I'm vegan, so as far removed from pro-carnivore as one can be, and even I recognise this as bs. Scientific literacy should be a mandatory school subject.
@@omikrondraconis5708 A great shame you don't recognise the rest of the ideology as BS. I learned from a evidence based health researcher you need to look up bioavailabity of each essential nutrient in supposedly 'good' plant based sources of that nutrient and calculate how much of that plant you'd need to consume to meet minimum requirement. I only had to do this for iron to realise the whole ideology falls apart - average bioavailabity for iron in legumes a supposed good source - 1.9%. Lentils contain 6mg of non heme iron per 100g. A non menopausal woman has a minimum requirement 18mg of iron a day. To achieve that 18mg of iron from lentils or other plant based sources she would need to consume 1.6 KILOS!! And it's not even the format we need - heme iron and the conversion from non-heme to heme is poor. And the more non heme you consume, the more your body limits how much you absorb...and you don't even need to do this for every nutrient because if you can't get enough iron it's game over!
I’ve been a strict carnivore for over 3 years. It was the best decision I’ve ever made regarding my health. The only thing I’m “oozing” is self-confidence. I’ll never go back to eating any other way.
I 'm 68,....been on the carnivore diet for almost 2 years. I had bad arthritis in my knees, lower back, and hips, was walking down my 4 steps in front of my house ,one at a time with a cane and pressing down on the railing with my other hand to try and reduce the pressure from each step! The cane is in my porch, I haven't used it in almost 2 years! I can do deep knee bends,lunges, skipping, running on the spot. No need for my knee replacement surgery!! I have more energy, and no need for Tylenol anymore, not out of breath, don't hear my heartbeat hammering in my head from going upstairs anymore!!! No pain at all!!❤ I eat any kind of meat, and fish,eggs and plain full fat yogurt,avocadoes, and mushrooms.I also season my meat the same way I always did.Still have coffee and tea ,no sugar, no pastries,no rice,no salads,no potatoes. It is amazing! Anyone out there in pain please try it, you will feel the difference within the first week!! When there is a birthday, I will eat a piece of cake though, but I go back to eating carnivore the day after and I am fine.
Here in Brazil, this case has been popping up on the internet and several people have come to question me, as I have been following the carnivore diet for 4 years. And I'm still amazed at how the truth never goes viral, but these absurd cases and/or lies spread like wildfire. 🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯
Same here. I'm also Brazilian and it's funny how there is no good information on carnivore diet from Brazilian sources. I'm planning on starting it very soon.
@@altname4742 até temos bons proficionais que entendam bem de carnívora, mas estão escondidos. Vou deixar dicas de profissionais que gosto para assistir aqui no UA-cam: Dr. Alexandre Duarte, Lua Ferrari e Dani Frederico.
My mom and a friend of mine sent me this (they don't believe everything they see straight up, but still). I told them that the articles I was reading about it read like Bullshit. Then I saw the actual paper after I emailed an old professor to get me access. I genuinely got mad because I thought I still couldn't access the full paper. Turns out it was that one page. I told my mom and friend that I've never seen such a laughable excuse for a propaganda piece against keto in my life.
I can certainly do 3 lbs of a combination of meat and cheese in one sitting, if I eat it quick enough. I doubt I could do that 2x a day though to get to 6 lbs
It is insane, but also logical. Cheese contains a lot of carbs, and I had noticed that it makes me hungry. So while 2 - 3 lbs of meat may be enough per day to keep you sated, if you add pounds of cheese to it, suddenly you may be able to scarf down said 6 - 9 pounds of food.
Yes absolutely don’t need to eat two pounds some days maybe three pounds every so often. I have ton of energy and no muscle lose but rather the opposite. 😊
@@aldariontelcontar I’m super skeptical someone is going to eat pounds of cheese at one time, let alone every day over a long period of time, on top of pounds of meat. Even if it’s not as satiating as meat, that’s a whole lot of protein and fat. The cheeses I have are certainly not so laden with carbs that they would make that possible.
Thank you for being a smart person debunking this stuff in an approachable way. The wife would never let me do this diet without ya, and it's helping me.
@@nicknorwitzPhD The diet helps me mentally, with focus, and with weight loss/management. And, it doesn't negatively impact my bloodwork, aside from elevated LDL if I'm using it to lose weight. Your videos help me because my wife (bless her heart - she just wants me to be healthy) sees these headlines which puts negative pressure (I'm sure many face this) on me just trying to stick to a therapy (this diet) that is improving my life. She's a Ph.D. in another field, but is guilty of skimming the surface on some of this stuff (hell I am too). So, to see someone with such specialty, who has done published research that is up-to-date on the topic, break some of the headlines down...helps put her at ease with me giving carnivore the old college try. Cheers man! Appreciate your content.
@@nickdoessstuff I wouldn’t worry about elevated LDL. It has been shown to be protective rather than the damaging narrative spun about it in the last decades.
yup and I can barely eat more than 1-2 oz of cheese as it is super filling! I have a small handful of macadamia nuts and cheese and hours later some organic grass fed beef and eggs and plenty of nourishment.
I lowered my A1C from 9.8 to 5.8 in 7 months - not even using strict carnivore, but a ketovore diet. And I am an Advanced Heart Disease Patient. I have Heart Failure. My ischemia/angina has reduced significantly during sleep. I could not sleep at night for years because I was afraid to have a heart attack during sleep. Now, I sleep like a baby. There is NOTHING that can dispute my results from eating this way.
I feel this way, too. I'm glad to see the "fad" form of carnivore implode, like every other fad diet does. Some of us actually need it to survive and thrive, done correctly.
Who remembers when that raw vegan girl died of malnutrition, and all the same Plant Based influencers (who latched onto and paraded this cholesterol man’s story to their followers) quickly protested that her diet was an extreme diet that is not how a plant based diet should be done? Pepperridge farm remembers.
Don't say vegan, it's a disgusting word used to tell everything and its opposite, don't play their game even if you think that you are smart because of their dead puppets. Gluten is not vegan, sugar is not vegan, most of the time eating fruits is not vegan. Eating salad or plants is not vegan but still the best on the long run, the animals can not lie about that. Vegan is not possible because the plants are constructed by living micro organisms, this is why they need to be prepared aka lured, deceived to be eaten, lured with the promise of water and killed with fire after, most of the time. If a plant wants to defend itself, this means that the colony, the seed has a collective memory, intelligence. A plant is a structure, a skyscraper, simply. But you can not really build a great flora in your intestines without those plants' bricks. Life is also a marriage, a symbiotic relation, a fusion. This is why we have wisdom teeth, normally.
@@ParaclefI’m vegan. I eat a carnivore diet, so therefore I’m reducing the amount of animal deaths. In the UK the cows and sheep eat grass, so no food needing to be grown for them in a separate field. The vegan arguments like that don’t hold any water in places like this.
@@chaosenergy1990 You can just not say, that you are vegan, because it's simply not possible. Hurting our fauna and flora with gluten or tofu, and chemicals like the ones from fake meat products, even fermented products can sadly, badly modified our microbiome ( i am extremely allergic to penicillium, yeats etc.. ), that's not vegan.
I’m a carnivore and I eat 2-3 pounds of beef or eggs a day, usually closer to 2 pounds. I’m a 200 pound man with a high level of activity, running and lifting weights 4 days a week and working as a tradesman. I can’t imagine anyone eating more than 3 pounds a day.
