Cool video, thanks a lot. PPL -> Other Settings -> gives options on how much the picture should overlap on borderless prints (None, Small, Medium, Large). Have mine set to Small, works well
Hi Keith. Have you ever done a vid of using the ICM setting with colour profiles on the Canon Pro300? Love the way you proved colour printing can be so simple with this video. Thank you.
Thanks icm? Sounds Windows PC? If so, I'm afraid I only test on Macs - I've not used a win pc this century, so a bit rusty on details ;-) All my PRO-300 stuff is at: www.northlight-images.co.uk/canon-pro-300-printer-review/
Yes - However, the main reason I don't mention these here is that they are proprietary image adjustments which require images processed with Canon DPP V4.9.20 or later. Oh, and obviously a supported Canon camera... ij.manual.canon/ij/webmanual/ProfessionalPrintLayout/M/1.0/EN/PPL/ppl-600.html It's very much a feature I'd note in the written review, but not one of my more general videos Very few people I come across, ever use DPP a second time... Now that's not a comment on its functionality, but just how most people approach their editing. Add to that, I'm producing videos like this for all photo image printing - no matter what camera or image editing software they might use. At a deeper level [perhaps a topic for another video?], my feeling is that a print utility like this is completely the wrong place for making adjustments, that and my longstanding dislike of adjustments which are on/off and offer no finesse or finer control/adjustment
@@KeithCooper The print guide says for Contrast Reproduction Available Data Formats JPEG: 8-bit RGB data formats (.jpg, .jpeg, .jpe) TIFF: 8-bit or 16-bit RGB data formats (.tif, .tiff) The Canon Print & Layout still seems to me to have the best soft proofing therefore the fineness of adjustments can still be relevant in this software
@@japamax Thanks for the note - it is indeed the DPRAW/HDR/ELO functions which are DPP specific As to using it... Depends very much on your workflow... I would still not want to make any adjustments in my print app - especially with controls that are simply on/off Soft proofing is sometimes helpful, but once again I'd want to do that [if I wanted it] long before I opened a print application. For myself, all these adjustments are simply in the wrong place, but as ever, use what works for you ;-)
@@KeithCooper Thanks for your comment. I've used every version of DPP since 2002...once each. What I've mostly found is that with each new version, Canon fixes something that didn't need fixing and removes some useful feature. I still try each one. One time.
Good video, I still prefer HP for their Designjet models although currently have an Epson SC T5200, waiting for the Postscript 3 module to arrive. However, the HPs are easier to manage when it comes to 1500-3000 A1/A0 prints per day.
Thanks A very different business to one which might use a PRO-1000 though ;-) I'd only be looking at P8500/P9500/PRO-4600 level printers, not anything more production oriented.
Thank you again Keith!!! This is, these are excellent and looking forward to all your repots re this. Question? Can you please at some point address this printers handling of Fine Art Papers and forcing the issue of the “Art Papers Margin 30” on smaller sheets? Thank you again Keith!! Sincerely appreciate all your work and sharing this with us here!
Ah the margins... I almost always check the 'turn off margin regulation' option in the driver This was actually my biggest dislike of the old PRO-10 [and earlier models] I've been known to use a media setting for profiling just because it didn't have margin problems. I'll be addressing this some time before the review [the main written one]
@@KeithCooper Yes turning it off if I read everything correctly is NOT an option on the Pro-10. And the Pro-1p doesn’t work w the PPL software either. Oh well it’s not their flagship unit😏
@@lschiz-photography1765 Both rather old printers now - Canon didn't have PPL when I reviewed them and their backwards compatibility with old hardware is not always so strong.
Thanks for this video, it was very interesting and I would love to have one of these printers, maybe one day..... I would like to learn how to print images with a consistent border either from Lightroom or Photoshop. By consistent, I mean specifically the same size border on all four sides.
I'm especially looking forward to the comparison video. I feel I'm still lacking a good understanding for the impact of paper handling. I would love to be able to explore the widest possible variety of papers or even other print media like poster board. But I have to also consider the irregular use from me just doing this as a hobby and the space requirements and weight of the different models.
