Little outside your usual demographic, I’m a 53 year old grandmother. I also watched MMM in his earlier videos but he quickly went off the rails. It’s offensive to me as a csa survivor when he does his Dr Claw voice to add false drama to such a traumatic subject. Imagine your therapist starting a session with that voice! Most csa survivors want a hero, a savior since they didn’t have one when they were most vulnerable. His audience is dangerously vulnerable to his cult leader personality. I think you’re brave to put yourself in their sights.
i hope you find the peace/justice/whatever you need and im so sorry that there are people like this out there who would take advantage of something like that. you are important and your story is important, it doesnt deserve to be fictionalized and sensationalized like this.
Isn't it an actual cult tactic to tell members that every bit of criticism towards their group or leader, is just made up by their "enemy" to muddy the water on who's right or wrong?
What upsets me the most is that ALL these creators gave him the time of day to cover all his stories and most of them offering him great advice… and when they offer him criticism he doesn’t like he immediately turns on them… calls them names … sicks his audience on them and threatens to sue some of them
He also pretends like no one helped him afterwards. He’s got like 10 creators, some of which are even his friends like Muta trying to give him actual legitimate advice, and he goes to disregard it, acts the same way he’s always acted and turn around and accuse people like Muta for not helping is just so delusional. At this point he just needs to come out and admit he doesn’t want actual help and advice, he just wants people to agree with him
So yeah, if someone criticises his work he is automatically a child molester, a potential predator etc. Caleb was right, he is a manchild, Leafy like "no u" kid mentality
Because he doesn't care about any of these people. Not the victims, not the kids and not his fellow content creators. He cares only about the clout, attention and money he's getting. It's sad but the *best case* scenario here is he's had a mental break and is currently spiraling. The alternative is he's been doing all this damage to the cause *intentionally*
I honestly thought Mamamax wasnt online after the whole "pick a side youtube", honestly not even surprised that his friends never watched Mamamax's PDF file videos because anyone with eyes and ears would start ripping them off after watching any of his hunting videos.
It’s so funny in his recent patreon video, he tried to accuse all these content creators of using cult tactics to build up a fanbase when he himself is the one who seems the most in common with a cult. From what I’ve seen it seems like he read one book on cult and suddenly he sees cults everywhere and believes he’s a cult expert now.
@@squishprincei mean, look at his original content before he rebranded. He’s always been like this, he just pretends he hates who he was then as if he isnt the exact same person now to boost his new content
As of 21-01-2024 Mamamax has removed all videos regarding the situation on CJD. Man, I never thought I'd actually say that a person I once respected would be such a blatant attention grabbing idiot.
exactly. the whole point of death note is that light's intentions become more twisted and morally ambiguous as he slowly turns more insane and bloodthirsty.
@@mrlee3947 I knew it was fake from the beginning. Literally zero of the discord predator catching channels are legit, it's so easy to fake that it's ridiculous. It's even less believable when he presents himself like one of those creepypasta reading channels or true crime channels. How he ever became popular or had people believing he was a hero is beyond me.
As somebody who was SA’d my entire early childhood to the point that it stunted my mental development. That I don’t think I’ll ever truly be normal and able to truly function in society. It’s absolutely disgusting he’s using SA survivors as a pedestal to help perpetuate his main character syndrome.
This is how I felt. I tried to watch one of his videos once and had to turn it off because it was so extremely physically cringey how he dramatized an actual terrible reality and made himself a savior makes it feel so trivial and like he’s doing it for sport.
@@milkbathxoxofor something serious like csa affect on mental illness increase and stunted development, his vids gave off more anxiety like the creepy hoollywood productions I cringed so bad in 2017 on his content
tbh it's hard to trust anyone that gains notoriety from covering SA, CSA or R victims, like it needs to be covered but it's hard not feeling like they're befitting off others pain
So Max is catering to a group of troubled people, lying about how he can, will, and has benefitted them, using them as pawns for his own personal benefit, pretending to be a caring hero against an unjust system-You know, I think there's a name for that. Like a leader of something. Like a *something* leader, you know? 🤔
It's actually a perfect example and demonstration worthy of using as a case study for how a grandiose narcissist operates and manipulates. Edit to add: Look up the acronym, "DARVO" if you'd like more insight into the tactics used by narcissists. It's like reading through the introductory chapter of their playbook.
