Thanks, I am looking to upgrade to A2 from my A3+ Canon Pixma Pro-10s but wanted to see if the new 1100 would be so amazing that it nailed the deal for me.... I had looked obviously at the 1000 but thought it was expensive when it came to the inks and I was put off a bit by the waste of ink if you don't print every day (cleaning cycles doh!). I see that for the most part, this "new" printer 1100 is almost identical to the old 2015 model 1000... certainly mechanically it seems to be, and the head too, so all that has been innovated is the ink formulation and I assume the software. I was hoping for more, especially after 10 years ... at least a paper roll holder ! Maybe the prints are now stunningly better ? Well, no... you have shown only a minor difference in side by side tests (great pictures btw). Thankfully Canon has realised that they can't therefore charge any more for this "new" printer than they did the old one...actually it seems a little cheaper which may be due to the exchange rate of the GBP/USD/YEN. There is a new replacement cart subscription service for this "new" ink where I expect they will make their money. If you need to print say 5 x A2 prints per day then you might need new ink carts every 3 months at over £600 for a set (but not all carts will run out at the same time). With decent archival paper it is likely to cost you say £4 per print. Not expensive if you can sell a single print for say £50 unframed, but we generally make several test prints before the final one. However, you can also get A2 prints made at a photo lab print shop as needed for about £10. I estimate that after about 500 prints you will break even over using a print shop, assuming you don't sell any and there is no ink waste. If you intend to print every day and want the control and flexibility, then this printer is for you. I am still not sure it is for me though, yet.
Yes, I noticed at setup that the printer will apparently communicate with Canon and tell them, "Hey this guy needs cyan and magenta ink at full suggested retail price. Send 'em out and charge his credit card!"
I just set mine up. Replacing a ten year old Epson 3880. The Epson included a utility function called Print Nozzle check. It supposedly used a tiny amount of each ink through each print head nozzle. If you saw any gaps in the pattern, you could opt for head cleaning. I had a calendar reminder for each Sunday to run the nozzle check. It seemed to serve well at keeping things flowing during times the printer wasn't used. Anything like that with Canon? I haven't so far found it.
I had two P900s, but they were unreliable (jamming) and scratched prints, so I got a Pro-1000. It uses MUCH more ink due to auto maintenance cycles, which can't be overridden. This is a big issue compared to the P900.
I don't know, of course many professionals will use this printer, but it will also be used by prosumers a lot and I don't think they'll generally find that to be a deal breaker because they aren't doing the same volume of printing. The ink costs are a bigger factor for most. And the image quality (even though it really doesn't matter once you get above a certain level) will also attract more people to the canon just for the idea of getting better prints. I also think most pros will go for something like the 2600, at least, (which has roll capacity) even if they have this as a complimentary tool.
Roll units are meant to print on rolls, not strictly to print super long panos. With roll attached you can print small images as well. Printing on rolls have the advantage not to load paper sheets every time. Having said that, even though as P900 user I can use rolls, I’ve never done that. But others do.
Hi Tim, hi Keith, (1) as of my experience as a Pro-1000 owner, B&W printing using the custom profile of the paper (with a TIFF in B&W) is superior to using the B&W mode of the Pro-1000. (2) ad colors: if we are talking about different shades of blue then I buy your answer, better printers will produce better colours and better colour gradients. However, concerning the squirrel's background (orange vs. orange with slight green tint) - that's a profile issue, isn't it?
Thanks for this video Tim, I was looking forward to hearing your thoughts on this printer. It might not be a leap forward from the Pro-1000 (but who was expecting it to be), but for me the 1100 will be a great upgrade from the Pro-300 as it will allow me to make even larger prints, and in a more cost effective way (bigger more cost effective tanks).
Chrissake, been waiting for the successor to the PRO1000 just for the addition of a roll unit, and that's of course the exact thing that they chose not to add. No one wants to feet a 3 meter long paper into the printer 🤦♀
About to treat myself come Christmas and purchase an A2 printer around the $1k mark. Await your review on the Canon 1100 vs the Epson P900 before i make my choice. Think Canon dropped the ball here with no additional add-on roll paper feeder on what otherwise seems like a minor upgrade. The Epson has this and might just sway my choice as a landscape photographer. Looking forward to your review before i make the call ;)
Hi Tim, perhaps a silly question, I print 98% of my pictures in Black and White. Is it safe to assume that most of the ink cartridges will go to waste? Is there a more 'dedicated' printer to Black and White pictures in terms of ink management? Thank you and very interesting review.
