The Caribbean East Indians, Part 1 of 2
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- Опубліковано 15 вер 2024
- The “East Indians” of the Caribbean and Caribbean rim countries are the descendants of immigrants from the Indian sub-continent. Despite their name they are no relation to the indigenous aboriginal “Indians” who inhabit or formerly inhabited the area. The East Indians are, along with Black Afro-Caribbeans (“West Indians”), one of the two major ethnic groups in Trinidad and Tobago, Guyana and Suriname. There are also East Indian communities in Jamaica (one estimate for 1980 gives the East Indian population as 50,000), Grenada and the French islands of Martinique and Guadeloupe.
Indians were first brought to the Caribbean from the mid-1840s to work on white-owned sugar plantations as indentured labour to replace newly freed African slaves. The majority of immigrants were young men; later disturbances on the plantations forced the authorities to try and correct the imbalance. Indenture was usually for five years and the labourer was subject to restricting and paternalistic regulations which were sometimes described as “a new system of slavery”. After an initial number of years it was possible for the labourer to return to India but since many were offered land in order to entice them to stay near the estates, most stayed in their new country.
The racial tensions and stereotypes of later years were formed during the colonial period. Indians worked for less than Africans and were regarded as cheap and malleable labour. There were differences of culture between the Hindu and Muslim Indians and the Christian Africans. While the Africans, who were more likely to be literate in English, filled the jobs in the urban and commercial sectors, Indians were most likely to remain labourers and small farmers.
I was born and bought up in India and now settled in North America. I had a chance to visit Guyana and on the way back I touched down at Trinidad Airport. I was quite surprised to see a large number of people of Indian origin in both Guyana and Trinidad. This part of Indian history during the British occupation is still hidden from the text books in schools in my province in India. I just did not have any clue about the size of the population of Indian origin in countries like Guyana and Trinidad. It is very cruel and mean minded to hide this part of history from the modern generations of Indians in India. It is clear that still there are British slaves in India who wants to whitewash the dark history of British in India.
Rob Konat I had a similar experience when I met a woman from Trinidad 12 years ago at my daughter’s play school here in LongIsland NY. I was new there and didn’t know many people so we immediately became friends, though she was a converted Christians she still practice many Hindu rituals. Like she listens to Hanuman Chalisa on Tuesday, keeps Ganesh ji in her car. Since then I met so many Indo Caribbean some are my neighbors, friends, colleagues and some from the temples. They are amazing people, and I was so surprised that Indian people lived in South America for over a century and I’m sure no Indians know about it not even our history teachers. I asked my grandfather who is a history buff and did his masters from Presidency college Kolkata and he told me they are the people who were sent to kalapani, most were petty thieves, workers, laborers may be few were clerks and educated too but no one exactly knew where kala Pani was some believed it was Andaman Nicobar, Mauritius, Fiji etc but even he was surprised that they were sent all the way to South America. Such an important piece of history which was deliberately hidden but I’m not sure what was the reason behind this.
Mahābhārata, "The Great History of India.'' Bhārata means India, and mahā means greater, greater India.
The greater India was the whole planet. The whole planet was Bhārata-varṣa. Now it is crippled. It has become a small tract of land. But originally everywhere, this portion of the world, America, it was also Bhārata-varṣa. Sapta-dvīpa, seven islands. Seven islands. Actually the whole planet is full of water-Pacific Ocean, Atlantic Ocean, Indian Ocean. Full of water. And these are islands only-Asia, Europe, America. There are seven islands, sapta-dvīpa. The planet is sapta-dvīpa, seven full..., comprising of seven islands. That is Bhārata-varṣa."
This is the most complete history on the planet. Let's Heal the world.
I grew up not knowing about what color people are.
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At the time of our leaving the body, our material ancestry and body identification will not help us one bit.
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The govt of India then..didnt care abt the Indians who left or was stolen or sold ..BLAME THEM AN THE BRITISH GOVERNMENT..DAT QUEEN AN THE WICKED EMPIRE..WHO ALSO STOLE INDIA FOR 400 YEARS
This piece of history was hidden primarily the Indian government throughout the years and then subsequently by the said government of countries experiencing the indendentured. In Guyana I grew up learning in every minute detail about slavery and indendentured in my primary school lessons. But the information was barely available at the international level, until Indo_Caribbean writers began coming to international forums....
Our history teacher had told us about this, some 15 yrs back, we had few parts of it back in ncert history book
Namaste. I am South African Indian.
Interesting how our background is similar. Our ancestors arrived in 1860.We celebrate the arrival of our ancestors because they slogged for the life that we have today. My great grandfather came from Bihar.
We recently had a "Para Parayan Ramayan" Was beautiful online with all of the diaspora including Bharat.
Lots of love from South Africa
My grandparents came from southern India Tamil Nadu in the early 1900’s to Durban SA where my father was born and raised. He left in the 1950’s and after much travelling working on the merchant ships, he settled in London UK where he met and married my mother who was from Barbados in the Caribbean. I have no family in uk other than my siblings and my own children. I therefore endeavour to return to both South Africa and Barbados yearly to ensure I stay connected to my family in both countries. It is my dream I will one day visit India to see where my forefathers come from.
@@heathermadurai3300 Great I am sure your dream will come true
Indenture servant named created in 1834 or 35, but they been shipping coolies slaves to Caribbean since 1806. It's well documented...
@@sppro994 stfu about “coolie”
Your ancestor take good decisions at least they were use few years work as slave but now much better future and can go any country work etc
Now we are slave in india yet
Loved this video. I learned a lot more in 28 mins then in my American History books. All people around the world need to share your history. We have had outsiders tell our stories too often and they don't do us justice.
Thank you and ease share
I would like to know more about my familie in India …my grandfather was born in India and his father and elder brother had contact through letters …. So is there a possibility that those who have familie in India can trace their kin through ….background info and registers in India ?
Is there any special organization doing this research ?