The problem was he was always like this, it’s just his most recent stunt he went after Charlie (and lots of other beloved figures) so more people pushed back and scrutinized his work which lead to his downfall but the signs of him being unhinged, delusional and someone with a saviour complex & main character syndrome was always there. When he did his first two campaigns against youtube and implied how they’re “helping” predators by taking down one of his videos for breaking TOS and larping like some batman/jigsaw figure, people should’ve already raised the red flag for him but because it was against youtube which is popular to hate on, and the fact he’s hiding behind “I’m HeLpInG ThE KiDs” everyone just conveniently overlooked the red flags.
It's so ironic too considering before his whole "predator hunting" scheme, he did a video on an ACTUAL dangerous cult and made fun of them. Now he's literally going the same path (obviously not preforming dangerous acts but preforming the same tatics as other cults do)
@@chanr9531 This exactly! You only really notice these signs after the fact. People tend to let certain things slide if they agree with the other person. It all just perfectly comes together after him being exposed. You really start to see the early problematic signs he had in his videos.
Him saying other creators were somehow inherently IMPLICIT in aiding predators by simply *not talking about it* was crazy. This is the "believe all victims" mentality on STEROIDS!!!!!!!!!!
Man’s completely lost in his own delusions, convincing himself he’s somehow the only person fighting against online predations when there’s so many law enforcement agencies and other organizations doing just that behind the scenes without all the flashy edits and larp.
@@juliesnoot2818 in the world now a days it is hard to believe people with so many people crying wolf I want to believe people are telling the truth and not just simply guilt tripping other into believing them for there own self interest
There has been this little voice in the back of my head that keeps telling me MamaMax's whole shift into pred hunting, and then this Camden situation was just a big ARG, and I'm glad you said it here.
I think the KC thing is probably the most unhinged example itself The fact he doubles back to the disorder to inform us that she is in fact "okay" when she probably isn't in fact "real" is super boggling.
Never heard of him before this. So watched a few of his videos. Old and new. Im sorry no idea why he got so popular. His videos are on the end of being cringy edgy clickbait. I feel a ton of people were watching them but with no one coming in to tell the people watching them that his videos were really bad. Maybe because no one called him out as he would doxx them and scare them in their place of work. Sending emails to family members.
lying, fanfiction role playing, questionable moral judgment.. all things that (unfortunately) fall into the internet’s extremely short memory… going after charlie, however, is the ultimate self destruct
yeah, he tried doing the whole anonymous hacker/batman type voice, but that only works if we don't know your actual identity beforehand. just seems like he was roleplaying, which is fitting
I'm convinced a lot of people get into true crime and ped0-hunting so they have the most awful people to compare themselves to when they get called out for their own unethical or incompetent behavior.
After seeing the leaked "evidence" (which basically reads like just a bunch of Twilight RPG'ers taking a game a bit too seriously, but nothing more) and now MM's reactions, I'm partially convinced that MM and this Camden are just doing this as a public LARP.
A big tell with Max is that he is incapable of not overdramatizing serious situations. With his castle crumbling around him he can't drop this obviously fake character and be sincere, unless being confronted on a live stream. It's pathetic and no one can take him seriously.
The "Leviathans are coming for you" part is from the statements that Spencer had made in their podcast where they talked about alleged threats that Camden made, saying that "Leviathans are coming for you" when he wanted to put pressure on his victims and keep them silent and obedient. Just for anyone curious. I'm assuming it's a reference from the series Supernatural.
Spencer? the woman clearly dating max who is manipulating people and being extremely rude to any fair questions/criticisms, going as far as to criticize OTHER victims? That spencer? The one who admits in her own story she lured girls in?
Max has been using the word 'Leviathans' quite a lot in his videos, I think he thinks it means 'large'. He called IMVU Leviathans and Max was just an individual if they tried to sue him. I just find it weird that Max's words are suddenly coming out of Camdan's mouth.
there's something concerning about people who use "pdf files" as the target of all their fantasy violence. regardless of whether those people actually deserve it, it seems like these mamamax types just want to pick a target that no one will defend so they can indulge in fantasy violence against real people and feel like a big tough vigilante.
