987 (or possibly the 1st of May, 1987 bc the Aftons are Brits). Keep up the awesome work tho!
TBH, while I do think this methodology is pretty flimsy, I still think you could apply it better. Firstly, I've recently started to be very against the idea of fnaf 3 being 30 years after fnaf 1, because it just doesn't make any sense with the phrasing. "30 years after the closing of FF's pizza, where the tragedies that took place have become rumors and legends" that sounds more like it's talking about the mci, or maybe even the bite of '87 than it does fnaf 1. Therefore, I think fnaf 3 takes place in either 2015, or 2017(probably 2015). Secondly, I don't see why the date of Elizabeth's death would have to be scrambled. I think it would make more sense to just be the date said "1/5/87" january 5th, 1987(using the american system since fnaf takes place in utah). And low and behold, january 5th, 2017 is a thursday. Therefore, fnaf 6 takes place on the first week of january, 2017.
Also also, the insanity ending isn't evidence for anything, because who would shorten 2023 to 223. It could just as easily mean 2/23(febuary 23rd) or 22/3(march 22nd)
2:12 There's another evidence that supports 1998 is the date There's a Disney trademark reference in TWB. ''You would say this place is the happiest place on earth, if you didn't about a new trademark'' and Happiest Place trademark is founded in 1998
You also have to keep in mind that the Aftons are brits, and thus 1/5/87 has to be read as the 1st of May, 1987, as they use the same date order as pretty much every country on the planet except the US.
Honestly, thats pretty damb compelling. I was gonna point out why you didn't use 1/5/87 or 5/1/87. But then you used the Calender. Brilliant 👏 I dont even think I disagree with anything you said... but I'll watch again later to see if that's the case.
I have an insane thought. What if Elizabeth didn't die after being pulled into Baby? Perhaps she was terribly injured, traumatized, and lost blood. That sort of trauma might be enough to possess Baby with a portion of her soul. Dave survived his trauma, for a while.
1:52 1998 comes from the Disney tagline "the happiest place on earth" Copyright date, and Rye Toast's vid on the topic. HOWEVER......2:06+2:12 There is a simpsons episode (season 4 ep 4) from October 1992 that makes reference to Disney having the copyright. Reading TWB's line again amd it doesn't HAVE to mean the copyright exists, only that it's a worry Ralph has if Freddy's used it. And the simpsons episode has Disney going after Skinner due to using it. In combo with Ralph making movie references and THIS being a simpsons reference from a month old episode would make more sense. So I believe THIS, plus the other evidence points to Fnaf 1 being in 1992. 4:54 Ya. I believe it's Jan 7th 1985. The only date that happens before the MCI, but AFTER 1983 (as per TSE trilogy). I made a longer conment on my thought on the original short. 7:52 Finally...if Fnaf 3 is 30 years after the MCI (the horrible tragedies), making it 2015.....7:02 2016 has a Thursday 7th January. Plus since Tales is implies the mid-1970s is 40 years before the Pizzaplex. Makes 2016 is Pizza Sim makes sense. 1979 (when SOTM happens) plus 41 (If Edwin is 24 in 1979 and 64, about to turn 65, in 2020) makes 2020 the 1st year of the Pizzaplex. Meaning it opened in 2019, giving a FULL 3 years for it to open. As for 223... Vanessa's email is Nessie 97, and is said to be 23 in AR....meaning it's 2020 in AR. However, she is ALSO born in September, making it become Nessie (September 7th). Apply this to HRY223 amd we have HRY (February 23rd), EXACTLY 7 days before Fnaf 3 released, MONDAY 2nd March 2015. (And Fnaf 3 happens on a Monday, as Phone Dude mentions it's JUST been a weekend)
another piece of evidence against 1998 is that the trademark for "the happiest place on earth" (slogans are technically trademarked not copywrited) was only filed in 1998, the trademark wasn't registered untill 1999
GREAT VIDEO!!!!! I always found curious how FFPS tried to solve several loose ends of the franchise but ended up creating bigger questions Things like Midnight Motorist (Which I'm almost sure is a story about William, Michael and William's wife, set some time after crying child's demise) or the placement of events in the timeline are the stuff keep me awake at night, so it's always nice to see new theories that try to solve those mysteries
Actually I can't say that you should over thinking. Scott thinking is almost the same as me, so I pretty much can understand the game story a bit. Use real world as reference but at the same time not all is worth to think about. I'm just saying you want to believe or not it's up to you.