@@sardhaladi74 hi, can I have your email please, I'm a research scholar, doing research on indentured migrants.
@@ankitakumari7236 hi you can whattsapp me
This was great and just what I needed to understand more of the East Indian history in the Caribbean. My Mothers country "Belize" was not mentioned but they share the same history as East Indian descendants in the Caribbean. They have a very small but rich cultural population of East Indians in the South of Belize where my Mother is from. She along with her Sisters/Brothers are full 100% East Indian.They are the last of this breed. I'm doing the best I can to learn more as they are all older and many have passed on. Thank you for this information! Gold!
@ Stephanie Williams, also in Jamaica
Yep - No one ever counts Jamaican Indians in anything.
There are many many of us on the largest English speaking island in the Caribbean. We do not wave a big flag to show who we are. We just live and get on with life!!!!!
🤷🏽♀️🤷🏽♀️ why does 🇯🇲❤️curry anything?? Where did Ganja an vegetarianism come from to Jamaica? How did so many Indian herbs, flowers and trees end up in Jamaica???🙋🏽♀️🙋🏽♀️🙋🏽♀️
Jamaican Indians exist! We are easygoing non- aggressive and some of the coolest Jamaicans ever.
Mushymoshy You are correct many are business owners farmers and government officials. And you can't look at a Jamaican and guess their full ancestry.
The history you’re taught in schools is garbage and not internally consistent.
@@mushymoshy the whole migration story told by Europeans is obviously BS. America was full of melanated people now considered blacks and East Indians, while light skinned Asians were called native Americans and indigenous despite no archaeological support. Now blacks and “east Indians” are told they came here recently when in reality they predate everyone in the continent.
Love and regards from India 🇮🇳 to all our Indian community in West Indies . We support West Indies in cricket and feel proud to see Indians in cricket team .
AUM NAMAH SHIVAY 🕉🙏💓
There seems to be a real lack of understanding amongst the academic fraternity and ordinary lay persons across this planet. Firstly attempting to define yourselves as Black, or Indian African or any other racial identity means you are still suffering from ignorance of where and how these categories originated. Secondly, and most importantly even so called white scholars have yielded to the fact that DNA data and an objective eye proves that they and all other humans originate from one source. The level of your discussion is quite frankly a perpetuation of covert racism or deviating towards unconscious intellectual cowardice.The so called Black can be traced back to inhabiting all corners of this planet long before any other human being set foot on this planet yet you waste your precious time avoiding this fact. The pyramids which are scattered all around this planet clearly demonstrate who built them and the type of people who attempted to conceal this evidence. So if you really want to continue this baseless debate let me remind all of you that we didn't come from you so called Asians and Europeans you came from us period. Stop being the victims of ignorance the evidence has always been staring you in the face for the benefit of this planet get rid of foolish debate and primitive modes of cognition. Thus far the so called Asian has the nearest genetic link to our ancestors yet there is no brotherly and sisterly love exhibited towards our people. Until you stop defining yourselves with these ludicrous definitions your contribution to our planet will amount to zero.
@@raymondfletcher2224 , Brother I just wanted to send my regards and love to The Fellow Indian Community in the Carribbean. That's all . I didn't think about racial conspiracies or biological genetical theories before typing my message .
Shanti 🙏, Anyway , thanks...
Raymond Fletcher what a load of rubbish. Climb out of your own arse
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@@jayphillip793 Rohan Khanhai, Alvin Kallisharan, Ramesh Sarwan, Fauod Bacchus.[Guyanese], Ramadhin Singh, Raphick Jumaadeen, Inshan Ali.Sunil Narayan,Sunil Badre,[Trinidadians]
Really thankful for this video, My granddad who is half south asian was born in Jamaica his mother was born in Bangladesh and we always wondered and asked my granddad how his Mother ended up in Jamaica and he never knew. I have looked further into this and this video has helped to answer questions my family always wanted to know. God bless and thanks for making the video 😊
cherelle J : be aware that bangladesh did not exist as country until recently. ....it was india prior to 1947 , then East Pakistan for many decades.!
I’m proud of my East Indian heritage my great grandmother was from Calcutta she went to Jamaica and worked in a place called Frome
Jai shri ram my hindu brothers
Westmoreland.
@LEOTHEPANTHERA so do you speak Bengali?
@LEOTHEPANTHERAit's good to know 😊😊...I am also Bengali...sir,do you live in Kolkata?
I did Ancestry dna kit. It has helped to connect . I was born in usa. Parents and grandparents were born in Jamaica. Trying to find out more about the ones that were born in India and Africa. Work in progress.
I’m really happy that I was able to learn y’all history. I’m of Afro descent but my great great grandmother was and Indian born during indentureship. I needed to understand what her parents life was like. She ended up being an orphan once her mother died on the way to Trinidad. Her son was also an Indian. I needed to understand to complete my family linage and history.
Hi Gabrielle,
Can I have your email pls.
By your last name, I can say your great great grandmother came from a part of south India call Tamilnadu.
They called “TAMILS”
They are very intelligent and wherever they go they rise to top.
i wanted once in my life to meet a carribean indian..because im fiji indian..like you my ancestors was sent to fiji. i always wondered how much would be our family.
To know how your forefathers struggle. mine to were brought as farmers. to all my carribean brothers and sister we indians from fiji send our love.
Thank you for all commenting, so nice to meet everyone! Hi, Namaste, Ram ram, Namaskaram, Aslam Walaikum, Prabhu ke jai❤
This comment was posted 4 years ago, truly honoured with all responses❤
Cindy Singh Which Fijian island are you from?
Alpha581 my mum is suva dad labasa, viti levu and vanua levu
Cindy Singh cool,I,m from st.vincent in the Caribbean we only have about 6000 east Indians out of a population of around 100,000.
Alpha581 wow... we came as a boat load but now we are 50% of fiji..this does not include population in us, canada, uk and the many that reside in Australia.
We came from many prejudices from fijian, but mainly they are ok.