Yep, but what makes them go from "concerning" to "pathetic" is the fact that they never actually do anything. They just lie, because they're too lazy or too afraid to actually try to make a difference. And what makes them go from "pathetic" to "despicable" is when they find a way to make money with their lies. Here is where Max...well, lies.
I'm both an ex MMM supporter and CSA survivor, while this all is cultist, we only gave him the credibility in calling out p*dos was because he told us it was real and legit, very few people are sticking by him, he's hurt all of us with this, I'm sorry for my part in helping him get this far
It is a mystery to me how Mamamax got to be friends with so many, what I would consider "respectable", UA-camrs in the first place. A guy that sensationalizes predator hunting and child abuse with cinematic editing and a cringe af voice changer to "entertain" instantly gives me the creeps more than anything.
Just goes to show the power of “his heart is in the right place. At least he’s helping kids” and how far that can get you while shielding you from any criticisms, for bad faith actors even as blatant as Mamamax to take advantage of. The amount of rabid fans in his audience who’d harass anyone who even slightly criticized him and would be called predators or predator defenders for daring to criticize Max’s content/behaviour is scary. Tommy, who was one of the people who was critical of him way before the recent events and a CSA victim himself, was told that he deserved what happened to him as a kid for speaking out against Max.
he also made videos in the past talking ab weird n creepy topics (japan cult n kanye quest) n it put him out in the horror cre8or sphere n got him friends in there
That's easy. Right from the "LeafyIsHere" era, Max had far better film-making skills, and more slick production (even if his style is cheesy, 2007 emo) than 99% of UA-cam. Many UA-camrs are (understandably) nerds for film-making and slick production- That's WHY they ended up UA-camrs; because they're into video production. So when they see a guy making these polished, stylised videos (REGARDLESS of the actual content; I'm just talking about style/technical skills), they respect that, and probably want to get tips, maybe assistance with vids, or collabs with him. I'm guessing that respect for Max's technical skills, as well as the fact that nobody wants to be the one to CRITICIZE the guy who's (supposedly) "taking down the pdf files", meant that NOBODY was looking critically at Max's videos. EVERYONE was incentivised, to just take Max at his word, and assume he was being honest, and competent in his "predator-hunter" role (spoiler; He's neither). Also, it's UA-cam. They let literally ANYONE make a YT channel, and theres no real "rules" (beyond TOS), or peer review, or quality control. Everyone just makes whatever video their audience likes, and has no real reason to check up on the claims, of a (then) popular channel, that everyone respects. UA-camrs are just as dumb and lazy as the rest of us, here in the cheap seats- Unless they have some specific REASON to bother researching the claims a certain channel makes, nobody ever WILL check up on those claims. If you're popular and well-respected, you can get away with sketchy stuff, for a crazy long time, potentially.
That is fake lore, and yes I know vampires are fake, but what I mean is the lore that vampires cant be seen in mirrors is because old time mirrors were either lined with silver or backed with silver, and that is why they couldnt be seen in those mirrors.
My "aunt" is a child abuser that is afraid of consequences. She screams loud enough at them that my own ears hurt. Everybody in my family is stopping me from getting the law involved except my brothers who have recorded evidence. She only adopted the kids she adopted from her cousin because she wanted the benefits meanwhile she pawns off responsibility to everyone else she can. She committed one of them to a mental evaluation despite being the cause of his trauma, she bathes him despite him being like 8. She got rid of me because I said I would rat on her to the dcs. I need to get her in trouble real soon. She is traumatizing those kids and threatened me with a restraining order 😂 She destroyed my ps4 while illegally evicting me. I have mounds of dirt on that whole side of my family. My actual aunt had a son that killed my grandpa while we begged her for days for his ssn to get him committed because he was actually insane. I need to meet real people because my family are all evil people.
@squibbelsmcjohnson I gotta wait until my dad and brother and my cats are out of her house. Then I am gonna let her know the jig is up. He keeps telling me to not tell on her but I 1000% need to. She is pure evil and a boomer almond mom.
people who try to blur the line between fiction and reality and treat real victims like a "profitable topic" but treat fiction like the actual crime are dangerous.