@@RazexFXpretty sure he's saying that its hard to imagine a skinny guy eating that much a day. 3lbs and 6 eggs is my max and im 6'4" 200lbs. On top of that you'd be chewing half the day to get that much down.
I appreciate you appreciating this video. To be clear, the purpose is not to discount this could happen on a carnivore diet so a tiny minority of people. We are each individual. I'd be surprised if some people didn't have this response. This video is about the quality of the report and lowering of intellectual standards for the sake of fear mongering and propaganda in the 'literature'
I am celebrating one year on carnivore and I will never go back. I have had the odd day over the last year where I had non-carnivore meals and I usually regret it. I am thrilled with my health improvements, increased strength, better body fat to muscle ratio, and it is the first time in my life that I don't struggle with a maladaptive appetite signals. This has been so liberating! Thank you, Nick, for being such a valuable part of my journey.
The way the article is written, he ate 6-9 pounds of cheese, butter, and other fats per day, "incorporated into his daily hamburgers" - that would be in addition to the hamburgers. But given how sloppy this all is, who knows what they were trying to say
Yes, crap like this is why I didn't trust the medical community. I can't eat 2 pounds of cheese and meat in a day without gaining weight. I don't really want to eat over a single pound. I ate a half pound of meat yesterday, added on a protein shake and was sated. The only way I could eat two pounds is if I was working out constantly. I work out five days a week already and almost never eat a pound of food. This article is completely dishonest. It almost reads like an article written by ai then rewritten by a physician paid by a statin manufacturer seeing the writing on the wall.
i been lifting since only last year 2024. right now bulking on a mostly low carb semi-carnivore / meat heavy omnivore diet. a pound of meat a day is just about enough for maintenance(im 5.6ft tall), but i cant gain weight with just 1 pound. 1kg is better. slightly more, EVEN BETTER. the weight gain isnt bad. im actually underweight and lacking in muscle so i do need to bulk. im about to hit 3x bodyweight deadlift very soon within the next few months. its incredible how strong you can get with appropriate training and just 1kg of meat a day
I'm so glad you did a video presentation and analysis on this. I saw it in a Cardiovascular Business email I received a couple of days ago and wondered, "What the heck?". I kept waiting for it to hit the news. I didn't even open the link to read the article because the title and picture made no sense to me.
3 pounds of beef in a single meal is doable but ime it puts you into a food coma and eating is not even possible for like 24h so doing that 2 or 3 times a day to reach 6 to 9 pounds every day is madness. The only way that may be even remotely possible is if the subject is a literal giant and I doubt the losing weight part even if he was.
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Actually I would believe he does lose weight. CICO is BS.
CICO is BS to some extent, under some definitions. In the common aception that considers only a static basal metabolic rate and movement as the calories out and any calorie you put in your mouth as calories in, it surely is BS for at least this reasons: - The basal metabolism is far from static, it changes with many things including the calories in or the kind of substrates and micronutrients in. - There are other ways to get calories out like ketones in pee and breath or skin cells falling off or secretions going out of your body. - Not all calories that you put in your mouth are absorbed. That said, if you really account for all inputs, outputs and storage, they must absolutely match. In this house we obey the laws of thermodynamics!! But then that does not tell us what those stored calories will be used for, when it isn't heat/movement and they didn't end up being excreted and they were indeed absorbed the only thing that can possibly happen to them is being stored so weight gain will happen. It may happen as muscle, connective tissue, fat tissue or any other kind of tissue. So given that meat is one of the best absorbed foods and that such amounts is roughly 10000 Kcal, so lets say we need to get rid of 8000. What can account for that: - If you were to poop most of that instead of absorbing it, it would be an absolutelly terrible experience (actually a familiar experience to me at a smaller scale, seriously not fun to live in the toilet). - If you were to excrete it as ketones, it would be about 1.1Kg of acetone per day to get rid of, being near sparks or flames would be very dangerous but you could absolutelly use your thingie as a flame thrower. - If you were to turn it all into heat, it is roughly 500W of continuous heat output. Not absolutely impossible as that is about what a decently trained human can sustain for an hour or two in a bike (we produce way more heat than mechanical power) and I guess that what an elite athlete could sustain for 24h but it would be punishing, a lot of sweating would need to happen to avoid self cooking. - If you turned it all into muscle, it would still show in the scale and you would be gaining like 5 pounds+ of muscle a day so in 200 days you would be up 1000 pounds of muscle and could easily fight a gorilla. Of course a single mechanism doesn't need to cope with all of it, it can be spread out and that is what accounts for differences of the magnitude that is actually consistent with reality but if you try to push such mechanism into the extremes we are talking here you still end up as the hulk with flammable pee suffering for hours in the toilet while sweating to dissipate the intense heat. Ime when doing keto I can eat somewhere about 300 to 500 extra calories more without gaining weight and when I do gain weight, more of it is muscle. And I have gained weight on keto, I have gone from terrible GI issues not allowing me to eat or not allowing me to keep food inside for most of 2022 to while mostly eating broccoli and meat gaining back 20kg once my GI issues improved. I have also lost weight while on keto previously.
shawn baker can easily eat 3 pounds, but hes a 6.5ft giant who lifts weights. by comparison im a 5.6ft walking twig who only started exercising last year. 3 pounds in one meal is too difficult for me
My MIL sent this to my wife the other day because she is so concerned that we are killing ourselves on carnivore diet, even though only good has come from it. As soon as I saw 6-9 lbs daily my thought was "Did you read this with your eyes open?" That is physically IMPOSSIBLE!
That's interesting... but I doubt JAMA CARDIO would publish your N of 1... even if you had impeccable diet records and photographs, lab reports, and a carefully curated medical history with full genome sequence.
@@nicknorwitzPhDHey Nick do you think this could be an issue with hyper absorption of phyto sterols in some people, and phyto sterols being problematic in our physiology if absorbed? Dr Paul Mason talks about this hypothesis. There is a genetic SNP that is rare and these people get these xanthomas and have very early CVD.
At what point, does anecdotal evidence become hard solid evidence? One million, 10 million instances? They seem to think if you slap that label on it that it didnt happen!
The problem here, as you've noted, is going ot be the clear break in trust with science by the laypeople like myself. If i can't trust JAMA for this, how can i trust them for anything else? Especially on more important topics, like COVID.
@@Gengh13 He eats 6-7k calories, at less than 200 pounds bodyweight, if i remember correctly. Muscles burn a lot of calories, even when resting, tho.