I’d really like to see a side by side 200 year time lapse of the same photo from the pro 1000 and pro 1100 printer to see how they hold up in real life
The Pro-1000 is too good to just drop and move on to the Pro-1100. The Pro-1100 is for the person new to this higher end printing market. Differences are nowhere near big enough to tempt me to switch. If I'm all out of ink and my Pro-1000 breaks, then maybe....I am glad they did not hike up the price of the Pro-1100 ink cartridges.
I expect this could have all been done with a firmware update . Disappointing that Canon would pretend this is a new machine. if it's the same printer head then those inks should work on the 1000 if the cartridges will fit. Time could you try this ?
Thanks. What about printing out reference images and seeing if the 1100 produces a better representation of the image present on a calibrated monitor than the 1000. ?
No - The profile aims to get the best out of the paper/ink/printer combination If there is a difference between printers, the results will be different.
@@Cliff117 Thanks - that is dependent on one turning up! We also have a long waited for holiday, so the full review may not be until October, but I will do an initial one as soon as it's here...
I handle all my prints with gloves "don't worry about scratches or fingerprints", and all my prints look fantastic with the Pro-1000. There is no reason for the new inks not to work with the Pro-1000, unless the Pro-1100 has a totally new print head.
The inks will need firmware in the printer to match and I guess Canon could have achieved the same result by offering an firmware upgrade for the 1000 with the new ink set... but that would not sell any more printers. Canon does similar things with their DSLR cameras, some features in the R5 MK II could have been provided with a firmware update to the R5... but that doesn't sell more cameras.
The consistency and mechanical properties of the ink are different - look at Canon's assorted info about the PRO-2/4/6600 They use the same print heads as the models they replaced [and the same as the 1000/1100] So whilst the same heads handle can both inks, the firmware that drives them is changed. So, the inks won't work by design ;-)
@@sundeepsembi6091 Canon says no. Was hoping I'd be able to use the new inks in my 4100 but no. Not sure of the science or technology or $$$ reasons, but that's how it is.
As mentioned, Canon says you cannot. I'm guessing it's not a hardware issue but a software one - the new inks probably need to be controlled a bit differently than the previous ink set. It's plausible that a Pro-1000 with updated software could print with the new inks, but then you run into the question of which cartridges have the new inks and which don't. It would likely only work if you could somehow flush the Lucia inks from the printer before installing Lucia II cartridges. All in all, likely too much trouble.
Hello, A comparison like this should only be made using highly accurate, custom profiles. From the differences depicted in this video, I wouldn't trust either printer. Why? Because a high end printer with original inks, a decent paper, and a decent custom profile should never veer off as much as the differences shown here. Cheers!
waste of money to upgrade, they changed the ink so third-party ink makers have nothing for it, THAT IS FOR NOW, sounds like a waste to upgrade unless you print panoramics
The waste of ink with the cleaning cycles on the pro 1000 is enormous. If you don't print every 5 days do a nozzle test every 5 days to prevent it. But even then Canon activates after a few weeks it's clearing cycle. I will never buy a Canon printer again.
Thanks, I am looking to upgrade to A2 from my A3+ Canon Pixma Pro-10s but wanted to see if the new 1100 would be so amazing that it nailed the deal for me.... I had looked obviously at the 1000 but thought it was expensive when it came to the inks and I was put off a bit by the waste of ink if you don't print every day (cleaning cycles doh!). I see that for the most part, this "new" printer 1100 is almost identical to the old 2015 model 1000... certainly mechanically it seems to be, and the head too, so all that has been innovated is the ink formulation and I assume the software. I was hoping for more, especially after 10 years ... at least a paper roll holder ! Maybe the prints are now stunningly better ? Well, no... you have shown only a minor difference in side by side tests (great pictures btw). Thankfully Canon has realised that they can't therefore charge any more for this "new" printer than they did the old one...actually it seems a little cheaper which may be due to the exchange rate of the GBP/USD/YEN. There is a new replacement cart subscription service for this "new" ink where I expect they will make their money. If you need to print say 5 x A2 prints per day then you might need new ink carts every 3 months at over £600 for a set (but not all carts will run out at the same time). With decent archival paper it is likely to cost you say £4 per print. Not expensive if you can sell a single print for say £50 unframed, but we generally make several test prints before the final one. However, you can also get A2 prints made at a photo lab print shop as needed for about £10. I estimate that after about 500 prints you will break even over using a print shop, assuming you don't sell any and there is no ink waste. If you intend to print every day and want the control and flexibility, then this printer is for you. I am still not sure it is for me though, yet.