9:01 Eyy that's me! So glad I deceided tocomment twice just to share something I found. And I'll gladly share my thoughts again.I should of known it's he something rekating to the 1-5-8-7 thing. Unfortunately I'm not fully convinced. Mainly because it was the 1-5-8-7 thing. Just because it's something "random" in an otherwise solid theory. And I don't mean Scott put it there randomly, no I mean the order us literally random. And I don't think there's any other piece of lore in this franchise where the clue is a random set of numbers stated in a randomized order. It just feel iffy to me for Scott to put a clue that way. I think someone else did a reddit post with the hundred of dates you could come to based on those numbers alone. If it is Elizabeth's birthday then it'd have to be January 7th which does lilne up with 2027 as you said. But the thing is, while Elizabeth as ScrapBaby does talk about her birthday and a supposed gift she mentions a gift twice and her birthday once. And she also says "It feels like home." Unless she's referring to Sister Location, which imo doesn't make much sense considering her goal was to escape it, then why does this place feel like home? Is it secretly the Afton house? Fredbear's? Also she can get into the building before night four I believe if your risk is to high, (at least I believe so it's been a while so I'm having trouble remembering how 6 works) but that does make sense with "feel" if she believes it's close to her birthday. But this line to me just feels like more setup/foreshadowing of her later speech in the game. She believes William, her father, set this all up. So to her it's now a gift, her father is giving her something so it feel like her birthday, in the same way she believed Circus Baby was a gift for her. Lole again I see all the evidence and it does make some sense but to me it just feels... Off. Like there's a clue missing ot something? I won't discount it at all, this is still a valid theory but it falls short in my eyes. Especially since I believe 6 is meant to be a rushed job by Henry. Trying to bring it all to end as fast as he could. Evidence by him trying again and again, continuing on even if ppl die or get injured. How he gives the nightguard no doors or really anything to truly keep him safe. But that's not my only problem. In fnaf Ar the 1-5-8-7 code is refrenced! 8-Bit baby has it flash all around her! So the idea it is her birthday or her death date is interesting and makes more sense... but it's all still randomized. And Scott has a tendency to pike light fun at theories when they're wrong. I-e the Dream Geist. So is this him trying to say it's just an easter egg or is it important? Like the previous games ending on friday the 13th? Does that just not matter this game, it didn’t in SL so I suppose not. But is that the point of the numbers? They're not just random creepy ambience? I don't know. It's why in my own timeline I just list things like: SL gameplay, anywhere between late 1985 to 1988, or fnaf 1 anywhere between 1988 to 1998. There's still no definitive answer no matter what you or I may believe. But that's a cop out. Same with assuming Scott didn't care or think of when it might take place. I think I might go looking through 6 myself to see if there's anything else important. Great video as always and I'm lookng forward to the next but... I don't know how to take this answer at all.
Yeah, Withered has taken out from the oven another banger. Seriously, love your videos man. Thinking about It it makes sense, I don't know why but why all your theories make sense? I'll sell to It.
I really like this theory. I also found the other theory really odd, fnaf 1 seems to take place in the early 90s since the first game, and there's more evidence for that. As for this theory, I'm sold on it. It's so weird to think that security breach is probably in the 30s
Something that I don't think gets talked about enough is how old we expect the characters to be. The animations don't matter, since they're hypothetically immortal (and restless), but the human characters are at least worth noting. Okay, we know Michael was about 12-14 in 1983, due to him being a pre-teen to early teen in the cutscenes. Let's shoot for the middle, and say he's 13, and was born in 1970. Well, that would make him 57 by 2027. Granted, he may be immortal as well due to being scooped, so let's instead turn to Henrey. If we're to assume he's the same age as Willian, he'd have to be old enough to have a 13 year old child. While possible, media franchises hardly ever want to portrays their protagonist as teen parents, so let's say William had Michael at 18. Again, assuming Henrey is the same age, meaning he'd be 75 by 2027. And even if we said they weren't the same age, we have to at least account for Henrey to have a daughter. I think she's like 3 in the books, so let's go with that, since it's being the most generous. He'd still be 65 by 2027. While not impossible, I find it hard to believe these characters are those ages. Maybe we need to analyze the dates to be close, making a more believe timeline.
I think you're really on to something here! The 1587 is definitely important, but tying FFPS Baby's annoying rambling (sorry baby but please for the love of God stop monologuing) to a solid date is super compelling.
The big problem with this theory is that those numbers also give you May 1st 1987 and January 5th 1987, as well as some 70s and 50s dates that probably(?) don’t make any sense. If the part of your theory that Thursday is her birthday in Fnaf 6 is correct, there very definitely a Thursday, January 5th in 2017, the year the game came out. This is extremely circumstantial at best for either argument, but 2017 as a date for Pizzaria Simulator creates far fewer problems for the post UCN timeline than 2023 does, especially since HRY223 is very flimsy evidence Also, I don’t want to totally write off 1978 as Elizabeth’s birthday since we don’t really know when she died - if that were the case she’d be five in FNAF 4 which I guess checks out, if that is indeed her room. You could also make the case that you’re supposed to flip 78 to become 87 to get her death year, which would make her nine when she died, which… I suppose? Her voice lines sound a bit younger than nine but I wouldn’t rule it out completely
Heres the thing: Elizabeths death at CBPW has to be before June 26th 1985 (the MCI) because William gets charged and convicted for the MCI, he gets arrested and then shortly let go after due to "not enough evidence", this is where he loses a ton of weight and goes by the alias Dave Müller. I doubt anyone would go to a childrens restaurant made by a convicted child murderer, especially one whos fleeing. I imagine that Ellies death and rebirth as Circus Baby was shortly before the MCI, say June 25th or June 24th.
Well all this depends on FNAF 3 year and it seem less and less like it’s 2023 now, the Logbook was what started this but the weird details people just want to ignore in AR and SB really make us questions what year the games all take place. On FNAF 2 have a confirm date.
The Mimic might cause a problem in the timeline… its story in tales from the puzzaplex and by extension, Secret of the Mimic are confirmed to be set in 1979 and the early/late 70s. Edwin Murray, a 64 year old man by the time of The Storyteller is confirmed to be at least 29 years old by the time The Mimic takes place (when he first made the Mimic and lost his Son, David Sean Murray in the process… meaning that security Breach in set in 2013 or later (way before the proposed date that FFPS supposedly takes place (2027) to the point where as of Security Breach, Freddy Fazbear’s Pizza Place is already deep underground below the Pizzaplex). And, given the technology that is seen in Pizzeria simulator, that computer that is seen in the office during the underground shifts look like one those 2000s Apple Macintoshes (only if it looked like a 90s TV, redeveloped into a touch screen monitor… but I guess Henry had to get creative when developing the technology in the building). One more thing, the question that’s asking about Mike’s career path for the next 5 years kinda gives some type of fluidity… he could have burned to death 1, 2 or even close to 4 years (that being that FNaF Pizza simulator is set on a 5-year range after Mike’s events with the Survival Logbook. All in all, I do agree FNaF 1 is at least set in 1992 to match the paychecks seen in FNaF 2 (despite FNaF 2’s weekly payday being set from Tuesday to Saturday… but I’m not one to judge (well I am, but that just me saying it))… and I agree, The Week before was a good way to explain what was happening before Mike’s first week, so… good theory. (Do take this comment into consideration).