My kid came to me with this headline, telling me she does not want to eat meat anymore. And it was hard to get protein into her before this crap. In science we trust… not. At least not in this kind. In channels like yours we get educated in what makes sound data. And I did my PhD in medical science. I was never taught to do studies properly. I left in the end because my gut told me to even though I could not tell what bugged me. 15 years later I learn it on UA-cam…
I can definitely feel the difference in my skin when I am eating very high fat! I can literally scrape some of it under my fingernails when I run them across my face for example. Oil cleansing seems to be the best way to lighten the load (apply a little bit of your favorite fat/oil blend to the skin and rub it in gently, then use a hot wet washcloth to lift up any excess). That way you can lift off any grime m/makeup you've picked up during the day 😂. But that said, I don't see this as a problem. I was sitting in a small group Women in my age group that I had not met before. As we talked about different issues regarding Social Security and Medicare, they just told me "you just wait and you will see when you are a senior" about something or other. So I asked them if 65 was old enough because that's how old I am - and they couldn't believe I was 65 years old because of my skin. I explained that the extra around the middle was courtesy of pasta and soda, but the skin was good because of heredity (mom's fine pores!) and Because I have never skimped on fatty meat. I should probably also have added that I have ignored nearly every facial product as well because of their artificial ingredients and because I don't get breakouts anymore. (Those started When the food pyramid shifted, and it all goes away when I restrict the starchy carbs combined with fat). My entire life, I have been so attracted to delicious and fatty meat ❤❤❤. Lamb and beef and pork with the visible fat, the chicken thighs with the skin on, and duck… I want all the duck! I would have saved myself decades of health issues and wardrobe issues if that damn food pyramid had never been constructed as a guide to health. And both of my parents would probably still be alive As well, if it hadn't been paraded as the solution to health problems.
My skin seems to have normalised on carnivore It used to get shiny around the T zone, but not any more and also the redness has gone. I thought it was because I have sensitive skin, but no it's all even colour now. I can also tan now and tolerate much more sun! I used to burn to a crisp with factor 50 on!
Aside from the silliness of a 6-9 lb per day diet, the condition they referred to (Xanthelasma) is often caused by familial hypercholesterolemia. The gent could have been dealing with this genetic condition for his entire life without noticeable symptoms, but it began to manifest more obviously in the physiologic milieu of carnivore.
The purpose is not to discount this could happen on a carnivore diet so a tiny minority of people. We are each individual. I'd be surprised if some people didn't have this response. This video is about the quality of the report and lowering of intellectual standards for the sake of fear mongering and propaganda in the 'literature'
@@writer_jane4912 I’m not a doctor. Rather, just a curious guy who became concerned about my own cholesterol levels after starting carnivore in 4Q 2023. Based on my limited understanding of the topic, FH can be exacerbated by high cholesterol diets, much more so than an individual without this genetic condition. So the lipid panel bloodwork is probably worth keeping an eye on, in my opinion, even in the absence of symptoms. I believe you can get that tested for around $10 or so without a doctor’s order.
I saw this article the other day and I thought the 6 to 9 lbs of cheese and butter thing without any reference to time frame was just sloppy reporting. I didn’t realize that it was a direct quote from the medical journal. That is disgraceful to JAMA Cardiology.
Recently talked to my relative who had some serious health issues in soviet times after eating crazy amounts of pure butter in a short period of time as he gained access to that butter which was a deficit at that moment. He barely survived. Got pretty yellow etc. A true story. Eating unnatural amounts of anything can be toxic, it's true.
4 years cv, and I have healed my body, and have been experimenting with foods to add in again lately. Like you I don't think, that everybody needs to be cv, but some certainly do, no doubt, if nothing else, to reset their body... As a Scandinavian I see a large difference in the quality of the vegs, fruits and grain grown there, the milk products etc compared to many products in Spain. The quality of the soil is also largely better. Especially the Scandinavian tradition with sour fermented milks and vegs, I think, makes a huge difference on how many of our bodies have developed the digestion system. Whereas South of Spain largely has adapted the arabic love for sweet flavors, all products have to be sweet, and generally much produce is grown in greenhouses, not even in soil. Their health is saved partly by their big love of meat and fish, the more hours of sun/light, that still makes locally grown produce better. People who eat local 'real' food, still live long lives. I'm certain the different ways of eating, has shaped variations, of what is a general good food to eat for our bodies 😊
I am carnivore. And I moderate several communities and this article has been the most shared post in those communities (and frankly I am tired of seeing cheese hands). I have been sending them to your rebuttal of the validity of this article. Gotta ring that "Shame" bell.
That burger in the JAMA Propaganda article has a big bun. Mixing Starches with Lipids is not recommended... triggers Randel Cross Suppression of both fat and sugar metabolism... a "main ingredient" in developing Metabolic Disease.
As we see the Carnivore data getting wider and wider distribution, with thousands of people reporting their experience, we are seeing an obvious pushback from the Food/Pharma industrial complex. When you listen to them talk about carnivore, it recalls the way the "doctors" talked about mRNA vaccines: "I'm right, trust me, bro."
My plan for my N=1 study this year: One meal per day, about 10 am, 2500-3000- kcal, 1 can of sardines in virgin olive oil, grass fed beef, sometimes chicken, liver, or pork belly. Wednesdays and Fridays fast - water only. No more then 20g of carbs, mostly sauerkraut and pecans. I have been doing it for 25 days now. Results? My weight went down from 190.4 to 176.8. Sugar from 108 to 75. Ketons from 0.1 to 2.7 and I feel great!
I'm 5 10 and 180 and I struggle to get two pounds of food down my throat a day. I can't imagine trying to eat six to nine pounds of cheese...or anything really. They should have put this out on April first so they would have plausible deniability to the complete farse that this article is.
It`s always about false information that makes me look for the truth, questioning other people about their claims. But in my case the results proved how it worked! Another great Dr Nick!
questioning the things you see instead of blindy trusting everything is a slowing dying, but very important skill not enough people know of anymore 😢..
If this report were actually true it would add, not detract, to the credibility of carnivore. The amount of calories this man supposedly ate FOR EIGHT MONTHS and his only symptoms being xanthelasma would in my mind be strong evidence for the safety and tolerability of carnivore. Pure sugar is roughly equivalent in calories per pound as most cheeses. I want you to seriously imagine anyone eating 6-8lbs of sugar a day for 8 months and not being in some sort of acute crisis. He even says he's feeling more energetic and has lost weight. What an absolute LEGEND.
I ran into that same article, and got as far as the 6-9 lbs of cheese and didn't read further. There is no way to take that claim seriously as even likely to have happened, let alone that it is something advocated by those that promote the carnivore (or any other) diet.
I was in a store today and they had the radio on. This story came on and I told one of the customers "they're telling a lie". I'm 7 months "lion diet" and nothing is oozing out of my skin, but I'm not eating more than 3 pounds of beef per day. If dude could eat 6-9 lbs of beef, butter, and cheese then maybe it could happen. How can someone eat that much? This article, if true, would also be an argument against the calories in calories out, CICO, model. If dude was losing weight, while eating in excess of 10,000 calories per day, it would conclusively prove that the CICO is flawed. One pound of butter is 3248 calories. I doubt I could eat one pound of butter in a day, let alone adding another 5-8 lbs of meat and cheese. If I could eat one pound of butter, I wouldn't eat anything else. While I believe calories do matter to some extent, the type of calories matters more than the actual number of calories consumed.
Michael-pn2ye. Perfectly stated. Nick, I am so beneath your intellect but I understand and appreciate everything you help us with. Ketovore has been my way of life for 2 years and will be for the rest of my life. 82 now and plan many more healthy years to come.😊
20 years ago I rode by bicycle daily 50-70 miles on a carnivore diet. After every 60-90 days I'd have to change my Cinelli cork ribbon because the little holes were clogged with fat. But nothing like this BS. I've also seen some Porsches with leather seats that are ventilated with some sweat deposits.
If I had six and 9 gallons of water a day I would die If I had six and nine alcoholic drinks every day my liver and heart in cardiovascular system would take a toll and I would be sick If I ate 6 to 9 pounds of potatoes, I'll probably go into insulin shock
It’s like second Christmas at the Norwitz house! Thanks for the rash of new videos, Nick. When and how and where do we support you monetarily? UA-cam membership? Patreon? Something else?