Yes, I will be doing a "17 inch printer" comparison at some point, but not until after I've finished the main review. As to 1000 vs 1100 that will be part of the 'review video' to go along with the main written review. Remember, the 'authoritative' bit is always the written review - they are maintained, corrected, expanded and edited over the years - the videos are set in stone [oh, and shot without a script ;-) ]
Hello Great videos you have... The 1100 and the PRO1000 seems to be a great printers, but I prefer the A3+ format and smaller... I have the PRO 300 for a year, 90% of the time I use "Daily Solution" Luster-professional inject paper,found it on the web shop, a Polish company...it's high quality and not expensive. I only use PPL Software and the results are excellent,thanks to your tutorials...cheers!
I love the simplicity of the Canon PPL software on my Pro-300, especially the b&w feature but for some reason I can only get the PPL plugin to work with Photoshop. It just won't work with Lightroom so I have to send my image from Lightroom to Photoshop and then to PPL for printing. Keep the videos coming Keith 👍
Thanks Keith :) If I replace my newly resurrected R2880, the P900 was firmly in my sights but ... the Pro-1100 is out ! hmmm ... very looking forward to all you have to say in time :)
Do you mean the ink tank and small cartridge ones? If so then colour management is broken on Macs for the ink tank ones [which kills it for me] and the small ones are just not supported with anything but 'home use' type software. I don't think there is an A4 printer it works with ...win or mac
What sort of metallic paper? - it's often a marketing term which covers quite a range of actual papers. I've several, so I'll see what I can profile [the prerequisite for any test]
Thanks a lot Keith for this review! Did you do any alignment (printhead) or adjustment (paper feed) before making this print? Or was everything good enough right out of the box?
Only the adjustments shown in my setup video. I will look at colour calibration and other adjustments once I've more ink and can try more varied papers
Naivety?.....I am an OK amateur photographer. I am busy elsewhere but DPP4 I know reasonably well. Limitations to all that, well, I am aware of some but that’s ok for now. Printing to a "standard that allows me to exploit that well" I would be happy with. I am OK with say a once a week run through, but realistically don't want more in any usual period..............I watch all this with interest. Thanks as usual.....
Hi Keith, enjoy your videos. a bit off topic for this video, I now live in Toronto and often download/buy paper kits for my model railway. Many kits should be printed on A4 paper, sounds stupid but all J have is Letter size. To avoid scale problems what should I do? Many thanks Charlie
Hi Keith. You often ask for ideas to cover. Well here goes. There is a company selling lights for macrophotography called Adaptlux. Both flash and continuous LED. So far I have read one thing about banding and electronic sutter which is : don't use it, you need to include mechanical first curtain. However Adaptalus has said this on the idea on purely electronic shutter with their LED lights: " I think you're over worrying about banding. It can occur but only when the shutter speed specifically matches the refresh rate of the LEDs, which can also be changed with the birghtness settings and Boost mode". Could this realisticaly be true, that electronic shutter can be used with continuous light without any banding effects? They are yet to get back to me with the frequencies available. It's important as I was thinking of Aurogon-type closeups which would eat mechanical shutter actuations per finished shot. And I recently saw you say you had helped design some electronic component in a macro vid of your's, so might be one you'd enjoy covering?
@@KeithCooper On one of your vids (can't remember which) you had a macro set up and a small light that looked like a flash head but was being used as a continuous light source in the video. Do you shoot pure electronic shutter with that light, if you know which one I'm asking about?
It's my normal choice for most images, with my own profiles, but the app has soft proofing if you wanted to see. This was not really a video where I wanted anything other than the defaults - rendering intents were deliberately not mentioned ;-)
thank you for your quick response, and I'm very new to your reviews and I love them compared to others. I love the way you explain things in such detail but easy to understand
Hi Keith, can you say a few words about the inks, if I get it right we are stuck with the (most likely very expensive) original cartridges from Canon. 12 pcs at a time, must cost a fortune. Any possibility to use bottled ink, like with the EPSON 8550 ?
