I randomly came across you guys 2 days ago with the fox blind test and now this has become part of my routine looking for the new review of the day. Very Entertaining guys!
I went Icon Stage 9 primarily because it was a complete (brainless) solution w/leafs and UCAs. I’ve been so pleased with it I wouldn’t change it for any price. Firm it up when loaded and on road. Soften it up at air down and hitting dirt. Makes my heavy taco ride like a dream. Love this series - keep it up.
I have Icons, front and rear, but I went with SPC upper control arms. The bushings in BOTH UCAs already have play in them after 5000 miles.... Needless to say I'm very disappointed and am not even interested in replacing them. Would you guys recommend Icon UCAs??
@@patrickshoemaker6047 I went with the iCon Billet admittedly for looks but that said I haven’t had any issue. Probably at about the same ie 5k mil - so still young but yeah, been solid for me.
@WheelEveryWeekend I’ve been running a set of 8112s and 8100 smooth body’s since November so probably a tad less than 8k miles on them. Are you able to tune these for me if I could take them off and send to you? If so what’s your turn around time normally as it’s my daily driver. I could buy a set of 5100s to use until I get them back
I wish I had this series a couple years ago when i was lookin everywhere for reviews, knowing i didnt need the best of the best to get by for my taco. Went with the Icon stage 3 for the easy complete install and havent looked back. I would def recommend them, thanks for the vid.
The music is TOO LOUD when they are in the garage towards the end of the video. It's distracting when they are describing the stocks. You can barely hear Braeden over the music. 🤷🏽♂️
Very curious to see the last 2! I’m running 8112s on 600# springs and JBA UCAs with 8100 smooth body’s in the rear at the moment on icon rxt stage 2 and archive flip kit and bumps 33” Toyo OC AT3s. TRD Pro front skid and RCI steel under the belly
I really like the Bilstein 6112 front and Bilstein 5100 on my 2021 Tacoma TRD 4X4. On my very first off road adventure the front Bilstein 4600 shock bend on the lower part of the shock. I was shocked to see that happen on a TRD 4X4 OFFROAD model truck. The 6112 are very good on the front suspension of the Tacoma.
Gotta test some ADS next, I threw some of their bypasses in as secondaries in the front of my 4runner. Running fox bypasses in the rear and fox coilovers up front, I've pulled those foxes apart and revalved them a few times though. Once you start taking shocks apart and tuning them yourself i feel like it really comes down to what you can find parts for the easiest. Also what are the people you tune with running and know how to tune.
Thanks a lot for the video. Would be lovely to see how they are performing on the ramp, what the actual droop with each set compare to stock, especially because all of them have different length in total.
Would love to see this repeated with 2.0s. I have heard the foxes run soft in 2.0 compared to other brands (Im looking at f150s). But this has been super informative, I looked at the fox 2.5 but do not want stiff shocks for dirt road riding
Hooray! Didn't make a total mistake getting these used and rebuilding them lol. Fwiw, add Apache Offroad AX2s to budget setups? Dobis, Apache, Ironman, OEM variants (Tundra on Taco etc, Bilstein, Freedom OffRoad, Rough Country, used TRD Pro etc
My Bilstein 5100s have a really tight jitter at speed on anything other than smooth pavement, but they handle decently, especially with tight cornering, they're competent in the sandhills, and my wife hates them so she stopped driving my truck all the time (she loved the stock Hitachi shocks for grocery runs..)
This has been very helpful because i do a lot of the slow offroading. Roads are in the forest with creeks, big dips, rocks etc. I need something better that the current bilstein.
need to round up the whole series in and easy to review format 1-10 scale and rank them all according to your blind tests. Would be way more helpful than the drawn out series. or at least do this when you are done please thanks
So when you add preload to the front to raise say 2inch... i need to change the spring rate to balance the valving of stock tune? Do i go more or less ?
I think your levels on the music are too high to the point that it's getting in the way of the guys talking. There were several points in the video where I couldn't hear key points being made and had to go back and turn captions on.
We actually had a lot of audio issues with this specific video, some of our mics stopped working and we didn't notice until it was too late. The other videos are better. Sorry about that.
What size were your tires during all these tests? I am curious if you guys got any rubbing with any of the different shock variants with whatever size tire you were using.
I’m by no means an authority on the subject but after you install a new set of shocks shouldn’t you do a wheel alignment? Or is it only if you change the UCA? If so aren’t these results a little skewed? Just asking for a friend 😊
Your alignment changes mostly because of lift. We didn't really change lift height between shocks, so the alignment stayed more or less the same. Also, you can get alignment pretty close just with a measuring tape and some patience. Close enough for a test like this
@@OverlandOutfitters roger doger. I’m in the market for a set for my 18 4runner so this is a good series. I was leaning toward Elka’s for a number of reasons.