That's very kind. Currently, all my UA-cam content is free. But I have a Newsletter (Stay Curious Metabolism) with a paid subscription option. If you want to support me there, I'd of course appreciate it! It will also give you earliest access to my breakdowns and thoughts on recent papers and events: staycuriousmetabolism.substack.com/p/meat-the-myths-top-8-carnivore-diet?r=40ekz2
Hopefully some of the things going on right now will result in scrutiny of these journals. Specifically, the terrible peer reviews or completely fabricated peer reviews, and absurd publication bias towards deeply held beliefs. I think the performance of journals during the pandemic would be a great topic to review. What got published, what didn't, and why.
before i went on a high fat "high cholesterol" carnivore, i had omega 6 linoleic acid "oozing" from my skin and scalp. i had huge problem with greasy hair, that only went away once switched to butter and animal fats. that pictures of his hand is ridicoulus.
Keep up the great work! Your channel is a breath of fresh and logical air! Seems like critial thinking is lost in society today and videos like yours help to shine a light on the issues that need attention! Context and nuance is important in every single aspect of life
I did not read the report but saw the pic of cholesterol hands posted with title on fb. The first thing I thought was shouldn't they have low cholesterol and LDL from filling chylomicrons ?
Here’s what really happened. The guy fell asleep with Kraft cheese slices in his hand. When he woke up, he had a brilliant idea to stir the pot against the carnivore community
Yea me and family were laughing about this article. 6-9lbs of fatty food a day is more calories than the largest strongman on earth...daily. He'd be a blimp and his digestive system would have probably imploded.
„The Science is corrupt, untrustworthy“ are accurate descriptions, adding „out-to-get-them“ is deceiving, as it makes the whole sentence wrong. The question is, why are reputable science journals doing this again and again?
I'm vegan, so as far removed from pro-carnivore as one can be, and even I recognise this as bs. Scientific literacy should be a mandatory school subject.
Thanks and I agree. This isn't about meat-based vs plant-based... it's about intellectual integrity
If you're vegan, you don't have any scientific literacy at all. You're just another brainwashed peon, slowly poisoning yourself to death in ignorance.
YO, if you are a vegan you are the one who has to go to school.
@@brodeizehe sounds way more intelligent than you just by his writing style and humbleness
@@omikrondraconis5708 A great shame you don't recognise the rest of the ideology as BS. I learned from a evidence based health researcher you need to look up bioavailabity of each essential nutrient in supposedly 'good' plant based sources of that nutrient and calculate how much of that plant you'd need to consume to meet minimum requirement. I only had to do this for iron to realise the whole ideology falls apart - average bioavailabity for iron in legumes a supposed good source - 1.9%. Lentils contain 6mg of non heme iron per 100g. A non menopausal woman has a minimum requirement 18mg of iron a day. To achieve that 18mg of iron from lentils or other plant based sources she would need to consume 1.6 KILOS!! And it's not even the format we need - heme iron and the conversion from non-heme to heme is poor. And the more non heme you consume, the more your body limits how much you absorb...and you don't even need to do this for every nutrient because if you can't get enough iron it's game over!
Reminds me of that Mark Twain quote, "A lie will travel the world before the truth gets its shoes on."
Good quote.
And today it does it at half the speed of light. But wait for the truth to come up, and it will endure.
@@nicknorwitzPhDDebate Dr Matthew Nagra
@@nicknorwitzPhD Debate Dr Matthew Nagra.
I’ve been a strict carnivore for over 3 years. It was the best decision I’ve ever made regarding my health. The only thing I’m “oozing” is self-confidence. I’ll never go back to eating any other way.
"The only thing I’m “oozing” is self-confidence." Love it!
Ditto for me. I consider 3 years a long-term study of one and it's not even debatable at this point.
💯 agree! I have been carnivore for a little over a year now. The stubborn pregnancy weight that I carried for 16 years is now gone!!!
What do you eat specifaclly ? What are the meatd you eat
I 'm 68,....been on the carnivore diet for almost 2 years. I had bad arthritis in my knees, lower back, and hips, was walking down my 4 steps in front of my house ,one at a time with a cane and pressing down on the railing with my other hand to try and reduce the pressure from each step!
The cane is in my porch, I haven't used it in almost 2 years! I can do deep knee bends,lunges, skipping, running on the spot. No need for my knee replacement surgery!! I have more energy, and no need for Tylenol anymore, not out of breath, don't hear my heartbeat hammering in my head from going upstairs anymore!!! No pain at all!!❤ I eat any kind of meat, and fish,eggs and plain full fat yogurt,avocadoes, and mushrooms.I also season my meat the same way I always did.Still have coffee and tea ,no sugar, no pastries,no rice,no salads,no potatoes. It is amazing! Anyone out there in pain please try it, you will feel the difference within the first week!!
When there is a birthday, I will eat a piece of cake though, but I go back to eating carnivore the day after and I am fine.
Here in Brazil, this case has been popping up on the internet and several people have come to question me, as I have been following the carnivore diet for 4 years. And I'm still amazed at how the truth never goes viral, but these absurd cases and/or lies spread like wildfire. 🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯
Definitely no point being amazed at stuff like this these days. They're getting desperate and shameless.
Well... share this video and it will be +1 point for truth and intellectual integrity ;)
Same here. I'm also Brazilian and it's funny how there is no good information on carnivore diet from Brazilian sources.
I'm planning on starting it very soon.
@@altname4742 até temos bons proficionais que entendam bem de carnívora, mas estão escondidos. Vou deixar dicas de profissionais que gosto para assistir aqui no UA-cam: Dr. Alexandre Duarte, Lua Ferrari e Dani Frederico.
Brazilian here, also recieved from my frienda and I'm not even carnivore
Thank you for calling out journals for propaganda
The medical journals pretty much ruined their reputations during Covid. It will be very hard for them to get it back. Sad.
They’re not trying very hard, tbh.
@@TehKarmalizer we need RFK Jr to clean this mess up!
I see carnivore diet as the simplest elimination diet to be used when you need to figure out what food is hurting you.
And when you need to clear up metabolic issues. Keto absolutely doable long term, imo, though. That's where I'm at.
That's fair.
Ketones will give a brainboost. But thats not because of meat, but because of low sugar..
That is the best way I ever heard anyone decide carnivore. Way to go!!!!!!
Carnivore is bad for you but I take my kids to McDonald's everyday to eat their carnivore meat. Nothing wrong with that 😂😂😂😂😂
My mom and a friend of mine sent me this (they don't believe everything they see straight up, but still). I told them that the articles I was reading about it read like Bullshit. Then I saw the actual paper after I emailed an old professor to get me access. I genuinely got mad because I thought I still couldn't access the full paper. Turns out it was that one page. I told my mom and friend that I've never seen such a laughable excuse for a propaganda piece against keto in my life.
I know right! Jaw to the floor.
Get out! Lol. For real. That's a nice nugget of info to have.
Yeah it was even worse than the "guy goes on keto and develops CVD" paper from last year.
6-9lbs of butter cheese and meat a day is insane. Even at my heaviest at over 400lbs, 2-3lbs meat was enough to keep me full throughout the day.