None in the short term [2-3 years] that I see. The success of the 8550 may well mean something a bit better is on the way but I don't think we'll see pigment. Canon won't even provide working [Mac] colour management on the ink tank printers, yet alone anything bigger than A4
Accurate? - no This is a program to print files, it essentially uses the same underlying canon driver which I use if printing from Photoshop. It is just different in options and how it looks. I use it often for 'teaching' purposes - especially if someone has a win PC [which I've not used for years]
Hello - I am thinking of the Pro 1100 - I would buy at my house, use it for 8 weeks, then transport to my cottage where it would remain forever - is this a decent plan??
No... Or just depends how deep your pockets are... You would pretty much need a new maintenance cart and FULL set of inks fairly soon.Moving this printer, unless very carefully is an ink draining job... Well, perhaps not so bad if you did a LOT of prints in those 8 weeks. Far better to buy it, and ship it uninitialised... Or get it delivered where it's needed
@@MergimMazreku The carts are left in place - you need to run the transport preparation process. I'll do a video about this the day it goes back to Canon ;-) It can be moved if two people carry it carefully and make sure it doesn't tilt - OK for room to room, but not putting in the back of a car...
How do you handle power outages? Since the printer needs to be on all the time. Doesn't that trigger the ink to be dumped into the maintenance cartridge? Do you use a battery backup for that so it doesn't happen?
Never really thought about it to be honest [we have reliable electricity supply] A power interruption doesn't have the calamitous consequences you describe - nothing I know of 'dumps ink' as you say, other than setting up the printer for transport, which is a known thing. If we had supply issues I'd set up a UPS for our main file server, for it to do a graceful shutdown, but not a printer.
@@KeithCooper Had to shut down my printer again today to do the final test on whole house generator. When I turned it back on the maintenance cartridge was not any fuller. You were right. I am so glad. Don't plan to turn printer off again but good to have peace of mind. And no I will not be moving my printer. Happy to keep it right where it is making prints
I love the fact that they have made it just high enough for you to rest you elbow on - Canon think of everything
No, that's the special table it's on ;-)
Cool video, thanks a lot.
PPL -> Other Settings -> gives options on how much the picture should overlap on borderless prints (None, Small, Medium, Large). Have mine set to Small, works well
Thanks for spotting that - forgot where it was!
Good video Keith
Thanks
Hi Keith. Have you ever done a vid of using the ICM setting with colour profiles on the Canon Pro300? Love the way you proved colour printing can be so simple with this video. Thank you.
Thanks
icm? Sounds Windows PC?
If so, I'm afraid I only test on Macs - I've not used a win pc this century, so a bit rusty on details ;-)
All my PRO-300 stuff is at: www.northlight-images.co.uk/canon-pro-300-printer-review/
I’m waiting for your video comparing this to the Epson P900
You'l have quite a wait yet for that one I'm afraid.
Not until I've finished the main written review for this printer - late October likely.
Contrast reproduction and depth information are pretty useful for glossy paper. It enhanced the print
Yes - However, the main reason I don't mention these here is that they are proprietary image adjustments which require images processed with Canon DPP V4.9.20 or later. Oh, and obviously a supported Canon camera...
ij.manual.canon/ij/webmanual/ProfessionalPrintLayout/M/1.0/EN/PPL/ppl-600.html
It's very much a feature I'd note in the written review, but not one of my more general videos
Very few people I come across, ever use DPP a second time...
Now that's not a comment on its functionality, but just how most people approach their editing.
Add to that, I'm producing videos like this for all photo image printing - no matter what camera or image editing software they might use.