@@lukestoyz they said at the beginning that they couldn’t get the one with reservoir shipped in time. Regardless, it out performed the first two. I have the reservoir ones, just wanted to know what they would’ve said comparing with and without
@@lukestoyz in the series intro video they explained they couldn’t get the reservoirs in time for the review & mentioned that was something to take into consideration
Really wishing I had seen this video before dropping almost $5k on Fox 2.5s and Deavers on my Tacoma hahahaha. I can attest to the harsh small bump sensitivity on the Fox
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I randomly came across you guys 2 days ago with the fox blind test and now this has become part of my routine looking for the new review of the day. Very Entertaining guys!
I went Icon Stage 9 primarily because it was a complete (brainless) solution w/leafs and UCAs. I’ve been so pleased with it I wouldn’t change it for any price. Firm it up when loaded and on road. Soften it up at air down and hitting dirt. Makes my heavy taco ride like a dream. Love this series - keep it up.
I just got stage 10 icons. Installing in a week glad I saw your comment 🤘🏼🤘🏼🤘🏼
@@CaydenFlowers6969696969 I bet you love it. I waited forever furring covid. Love the RXT pack and the shocks on my build.
I have Icons, front and rear, but I went with SPC upper control arms. The bushings in BOTH UCAs already have play in them after 5000 miles.... Needless to say I'm very disappointed and am not even interested in replacing them. Would you guys recommend Icon UCAs??
@@patrickshoemaker6047 I went with the iCon Billet admittedly for looks but that said I haven’t had any issue. Probably at about the same ie 5k mil - so still young but yeah, been solid for me.
@@waxifari5528why not go stage 10?
Soooooo where can we buy these used shocks 😅
This was a really good one, i had no idea these were IFP shocks! For the price i was very impressed with them.
@WheelEveryWeekend I’ve been running a set of 8112s and 8100 smooth body’s since November so probably a tad less than 8k miles on them. Are you able to tune these for me if I could take them off and send to you? If so what’s your turn around time normally as it’s my daily driver. I could buy a set of 5100s to use until I get them back
So do you guys think Icon would have been the best if you had the external reservoir versions?
I ran bilstien 5100s for 10yrs. Now running kings 2.5 remote resi. And love them.
thank you for this series... great idea, great execution. helping slim my choices down
I wish I had this series a couple years ago when i was lookin everywhere for reviews, knowing i didnt need the best of the best to get by for my taco. Went with the Icon stage 3 for the easy complete install and havent looked back. I would def recommend them, thanks for the vid.
This one has the best camera work so far, incredible content. Maybe it’s the lighting
patiently waiting on the bilstein review!
after these tests, it would be cool to see if the adjuster knobs really make a difference or not
The music is TOO LOUD when they are in the garage towards the end of the video. It's distracting when they are describing the stocks. You can barely hear Braeden over the music. 🤷🏽♂️
Tried to fix that before it came out but ran out of time. We had a lot of audio issues on this specific video
Excellent work!! Thank you so much!! This video taught me so much!!!!
Very curious to see the last 2! I’m running 8112s on 600# springs and JBA UCAs with 8100 smooth body’s in the rear at the moment on icon rxt stage 2 and archive flip kit and bumps 33” Toyo OC AT3s. TRD Pro front skid and RCI steel under the belly
My rock crawlers have had 5100s on them. When they said if all you are doing is crawling 3mph buy the cheapest shocks it's really so true.
Love this series! I hope Y'all can keep expanding on these and add the Dobinsons MRR and maybe the Bilstein 8112 which doesn't get much attention.
I really like the Bilstein 6112 front and Bilstein 5100 on my 2021 Tacoma TRD 4X4.
On my very first off road adventure the front Bilstein 4600 shock bend on the lower part of the shock. I was shocked to see that happen on a TRD 4X4 OFFROAD model truck.
The 6112 are very good on the front suspension of the Tacoma.
Gotta test some ADS next, I threw some of their bypasses in as secondaries in the front of my 4runner. Running fox bypasses in the rear and fox coilovers up front, I've pulled those foxes apart and revalved them a few times though. Once you start taking shocks apart and tuning them yourself i feel like it really comes down to what you can find parts for the easiest. Also what are the people you tune with running and know how to tune.
Thanks a lot for the video. Would be lovely to see how they are performing on the ramp, what the actual droop with each set compare to stock, especially because all of them have different length in total.
Would love to see this repeated with 2.0s. I have heard the foxes run soft in 2.0 compared to other brands (Im looking at f150s). But this has been super informative, I looked at the fox 2.5 but do not want stiff shocks for dirt road riding
Will the 6112s be included ?
Hooray! Didn't make a total mistake getting these used and rebuilding them lol.
Fwiw, add Apache Offroad AX2s to budget setups? Dobis, Apache, Ironman, OEM variants (Tundra on Taco etc, Bilstein, Freedom OffRoad, Rough Country, used TRD Pro etc
How would these compare to bilstein 6112s ?
Could you guys posts the SKU number from Icons site or the SKU for the 4 runners version of these?
Do you guys have any experience with the “factory” Toyota Trd 2 inch lift that the dealership offers?