One famous fiji indian is Vijay Singh the golfer.
we only realised there carribean indians when we saw cricket and saw shiv narayan chanderpaul.
Cindy Singh I'm Caribbean Indian I'm from Aruba
Host keeps cutting off his speakers. Very rude!
The host is very unprofessional. Sound like a pig
He has a time schedule, hosting is very expensive
Its either you're the host or ignorant just like him . So because its expensive its rightful to be an asshole
Typical Caribbean attitude lol
I agreed it happened it don't think it was rude even though unceremonious its time constraint it needed more in the series
They were tricked. They thought they would get to go back home. East Indian shipping company brought them.
Yes indentured laborers is just a cover name for legal slavery so sad
They were offered to stay, and were giving land settlements..... they made a CHOICE, to remain instead of returning on the perilous journey....... wish you all will stop the criticisms of the slave trade and indentureship.....they made a decision and they suffered the consequences...... future generations should appreciate that.... think of where you'll be today... had they not stayed.......‼‼‼⁉️🙂🇺🇸
Caste system is slavery perfect
@@deedee8043yes i was trying to explain this to a black woman that was saying indians werent slaves and chose to go etc etc. Basically trying to compare struggles saying we had it easy. She wouldnt budge, i just left her in her ignorance i didnt care to explain further
Not an Indian but found it highly fascinating and educational!
Hinduism has survived in the Caribbean and has thrived. Many a Indians are not aware of this history but because of the internet today, many are now becoming aware. It's funny how cricket has been the spark that ignited this enquiry.
not only hinduism, but also other indian religions, Islam etc
Really loved hearing this - didnt know this part about our Indian history! V shameful that this is not taught in our schools in India
Fascinating. Many of the folks here in the Caribbean and in Fiji were from the state of Bihar. They were bonded labor due to loans due to the British. Glad to see many are doing fantastic!
Hi odie , can we connect over email,
I want some information about folks in Caribbean
Actually they were paid and fifty percent returned to their homes in India far richer than their local compatriots. Many like my great grandfather stayed back and took their five acres and built upon it. The truth is they built a life in the Caribbean which they would never had in India because of the caste system. They became very wealthy professionals. When I went back to India I thanked God that my great grandfather had the guts to leave!
Mine too!
@@iamfunsize6853 are you from trinidad?
All respect to the East Indians but I have always said they have to be thankful that they were delivered from the caste system.The only thing is they got land when the Africans got nothing.
I am grateful my great grandparents didn't return to India. I don't think I would have had the same opportunities if I was from India.
@@ytuser201 Yes...
I really enjoy this, thank you! All of the guests had a lot of knowledge and information! Much of it I have some knowledge, but a lot I didn't know! Miss Mala, thanks, so much I learned from you! So eloquent Dr Gosine and Dr Narine! Great Job Host! I want more!
Government of India is issuing PIO (People's of Indian Origin) status to all people of Indian diaspora. We all are brothers and sisters. Our unity is our strength.
Can you elaborate more on this PIO
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Really Because i'm from Grenada and we have lots there , some are light skin and Some are Dark skin
@@CaribNation Indian origined can visit anytime for any extent without any Visa is PIO.
@@CaribNation Ofcourse sir, all PIOs are eligible for lifelong visas upon arrival to India.
Also they are ellgible to several housing schemes given by the government.
They can apply for seats in Universities and colleges and can also buy and sell property in India ( except farms and plantations)
I found this documentary quite interesting because nobody talks about this part of Indian history.This is very interesting because my mum told me that there is a bit of Indian in my ancestry (I'm black)She said that my grandma's grandfather was half Indian.Also there is a lot they don't tell you \they don't want you to know about the history the British has with other countries/islands.
This was good but I wish the host let the experts talk uninterrupted.
I thought the same. He loves to answer his own questions.
He's so aggressive with them. I noticed that too.
Stop talk crap 👎
Good information- 👍🏽👍🏽
I’m🇯🇲Jamaican Indian & I’ve noticed that Guyanese Indian men love hearing themselves speak- God forbid they listen to anyone 🙋🏽♀️🙋🏽♀️🙋🏽♀️🙋🏽♀️🙋🏽♀️🙋🏾🙋🏾🙋🏾🙋🏾
@@mushymoshy you are right they think they are better than the he other s.
Great to know about our ancestors who came to Guyana, Trinidad Jamaica and others what they endured during indentured ship period of their settlement. The colonial masters were not concerned about their welfare but exploited them. Nevertheless with their strong will power they kept their culture which is still maintained today. God rest their soul.
Don't forget Suriname ✊🏾✊🏾✊🏾♥️♥️♥️♥️
Also to Suriname, why you not mention Suriname, don't be a lair for the hindustani history...the 5year Girmith time...the first ship which is used to bring the indians to Suriname was named Lalla Rookh
You must read the sea of poppies by Amitav ghosh. Also the best way to break free of British slavery is to give up Christianity.
Understandable....but this does not give the the right to in turn look down at others and treat with disregard.
Very interesting! I’ve always wondered about my history. They weren’t many places i could have searched or get this info. Thank you once again!🙌
The first Indians who came to south Africa, came in the 16th century with the Dutch, very few though. But in the 1860 many came. Durban which is a city in south Africa, has the largest population of Indians outside of India. Glad to know this about the Indians in the carribean, I always wondered when I watched cricket and I listened to chutney musicians such as babla kachan.
I have many friends in Durban, South Africa. I visited there in January 2019 and I loved it. My ancestors like came from Bihar, Uttar Pradesh and Bengal and they settled in Guyana but many of us made the 2nd journey to North America (US and Canada) where we now live. Indo-Caribbeans have bequeathed Chutney-Soca music to South Africa and our ancestral homeland of India/Bharat. I think the Diasporic Indian communities across the globe have enriched the world with their cultural practices.
kaise bani... kaise bani
... philouri been ah chatni... kaise bani
i wanted once in my life to meet a carribean indian..because im fiji indian..like you my ancestors was sent to fiji. i always wondered how much would be our family.