Yes, I noticed at setup that the printer will apparently communicate with Canon and tell them, "Hey this guy needs cyan and magenta ink at full suggested retail price. Send 'em out and charge his credit card!"
Is the 1100 cleaning cycle(s) still the same as the 1000?
I have the same question. Maybe with the new inks less aggressive cleaning cycles are required? The PF-10 print head is the same
@@nafnaf0 It awaits further testing...
BUT I'd not expect any significant change, given the changes in inks
I just set mine up. Replacing a ten year old Epson 3880. The Epson included a utility function called Print Nozzle check. It supposedly used a tiny amount of each ink through each print head nozzle. If you saw any gaps in the pattern, you could opt for head cleaning. I had a calendar reminder for each Sunday to run the nozzle check. It seemed to serve well at keeping things flowing during times the printer wasn't used. Anything like that with Canon? I haven't so far found it.
@@cesarebeccaria7641 There is a print nozzle check in the maintenance menu IIRC
I had two P900s, but they were unreliable (jamming) and scratched prints, so I got a Pro-1000. It uses MUCH more ink due to auto maintenance cycles, which can't be overridden. This is a big issue compared to the P900.
No Roll Unit is a mistake, Epson will be pleased!
I don't know, of course many professionals will use this printer, but it will also be used by prosumers a lot and I don't think they'll generally find that to be a deal breaker because they aren't doing the same volume of printing. The ink costs are a bigger factor for most. And the image quality (even though it really doesn't matter once you get above a certain level) will also attract more people to the canon just for the idea of getting better prints. I also think most pros will go for something like the 2600, at least, (which has roll capacity) even if they have this as a complimentary tool.
You can print 17" by over 10' what more do you need? That is more than anyone needs
Roll units are meant to print on rolls, not strictly to print super long panos. With roll attached you can print small images as well. Printing on rolls have the advantage not to load paper sheets every time. Having said that, even though as P900 user I can use rolls, I’ve never done that. But others do.
Hi Tim, hi Keith,
(1) as of my experience as a Pro-1000 owner, B&W printing using the custom profile of the paper (with a TIFF in B&W) is superior to using the B&W mode of the Pro-1000.
(2) ad colors: if we are talking about different shades of blue then I buy your answer, better printers will produce better colours and better colour gradients. However, concerning the squirrel's background (orange vs. orange with slight green tint) - that's a profile issue, isn't it?
Have we reached peak printing? The Pro1100 needed to have built in roll support with a cutter to be a step forward.
Thanks for this video Tim, I was looking forward to hearing your thoughts on this printer. It might not be a leap forward from the Pro-1000 (but who was expecting it to be), but for me the 1100 will be a great upgrade from the Pro-300 as it will allow me to make even larger prints, and in a more cost effective way (bigger more cost effective tanks).
Chrissake, been waiting for the successor to the PRO1000 just for the addition of a roll unit, and that's of course the exact thing that they chose not to add. No one wants to feet a 3 meter long paper into the printer 🤦♀
About to treat myself come Christmas and purchase an A2 printer around the $1k mark. Await your review on the Canon 1100 vs the Epson P900 before i make my choice. Think Canon dropped the ball here with no additional add-on roll paper feeder on what otherwise seems like a minor upgrade. The Epson has this and might just sway my choice as a landscape photographer. Looking forward to your review before i make the call ;)
Hi Tim, perhaps a silly question, I print 98% of my pictures in Black and White. Is it safe to assume that most of the ink cartridges will go to waste? Is there a more 'dedicated' printer to Black and White pictures in terms of ink management? Thank you and very interesting review.