I understand the dssv multimatic shocks are gm shock but id be curious to see what you guys had to say about them in comparison.
I have icons 2.5 stage 3 on my tacoma and I love them there pretty sweet
What is the ICON part number for the kit and/or part list that was installed ?
Could you tell me what number of rubber bands you are using and the rim? Thanks
My Bilstein 5100s have a really tight jitter at speed on anything other than smooth pavement, but they handle decently, especially with tight cornering, they're competent in the sandhills, and my wife hates them so she stopped driving my truck all the time (she loved the stock Hitachi shocks for grocery runs..)
Love the series...good job. Which front and back icon shocks were tested? Thks
Looks like front 2.5 non res with icon 2.5 rxt rear
This whole "video a day on one topic" idea is very nice.
This has been very helpful because i do a lot of the slow offroading. Roads are in the forest with creeks, big dips, rocks etc. I need something better that the current bilstein.
Found a pair of ifp for my rig used for 600$ but they look oxidized. Worth it?
Fox and Bilstein also have offset shaft mounts in their line.
Thanks for doing this guys. Subbed
Curious…what tire and tire size was used for the testing?
They were brand new 285/70r17 KO2s
What handles better on road, the factor shocks or Fox, or something else?
What radio mount is that?
Thanks for the review. But the fronts shocks should of had resi like the others. How can you compare with less oil capacity? What about fade?
We tried but couldn't get them in time. Rear has resi
I’m looking to upgrading the suspension on mine. Does anyone know the specific icon shocks they’re using?
need to round up the whole series in and easy to review format 1-10 scale and rank them all according to your blind tests. Would be way more helpful than the drawn out series. or at least do this when you are done please thanks
What are the spring rates of each?
600#
Great content guys! 10/10
So when you add preload to the front to raise say 2inch... i need to change the spring rate to balance the valving of stock tune? Do i go more or less ?
Only if you have added a lot of weight to the front. If not, stick with 600s
At 6:41, I have the very same offset on my wheels.
I think your levels on the music are too high to the point that it's getting in the way of the guys talking. There were several points in the video where I couldn't hear key points being made and had to go back and turn captions on.
We actually had a lot of audio issues with this specific video, some of our mics stopped working and we didn't notice until it was too late. The other videos are better. Sorry about that.
What wheels are those?
What size were your tires during all these tests? I am curious if you guys got any rubbing with any of the different shock variants with whatever size tire you were using.
285/70r17 on method 0-offsets. They rubbed a lot. Plastic liner delete, pinch weld, and CMC required for this kind of activity.
I’m by no means an authority on the subject but after you install a new set of shocks shouldn’t you do a wheel alignment? Or is it only if you change the UCA? If so aren’t these results a little skewed? Just asking for a friend 😊
Your alignment changes mostly because of lift. We didn't really change lift height between shocks, so the alignment stayed more or less the same. Also, you can get alignment pretty close just with a measuring tape and some patience. Close enough for a test like this
@@OverlandOutfitters roger doger. I’m in the market for a set for my 18 4runner so this is a good series. I was leaning toward Elka’s for a number of reasons.
Thanks for putting this together. Stock rear leafs?
Just a Deaver add-a-leaf
Love the videos but the music is super distracting
Anyone have the link to buy these shocks?
Feel free to shoot us an email and we can help out! Info@overlandoutfitters.ca
hi guys! where is this test track located!
Ocotillo wells!
What size tires are on the test Tacoma?
285/70r17
@@justinvanbibber6234
Thanks
WHAT SIZE TIRE
What tire pressure are you running for the test?
35psi onroad, 18psi offroad
@@OverlandOutfitters killer, thanks
The background music is so loud I can barely understand some of what you guys are saying at the end of the video.
Test iranman pro cell foam
Was that a modelo can😂
BILSTEIN 8112....PLEASE!!!😊
Please do it again but with entry level shocks like ome, dobinsons, ironman, rough country, Bilstein 5000
And, the Icon's without the reservoirs.
Love my icons! I wonder how different they are from having the reservoir ones
Not comparable to the other shocks with resi’s. At high speed due to fade. They should have been the same as the others.
@@lukestoyz they said at the beginning that they couldn’t get the one with reservoir shipped in time. Regardless, it out performed the first two. I have the reservoir ones, just wanted to know what they would’ve said comparing with and without
@@lukestoyz in the series intro video they explained they couldn’t get the reservoirs in time for the review & mentioned that was something to take into consideration
You will have to run them all again but with the vehicle fully loaded “overlander style”.
Really wishing I had seen this video before dropping almost $5k on Fox 2.5s and Deavers on my Tacoma hahahaha. I can attest to the harsh small bump sensitivity on the Fox
Send them to us or @wheeleveryweekend and we can get them tuned and running awesome for you 👍
Scam @@OverlandOutfitters
Keep up the good work #trailboss
I couldn’t detect any bias whatsoever 😅
Saving the best for last?!…
Dam this music is too loud
Leaky icons..