So essentially, the purpose of all the physically demanding poses in Yoga were to strengthen the body to take the strains of extended periods of meditation. In the modern practice of Yoga, the strengthening exercises are goals in themselves for personal well being rather than being a pathway to unlock secrets of the mind via meditation.
Very interesting, deep, and inviting as all of the subjects presented by the British Museum are. Thank you for this lecture. One of the things that struck me was how tantra claims that everything within the universe is also within the body. This parallels modern knowledge, as Carl Sagan said: "We are stardust", meaning all chemical elements are found in the universe and are created inside stars. Yet compound elements, like bodily fluids, are not found in the universe but only inside the body, where they are specific and they define individual bodies.
Thank you so much. I always found that i can meditate really good in savasana. Not only after a yoga class but in general. Good to know it was a meditation pose too. What were the other practices related to it? Thank you 🙏🏿🌞
Hello! amazing, as always with Dr. James Mallinson. I´ve got a question...that standing version of trikonasana doesnt seem to appear until the 19 century, as I understand, the first trikonasana was in a Jain manuscript, jogasana, however is a seated posture. Is there new evidence for our current trikonasana in older texts? cheers!
Yes, as mentioned at the end of the video, physical postures serve as a preparation for deeper practice, they're preliminary. Enlightenment would supposedly come from further more advanced and subtle practice
It is wrong to say that tantra is not as old as yoga, merely based on a study of late literary sources. You get into the problem of which ‘literary’ as well as oral sources are valid and relevant sources to take into consideration, and you appear to have a very western view on that. Similar with your categorical statement about which yoga pose was earliest and when. You’re forgetting, amazingly, that Shiva himself was deemed the founder of yoga and his most famous poses are both the one legged balancing stance and the lotus pose. Notably, Shiva’s yoga was practiced at the same time as his sacred sexual union with Parvati thus making the origins of yoga and original tantrism (their yab yum) simultaneous and much further back in time than 500 BC. Basically these practices were ritualistic enactments of the myths surrounding Shiva and Parvati/Shakti, probably practiced long before written literary texts started describing them.
@@juliancho1983 For example: David Gordon White, “The Alchemical Body”; Douglas Brooks, “The Secret of the Three Cities: An Introduction to Hindu Sakta Tantrism”; Teun Goudriaan and Jan Schoterman, “Kubjikamata Tantra”, and others. Also the ancient Hindu Vedas.
Earliest evidence of Śiva worship is in the work of the grammarian Patañjali commenting in his Vyākaranamahābhāsya on the Astādhyāyī , probably written around the middle of the 2nd century BC. All of the early sources mentioning Hațha Yoga (the one popular today, in which physical practices predominate) are tantric Buddhist.
It's amusing how every specific thing they said or believed is trivially wrong. And yet people still devote themselves to doing all those poses. (Not unlike Aristotle; wrong about just about everything he said, at least in physics, and yet regarded as a genius to this day.)
Cause his methodology is what build into what we use today, empirical evidence above everything else (at least that's what I heard about Aristotle, didn't read much of him directly).
So essentially, the purpose of all the physically demanding poses in Yoga were to strengthen the body to take the strains of extended periods of meditation. In the modern practice of Yoga, the strengthening exercises are goals in themselves for personal well being rather than being a pathway to unlock secrets of the mind via meditation.
Very interesting, deep, and inviting as all of the subjects presented by the British Museum are. Thank you for this lecture.
One of the things that struck me was how tantra claims that everything within the universe is also within the body. This parallels modern knowledge, as Carl Sagan said: "We are stardust", meaning all chemical elements are found in the universe and are created inside stars. Yet compound elements, like bodily fluids, are not found in the universe but only inside the body, where they are specific and they define individual bodies.
Thanku sir giving such valuable information @Dr. James Mallinson
Thank you Jim and SOAS. Amazing works.
Thanks, as usual, brilliant and informative Dr. Mallinson
Thanks for this - sorry I can’t come to London to see it due to Covid constraints - I hope it can be prolonged! 🙏🏻
I looked specifically for the link between the two... thankyou for you!!
Interesting talk with illustrations and yoga demonstrations.
This was very interesting from the art history angle! I love this!
This is very educational content! ❤
Really interesting, thanks. Am I the only one who thinks the oldest poses are also some of the most difficult?
Thanks for sharing on Tantric Yoga🙏🏼🧘🏻♀️🕉
Fascinating ,thank you ,very interesting.