At a deeper level [perhaps a topic for another video?], my feeling is that a print utility like this is completely the wrong place for making adjustments, that and my longstanding dislike of adjustments which are on/off and offer no finesse or finer control/adjustment
@@KeithCooper The print guide says for Contrast Reproduction
Available Data Formats
JPEG: 8-bit RGB data formats (.jpg, .jpeg, .jpe)
TIFF: 8-bit or 16-bit RGB data formats (.tif, .tiff)
The Canon Print & Layout still seems to me to have the best soft proofing therefore the fineness of adjustments can still be relevant in this software
@@japamax
Thanks for the note - it is indeed the DPRAW/HDR/ELO functions which are DPP specific
As to using it... Depends very much on your workflow...
I would still not want to make any adjustments in my print app - especially with controls that are simply on/off
Soft proofing is sometimes helpful, but once again I'd want to do that [if I wanted it] long before I opened a print application.
For myself, all these adjustments are simply in the wrong place, but as ever, use what works for you ;-)
@@KeithCooper Thanks for your comment. I've used every version of DPP since 2002...once each. What I've mostly found is that with each new version, Canon fixes something that didn't need fixing and removes some useful feature. I still try each one. One time.
Good idea to use Tiff I normally use lossless jpeg so I guess I don't lose much? I see that this is three times the price of my 200 😮
There's probably very few images where using a lossless jpeg would show. I include tiff here just because generally work in 16 bit.
Thanks Keith, looking forward to your full review.
Getting there... ;-)
Good video, I still prefer HP for their Designjet models although currently have an Epson SC T5200, waiting for the Postscript 3 module to arrive. However, the HPs are easier to manage when it comes to 1500-3000 A1/A0 prints per day.
Thanks
A very different business to one which might use a PRO-1000 though ;-)
I'd only be looking at P8500/P9500/PRO-4600 level printers, not anything more production oriented.
Thank you again Keith!!!
This is, these are excellent and looking forward to all your repots re this.
Question?
Can you please at some point address this printers handling of Fine Art Papers and forcing the issue of the “Art Papers Margin 30” on smaller sheets?
Thank you again Keith!!
Sincerely appreciate all your work and sharing this with us here!
Ah the margins...
I almost always check the 'turn off margin regulation' option in the driver
This was actually my biggest dislike of the old PRO-10 [and earlier models]
I've been known to use a media setting for profiling just because it didn't have margin problems.
I'll be addressing this some time before the review [the main written one]
@@KeithCooper Yes turning it off if I read everything correctly is NOT an option on the Pro-10.
And the Pro-1p doesn’t work w the PPL software either.
Oh well it’s not their flagship unit😏
@@lschiz-photography1765 Both rather old printers now - Canon didn't have PPL when I reviewed them and their backwards compatibility with old hardware is not always so strong.
Thanks for this video, it was very interesting and I would love to have one of these printers, maybe one day..... I would like to learn how to print images with a consistent border either from Lightroom or Photoshop. By consistent, I mean specifically the same size border on all four sides.
Use PPL or EPL for Epson's
Then measure the true size of your paper and practice with plain paper.
I'm especially looking forward to the comparison video. I feel I'm still lacking a good understanding for the impact of paper handling. I would love to be able to explore the widest possible variety of papers or even other print media like poster board. But I have to also consider the irregular use from me just doing this as a hobby and the space requirements and weight of the different models.
Yes, I will be doing a "17 inch printer" comparison at some point, but not until after I've finished the main review. As to 1000 vs 1100 that will be part of the 'review video' to go along with the main written review.
Remember, the 'authoritative' bit is always the written review - they are maintained, corrected, expanded and edited over the years - the videos are set in stone [oh, and shot without a script ;-) ]
Hello
Great videos you have...
The 1100 and the PRO1000 seems to be a great printers, but I prefer the A3+ format and smaller...
I have the PRO 300 for a year, 90% of the time I use "Daily Solution" Luster-professional inject paper,found it on the web shop,
a Polish company...it's high quality and not expensive.
I only use PPL Software and the results are excellent,thanks to your tutorials...cheers!