I can certainly do 3 lbs of a combination of meat and cheese in one sitting, if I eat it quick enough. I doubt I could do that 2x a day though to get to 6 lbs
It is insane, but also logical. Cheese contains a lot of carbs, and I had noticed that it makes me hungry. So while 2 - 3 lbs of meat may be enough per day to keep you sated, if you add pounds of cheese to it, suddenly you may be able to scarf down said 6 - 9 pounds of food.
Yes absolutely don’t need to eat two pounds some days maybe three pounds every so often. I have ton of energy and no muscle lose but rather the opposite. 😊
@@aldariontelcontar I’m super skeptical someone is going to eat pounds of cheese at one time, let alone every day over a long period of time, on top of pounds of meat. Even if it’s not as satiating as meat, that’s a whole lot of protein and fat. The cheeses I have are certainly not so laden with carbs that they would make that possible.
@@TehKarmalizer I used to eat one pound of cheese a day. Now I'm back to mostly vegetarian.
You usually find an article of this "quality" staring you in the face while waiting on line at the grocery store check out. 🙄
😂👍
Sharing the front page with the half human bat boy, or something similar!
Thank you for being a smart person debunking this stuff in an approachable way. The wife would never let me do this diet without ya, and it's helping me.
How is it helping you? And thanks for the kind words
@@nicknorwitzPhD The diet helps me mentally, with focus, and with weight loss/management. And, it doesn't negatively impact my bloodwork, aside from elevated LDL if I'm using it to lose weight.
Your videos help me because my wife (bless her heart - she just wants me to be healthy) sees these headlines which puts negative pressure (I'm sure many face this) on me just trying to stick to a therapy (this diet) that is improving my life.
She's a Ph.D. in another field, but is guilty of skimming the surface on some of this stuff (hell I am too). So, to see someone with such specialty, who has done published research that is up-to-date on the topic, break some of the headlines down...helps put her at ease with me giving carnivore the old college try.
Cheers man! Appreciate your content.
@@nickdoessstuff I wouldn’t worry about elevated LDL. It has been shown to be protective rather than the damaging narrative spun about it in the last decades.
JAMA has turned into "The Onion".
Don’t insult The Onion like that 🤪
Junks And Misinformation Association (JAMA)
Can I have steak under that onion?
Always been a Weekly World News kinda guy myself.
@@nicknorwitzPhD Debate Dr Matthew Nagra.
Yesterday my gf showed me this news and I almost laughed, your video came at the right time and I just sent it to her 😊❤
Great. What did she say?
The paper claimed that the guy was eating such an implausible amount of cheese daily that I immediately assumed it was published as a joke.
yup and I can barely eat more than 1-2 oz of cheese as it is super filling! I have a small handful of macadamia nuts and cheese and hours later some organic grass fed beef and eggs and plenty of nourishment.
I lowered my A1C from 9.8 to 5.8 in 7 months - not even using strict carnivore, but a ketovore diet. And I am an Advanced Heart Disease Patient. I have Heart Failure. My ischemia/angina has reduced significantly during sleep. I could not sleep at night for years because I was afraid to have a heart attack during sleep. Now, I sleep like a baby. There is NOTHING that can dispute my results from eating this way.
congrats same here! Down 40lbs last year and feel way better.
Thank you Nick for your objectivity in presenting many sides and helping us to "remain curious".
You're welcome Jack!
The lies never stop
Then will call them out
@@nicknorwitzPhD will?
@@nicknorwitzPhD Na, Then won't. We'll have to! LOL
This only validates the fact that the “carb side” sector is getting desperate.
Yes! They'll try anything!!!!😅😂😅😂
Meh, let people believe it...More ribeyes for me! lol.
I feel this way, too. I'm glad to see the "fad" form of carnivore implode, like every other fad diet does. Some of us actually need it to survive and thrive, done correctly.
That's shellfish of you
100%
Isn't oozing cholesterol how we make VitD on our skin?
Problem is they use this kind of stuff to push policies trying to limit access to meat.
Who remembers when that raw vegan girl died of malnutrition, and all the same Plant Based influencers (who latched onto and paraded this cholesterol man’s story to their followers) quickly protested that her diet was an extreme diet that is not how a plant based diet should be done? Pepperridge farm remembers.
Don't say vegan, it's a disgusting word used to tell everything and its opposite, don't play their game even if you think that you are smart because of their dead puppets.
Gluten is not vegan, sugar is not vegan, most of the time eating fruits is not vegan.
Eating salad or plants is not vegan but still the best on the long run, the animals can not lie about that.
Vegan is not possible because the plants are constructed by living micro organisms, this is why they need to be prepared aka lured, deceived to be eaten, lured with the promise of water and killed with fire after, most of the time.
If a plant wants to defend itself, this means that the colony, the seed has a collective memory, intelligence.
A plant is a structure, a skyscraper, simply.
But you can not really build a great flora in your intestines without those plants' bricks.
Life is also a marriage, a symbiotic relation, a fusion. This is why we have wisdom teeth, normally.
Oh my stars.....The Pepperidge Farm remembers! I thought I was the only one
@@ParaclefI’m vegan. I eat a carnivore diet, so therefore I’m reducing the amount of animal deaths. In the UK the cows and sheep eat grass, so no food needing to be grown for them in a separate field. The vegan arguments like that don’t hold any water in places like this.
@@chaosenergy1990 You can just not say, that you are vegan, because it's simply not possible. Hurting our fauna and flora with gluten or tofu, and chemicals like the ones from fake meat products, even fermented products can sadly, badly modified our microbiome ( i am extremely allergic to penicillium, yeats etc.. ), that's not vegan.
@@Paraclef I don’t need any bricks in my intestines. Thanks anyway.
I’m a carnivore and I eat 2-3 pounds of beef or eggs a day, usually closer to 2 pounds. I’m a 200 pound man with a high level of activity, running and lifting weights 4 days a week and working as a tradesman. I can’t imagine anyone eating more than 3 pounds a day.
So you say you are the most hardcore cornivore mf and there’s no one outperforming you?
@@RazexFXpretty sure he's saying that its hard to imagine a skinny guy eating that much a day. 3lbs and 6 eggs is my max and im 6'4" 200lbs. On top of that you'd be chewing half the day to get that much down.
As of tomorrow, 5 years carnivore. Why didn't I start much sooner!
Thank you for covering this; Objective and informative.
I appreciate you appreciating this video. To be clear, the purpose is not to discount this could happen on a carnivore diet so a tiny minority of people. We are each individual. I'd be surprised if some people didn't have this response. This video is about the quality of the report and lowering of intellectual standards for the sake of fear mongering and propaganda in the 'literature'
The comments in general on every outlet that posted this crap is full of people calling out the BS.
Gives me hope.
That's nice to hear...
I am celebrating one year on carnivore and I will never go back. I have had the odd day over the last year where I had non-carnivore meals and I usually regret it. I am thrilled with my health improvements, increased strength, better body fat to muscle ratio, and it is the first time in my life that I don't struggle with a maladaptive appetite signals. This has been so liberating! Thank you, Nick, for being such a valuable part of my journey.
The way the article is written, he ate 6-9 pounds of cheese, butter, and other fats per day, "incorporated into his daily hamburgers" - that would be in addition to the hamburgers. But given how sloppy this all is, who knows what they were trying to say
Those who have seen enough of this bogus reporting will just add another reason for distrist & disrespect of food and health organizations.