Just want to point out that all dates from 1995-1999 for fnaf 1 are heavily implied/confirmed by the week before, as Copelia turns 12 in Decemeber of the year fnaf 1 happens, and we are also told shes born while hes working at freddys which opens in 1983, meaning fnaf 1 has to happen 1995+, also another thing but AR is all but confirmed to happen in the hear 2020 shortly after the Pizzaplex opens, which lines up with tales saying the pizzaplex opens in 2019, so fnaf 3/6 most likely dont happen in 2022/2027
The issue I've always had with HRY223 is that it not only reads as a standard file name (owner of log and log number), but trying to assign the numbers to dates adds too many variables depending on the format of calendar used: Month/year (Feb 2023) Year/month (March 2022) Date/month (22nd March) Month/date (23rd February) For a game about conclusions, it seems odd that Scott would put a vague variable like that; personally, I'll stick with the obvious log owner and number.
I find it way more likely fnaf 3 is 2015. As others have said, no one would use 223 to refer to 2023. And fnaf 3's in ubiverse opening being the same year as the game's release makes sense (and the inflation thing from the security logbook)
did henry only make one audio log in 2023 for his master plan that would take a lot of prep? not likely, it’s probably audio log 223. also, fnaf 3 came out in 2015 why would scott set the game a random amount of years into the future if it’s supposed to be “modern day”, the fnaf 1 location didn’t have any tragic event causing it to close, it just fell off. 1985 is when the MCI happened, the reason fazbear entertainment has a bad reputation worth making a horror attraction. the MCI location went out with a horrorfic bang, the fnaf 1 location went out with a whimper. “the 30 years after the closing” line is referencing the MCI freddy’s location
If it is a date for Elizabeth's death, it is more likely to be January 5 1987 ot the 1st of May 1987, seeing as the minigame depicts flowers and gettn grass, probably May 1 1987. With the "Multiple springlock failures at a sister location" and "the suit was from my restaraunt and never used as intended" referring to Circus Baby's Pizza World. The Springlock Suits were still in use at least until 85, possibly 87, since the tapes mention the safe rooms being sealed up, which happens in 87 or later [since they are still open in FNaF2]
May 1 1987 also lines up with your first og the month Friday thing. Also, FNaF technically takes place in Utah, which is snowbound in January, the sun is shining and flowers are blooming in the Baby minigame and the Alley in FNaF6 is rain-soaked, not snow-covered. The Halloween related posters in ScrapTrap's alley are because he is free because of a Halloween attraction.
I think this is an interesting way to look at things, I like that you used Mike’s quote in the SL, but… its very unlikely. Before TWB and ITPG, I actually considered fnaf1 being in 1992, and fnaf3/ffps taking place around January 2022, though for different reasons. But TWB gives us a pretty clear timeline on a few things. One, she was born when Ralph first started working there, and she can’t be turning 12 or else it places FFP opening in ~1980, which, doesnt work bc it opens in 1983. I get people think this is a “glitched page” or w/e, but there’s nothing in the book that contradicts this detail. Two, and this isn’t part of the “glitched” page, if she’s 7 when she meets the animatronics, then at best, she meets them at FNAF2 and TWB would take place in 1991, not 1992. The other thing is that FNAF3/6 seem to happen around Halloween. This detail I had trouble explaining away, but with ITP i feel much more confident in saying this is the case. In ITP, we learn that by August, they were planning to do a torso inspection but it was delayed. WWF, the fnaf3 frights story, takes place in early fall. So, let’s say Freddy’s closes in early fall due to the discovery of the MCI and following police investigation. 30 years later after MCI Freddy’s closes would line up with it being early fall in FNAF3, leading into ~Halloween in FNAF6 based on the Spookfest poster. This unfortunately doesn’t work with either 1/7 or 7/1. Funny enough though, Halloween lands on a Saturday in 2015.
The october poster tells me that maybe the date could be actually 1st of july 85. July is not that far from october, and july 1st in 2027 is also on a Thursday. The only thing I don't know is how this would fit the MCI date, since I think baby should go first. And the 23 tells me Scott is probably trying to imply fnaf 3 took place in that year, making fnaf 1 take place in 1993
God if only there’s an answer to 1, 3, SL, and FFPS’s placement in the timeline then I’ll be satisfied. One problem is that The Week Before confirms that Ralph works from Monday to Friday since Coppelia goes to school each day. Which in America, School days are on Mondays to Fridays. This pokes a hole in the 1992 theory because that’ll place 11/12 to be on a Friday instead of a Thursday. I could tell that Scott copy & pasted the paycheck in order to place FNAF 2 in 1987 instead. I’m not really sure if Scrap Baby is being 1000% seriously in FFPS, but I just wish we got an Interactive Novel about her pre-FNAF3. However, the Logbook argument got me there. But still, the Spookfest really bothers me. And my reasoning is that the Novel Trilogy really emphasizes the fact that Charlie died on a Halloween, and that HW1 and HW2 implies that she died in 1983. Seeing something that connects FFPS to Fredbear’s and especially Charlie’s death location makes me lean towards the idea of FFPS being on October still. On the side note, I think FFPS is in 2024 instead because if FNAF 3 would’ve happened during Fall (What We Found indicates that the Horror Attraction was gonna open around Fall), and Henry having HRY223 to indicate that he might’ve been involved with the event, then it’s possible that FFPS is a year after FNAF 3. Or if HRY223 is February 23rd instead, it could still work under FNAF1-1993 and FFPS-2024. After all, the Logbook evidence works out for me, but I don’t fully believe in it. Personally, I still stand by as a FNAF1-1993 believer and a FFPS-2024. But FFPS-2028 (or FFFPS-2027) could work, but I personally disagree. On one hand, it kinda bothers me since the Stitchwraith Stingers don’t mention the Pizzaplex and that it’ll be coexisting with the Pizzaplex being in construction, but I just want to see the Stitchline and Talesline Reboot instead of overlooking the books due to Scholastic books being a bit inaccurate to what Scott visioned. Overall, I enjoyed the video
Just a question. Agony/Remnant was stumbled upon by William right? And then he kept experimenting to replicate and refine the process correct? Is there any hint or scrap of lore anywhere in the games or books or anywhere that says that it is anything else older? Like I don't know a gun from the civil war or a Death mask of some tyrant? Any examples of it happening before the FNAF main story?