I’d really like to see a side by side 200 year time lapse of the same photo from the pro 1000 and pro 1100 printer to see how they hold up in real life
The Pro-1000 is too good to just drop and move on to the Pro-1100. The Pro-1100 is for the person new to this higher end printing market. Differences are nowhere near big enough to tempt me to switch. If I'm all out of ink and my Pro-1000 breaks, then maybe....I am glad they did not hike up the price of the Pro-1100 ink cartridges.
I expect this could have all been done with a firmware update . Disappointing that Canon would pretend this is a new machine. if it's the same printer head then those inks should work on the 1000 if the cartridges will fit. Time could you try this ?
Sure in some how the firmware can be crack…don’t know if is possible to bypass by switching the cheep on the cartridges
great content as usual, but not going to upgrade I have the pro-1000
Thanks. What about printing out reference images and seeing if the 1100 produces a better representation of the image present on a calibrated monitor than the 1000. ?
Would be interesting to see how much the refill inks is going to cost compared to the 1000
They are the same price as the Pro-1000 ink set.
about £50 each 80ml, 12 ink colors for a set!
Thanks Tim - helpful
can you print borderless 16x20 ?
quick question, if one is using profiles, the images should look the same, right?
No - The profile aims to get the best out of the paper/ink/printer combination
If there is a difference between printers, the results will be different.
@@KeithCooper can’t wait for your more in depth review later this month!
@@Cliff117 Thanks - that is dependent on one turning up! We also have a long waited for holiday, so the full review may not be until October, but I will do an initial one as soon as it's here...
I handle all my prints with gloves "don't worry about scratches or fingerprints", and all my prints look fantastic with the Pro-1000. There is no reason for the new inks not to work with the Pro-1000, unless the Pro-1100 has a totally new print head.
I have heard the new inks don't work in the 1000. look up Keith Cooper's review
The inks will need firmware in the printer to match and I guess Canon could have achieved the same result by offering an firmware upgrade for the 1000 with the new ink set... but that would not sell any more printers. Canon does similar things with their DSLR cameras, some features in the R5 MK II could have been provided with a firmware update to the R5... but that doesn't sell more cameras.
The consistency and mechanical properties of the ink are different - look at Canon's assorted info about the PRO-2/4/6600
They use the same print heads as the models they replaced [and the same as the 1000/1100]
So whilst the same heads handle can both inks, the firmware that drives them is changed.
So, the inks won't work by design ;-)
Could you use the new inks in the pro-1000? They appear to be same size etc. and if its the same head, will you get the potentially improved results?
i've wondered this also
@@sundeepsembi6091 Canon says no. Was hoping I'd be able to use the new inks in my 4100 but no. Not sure of the science or technology or $$$ reasons, but that's how it is.
@@danselzer ... but could you use the old ink in the new 1100 pro ?
@@TW-iu9zy gonna guess no.
As mentioned, Canon says you cannot. I'm guessing it's not a hardware issue but a software one - the new inks probably need to be controlled a bit differently than the previous ink set. It's plausible that a Pro-1000 with updated software could print with the new inks, but then you run into the question of which cartridges have the new inks and which don't. It would likely only work if you could somehow flush the Lucia inks from the printer before installing Lucia II cartridges. All in all, likely too much trouble.
There is definitely a difference in the black rendering from the PRO300 to the PRO1000. The PRO300 is denser in rendering.
Hello,
A comparison like this should only be made using highly accurate, custom profiles. From the differences depicted in this video, I wouldn't trust either printer. Why? Because a high end printer with original inks, a decent paper, and a decent custom profile should never veer off as much as the differences shown here.
Cheers!
$800 dollars for a set of ink cartridges makes this printer out of reach for most amateurs who don’t sell prints.
Thank you for these. I still have my fingers crossed Canon or Epson would try a B/W only printer one of these days.
Moved from 1100 to the 1000 and back to quickly. not giving me enough time to check the difference in colour. Other than that, thanks.
waste of money to upgrade, they changed the ink so third-party ink makers have nothing for it, THAT IS FOR NOW, sounds like a waste to upgrade unless you print panoramics
The waste of ink with the cleaning cycles on the pro 1000 is enormous. If you don't print every 5 days do a nozzle test every 5 days to prevent it. But even then Canon activates after a few weeks it's clearing cycle. I will never buy a Canon printer again.