Really good and to the point. Great graphics!
Excellent.
Very interesing! Thank you for posting it!
Fascinating
Hi, how are you?
- South Korea began to get cold after heavy rain last week.
I hope health and good things will be with you this week as well. ^O^
Thank you so much. I always found that i can meditate really good in savasana. Not only after a yoga class but in general. Good to know it was a meditation pose too. What were the other practices related to it? Thank you 🙏🏿🌞
Hello! amazing, as always with Dr. James Mallinson. I´ve got a question...that standing version of trikonasana doesnt seem to appear until the 19 century, as I understand, the first trikonasana was in a Jain manuscript, jogasana, however is a seated posture. Is there new evidence for our current trikonasana in older texts?
cheers!
very well presented!
Good work!!!
My mum used to stand in her head while she was doing yoga in the 70s can't say she is very enlightened
Yes, as mentioned at the end of the video, physical postures serve as a preparation for deeper practice, they're preliminary. Enlightenment would supposedly come from further more advanced and subtle practice
Can anyone tell me what's the name of the text mentioned in minute 4:00?
@Lisa Ingram thanks Lisa 🙏
What's the name of the manuscript at 3:10 that he referenced
Hello, probably it is the he Amrtasiddhi:
Hathayoga’s tantric Buddhist source text. Need to check.
@@malurenzo3055 thank you
It’s a circa 1830 illustrated manuscript of the Jogapradīpakā. None of the witnesses for the Amrtasiddhi has illustrations.
Wow
hi I am Rock Stone
It is wrong to say that tantra is not as old as yoga, merely based on a study of late literary sources. You get into the problem of which ‘literary’ as well as oral sources are valid and relevant sources to take into consideration, and you appear to have a very western view on that. Similar with your categorical statement about which yoga pose was earliest and when. You’re forgetting, amazingly, that Shiva himself was deemed the founder of yoga and his most famous poses are both the one legged balancing stance and the lotus pose. Notably, Shiva’s yoga was practiced at the same time as his sacred sexual union with Parvati thus making the origins of yoga and original tantrism (their yab yum) simultaneous and much further back in time than 500 BC. Basically these practices were ritualistic enactments of the myths surrounding Shiva and Parvati/Shakti, probably practiced long before written literary texts started describing them.
Source? please
@@juliancho1983 For example: David Gordon White, “The Alchemical Body”; Douglas Brooks, “The Secret of the Three Cities: An Introduction to Hindu Sakta Tantrism”; Teun Goudriaan and Jan Schoterman, “Kubjikamata Tantra”, and others. Also the ancient Hindu Vedas.
@@Dutch2go thank you dutch
Earliest evidence of Śiva worship is in the work of the grammarian Patañjali commenting in his Vyākaranamahābhāsya on the Astādhyāyī , probably written around the middle of the 2nd century BC. All of the early sources mentioning Hațha Yoga (the one popular today, in which physical practices predominate) are tantric Buddhist.
@@collyernicholasjohnThe earliest evidence of Shiva worship is thousands of years older than your 2nd century BC cited text!
What happens if you can not stand on you head, do you get to go to Nirvana or not?
steal this also , and put this in your museum
As one of the first to introduce it to the west called it : pizza yoga. Enjoy your illusions.
Never seen a pleated collar before.
is this tibetan yoga?
rubin
It's amusing how every specific thing they said or believed is trivially wrong. And yet people still devote themselves to doing all those poses.
(Not unlike Aristotle; wrong about just about everything he said, at least in physics, and yet regarded as a genius to this day.)
Cause his methodology is what build into what we use today, empirical evidence above everything else (at least that's what I heard about Aristotle, didn't read much of him directly).
give back the artifacts u stole
Why are you so angry?
@@dan__________________ bro google it
bitch how in the hell is he responsible for colonialism lol you need to talk with the director of the museum and probably with the culture minister
I second this comment.
The only thing I am interested is: Can I kill tiger with barehands training Yoga? If not - it is useless for me.
You run into tigers very often?
@@Grubnessul Yes, that's why there are not a lot of tigers left. All this thanks to SamuelX
@@Grubnessul No, but if I could kill them with bare hands I would seek for a challenge!
Secrets are hidden to you
"With great power comes great responsibility". You intend to kill an endangered species with your power, hence, no tiger killing Yoga for you. -_-
The way they showcase these stolen things so proudly gets me so angry
Shameless people
That white girl doing crossfit or yoga bro? lol