FNAF is a very self-centered story so it doesn't reference almost any outside events. You COULD believe (this is more of a headcanon) that William went to Vietnam and saw some sort of possessive activity between soldiers and the metal they used on their armour, guns, e.t.c but that's flimsy. It's likely Remnant was discovered by William after Charlie's and Bite Victim's deaths, and the MCI and Funtimes are an experiment. As for Agony, in the games and books he never found it, so that's open to speculation
Timeline wise the death of Elizabeth is very complicated because there is evidence for her death to take place at a lot of different times including before C.C. dies which is almost definingly in 1983. With this I think it's a flawed idea to say that there is only two ways to organize 1587 into a date because there isn't. You can just leave it and there's a date 1/5/87. You can rearrange it into 5/1/87, 7/5/81, 5/7/81 and a couple of other dates but there's a lot of evidence that it took place in 80's so there's really no other way to organize it. In conclusion this is just sort of a flawed thought process because when theorizing while yes it's good to build off preexisting theories you still have to keep an open mind on other possibilities as that's the only way we will actually progress. Keeping to a strict out look on your thoughts means that it will be hard to use a possible piece of evidence for other things or come up with new theories.
@@Osanosa Hey, have a peek at this and the tweet Gibi's responding to. I mean no offense to you or your beliefs but I think you should see this x.com/GiBi_Devon/status/1858581912048074802
@@WitheredCircle well I hope you do understand that it's not the only thing that prompted me to comment this. You asked for opinions, I've provided one. I wasn't mean or disrespectful. You're misinterpreting crucial information and basing your video on it. It all falls apart.
Remember to comment your thoughts on this theory, just remember to be respectful please!
I might get cooked for this pray for me
I found something in FNaF 6 hidden in plain sight that solves the beginning of FNaF/the killer’s main motive. However, it is very controversial and it would take me a long time to type up so I’ll only bring it up if you REALLY wanna hear it. It throws everything we THINK we know into question.
I think imma cook u (jokes)
Do next FNAF Ultimate Custom Night Timeline on this Afternoon
In Sister Location Custom Night Funtime Freddy says things like "Oh, birthday boy!" And I thought the characters were all just talking about birthday parties to reference the crying child or something
Technically, they are CC/David since his endo, Golden Freddy, got molten alongside the 4 other FNAF 1 endos. Which later got injected into the 3 other main funtimes.
I think it’s reference to Gabriel of The MCI.
Why? Bc Gabriel died in his birthday party
For me, every custom night games are just metaphoric to the lore and not evident. (Ultimate Custom Night is a gameplay of the vengeful spirit tormenting william eternally, the gameplay is not part of the lore, but metaphorically it is, same thought to other custom nights). So like the other reply said, I do also think its just a metaphor of the missing children.
I think you are overthinking it. Birthdays were probably the number one reason someone would rent a fun time animatronic for an event.
He also had built-in programing and lines made to lure children away from their parents and he might just be using those.
I personally found the 223 being short for 2023 is strange. When nobody ever writes a date using the first, third, and fourth digit.
If it was HRY23 or HRY2023 I would believe it. I think if anything it's the number of recoding Henry has done. If anything it would make more sense for it to be a date like February 23. FNaF 3 would most likely take place in or around October with how horror attraction pop up around then. Meaning the recoding could have been done the next year.
I agree with the 2015 date for FNaF 3 and my assumption is that FNaF takes place in 16 or more like fall of 2017.
PS: I could actually see Scott trolling the fans who thought FNaF 3 took place in 2023 with making the recoding number be HRY223. Because it's a close but no cigar kind of troll thing.
it could be HRY223 = Henry recorded the message on 2/23 (so february in 2023).
Most people assume that FNAF 3 takes place in the early 2020s because the previous location (The one from the first game) seemingly closed during the 1990s and the description of FNAF 3 told us how Fazbear's Fright: The Horror Attraction opened "30 years after the closing of Freddy Fazbear's Pizza".
However, it's also possible that the game could take place during the late 2010s; 30 years after the closing of the FNAF 2 location (You know, the location of the game released right before FNAF 3).
@@angelbasiliorodriguezbusto2065Or maybe even the first location (1983 or 1985)
@@angelbasiliorodriguezbusto2065the part of the steam description where it says “the stuff that happened there is now only childhood memory and myth” or whatever is clearly referring to the MCI though, which has been multiple times confirmed to be in 1985
If we are using that kind of logic, then why would Henry hyphenate his name like that? And why would his name a file after himself in the first place? It doesn’t make sense with real world logic, but it does work if it’s a hint to who and when.