To know how your forefathers struggle. mine to were brought as farmers. to all my carribean brothers and sister we indians from fiji send our love.
same love we send from surinam and holland. Hamara pyar aap tak pehoenche
kaise tu loogh oohan pahoonchele, dour eek yland par.
@@rubengheraw1 Aur hum bhi Hindustan se hamare dono bhaiyon ko pyaar bhejte hain
Cindy Singh I met a Fiji Indian doctor here in the USA where we both live. He went to India to study Medicine and he is fluent in Hindi. I speak a few words since we lost our language in the Caribbean. He traced his roots back to Bihar and UP. My ancestors came from Bengal. We got along great. Common experiences. But both of us were very happy to be American citizens!
@@chieftain5391 hi, nice to meet you! That is fascinating. I think my dads side has bihari roots, while my mums grandfather was Malayalam (Kerala), my husbands surname is naidu, he has full tamil ancestory and speaks fiji style tamil.
World is amazing place.
Very interesting. In life, you will never stop learning.
I agree! I love history!
rickyt11 well said sir, knowledge is only immoratal.
love to read everybody comments, i've heard stories from my grandmother that her mother had a family and lost majority of them i am grateful to be here. i am Indian Guyanese nyc born
@Shiraz Adams england 1st
I am hudustani Indian from Chile
I have relatives in Aruba and Belize. Our communications are much stronger now due to Internet.
Mango curry 🍛 is the Best
wawww, como eta usted amigo. Yo soy una hombre del suriname pero vive en hollanda.
@Sanjay Gurung where do you live coz me and my family are living in peace 😂😂
@Sanjay Gurung South India is he best
What is Hudustani mean ? Iam sorry to sound ignorant but I am just learning of this avenue in the slave trade .
This is so informative and important to know. I did history from Primary School to University. I enjoy knowing about our roots.
Very informative. Thanks to you and your guests for doing this.
Henry Sidambarom (1863-1952) born in Guadeloupe fought for the rights of Indians on the island.
They were granted French citizenship and voting rights at the beginning of the 20th century.
A great man from Guadeloupe.
I find this absolutely interesting! I am the last of 4th or 5th generation born in Guyana. I now live in North America (practically grew up here) Some of my ancestors came from Punjab. I'm guessing the others came from South India. Although I believe I'm 100% Indian, some of my extended family members do look as if they're mixed with other races (Chinese, African, European, probably some natives too) I'm so glad I can learn more of my roots and I have to knowledge now to educate my future children lol 😋
+Annie Annie. Melbourne, Australia. Thanks for sharing this with us. You are very broad minded and like to know your roots. That's good. A saying in French: " Quelqu'un qui ne connait pas son histoire est comme un arbre sans racine" (Translation: One who does not his/her history is like a tree without roots). Unfortunate, vast majority of the Indian diaspora seem not to be interested to know about their roots. My ancestors came to Mauritius as indentures labourers in June 1858 and this 02 November 2016 marks the 182th anniversary of arrival of first batch of indentured labourers in Mauritius from India (Bihar) (02 November 1834).
+Annie. Most likely you're right that some of your relatives may be mixed after four or five generations living in the Caribbean. I myself, am descended from East Indian indentured laborers. My great grandfather was transported to Grenada and one of his sons moved to Trinidad where we were born. We have since moved to Canada, the USA, and the UK. It is very interesting to trace your roots. I have gone back to India twice and worked and taught there so I completed the cycle that my great-grandfather started. In spite of the hardships that he faced he did well for his progeny and I am grateful to him for signing that contract when I look at all the poor people living in India!
Chief Tain That's amazing! You're so lucky you're able to visit India twice. I have never been before but would truly love to visit Punjab and the surrounding northern provinces. Maybe one day I'll go. I also have a lot of extended family all over the world (Guyana, Trinidad, Aruba, United States, England, and {Canada where I live}) I'm also happy that both sides of my ancestors signed the contract. I couldn't imagine being born and living in India. It's very hard for women over there. At least growing up in Guyana until the age of 10 it wasn't so bad. Ever since I've been living in Canada. What part of India did you travel to if you don't mind me asking?
That is correct Annie. Women especially the lower castes from which we descend are treated very poorly by the higher caste Indians. Women who were sent as mates to the Caribbean were usually from the Dalit class unless they were Muslims or daughters of Indian traders.
Chief Tain That's so sad! I really hate the Hindu Caste System! My family is from kshtrasiya and brahim caste but we don't even follow it. My dad married a Muslim woman (mom) so you can see religion/caste system wasn't a big issue in Guyana at the time my parents got married.
This is absolutely fascinating! So much of unspoken history right here. And the panel is so well versed but engaging at the same time!
Cindy Singh.....we have almost the same culture....I am Guyanese an the little that i know about Fiji I am convinced that we are all related somehow....in Malaysia too they have the same history....Love from Guyana,South America...
Why not have one Day which will reflect" Freedom " from both slavery and Indenturship instead of the Divisiveness that is currently in exist..
Simply because why have 1 public holiday when you could have 2.
Creating new nation with human Exodus from other countries ,fact remains, Once you landed, the Masters put control on migrants.Such as huge burden of liabilities, family break-up, to make them financial vulnerable systems.
I like the devisivness. It's nice to celebrate with our own people.
@@matthachireth4976 Bull! Tell you’re own people to STOP selling y’all off!!!
@@tinydancer867 ,Coup , Isn't it !
Thank you all very informative! Big up to all my Caribbeans.
Thank God for the scholars, we deserve more recorded things like this
The Encyclopedia of the Indian Diaspora was publiished in 2006. You may find it in any major Library or Amazon. Very thorough. Was edited by Raj Patel and Jim Reeves. Very comprehensive and deals with peoples of Indian Origin all over the world! There are other books written on the subject as well.