Mistrust is the issue... it's why I am speaking up.
@@ryan6391 this 100%!!
Yes, crap like this is why I didn't trust the medical community.
I can't eat 2 pounds of cheese and meat in a day without gaining weight. I don't really want to eat over a single pound. I ate a half pound of meat yesterday, added on a protein shake and was sated. The only way I could eat two pounds is if I was working out constantly. I work out five days a week already and almost never eat a pound of food.
This article is completely dishonest. It almost reads like an article written by ai then rewritten by a physician paid by a statin manufacturer seeing the writing on the wall.
The breach of trust is a huge problem. That's why I speak up.
i been lifting since only last year 2024. right now bulking on a mostly low carb semi-carnivore / meat heavy omnivore diet.
a pound of meat a day is just about enough for maintenance(im 5.6ft tall), but i cant gain weight with just 1 pound. 1kg is better. slightly more, EVEN BETTER. the weight gain isnt bad. im actually underweight and lacking in muscle so i do need to bulk.
im about to hit 3x bodyweight deadlift very soon within the next few months. its incredible how strong you can get with appropriate training and just 1kg of meat a day
@@nicknorwitzPhD I really appreciate you doing so (speaking up) ... I also think your videos are a masterclass in critical thinking.
Actually got a post in my fb feed with the same pic as in the thumbnail just today. Glad you made this video.
You're welcome
Been waiting for this breakdown. Too bad there wasn't more real information about the case details so Nick could break it down better.
That's kinda the point... it's grossly deficient
I'm so glad you did a video presentation and analysis on this. I saw it in a Cardiovascular Business email I received a couple of days ago and wondered, "What the heck?". I kept waiting for it to hit the news. I didn't even open the link to read the article because the title and picture made no sense to me.
3 pounds of beef in a single meal is doable but ime it puts you into a food coma and eating is not even possible for like 24h so doing that 2 or 3 times a day to reach 6 to 9 pounds every day is madness. The only way that may be even remotely possible is if the subject is a literal giant and I doubt the losing weight part even if he was.
Actually I would believe he does lose weight. CICO is BS.
CICO is BS to some extent, under some definitions.
In the common aception that considers only a static basal metabolic rate and movement as the calories out and any calorie you put in your mouth as calories in, it surely is BS for at least this reasons:
- The basal metabolism is far from static, it changes with many things including the calories in or the kind of substrates and micronutrients in.
- There are other ways to get calories out like ketones in pee and breath or skin cells falling off or secretions going out of your body.
- Not all calories that you put in your mouth are absorbed.
That said, if you really account for all inputs, outputs and storage, they must absolutely match. In this house we obey the laws of thermodynamics!!
But then that does not tell us what those stored calories will be used for, when it isn't heat/movement and they didn't end up being excreted and they were indeed absorbed the only thing that can possibly happen to them is being stored so weight gain will happen. It may happen as muscle, connective tissue, fat tissue or any other kind of tissue.
So given that meat is one of the best absorbed foods and that such amounts is roughly 10000 Kcal, so lets say we need to get rid of 8000. What can account for that:
- If you were to poop most of that instead of absorbing it, it would be an absolutelly terrible experience (actually a familiar experience to me at a smaller scale, seriously not fun to live in the toilet).
- If you were to excrete it as ketones, it would be about 1.1Kg of acetone per day to get rid of, being near sparks or flames would be very dangerous but you could absolutelly use your thingie as a flame thrower.
- If you were to turn it all into heat, it is roughly 500W of continuous heat output. Not absolutely impossible as that is about what a decently trained human can sustain for an hour or two in a bike (we produce way more heat than mechanical power) and I guess that what an elite athlete could sustain for 24h but it would be punishing, a lot of sweating would need to happen to avoid self cooking.
- If you turned it all into muscle, it would still show in the scale and you would be gaining like 5 pounds+ of muscle a day so in 200 days you would be up 1000 pounds of muscle and could easily fight a gorilla.
Of course a single mechanism doesn't need to cope with all of it, it can be spread out and that is what accounts for differences of the magnitude that is actually consistent with reality but if you try to push such mechanism into the extremes we are talking here you still end up as the hulk with flammable pee suffering for hours in the toilet while sweating to dissipate the intense heat.
Ime when doing keto I can eat somewhere about 300 to 500 extra calories more without gaining weight and when I do gain weight, more of it is muscle. And I have gained weight on keto, I have gone from terrible GI issues not allowing me to eat or not allowing me to keep food inside for most of 2022 to while mostly eating broccoli and meat gaining back 20kg once my GI issues improved. I have also lost weight while on keto previously.
shawn baker can easily eat 3 pounds, but hes a 6.5ft giant who lifts weights.
by comparison im a 5.6ft walking twig who only started exercising last year. 3 pounds in one meal is too difficult for me
Which why we need Protein Powder and Supplements 💪💪💪
To get the equivalent of good stuff in 10lb of meat in 1L of Supplements.
@ im broke and cant afford those. meat is better
Saw this on the "health" sub in Reddit. Rolled my eyes so hard I almost fell out of my chair.
My MIL sent this to my wife the other day because she is so concerned that we are killing ourselves on carnivore diet, even though only good has come from it. As soon as I saw 6-9 lbs daily my thought was "Did you read this with your eyes open?" That is physically IMPOSSIBLE!
Unfortunately, it is not difficult to make people believe absurdities.
Nick, your channel has provides such great content! Please keep the truth about nutrition coming!❤
Thank you! Will do!
I used to have mild xanthelasma above my eyelids before I went carnivore. Now they're magically gone. Must be a coincidence, yeah?
That's interesting... but I doubt JAMA CARDIO would publish your N of 1... even if you had impeccable diet records and photographs, lab reports, and a carefully curated medical history with full genome sequence.
@@nicknorwitzPhD I'm aware of that, I guess. Just saying, if someone is doubtful about eating fatty meat. Don't be.
People with low LDL have a 15X greater blood cancer risk.
@@nicknorwitzPhDHey Nick do you think this could be an issue with hyper absorption of phyto sterols in some people, and phyto sterols being problematic in our physiology if absorbed? Dr Paul Mason talks about this hypothesis. There is a genetic SNP that is rare and these people get these xanthomas and have very early CVD.
At what point, does anecdotal evidence become hard solid evidence? One million, 10 million instances? They seem to think if you slap that label on it that it didnt happen!
Thank you for your voice of reason!
The problem here, as you've noted, is going ot be the clear break in trust with science by the laypeople like myself. If i can't trust JAMA for this, how can i trust them for anything else? Especially on more important topics, like COVID.
Breach of trust is the core issue
Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles II: The Secret of the Ooze 😂🤣 OK I’m showing my age
I always love a good pop culture reference... but I'm a Harry Potter and MCU guy
Go ninja go ninja go
@@nicknorwitzPhD I’m Im a bit older. It was Transformers and Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles for me. My sketchbook were full of them.😁
@ChappySinclair😎
Do people really think a man has eaten like 10,000 calories worth of cheese and meat a day??!
For 8 months... and losing weight... and 10,000 Calories is low balling it...
It can be done, in fact I think the bodybuilder in the channel Revival fitness is consuming around that many calories.