While idk if I am sold on this theory, I never really thought about the "it's like, my birthday" line which is very interesting
The logbook “where do you see yourself in 5 years” and the gravestone absolutely sold me on this, if none of the other actual years end up being accurate at the very least I’m sticking to FFPS being 5 years after FNAF 3. This is fantastic👌
ironically, faded text (Cassidy) writes "MY NAME" on it
Wow, I just got how dark that is.
Candi buunny mentioned?! We've really come... full circle. 🎉
Would be awesome to collab with her, she's really been pushing out some awesome stuff recently
Candi withered and unwithered at best friends at this point, idk about hyperdroid tho
@@Duckz4bucks HyperDroid solved C.C.'s name (Dave), apparently
@@kawafernandes7025 I personally believe that theory, but it hasn’t been 100% confirmed yet
This is a great theory! I feel the date Elizabeth died being what Baby whispers is a cool detail! But I feel that deeming the numbers as "scrambled" is very arbitrary. Occam's Razor would say that "1-5-8-7" would mean January 5th, 1987 (or possibly the 1st of May, 1987 bc the Aftons are Brits). Keep up the awesome work tho!
yea and it also close to the other mass death the dci
1 5 8 7 is said in a random order, she doesn't say them in order like that. thanks btw :)
@@WitheredCircle Oh, sorry then, my mistake. And yeah, np!
@@WitheredCircle She has to die before the MCI
TBH, while I do think this methodology is pretty flimsy, I still think you could apply it better. Firstly, I've recently started to be very against the idea of fnaf 3 being 30 years after fnaf 1, because it just doesn't make any sense with the phrasing. "30 years after the closing of FF's pizza, where the tragedies that took place have become rumors and legends" that sounds more like it's talking about the mci, or maybe even the bite of '87 than it does fnaf 1. Therefore, I think fnaf 3 takes place in either 2015, or 2017(probably 2015). Secondly, I don't see why the date of Elizabeth's death would have to be scrambled. I think it would make more sense to just be the date said "1/5/87" january 5th, 1987(using the american system since fnaf takes place in utah). And low and behold, january 5th, 2017 is a thursday. Therefore, fnaf 6 takes place on the first week of january, 2017.
Also, I prefer these dates because they’re actually within their respective games relase years. (2015 for fnaf 3 and 2017 for fnaf 6)
Also also, the insanity ending isn't evidence for anything, because who would shorten 2023 to 223. It could just as easily mean 2/23(febuary 23rd) or 22/3(march 22nd)
2:12 There's another evidence that supports 1998 is the date
There's a Disney trademark reference in TWB. ''You would say this place is the happiest place on earth, if you didn't about a new trademark'' and Happiest Place trademark is founded in 1998
I dont even care about fnaf, i just find your rambling kinda nice to listen to. Great video 👍
I mean, HRY223 could be February 23rd
1587, the order they appear in, implies 1/5/87 so Jan 5th, 1987
the numbers Baby says change order randomly.
@@IamPiggyman oh didn't know that, but my point still stands, the numbers can be a date in 1987
i just dont see why scott would put in a month and a day in what we all assumed to be the last game. like a year just makes so much sense narratively.
You also have to keep in mind that the Aftons are brits, and thus 1/5/87 has to be read as the 1st of May, 1987, as they use the same date order as pretty much every country on the planet except the US.
I think February 23rd is actually Henry's birthday
Holy crap that makes so much sense. The poster rational even worked for me. I'm sold
The fourth closet puts elizabeth before the mci
So january 7th, 1985
This. For me at least it makes sense if baby comes first, in her flashbacks there's no mention of the mci yet
Honestly, thats pretty damb compelling. I was gonna point out why you didn't use 1/5/87 or 5/1/87. But then you used the Calender. Brilliant 👏 I dont even think I disagree with anything you said... but I'll watch again later to see if that's the case.
I have an insane thought. What if Elizabeth didn't die after being pulled into Baby? Perhaps she was terribly injured, traumatized, and lost blood. That sort of trauma might be enough to possess Baby with a portion of her soul. Dave survived his trauma, for a while.
Then you have to wonder, what happened to her after that? You have any ideas?
1:52 1998 comes from the Disney tagline "the happiest place on earth" Copyright date, and Rye Toast's vid on the topic.
HOWEVER......2:06+2:12
There is a simpsons episode (season 4 ep 4) from October 1992 that makes reference to Disney having the copyright.
Reading TWB's line again amd it doesn't HAVE to mean the copyright exists, only that it's a worry Ralph has if Freddy's used it. And the simpsons episode has Disney going after Skinner due to using it.
In combo with Ralph making movie references and THIS being a simpsons reference from a month old episode would make more sense.
So I believe THIS, plus the other evidence points to Fnaf 1 being in 1992.
4:54 Ya. I believe it's Jan 7th 1985. The only date that happens before the MCI, but AFTER 1983 (as per TSE trilogy). I made a longer conment on my thought on the original short.
7:52 Finally...if Fnaf 3 is 30 years after the MCI (the horrible tragedies), making it 2015.....7:02 2016 has a Thursday 7th January.
Plus since Tales is implies the mid-1970s is 40 years before the Pizzaplex. Makes 2016 is Pizza Sim makes sense.
1979 (when SOTM happens) plus 41 (If Edwin is 24 in 1979 and 64, about to turn 65, in 2020) makes 2020 the 1st year of the Pizzaplex.
Meaning it opened in 2019, giving a FULL 3 years for it to open.
As for 223... Vanessa's email is Nessie 97, and is said to be 23 in AR....meaning it's 2020 in AR.
However, she is ALSO born in September, making it become Nessie (September 7th).
Apply this to HRY223 amd we have HRY (February 23rd), EXACTLY 7 days before Fnaf 3 released, MONDAY 2nd March 2015. (And Fnaf 3 happens on a Monday, as Phone Dude mentions it's JUST been a weekend)
another piece of evidence against 1998 is that the trademark for "the happiest place on earth" (slogans are technically trademarked not copywrited) was only filed in 1998, the trademark wasn't registered untill 1999
GREAT VIDEO!!!!!