My great great grandparents arrived in Trinidad in 1855 as indentured labourers. Our ancestors suffered hard. But today many of them do ok and a few of my relatives are extremely wealthy and successful
Yes the Indian people a very wealthy people in Trinidad
@@marilynr409 no not all. Many still struggle. Some are middle class.
@Richard Ramfire you are so right, I know some that are millionaires
@@richardramfire3971 .... they are middle class, but the most educated.....⁉️.... the richest person, (millionaire), in Trinidad is an Indian woman..(2022)..
Only because of their hard work and excellent education. Not because anyone “gave” anything to them. A perfect example that we can rise above our dire circumstances and not remain in the victim mentality.
I am not Indian, but my Grandad's people came from Madras, any Tamils in da house 👍👍😍
Tamizhan!!!
So is mine
Vanakam, tamilan malaysia
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Yes a lot of people from Madras.
The Urdu word Quli قلی was a title of Mughal Empire's minister responsible for the transportation of the court. Quli was a senior minister and the confidant of the king. When the King traveled from his castle to another city or to war/battle the Quli was in charge of the transportation of tents, furniture, food, kitchen and the royal family members. This title slowly degraded to the laborers and workers that carried the luggage of travelers in ships, buses and railway stations. This word was pronounced as Cooli by the Europeans. Many people that first took the offer of Europeans for travel and work overseas were the Coolies that were working in the Indian ports. So all Caribbean Indians were called as Coolies.
The word "kooli" is also in the Tamil language meaning "laborer", the term isn't necessarily of Urdu origin. And the first set of Indians brought to the Caribbean (Guyana) were in fact Tamils.
Yes the word kooli occurs in Tirukkral,a Tamil poem The concerned stanza is Arumai udaitenru asaavamai vendam. Muyarchi tan mei varutta kooli tarum @@soundcheck2k7
Let that woman talk 💬 God have mercy on
Aniska shiwram you can take the Indian from India
But you cannot take Chauvinism from them.
Who? What? When? Why? How? Okay
They tried to change me my adoptive parents of the US . I am of Pakistan🇵🇰
@@whowhatwhenwhyhow9265 true that!
Great history here. My great grandfather was from India and migrated to Guyana. I am first generation American. It was great to see how we got here today.
Professor states that there was a "recruiting system" in place but lot of "devious tactics" were used. What can be more devious than making unlettered GIRMITIYAS sign/put thumb impression on a long drawn contract written in ENGLISH, whereby the signatory effectively became a slave.
I came across one such contract in BIHAR MUSEUM, PATNA.
Heal the world.💦🌎🙏🏻🌎💦
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Knowing what ancestors were will be useless at the time of death.
We are all spirit souls, part & parcel of the Supreme Personality of Godhead.
Please understand and love our Father, and then we can love one another as brother & sister.
So glad that the British brought in indentureship... we would be suffering the poverty and rigours of miserable life in India.
Indians in India look upon us West Indians as sons of slaves, to them we are bottom of their caste system.
Trinidad is our home and it is from their that we have spread across the world and enjoy opportunities that we would never have had in India.
The first Indians were brought to Jamaica in 1845 on a ship called the Maidstone, landing in Old Harbour Bay, St. Catherine
That is wrong. The first Indians were brought in 1838 to Guyana. There is a movie about it called 1838
Chief Tain No, you misunderstood. I am not saying that the first Indians to the Caribbean were brought to Jamaica in 1845, just the first Indians to Jamaica. I know Indians were brought to other places in the Caribbean before that.
Thank you. I just did a University course on the subject of the British Raj and the Indian Diaspora. Check the You tube videos and also there is a book called the Encyclopedia of the Indian Diaspora. Heavy reading but full of statistics as to how many Indians were transported to Fiji and other British colonies.
Why are they called Indian?
Yudah El because they're indian... Idk lol, it's like asking why Africans are called africans, why whites are called white
this is amazing indians were brought to Fiji Islands (where i am from) exactly the same way....
How are relations between Indo Fijian and indigenous Fijians?
At present very peaceful. The anti Indian Fijians have been defeated . I hv no time to go into details.Indians are enjoying happy lives.
Sam Singh I am from the Caribbean and recently I found long lost relatively in Fiji. We share the same great great great grandparents. What this is telling me is that my family was split from the very start, my ancestors chose to separate and overtime we all became lost.
holy sam we could be family lol
I have a friend from Fiji he is Indian. It’s the same like in my country Malaysia
Incredibly informative
Like many Afro-Caribbeans, specifically Jamaicans I was taught to be ashamed of my Eastern Indian ancestry because they chose to be slaves. I am now trying to regain that part of my ancestry and the truth about their history, rather than the myth that they wanted to be under the white colonizers and that we do not need to hide this part of our ancestry
Many of the people in Fiji and the Caribbean came from the same parts of India i.e. Bihar, UP and Bengal. My great grandfather came from Bengal and left from Calcutta. he left voluntarily from what I gather. He was the younger son of peasant farmes and his older brother would have inherited everything. So his father encourageed him to seek a new life for himself. Worked out great. Wrote a story about him which is about to be published.
Hi sir , can I have your email for contact
Gratitude to the interviewees for their knowledge of Indian indentureship history. Much thanks to all concerned.
Very nice information... Love from india❤🇮🇳. I was not awair about this history before. I am feeling sad that they don't come back
This is very interesting discussion, but my great grandmother was a East Indian who came from Guyana to Jamaica, I disagree with Mala as I see all Jamaican as Jamaican not Indian or Black Jamaican. I was thought this anyway as my grand mother marry a Black person my grandpa. It was a enlightening discussion overall.
My great grandfather was an East Indian who moved from Jamaica to Cuba, name was Thomas Erskine, what was your great grandmother's name?
My dad told she was Ucilda Rajindra Singh but everybody call her Cilda and my grandma her daughter Cilda lachmi Johnson. I hope I spell there name right. My dad only have one picture but everyone look Indian only my dad look biracial.
but rajindra singh is male names in india...is very common male name in india nowadays too...