Glad to help - yes, the 300 is pretty good from a print quality POV
I love the simplicity of the Canon PPL software on my Pro-300, especially the b&w feature but for some reason I can only get the PPL plugin to work with Photoshop. It just won't work with Lightroom so I have to send my image from Lightroom to Photoshop and then to PPL for printing. Keep the videos coming Keith 👍
Ah, good old LR, thanks for adding to my list of reasons I don't use it ;-) :-)
LR plug-in works fine for me on this Windows 11 laptop, also my Windows 11 desktop and my previous Windows 10 desktop. File > Plug-in extras.
I’m using Canon PPL plug-in in Lightroom with my Pro-300. Simple. Wonderful results!
@@KeithCooper Thanks for your support of us in the NEVER LIGHTROOM club.
Thanks Keith :) If I replace my newly resurrected R2880, the P900 was firmly in my sights but ... the Pro-1100 is out ! hmmm ... very looking forward to all you have to say in time :)
Thanks - two good printers...
Once again, nice video! Is PPL working only with the "Pro" printers? - Have you ever tried PPL on other (non Pro) Canon printers?
Do you mean the ink tank and small cartridge ones?
If so then colour management is broken on Macs for the ink tank ones [which kills it for me] and the small ones are just not supported with anything but 'home use' type software.
I don't think there is an A4 printer it works with ...win or mac
Thanks!
More on the way...
Getting lovely color out of the Pro Luster and Premium Matte. I am using highest, will have to see if is a difference when I use high instead
I'll definitely be covering this, but not until I've created profiles for the testing
@@KeithCooper looking forward to seeing what you come up with
would love to see your review on metallic paper test.
What sort of metallic paper? - it's often a marketing term which covers quite a range of actual papers.
I've several, so I'll see what I can profile [the prerequisite for any test]
Hahnemuhle metallic @@KeithCooper
@@apkossowski Which one? I believe there are several
@@KeithCooper hi Keith, Hahnemhle Photo Rag Metallic
Thanks a lot Keith for this review! Did you do any alignment (printhead) or adjustment (paper feed) before making this print? Or was everything good enough right out of the box?
Only the adjustments shown in my setup video.
I will look at colour calibration and other adjustments once I've more ink and can try more varied papers
@@KeithCoopersorry, I missed that!
Thanks Keith! Just one question…. Are the blues bluer. 😁
Not that I ever noticed...
Answering that question accurately though requires me to make profiles for both 1000 and 1100 on the same paper...
Naivety?.....I am an OK amateur photographer. I am busy elsewhere but DPP4 I know reasonably well. Limitations to all that, well, I am aware of some but that’s ok for now. Printing to a "standard that allows me to exploit that well" I would be happy with. I am OK with say a once a week run through, but realistically don't want more in any usual period..............I watch all this with interest. Thanks as usual.....
Glad it's of interest - this one is really aimed at showing how simple a basic print can be. I will have a lot more details...
Hi Keith, enjoy your videos. a bit off topic for this video, I now live in Toronto and often download/buy paper kits for my model railway.
Many kits should be printed on A4 paper, sounds stupid but all J have is Letter size. To avoid scale problems what should I do?
Many thanks
Charlie
No simple solution since even if printed at full size you will likely get cropping
Find bigger paper is the simplest answer I'm afraid
Hi Keith do you see much difference between the High and Highest quality settings in the PPL software? Would size being printed be relevant with this?
Not much - but I've not done the detailed testing in this respect yet.
Hi Keith. You often ask for ideas to cover. Well here goes. There is a company selling lights for macrophotography called Adaptlux. Both flash and continuous LED. So far I have read one thing about banding and electronic sutter which is : don't use it, you need to include mechanical first curtain. However Adaptalus has said this on the idea on purely electronic shutter with their LED lights: " I think you're over worrying about banding. It can occur but only when the shutter speed specifically matches the refresh rate of the LEDs, which can also be changed with the birghtness settings and Boost mode". Could this realisticaly be true, that electronic shutter can be used with continuous light without any banding effects? They are yet to get back to me with the frequencies available. It's important as I was thinking of Aurogon-type closeups which would eat mechanical shutter actuations per finished shot. And I recently saw you say you had helped design some electronic component in a macro vid of your's, so might be one you'd enjoy covering?