I always found curious how FFPS tried to solve several loose ends of the franchise but ended up creating bigger questions
Things like Midnight Motorist (Which I'm almost sure is a story about William, Michael and William's wife, set some time after crying child's demise) or the placement of events in the timeline are the stuff keep me awake at night, so it's always nice to see new theories that try to solve those mysteries
Actually I can't say that you should over thinking. Scott thinking is almost the same as me, so I pretty much can understand the game story a bit. Use real world as reference but at the same time not all is worth to think about. I'm just saying you want to believe or not it's up to you.
9:01 Eyy that's me! So glad I deceided tocomment twice just to share something I found.
And I'll gladly share my thoughts again.I should of known it's he something rekating to the 1-5-8-7 thing. Unfortunately I'm not fully convinced. Mainly because it was the 1-5-8-7 thing.
Just because it's something "random" in an otherwise solid theory. And I don't mean Scott put it there randomly, no I mean the order us literally random. And I don't think there's any other piece of lore in this franchise where the clue is a random set of numbers stated in a randomized order. It just feel iffy to me for Scott to put a clue that way. I think someone else did a reddit post with the hundred of dates you could come to based on those numbers alone.
If it is Elizabeth's birthday then it'd have to be January 7th which does lilne up with 2027 as you said. But the thing is, while Elizabeth as ScrapBaby does talk about her birthday and a supposed gift she mentions a gift twice and her birthday once. And she also says "It feels like home." Unless she's referring to Sister Location, which imo doesn't make much sense considering her goal was to escape it, then why does this place feel like home?
Is it secretly the Afton house? Fredbear's?
Also she can get into the building before night four I believe if your risk is to high, (at least I believe so it's been a while so I'm having trouble remembering how 6 works) but that does make sense with "feel" if she believes it's close to her birthday. But this line to me just feels like more setup/foreshadowing of her later speech in the game.
She believes William, her father, set this all up. So to her it's now a gift, her father is giving her something so it feel like her birthday, in the same way she believed Circus Baby was a gift for her.
Lole again I see all the evidence and it does make some sense but to me it just feels... Off. Like there's a clue missing ot something? I won't discount it at all, this is still a valid theory but it falls short in my eyes.
Especially since I believe 6 is meant to be a rushed job by Henry. Trying to bring it all to end as fast as he could. Evidence by him trying again and again, continuing on even if ppl die or get injured. How he gives the nightguard no doors or really anything to truly keep him safe. But that's not my only problem.
In fnaf Ar the 1-5-8-7 code is refrenced! 8-Bit baby has it flash all around her! So the idea it is her birthday or her death date is interesting and makes more sense... but it's all still randomized. And Scott has a tendency to pike light fun at theories when they're wrong. I-e the Dream Geist. So is this him trying to say it's just an easter egg or is it important? Like the previous games ending on friday the 13th? Does that just not matter this game, it didn’t in SL so I suppose not. But is that the point of the numbers? They're not just random creepy ambience?
I don't know. It's why in my own timeline I just list things like: SL gameplay, anywhere between late 1985 to 1988, or fnaf 1 anywhere between 1988 to 1998. There's still no definitive answer no matter what you or I may believe. But that's a cop out. Same with assuming Scott didn't care or think of when it might take place.
I think I might go looking through 6 myself to see if there's anything else important. Great video as always and I'm lookng forward to the next but... I don't know how to take this answer at all.
Yeah, Withered has taken out from the oven another banger. Seriously, love your videos man. Thinking about It it makes sense, I don't know why but why all your theories make sense? I'll sell to It.
I really like this theory. I also found the other theory really odd, fnaf 1 seems to take place in the early 90s since the first game, and there's more evidence for that. As for this theory, I'm sold on it. It's so weird to think that security breach is probably in the 30s
Something that I don't think gets talked about enough is how old we expect the characters to be. The animations don't matter, since they're hypothetically immortal (and restless), but the human characters are at least worth noting.
Okay, we know Michael was about 12-14 in 1983, due to him being a pre-teen to early teen in the cutscenes. Let's shoot for the middle, and say he's 13, and was born in 1970. Well, that would make him 57 by 2027.
Granted, he may be immortal as well due to being scooped, so let's instead turn to Henrey. If we're to assume he's the same age as Willian, he'd have to be old enough to have a 13 year old child. While possible, media franchises hardly ever want to portrays their protagonist as teen parents, so let's say William had Michael at 18. Again, assuming Henrey is the same age, meaning he'd be 75 by 2027. And even if we said they weren't the same age, we have to at least account for Henrey to have a daughter. I think she's like 3 in the books, so let's go with that, since it's being the most generous. He'd still be 65 by 2027.
While not impossible, I find it hard to believe these characters are those ages. Maybe we need to analyze the dates to be close, making a more believe timeline.
I think you're really on to something here! The 1587 is definitely important, but tying FFPS Baby's annoying rambling (sorry baby but please for the love of God stop monologuing) to a solid date is super compelling.