@@Gengh13Olympic swimmer Michael Phelps ate around 10k calories a day when training. Too bad the article gave basically zero useful info
@@Gengh13 No, he claims like 3 or maybe 4 pounds of beef which would be under 5,000.
@@Gengh13 He eats 6-7k calories, at less than 200 pounds bodyweight, if i remember correctly. Muscles burn a lot of calories, even when resting, tho.
My kid came to me with this headline, telling me she does not want to eat meat anymore. And it was hard to get protein into her before this crap.
In science we trust… not. At least not in this kind.
In channels like yours we get educated in what makes sound data. And I did my PhD in medical science. I was never taught to do studies properly. I left in the end because my gut told me to even though I could not tell what bugged me. 15 years later I learn it on UA-cam…
I can definitely feel the difference in my skin when I am eating very high fat! I can literally scrape some of it under my fingernails when I run them across my face for example. Oil cleansing seems to be the best way to lighten the load (apply a little bit of your favorite fat/oil blend to the skin and rub it in gently, then use a hot wet washcloth to lift up any excess). That way you can lift off any grime m/makeup you've picked up during the day 😂. But that said, I don't see this as a problem. I was sitting in a small group Women in my age group that I had not met before. As we talked about different issues regarding Social Security and Medicare, they just told me "you just wait and you will see when you are a senior" about something or other. So I asked them if 65 was old enough because that's how old I am - and they couldn't believe I was 65 years old because of my skin.
I explained that the extra around the middle was courtesy of pasta and soda, but the skin was good because of heredity (mom's fine pores!) and Because I have never skimped on fatty meat. I should probably also have added that I have ignored nearly every facial product as well because of their artificial ingredients and because I don't get breakouts anymore. (Those started When the food pyramid shifted, and it all goes away when I restrict the starchy carbs combined with fat).
My entire life, I have been so attracted to delicious and fatty meat ❤❤❤. Lamb and beef and pork with the visible fat, the chicken thighs with the skin on, and duck… I want all the duck!
I would have saved myself decades of health issues and wardrobe issues if that damn food pyramid had never been constructed as a guide to health. And both of my parents would probably still be alive As well, if it hadn't been paraded as the solution to health problems.
My skin seems to have normalised on carnivore It used to get shiny around the T zone, but not any more and also the redness has gone. I thought it was because I have sensitive skin, but no it's all even colour now. I can also tan now and tolerate much more sun! I used to burn to a crisp with factor 50 on!
@ - I bet you celebrate a little every time you see your face in the mirror! 🎉🥳👏🏼
Aside from the silliness of a 6-9 lb per day diet, the condition they referred to (Xanthelasma) is often caused by familial hypercholesterolemia. The gent could have been dealing with this genetic condition for his entire life without noticeable symptoms, but it began to manifest more obviously in the physiologic milieu of carnivore.
The purpose is not to discount this could happen on a carnivore diet so a tiny minority of people. We are each individual. I'd be surprised if some people didn't have this response. This video is about the quality of the report and lowering of intellectual standards for the sake of fear mongering and propaganda in the 'literature'
@@nicknorwitzPhDAgreed. Anything can happen, but this case report really should have been bounced by the gatekeepers.
My mom is currently 9 months carnivore with familial hypercholesterolemia. If this happens to her I'll make sure her case report is thorough.
@@writer_jane4912 I’m not a doctor. Rather, just a curious guy who became concerned about my own cholesterol levels after starting carnivore in 4Q 2023. Based on my limited understanding of the topic, FH can be exacerbated by high cholesterol diets, much more so than an individual without this genetic condition.
So the lipid panel bloodwork is probably worth keeping an eye on, in my opinion, even in the absence of symptoms. I believe you can get that tested for around $10 or so without a doctor’s order.
" the condition they referred to (Xanthelasma)"
This was oxalate dumping caused by eating too much veggies... 🤪🤪🤪
Prove that I am wrong 😛😛😛
I saw this article the other day and I thought the 6 to 9 lbs of cheese and butter thing without any reference to time frame was just sloppy reporting. I didn’t realize that it was a direct quote from the medical journal. That is disgraceful to JAMA Cardiology.
Recently talked to my relative who had some serious health issues in soviet times after eating crazy amounts of pure butter in a short period of time as he gained access to that butter which was a deficit at that moment. He barely survived. Got pretty yellow etc. A true story. Eating unnatural amounts of anything can be toxic, it's true.
The age of self care is here. But carnivore works. I am almost two years on it and doing great.
Thank you for covering this.
Welcome
4 years cv, and I have healed my body, and have been experimenting with foods to add in again lately.
Like you I don't think, that everybody needs to be cv, but some certainly do, no doubt, if nothing else, to reset their body...
As a Scandinavian I see a large difference in the quality of the vegs, fruits and grain grown there, the milk products etc compared to many products in Spain. The quality of the soil is also largely better. Especially the Scandinavian tradition with sour fermented milks and vegs, I think, makes a huge difference on how many of our bodies have developed the digestion system. Whereas South of Spain largely has adapted the arabic love for sweet flavors, all products have to be sweet, and generally much produce is grown in greenhouses, not even in soil. Their health is saved partly by their big love of meat and fish, the more hours of sun/light, that still makes locally grown produce better. People who eat local 'real' food, still live long lives.
I'm certain the different ways of eating, has shaped variations, of what is a general good food to eat for our bodies 😊
I hadn't heard this story. It's actually funny! Amazing what will get published.
ya... 'amazing'
National enquirer type stuff. Unfortunately happens all the time by news agencies that you would think would know better
@@mickster1780 ..._"... you would think..."_ .. Unfortunately, 'knowing better' appears to be less profitable for too many of them.
Apparently, some journals no longer even pay lipid service to good journalism.
I see what you did there! 😂
I'm in the camp who is reinforced in his belief by this that the system is corrupt and they are out there to get me. Diehard carnivore.
I am carnivore. And I moderate several communities and this article has been the most shared post in those communities (and frankly I am tired of seeing cheese hands). I have been sending them to your rebuttal of the validity of this article. Gotta ring that "Shame" bell.
Thanks. Feel encouraged to share this video widely. Of note, JAMA has not responded to my direct outreach
That burger in the JAMA Propaganda article has a big bun. Mixing Starches with Lipids is not recommended... triggers Randel Cross Suppression of both fat and sugar metabolism... a "main ingredient" in developing Metabolic Disease.
Not clear what he was actually eating
As we see the Carnivore data getting wider and wider distribution, with thousands of people reporting their experience, we are seeing an obvious pushback from the Food/Pharma industrial complex.
When you listen to them talk about carnivore, it recalls the way the "doctors" talked about mRNA vaccines: "I'm right, trust me, bro."
He's got xanthelasma and Xanthomas. His case is well documented through Tampa General Hospital.
My plan for my N=1 study this year: One meal per day, about 10 am, 2500-3000- kcal, 1 can of sardines in virgin olive oil, grass fed beef, sometimes chicken, liver, or pork belly. Wednesdays and Fridays fast - water only. No more then 20g of carbs, mostly sauerkraut and pecans. I have been doing it for 25 days now.
Results? My weight went down from 190.4 to 176.8. Sugar from 108 to 75. Ketons from 0.1 to 2.7 and I feel great!
Nail on the head! Perfectly covered and well presented
I'm 5 10 and 180 and I struggle to get two pounds of food down my throat a day. I can't imagine trying to eat six to nine pounds of cheese...or anything really. They should have put this out on April first so they would have plausible deniability to the complete farse that this article is.