Ah - don't know those lights at all.
Stuff like that though, I only really get to test if someone sends it to me!
@@KeithCooper On one of your vids (can't remember which) you had a macro set up and a small light that looked like a flash head but was being used as a continuous light source in the video. Do you shoot pure electronic shutter with that light, if you know which one I'm asking about?
@@killpop8255 nope - don't use only ES for anything
is relative colorimetric better to use than perceptual (I noticed your choice was colorimetric)?
It's my normal choice for most images, with my own profiles, but the app has soft proofing if you wanted to see.
This was not really a video where I wanted anything other than the defaults - rendering intents were deliberately not mentioned ;-)
thank you for your quick response, and I'm very new to your reviews and I love them compared to others. I love the way you explain things in such detail but easy to understand
Thanks - appreciated
Hi Keith, can you say a few words about the inks, if I get it right we are stuck with the (most likely very expensive) original cartridges from Canon. 12 pcs at a time, must cost a fortune.
Any possibility to use bottled ink, like with the EPSON 8550 ?
None in the short term [2-3 years] that I see.
The success of the 8550 may well mean something a bit better is on the way but I don't think we'll see pigment. Canon won't even provide working [Mac] colour management on the ink tank printers, yet alone anything bigger than A4
do you feel like the canon software is more accurate than the photoshop drivers? identical? I've never used the canon UI, and maybe I should.
Accurate? - no
This is a program to print files, it essentially uses the same underlying canon driver which I use if printing from Photoshop.
It is just different in options and how it looks.
I use it often for 'teaching' purposes - especially if someone has a win PC [which I've not used for years]
So Keith if you needed a printer for print sales to high end collectors would you pick Canonon 1100 or Epson 5300/5370?
Neither ;-) Not wide enough...
I've not had a chance to test the Pro-4600 or the new Epson P20500
@@KeithCooper Only thing wrong with Epson 20500/20570 is $11,000.00 price plus $6000.00 for initial set of inks. :)
Well that and it won't fit in my house... ;-)
Hello -
I am thinking of the Pro 1100 - I would buy at my house, use it for 8 weeks, then transport to my cottage where it would remain forever - is this a decent plan??
No... Or just depends how deep your pockets are...
You would pretty much need a new maintenance cart and FULL set of inks fairly soon.Moving this printer, unless very carefully is an ink draining job...
Well, perhaps not so bad if you did a LOT of prints in those 8 weeks.
Far better to buy it, and ship it uninitialised... Or get it delivered where it's needed
@@KeithCooper I was thinking of doing a print binge during a period of surgical recovery.
@@KeithCooper Can you remove the cartridges from it when moving is inevitable or any recommendation about moving it!
Sure, as long as you appreciate the ink costs. There's nothing inherently wrong with your plan!
@@MergimMazreku The carts are left in place - you need to run the transport preparation process.
I'll do a video about this the day it goes back to Canon ;-)
It can be moved if two people carry it carefully and make sure it doesn't tilt - OK for room to room, but not putting in the back of a car...
How do you handle power outages? Since the printer needs to be on all the time. Doesn't that trigger the ink to be dumped into the maintenance cartridge? Do you use a battery backup for that so it doesn't happen?
Never really thought about it to be honest [we have reliable electricity supply]
A power interruption doesn't have the calamitous consequences you describe - nothing I know of 'dumps ink' as you say, other than setting up the printer for transport, which is a known thing.
If we had supply issues I'd set up a UPS for our main file server, for it to do a graceful shutdown, but not a printer.
@@KeithCooper thank you
@@KeithCooper Had to shut down my printer again today to do the final test on whole house generator. When I turned it back on the maintenance cartridge was not any fuller. You were right. I am so glad. Don't plan to turn printer off again but good to have peace of mind. And no I will not be moving my printer. Happy to keep it right where it is making prints