I don't know much about India. I know about the name she have ,and we call her Rajvie.
ok...rajvei is a female name here...
Thank you for the great insight...about my father's background.
You put the right wording, internship, intentions of family break-up.
That's why Trinidad and Tobago has some Indian foods
And african
Todd Maek ?
Trinidad is one of two countries in the Caribbean where there are more people of Indian descent than of African. The other is Guyana.
Guyana as well.
@@chieftain5391 u forget about Suriname it's the other colony that was allowed to keep there hindustani culture unlike Guyana and Trinidad that was forced to change by British.
East indian population in Guadeloupe were estimated at 60.000 in 1980 !
tiracoon75 tell me more about that
My great grandmother was brought from Madras, to the Caribbean. It has been passed down through family lore that she often sat on the house step, looking at the sea, and telling who ever would listen, that one day she was going to swim across the sea, and get back to Madras. My eldest brother grew up around her and often mentions how much she missed Madras.
I can see some serious hate comments from.the English. I live in North Wales and can assure you how the Welsh feel about the English brutality suppressing the Welsh language in Wales until 1960!! Not so now, we are all one, English have been the most remorseful and for that, it shows the greatness of the current generation
Sad to hear such a story. A sizeable minority of south Indians (Tamils, Telugus & Malayalees) were brought to Trinidad and Guyana. In fact, the first set of Indians to the Caribbean were Madras people sent to Guyana (primarily Tamils); when the Tamils realized that they were tricked, they rebelled against the British, which is why the British decided to pull workers from the northeast of India. Tamil Nadu or "Madras" as your great grandmother knew it was rice paddy fields, coconut trees, banana trees, colorful temples and smiling faces. It's sad what the colonialists did to the innocent.
In Suriname we are called Hindustani since all East Indians migrated from Mother India.we speak Hindustani and retain our religions.We have families and cousins in Guyana which is just beside us.Guyana and Trinidad loose some of the Hindi due to the British
Dave Persaud
Damn ! I has no idea that I had my long lost cousins living in Suriname ! Namaste my dear brother :)
Also remember, if you can proove your Indian ancestry, you can get an OCI card from the Indian government with which you can gain life long visa free entry to your motherland anytime ! You're not alone. There are 1.3 billion of us overall in this world & being an Indian comes with its own perks ;)
Dave Persaud I find that Surinamese people are very religious and superstitious. My grandma was born and raised there, then moved to Guyana after when she married. I would definitely say her mentality and behaviour is different than that which I saw in Guyana.
You know you must be able to prove that your parents or grandparents were born in India, and not too many of these indians left India with a birth certificate. I personally view this OIC card thing as a cash grab by the indian government. I have an Indian colleague who was born in Uganda but his parents from Punjab did not have any birth certificates from India and that was enough grounds for him not to qualify for an OIC card.
G M , what is an OIC card?
Geen hindoestanen maar hebrews.
I am a three generation from a mother that is Caribbean and that of Native Indian decent. My dad is mixed with white and black.
I being of Indian descent also being adopted and not exposed to a large % of my culture growing up in rural US, now in my 40's I am just now finding out about this" indentured servants" aka slavery in my culture. I knew the Britsh ruled India for awhile treating us like garbage but this is eye opening to me i had no idea we were used as replacement for the African forced labor ,the funny part is that I have always been drawn to learning more of the slave trade and slaves themselves on a psychological & and am not sure why that is as my upbringing was not one to talk of the past slavery in American history.I wish to one day go back to India and visit the orphanage , hospital & town i came from so learning of the history in India gives me an even greater curiosity,motivation and gratitude for that day of fjnally discovering my roots .I was told I was East Indian but really am not sure what that means as Mumbai my birthplace is located in the South .Thank u again I REALLY appreciate & am greatful for ur sharing this .🤓🙏
Excellent program and very well educated and calculated expert comments by each participant. really impressive!!
i always wondered why people very similar to me living in west indies,now i understood.love from india brothers....
we love you too
Don't love too much cause we fight allot in nyc
@@dharmakissoon Yes but we are different people, we don't want fight or hatred
Very proud to say my fellow Indians are all over d planet..thank god
Hail to you Sir excellent video to show our roots we should have this video shown all over the Caribbean.
Thank you ! Part 2 is there to watch what do you think ?
A total surprise for me!
This means there are millions of Indians living in Caribbean islands.
Love and well wishes to all caribbean Indians.
Very interesting ye learn something new every day, I want to visit Trinidad one of these days 💜💜💜💜blessings from Ireland 🇮🇪🇮🇪🇮🇪🇮🇪🇮🇪
Very happy you learnt something. .I would like to know about your life in Ireland. ..I had a friend from there once but she went back to Ireland after a school bus accident killed several of her siblings in 1988...and I never saw her again...I remember her sometimes. ..all i know is she was from Derry county and her name was Kathy Deenihan. ..or maybe Cathy Deenihan. ..I don't remember exactly how her first name was spelt. ..she had lived with her aunt in New York...I wish I could see her some day...
Hello from trinidad cant wait for u to come
Keep your white ass in Irland
Éilísh S whenever your ready
@fenrir This coming from a first world garbage 🗑️ 😂
I’m Trinidadian of African-Spanish-Arawak decent and I’ll tell you one thing, them Indo Trinidadians took Indian food to another level, one Chicken Roti with tamarind and extra pepper please..
I find this fascinating, to learn the stories of Indians going to unknown lands, while not as slaves, still with some hardships involved. I am the first gen Indian to come to US under very different circumstances, from a educated upper middle class to US for higher studies/job where I have prospered. About 100 to 200 years from now, I wonder how my descendants will look at the Indian arrivals to US.
Very informative let’s have more of these topics
Truly wished the host allowed the respected persons to answer the questions without interrupting.
Thanks for your comments. He acknowledge his interrupting-interview style in this show and has since gotten better in allowing guests to complete their thoughts.