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The big problem with this theory is that those numbers also give you May 1st 1987 and January 5th 1987, as well as some 70s and 50s dates that probably(?) don’t make any sense. If the part of your theory that Thursday is her birthday in Fnaf 6 is correct, there very definitely a Thursday, January 5th in 2017, the year the game came out. This is extremely circumstantial at best for either argument, but 2017 as a date for Pizzaria Simulator creates far fewer problems for the post UCN timeline than 2023 does, especially since HRY223 is very flimsy evidence
Also, I don’t want to totally write off 1978 as Elizabeth’s birthday since we don’t really know when she died - if that were the case she’d be five in FNAF 4 which I guess checks out, if that is indeed her room. You could also make the case that you’re supposed to flip 78 to become 87 to get her death year, which would make her nine when she died, which… I suppose? Her voice lines sound a bit younger than nine but I wouldn’t rule it out completely
Ralph sends copellia to school on the book
So only 1993 or 1999 are fnaf 1 definitive year
This actually makes sense reallly good theory man looking forward to ur timeline
Heres the thing: Elizabeths death at CBPW has to be before June 26th 1985 (the MCI) because William gets charged and convicted for the MCI, he gets arrested and then shortly let go after due to "not enough evidence", this is where he loses a ton of weight and goes by the alias Dave Müller.
I doubt anyone would go to a childrens restaurant made by a convicted child murderer, especially one whos fleeing.
I imagine that Ellies death and rebirth as Circus Baby was shortly before the MCI, say June 25th or June 24th.
Well all this depends on FNAF 3 year and it seem less and less like it’s 2023 now, the Logbook was what started this but the weird details people just want to ignore in AR and SB really make us questions what year the games all take place. On FNAF 2 have a confirm date.
The Mimic might cause a problem in the timeline… its story in tales from the puzzaplex and by extension, Secret of the Mimic are confirmed to be set in 1979 and the early/late 70s. Edwin Murray, a 64 year old man by the time of The Storyteller is confirmed to be at least 29 years old by the time The Mimic takes place (when he first made the Mimic and lost his Son, David Sean Murray in the process… meaning that security Breach in set in 2013 or later (way before the proposed date that FFPS supposedly takes place (2027) to the point where as of Security Breach, Freddy Fazbear’s Pizza Place is already deep underground below the Pizzaplex).
And, given the technology that is seen in Pizzeria simulator, that computer that is seen in the office during the underground shifts look like one those 2000s Apple Macintoshes (only if it looked like a 90s TV, redeveloped into a touch screen monitor… but I guess Henry had to get creative when developing the technology in the building).
One more thing, the question that’s asking about Mike’s career path for the next 5 years kinda gives some type of fluidity… he could have burned to death 1, 2 or even close to 4 years (that being that FNaF Pizza simulator is set on a 5-year range after Mike’s events with the Survival Logbook.
All in all, I do agree FNaF 1 is at least set in 1992 to match the paychecks seen in FNaF 2 (despite FNaF 2’s weekly payday being set from Tuesday to Saturday… but I’m not one to judge (well I am, but that just me saying it))… and I agree, The Week before was a good way to explain what was happening before Mike’s first week, so… good theory. (Do take this comment into consideration).
Maybe the Mimic can fit in as an intended prototype model for FNAF Animatronic endoskeletons possibly? I'm not so sure anymore 🤔
when do you place ffps and fnaf 3? fnaf 3 is 30 years after what if security breach happens in 2010s?
Just want to point out that all dates from 1995-1999 for fnaf 1 are heavily implied/confirmed by the week before, as Copelia turns 12 in Decemeber of the year fnaf 1 happens, and we are also told shes born while hes working at freddys which opens in 1983, meaning fnaf 1 has to happen 1995+, also another thing but AR is all but confirmed to happen in the hear 2020 shortly after the Pizzaplex opens, which lines up with tales saying the pizzaplex opens in 2019, so fnaf 3/6 most likely dont happen in 2022/2027
I disagree, but I like it.
FNAF theory > College Homework
The issue I've always had with HRY223 is that it not only reads as a standard file name (owner of log and log number), but trying to assign the numbers to dates adds too many variables depending on the format of calendar used:
Month/year (Feb 2023)
Year/month (March 2022)
Date/month (22nd March)
Month/date (23rd February)
For a game about conclusions, it seems odd that Scott would put a vague variable like that; personally, I'll stick with the obvious log owner and number.
I find it way more likely fnaf 3 is 2015. As others have said, no one would use 223 to refer to 2023. And fnaf 3's in ubiverse opening being the same year as the game's release makes sense (and the inflation thing from the security logbook)
did henry only make one audio log in 2023 for his master plan that would take a lot of prep? not likely, it’s probably audio log 223. also, fnaf 3 came out in 2015 why would scott set the game a random amount of years into the future if it’s supposed to be “modern day”, the fnaf 1 location didn’t have any tragic event causing it to close, it just fell off. 1985 is when the MCI happened, the reason fazbear entertainment has a bad reputation worth making a horror attraction. the MCI location went out with a horrorfic bang, the fnaf 1 location went out with a whimper. “the 30 years after the closing” line is referencing the MCI freddy’s location
If it is a date for Elizabeth's death, it is more likely to be January 5 1987 ot the 1st of May 1987, seeing as the minigame depicts flowers and gettn grass, probably May 1 1987. With the "Multiple springlock failures at a sister location" and "the suit was from my restaraunt and never used as intended" referring to Circus Baby's Pizza World. The Springlock Suits were still in use at least until 85, possibly 87, since the tapes mention the safe rooms being sealed up, which happens in 87 or later [since they are still open in FNaF2]
May 1 1987 also lines up with your first og the month Friday thing. Also, FNaF technically takes place in Utah, which is snowbound in January, the sun is shining and flowers are blooming in the Baby minigame and the Alley in FNaF6 is rain-soaked, not snow-covered. The Halloween related posters in ScrapTrap's alley are because he is free because of a Halloween attraction.
I think this is an interesting way to look at things, I like that you used Mike’s quote in the SL, but… its very unlikely.
Before TWB and ITPG, I actually considered fnaf1 being in 1992, and fnaf3/ffps taking place around January 2022, though for different reasons.
But TWB gives us a pretty clear timeline on a few things.