I am glad I'm not an April Fool. 😂
It`s always about false information that makes me look for the truth, questioning other people about their claims. But in my case the results proved how it worked! Another great Dr Nick!
questioning the things you see instead of blindy trusting everything is a slowing dying, but very important skill not enough people know of anymore 😢..
If this report were actually true it would add, not detract, to the credibility of carnivore.
The amount of calories this man supposedly ate FOR EIGHT MONTHS and his only symptoms being xanthelasma would in my mind be strong evidence for the safety and tolerability of carnivore.
Pure sugar is roughly equivalent in calories per pound as most cheeses. I want you to seriously imagine anyone eating 6-8lbs of sugar a day for 8 months and not being in some sort of acute crisis.
He even says he's feeling more energetic and has lost weight. What an absolute LEGEND.
Is it corruption or simply intellectual laziness? Doesn't matter. Neither are acceptable.
I agree… doesn’t matter
I ran into that same article, and got as far as the 6-9 lbs of cheese and didn't read further. There is no way to take that claim seriously as even likely to have happened, let alone that it is something advocated by those that promote the carnivore (or any other) diet.
lol How long have you been asleep?
It was already painfully obvious that med and science journals had been weaponized.
Doesn’t mean that the carnivore diet is healthy. Quite the opposite, actually.
@volos_olympus True but it further exposes the overt corruption in healthcare professionals.
@volos_olympus yeah true I heard your hands turn yellow on it
@@Rakusa1337 Why not eat as much saturated fat as you can to prove me wrong then? Eat until your LDL-C crosses the 1000 treshold.
I wish I got more sleep...
It looks like his been losing circulation in his hand, looks like raynaud's syndrome
I was in a store today and they had the radio on. This story came on and I told one of the customers "they're telling a lie". I'm 7 months "lion diet" and nothing is oozing out of my skin, but I'm not eating more than 3 pounds of beef per day. If dude could eat 6-9 lbs of beef, butter, and cheese then maybe it could happen. How can someone eat that much?
This article, if true, would also be an argument against the calories in calories out, CICO, model. If dude was losing weight, while eating in excess of 10,000 calories per day, it would conclusively prove that the CICO is flawed. One pound of butter is 3248 calories. I doubt I could eat one pound of butter in a day, let alone adding another 5-8 lbs of meat and cheese. If I could eat one pound of butter, I wouldn't eat anything else. While I believe calories do matter to some extent, the type of calories matters more than the actual number of calories consumed.
If I ate a pound of butter I would get horrible reflux. Maybe King Kong could eat 9 pounds of food.
I am 72 and been on carnivore for a year, was keto for two years. Will never go back. Never felt so good.
I’ll say this again Nick thank you very much for your intellect and being able to make a simpletons understand!!!❤
you're welcome Michael. Thanks for taking the time.
Michael-pn2ye. Perfectly stated.
Nick, I am so beneath your intellect but I understand and appreciate everything you help us with.
Ketovore has been my way of life for 2 years and will be for the rest of my life. 82 now and plan many more healthy years to come.😊
3:32 "A handful of neurons" 🤣
IKR...
20 years ago I rode by bicycle daily 50-70 miles on a carnivore diet. After every 60-90 days I'd have to change my Cinelli cork ribbon because the little holes were clogged with fat. But nothing like this BS. I've also seen some Porsches with leather seats that are ventilated with some sweat deposits.
So whats the yellow stuff on the hands?
Thanks for keeping us up to date.
You bet
If I had six and 9 gallons of water a day I would die
If I had six and nine alcoholic drinks every day my liver and heart in cardiovascular system would take a toll and I would be sick
If I ate 6 to 9 pounds of potatoes, I'll probably go into insulin shock
I like the way you approached this, Nick. Thank you.
stay curious! Great work as usual Nick! :)
You're welcome
as soon as a journal sacrifices its integrity for clicks, their downfall is guaranteed.
Medical propaganda is dangerous! Thanks for posting, Nick.
Agree...
Thank you for continuing to educate me, and advocate for common sense (science!!)!! 👏🏻🫡🥓
You're welcome!
I read that report and thought: That's total science fiction.
Without light sabers 🙃
Constantly killing it with content !
Cheers
Got this article from my son who read it on Reddit under the “plant based” forum. I shall most definitely send your vid to him now. Thanks Nick!
It’s like second Christmas at the Norwitz house! Thanks for the rash of new videos, Nick. When and how and where do we support you monetarily? UA-cam membership? Patreon? Something else?
That's very kind. Currently, all my UA-cam content is free. But I have a Newsletter (Stay Curious Metabolism) with a paid subscription option. If you want to support me there, I'd of course appreciate it! It will also give you earliest access to my breakdowns and thoughts on recent papers and events: staycuriousmetabolism.substack.com/p/meat-the-myths-top-8-carnivore-diet?r=40ekz2
Hopefully some of the things going on right now will result in scrutiny of these journals. Specifically, the terrible peer reviews or completely fabricated peer reviews, and absurd publication bias towards deeply held beliefs. I think the performance of journals during the pandemic would be a great topic to review. What got published, what didn't, and why.
before i went on a high fat "high cholesterol" carnivore, i had omega 6 linoleic acid "oozing" from my skin and scalp. i had huge problem with greasy hair, that only went away once switched to butter and animal fats. that pictures of his hand is ridicoulus.
Keep up the great work! Your channel is a breath of fresh and logical air! Seems like critial thinking is lost in society today and videos like yours help to shine a light on the issues that need attention! Context and nuance is important in every single aspect of life
The Babylon Bee has competition, albeit unintentional.
Who says it was unintentional...
Superb content Nick - keep it coming - the world feels like it's finally moving to dismantle this misshapen rhetoric of "settled science"
Never 'settled'... if it is... it's not science.
I agree - I do not think there is one ideal diet for all people. Different people may thrive on almost completely opposing diets.
Agree
Great video and topic. Please keep doing this.
Right on right on right on...
There is no such thing as a “prestigious” medical journal. Not any more.
Isn't that the truth!
I did not read the report but saw the pic of cholesterol hands posted with title on fb. The first thing I thought was shouldn't they have low cholesterol and LDL from filling chylomicrons ?
Shameful corruption. That journal lost ALL its reputation.
Here’s what really happened. The guy fell asleep with Kraft cheese slices in his hand. When he woke up, he had a brilliant idea to stir the pot against the carnivore community
I saw that story and just laughed when I saw the supposed volume of food.
If JAMA would intend to turn into an UK tabloîd, they would not do any differently. 🙄🤦♂🤦♂
Many thanks for pointing this out.
The claim of 6 to 9 lb of food a day set of my alarms. That is an incredible amount of food.
Excellent info on a ridiculous article. Love the Monty Python reference..😂😂..I'm a huge fan of them and you!
Awesome, thank you! 🙏🏻
Yea me and family were laughing about this article. 6-9lbs of fatty food a day is more calories than the largest strongman on earth...daily. He'd be a blimp and his digestive system would have probably imploded.
Thank you 🧡
You’re welcome 😊
„The Science is corrupt, untrustworthy“ are accurate descriptions, adding „out-to-get-them“ is deceiving, as it makes the whole sentence wrong.
The question is, why are reputable science journals doing this again and again?