CaribNation TV I am certain there was growth post this interview. May I ask, were there any other interviews pertaining to this topic? It would be interesting to see or hear any new or updated information.
I am from Suriname, my maternal grand parents who were from India travelled from Barbados to Suriname my paternal grandparents travelled by SS Sutlej to Suriname. Some time ago I read an article of the Sutlej dropping off emigrants in Fiji. I am amazed that the hindi spoken in Suriname is more or less the same as spoken in Fiji. My interest in indian girmityas peaked after reading Sea of poppies by Amitav Ghosh.
Mijn opa kwam ook met de ss sutlej naar suriname rond de eeuw wisseing
@@rubengheraw1 Misschien op dezelfde schip wat was de aankomstdatum?
Paul asked the interesting question: “Why do East Indians celebrate Indian Arrival Day while Africans honour the end of slavery?” He didn’t get a clear answer. It is easy to understand why Africans would celebrate Emancipation: physical, social, political, and cultural freedom. Moving from slavery to virtual freedom deserves huge celebration. Indians on the other hand, couldn’t celebrate end of indentureship in 1917 because by that time, indentureship had conferred on the great many destitute Indians who arrived in British Guiana considerable economic, social, and political success. Indentureship, in retrospect for these Indians, was a lucky break! Why celebrate its end? Much better was to celebrate its beginning - Arrival Day. And in this simple contrast in the way the two races celebrated their colonial plantation experiences, one can comprehend the great disparity between the operation of slavery and indentureship.
Indentureship created an opportunity for the transplanted Indian. Much more than they would have had in their native country with the rigid and intlerant caste system. That is why Indian arrival day is celebrated. Most of the Indians volunteered to come to the Indies but the black slaves were sold by the Arabs to the British who brought them to the Americas!
The Indos say "we weren't slaves, you Afros were"! We're better than you! Ha! My father was a Rajput from (then) Rajputana. When the Irish overseer tried to use whips on them like they did on the Afro slaves, he and other indentured Indos rioted! F'ing sh*t, not to be tolerated! He said he had been tricked by Indian recruiters! He had to sell his gold bracelets, which signified he came from a wealthy landowning family, in order to buy food aboard ship! Afro slaves rebelled before the American recession from Britain. Before Haiti as well, I understand!
@@lloyddettering2975
I knew a girl from Guyana who told me the Indians keep their distance from the blacks even today. They lived in separate parts of town from each other.
(Then again, neither Indians nor blacks can tolerate Caucasians.) I'm not a kid anymore, and as I grow older it seems sad that I'm learning about "skin disease', and how the color of my skin makes me hated, despised and the object of exploitation. I never grew up hating anyone for the color of their skin, and it is just so ignorant.
Heal the world 🙏🏻💦🌎💦🙏🏻
@@tulayamalavenapi4028 Peace unto you!
Well look at it for both african and indian continent today, still over populated today, though they both suffered they came to a new land and looking back i am glad my ancestors made the move cz folks are still trying to move out of Africa and India today...
This was a rare tv show with lots of insight into unrecorded history. More of these need to be made.
Great video but Correction: Not every "Black" person who are the Caribbean are African, most are 'West Indians' with no African Blood (no trans Atlantic relation) - they always been living in this region. Careful with labeling people based on their skin complexion
Most Caribbean are actually mixed. Not purely African or Indian.
There are pure Africans (Like in Haiti) and Pure Indians (Like in Guyana and Trinidad). However, most Caribbean people are mixed with both and other races
I WISH YOU HAPPY DEWALI. aap ko dewali ki hardik subh kam naye.
Well my GF sort of resembles Rihanna and she's been mistaken for being African-American all of the time. She's of East Indian descent. She's Trini and has always had this problem in the United States. When I first dated her, we ate Indian dishes and I knew she wasn't African-American. I'm Caribbean myself (being Bahamian) and have grown up with East Indian Caribbeans. Lots of black men like myself are mating with beautiful East Indian women in the US, Caribbeans and South America because they have culture, femininity and roots. Smart black men understand that is the key to a healthy relationship.
@Balochi boy well said 👏👏👏 my brother is a "Dougla" 😍😍😍😍
She’s probably dougla
@Shazzad Afridi that’s a dam lye
@ e-live and you are saying African females are not feminine,cultured or beautiful. No wonder some are so angry with men in their community.
@Balochi boy I don't get upset about that.
Love u Indians in west Indies. We indians love you all. Keep the connection
It is infuriating to see the female doctor get less speaking time and to be interrupted over and over again. It's obvious that he is not concerned with the west indian woman and how east indian migration for women have shaped identities and lives.
This was such a great discussion, however, the moderator kept cutting off the panelists! Let's be mindful to give folks the opportunity to respond appropriately in this important conversation! ✌🏽
I know I don’t have African in my dna but I’ve always felt strongly connected to Caribbean culture. Not sure why but I think because of the food, music and some of the fashions. Mostly because of the vibe I get
Thank God for the advancement of technology that we can Learn from the researchers whose ancestors suffered adversely and today they can share this information and enlightenment. Blessings. OmNamaste
Interesting, the host on the other hand sounds like he want to beat these people up talking
Ikr he's not a good host at all
Thanks so much for this missing part of my history explained clearly and simply.
Most of the East Indians came from Bihar and Bengal, the rest from uttar pardesh and what we know today as jharkand
+Navin - Sacred Plants Really, thanks for the info
you're welcome! even think about it....the language the east indian Trinis speak is called Bhojpuri, the same language that the people from Bihar speak.
+Navin - Sacred Plants I'm partially descended from East Indian immigrants to Jamaica. The only thing is my great great grandmother, who was born in Jamaica to Indian Immigrants, had an anglo-sounding last name, Farley, so where does that comes from?
probably through the amount of hindu-christian converts that the british influenced, in the Bengal Kolkata area
+Sacred Plants I have an update on that. Through a family history website I researched I found out her name was actually Catherine Rose Ann Wilson and she was born in 1864 in a village called Dinapore in what was then West Bengal, but today is considered part of Bihar! My great great grandfather John Cameron was born in Jamaica to immigrants from Dum Dum, Kolkata, could they have been Anglo-Indian names?