One, she was born when Ralph first started working there, and she can’t be turning 12 or else it places FFP opening in ~1980, which, doesnt work bc it opens in 1983. I get people think this is a “glitched page” or w/e, but there’s nothing in the book that contradicts this detail.
Two, and this isn’t part of the “glitched” page, if she’s 7 when she meets the animatronics, then at best, she meets them at FNAF2 and TWB would take place in 1991, not 1992.
The other thing is that FNAF3/6 seem to happen around Halloween. This detail I had trouble explaining away, but with ITP i feel much more confident in saying this is the case. In ITP, we learn that by August, they were planning to do a torso inspection but it was delayed. WWF, the fnaf3 frights story, takes place in early fall. So, let’s say Freddy’s closes in early fall due to the discovery of the MCI and following police investigation. 30 years later after MCI Freddy’s closes would line up with it being early fall in FNAF3, leading into ~Halloween in FNAF6 based on the Spookfest poster. This unfortunately doesn’t work with either 1/7 or 7/1. Funny enough though, Halloween lands on a Saturday in 2015.
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The october poster tells me that maybe the date could be actually 1st of july 85. July is not that far from october, and july 1st in 2027 is also on a Thursday. The only thing I don't know is how this would fit the MCI date, since I think baby should go first. And the 23 tells me Scott is probably trying to imply fnaf 3 took place in that year, making fnaf 1 take place in 1993
God if only there’s an answer to 1, 3, SL, and FFPS’s placement in the timeline then I’ll be satisfied.
One problem is that The Week Before confirms that Ralph works from Monday to Friday since Coppelia goes to school each day. Which in America, School days are on Mondays to Fridays.
This pokes a hole in the 1992 theory because that’ll place 11/12 to be on a Friday instead of a Thursday.
I could tell that Scott copy & pasted the paycheck in order to place FNAF 2 in 1987 instead.
I’m not really sure if Scrap Baby is being 1000% seriously in FFPS, but I just wish we got an Interactive Novel about her pre-FNAF3. However, the Logbook argument got me there.
But still, the Spookfest really bothers me. And my reasoning is that the Novel Trilogy really emphasizes the fact that Charlie died on a Halloween, and that HW1 and HW2 implies that she died in 1983. Seeing something that connects FFPS to Fredbear’s and especially Charlie’s death location makes me lean towards the idea of FFPS being on October still.
On the side note, I think FFPS is in 2024 instead because if FNAF 3 would’ve happened during Fall (What We Found indicates that the Horror Attraction was gonna open around Fall), and Henry having HRY223 to indicate that he might’ve been involved with the event, then it’s possible that FFPS is a year after FNAF 3.
Or if HRY223 is February 23rd instead, it could still work under FNAF1-1993 and FFPS-2024.
After all, the Logbook evidence works out for me, but I don’t fully believe in it.
Personally, I still stand by as a FNAF1-1993 believer and a FFPS-2024. But FFPS-2028 (or FFFPS-2027) could work, but I personally disagree.
On one hand, it kinda bothers me since the Stitchwraith Stingers don’t mention the Pizzaplex and that it’ll be coexisting with the Pizzaplex being in construction, but I just want to see the Stitchline and Talesline Reboot instead of overlooking the books due to Scholastic books being a bit inaccurate to what Scott visioned.
Overall, I enjoyed the video
The mimic mask from the secret of the mimic looks like a Afton creation
Just a question. Agony/Remnant was stumbled upon by William right? And then he kept experimenting to replicate and refine the process correct? Is there any hint or scrap of lore anywhere in the games or books or anywhere that says that it is anything else older? Like I don't know a gun from the civil war or a Death mask of some tyrant? Any examples of it happening before the FNAF main story?
FNAF is a very self-centered story so it doesn't reference almost any outside events. You COULD believe (this is more of a headcanon) that William went to Vietnam and saw some sort of possessive activity between soldiers and the metal they used on their armour, guns, e.t.c but that's flimsy.
It's likely Remnant was discovered by William after Charlie's and Bite Victim's deaths, and the MCI and Funtimes are an experiment. As for Agony, in the games and books he never found it, so that's open to speculation
@WitheredCircle yeah or like a gremlins situation where he stumbled on some text or sample and it drove him crazy
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Timeline wise the death of Elizabeth is very complicated because there is evidence for her death to take place at a lot of different times including before C.C. dies which is almost definingly in 1983. With this I think it's a flawed idea to say that there is only two ways to organize 1587 into a date because there isn't. You can just leave it and there's a date 1/5/87. You can rearrange it into 5/1/87, 7/5/81, 5/7/81 and a couple of other dates but there's a lot of evidence that it took place in 80's so there's really no other way to organize it. In conclusion this is just sort of a flawed thought process because when theorizing while yes it's good to build off preexisting theories you still have to keep an open mind on other possibilities as that's the only way we will actually progress. Keeping to a strict out look on your thoughts means that it will be hard to use a possible piece of evidence for other things or come up with new theories.
It’s 30 years after fnaf 2 not one
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I’m starting a boycott on all these videos that have “solved” anything in FNAF. It’s gotten ridiculous.
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Cope. Watch latest GiBi's video, it's not 2023
fun fact: taking videos for granted is a bad thing and critical thinking is important.
also I never said FNAF 3 was 2023
GiBi is not Scott Cawthon.
@@Starbear_Ent how could you be so sure? Have you ever seen them both in the same room simultaneously?
@@Osanosa Hey, have a peek at this and the tweet Gibi's responding to. I mean no offense to you or your beliefs but I think you should see this
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@@WitheredCircle well I hope you do understand that it's not the only thing that prompted me to comment this. You asked for opinions, I've provided one. I wasn't mean or disrespectful. You're misinterpreting crucial information and basing your video on it. It all falls apart.
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