Loving this one thanks for sharing very important information giving thanks blessed love to all knowledge is power hopefully everyone pays attention keep up the good work 🙏🙏🙏🇯🇲🇯🇲🇯🇲💪💪💪
Can you do a story of Indians in South Africa... Cause I just found out last year that there alot of Indians in the Caribbeans and from my research I can see the Indians of the Caribbeans and South African Indians lead same cultures same as we forgot our mother tounge but I spoke to this guy on Facebook from Guyanese he didn't know of Indians in South Africa
We in South Africa have an institute where our mother tongue, priesthood, culture is taught. Schools also teach hindi, tamil and arabic
We also have hindi radio station Hindvani. You can tune in from anywhere in the world.
My course work on Indian Indentureship brought me here but I am glad to learn all this new information.
Glad to hear it!
There were 40 strikes in the period 1873-1916 in Suriname. Some plantations directors were even killed for exploitation. 7 strikes were in the first year: 1873. See works Dr. Radjinder Bhagwanbali.
Damn the meddlesome host. Dude, do you know when or how to let a conversation flow?
In Guyana!They Called us East Indians! But In Cricket They Called us West Indians! Ask Rohan Kanhai and Alvin Kallicharan!
Winston Bachan That's because the West indies cricket side is a mixture of people's from different Caribbean countries which are all considered as West Indian countries
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Darline Williams 😂😂😂
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I used to communicate by post to friends in Trinidad, no internet those days, and I used to write on the envelope their address this way.......Port Of Spainm Trinidad, West Indies. I never knew why until I watched this video. I see here that it has to do with the East Indians and West indians who were the black afrocaribbeans. Very interesting.
Winston Bachan yup ! Like dah guy said the British gave us Indian the title "Coolies". That's True! Na must cuss cuss; behave uself
Love it. Very informative
Thank you
This was very informative. I'm of Afro-Indian descent in the Caribbean I really needed this info.
@Darline Williams It is out of respect to my mother and my father's parents. Dougla? Ha, I do not subscribe to that degrading western world colonial mindset. And by the way, I am proud to be black as well.
Pseudo religion called Hebrews Israelites believe in that b.s. Youre not those goat herding vagabonds.
@@Icecodes lawdoooooo.....wah de rass is afro-Indian .....me neva here nobody from de Caribbean say that yet ms 😂😂😂😂😂 strupesssssssssssssss 🙄🙄 we say Dougla in GT a person mixed with African + Indian likewise African + Amerindian is called Buffiana.
@Darline Williams In the bible only two groups of people were DISPERSE to the four corners of the world.The Africans (hebrews)and the Elamites, know today as Indians.
When I landed and started working in ozone park area of New York,I saw large numbers of people who look liked me(Indian)I started talking in Hindi but realized they didn’t and they had a different accent,I was very surprised when they said they are not from india ,but Guyana and Trinidad which we never studied in INDIA!!
This was long time ago.
true. This was never taught in India. I experienced the same when I met people in Canada from T&T
Watch on UA-cam : Coolies, how British reinvented slavery. Stop making excuses for the British. I am from India and one of my ancestors was taken to Fiji
Once the period of indenture was over they were just abandoned on a foreign country. They did not pay them to leave, nor did they provide them any means to go back to India.
Actually in Surinam, where I am from, they were given the choice between repatriation or if staying 4 ha of land and a Dfl 100 per head, that would have been enough money to stay afloat for a couple of years. But even with those incentives roughly one third returned to India. But later some returned to Surinam. Interesting fact is that looking through the immigration records some people who came to Suriname their place of birth was Fiji.
my grandfather came from bhojpur, debhiahpur, chliathana
Ruben Gheraw one name is still same other might have district changed
G M they returned bcoz it was more bad conditions in India colonial era was on last ....... but yes after some yrs they might have lived in free india but why they returned back to suriname bcoz they adjusted with carribean world/////// we have half family in India n half in USA so our american Indian members of family if will return they can’t adjust in indian lifestyle while we will go we cannot live in protected society
Fifty percent of the East Indian indentured laborers went back to India with their wages. The other half remained and did extremely well. They got their five acres of land. On one of my trips to India I said Thank God that my ancestors left here in 1858. They would have remained poor-ass in India instead of spreading out as professionals to the UK, Canada and The USA becoming quite wealthy in the process. Trinidad has a lot of rich coolies as they are called there. They are regularly robbed and kidnapped for ransom by blacks.
Wish I could visited back my roots In India.my great grand parents were born there.
Not now...but surely u should
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Say better help /support them.
Many Surinamees from Holland went there in Bihar in the village many Biharis still are very poor.
Wow I always wanted to know my great grandmother is full Jamaica Indian.
Dr Narine teaches GED at Richmond Hill high school in Queens.
Very interesting history alot of information
My great grandfather wanted to go Rangoon in Berma,waiting for ship,a group of persons came to him and told him to accompany them as they too for the destination,but after he boarded the ship and the ship left for Trinidad he came to know,six months voyage,he remained there for sixteen years,he was well versed in deonagri,urdu farsi,h e was associated to supervise work,he was married but no issues at the time of departure from India,he came India to take back family but family members and other villagers did not allow h to go back to Trinidad. and he reconcile himself to be here
ke back family members there as he occupied big chunk of land thete
narine talking the truth.. how they intentionally broke up the enslaved peoples family, but the indentured slaves were allowed to keep their families intact, with their customs and values
I am really interested in your history, many many Indian people from Caribbean have asked me if I am half Indian the answer is I don't know. Listening to what as been said by your panel of professors it would not surprise me if I am half Indian. My father hair was silky and soft, his mother my grandmother look very Indian, but I never got the chance to hold any form of conversation with her. Thank you for educating us I appreciate and willing to understanding the history. Let us be educated.