Could never get behind mamamax. His vids always popped up in my feed but I’d struggle to make it through them without cringing at his fake voice, over dramatised editing and kinda aimless video structure. He’s given the same weird vibes illuminaughti and Creepshow did before I also unsubscribed from them. Makes me wonder which other channels that unsettle me will get exposed for one thing or another…
Thanks for putting my comment in your video! Judging by their names, it seems to be some sort of cult-like hierarchy by using titles such as Mama, Auntie, Children, etc... I'm ashamed to have been caught up in the allure; however, I'm a glad to have been pulled out of it to see Max for what he really is: a liar.
It feels like Spencer is his girlfriend and he convinced her to play the victim in one of his movies then got backlash and now they are both doing TERRIBLE damage control.
This is the same thing I was thinking! She apparently came to him with this story 2-3 years ago and now he decides to pick up the story, let her move in with him and push this “investigation” as if it were the most important thing is so weird to me.
This is what i thought too. Once all the facts were exposed. I'm so disappointed with Max. It truly was a cash grab, and at an attempt to put it onto some guy's back. Probaby spencer's ex that she is still angry with for dumping her , or cheating, ect. its really very clear now.
Shes giving him hugs and looks like shes practically living with him. They both use super manipulative language and she criticizes other victims when they dont do what she wants
@@notatrollll I fully agree that in any case she needs real psychological help, especially with what came out today. Im not saying that in an icky bully way, but more a real concern.
As someone who was groomed and was SA'd I felt like I was safe with mamamax and even went to his patreon and subbed to him giving the little money I had. I love how edgy his videos were and the crazy things he got into and felt like he was a safe space. Soon though I started to not have a lot of money and couldn't afford to keep up with his patron and I was shamed by people for not supporting him and even though I was in a shelter and literally had no money. Soon I couldn't afford my own food and my mom had to step in and stop me from continuing to pay for his patreon and I was able to get out of that hole but I felt terrible for months. I felt like I was letting people who where in my same situation down and failing someone who I saw as a hero. I see now though it was just a cult and a place I should've never been in anyway.
@JohanLiebert1 Compare it to a commission, if you will. If we feel someone is doing a wonderful job in their field of work, then we are happy to pay for continued services. Another reason folks pay is because we believe in a cause someone is promoting. In this case, the cause is "justice" when supposedly the law failed. Sadly, this happens often enough that vigilantes will have financial and social support. By paying Max, the folks insured he could continue what they believed was helping others.
It’s so ironic that Mamamax wanted all of these creators to speak on something that he started and “called them to action” and now a lot of these same creators are speaking on how much an unhinged manipulator he is. They did call to action about something he started. Just not in the way that he thought they would.
Nearly every single piece of media I've seen about "fans of the playground" they make a big deal out of the age of the alleged perpetrators often its in the headline, but with this case they never mention Camden's age, they show photos of a guy who looks quite young and lives with his mother, the photos of him and Spencer they look the same age, yeah he might have been abusive (definitely a he said she said situation) but was he actually a "fan of the playground", I'm not convinced its like they've avoided saying how old he is...
Anyone noticed he uses ChatGPT to write all of his comments, tweets, and DMs? There's no way a human exclusively talks like a fishy spam email with that cold clinical wording. It's probably half the reason everyone felt off about shouting out his video in the first place.
@@sofifi43999 if i remembered the context vividly (it was 2-3 years ago), the "pick a side UA-cam" video was about mamamax being silenced or got a strike by UA-cam with a video talking about some predator on IMVU and UA-camrs who were tagged about this situation spoke up about this.
@@dimosguy thanks dude! very apreciated and uh.... sorry that you supported him earlier but it's great that you recognize it was bs? i dunno what to say lol
Dude sounds like the old man from Saw. I am a survivor of DV and SA. Fifteen years ago I almost lost my life to my abuser. I had to face him in court about a year ago bc he stole my identity. Victimizing me all over again and has really set me back. This guy is hurting survivors by doing what he is. My abuser only got six months house arrest at his mommy’s house and a $500 fine. He now has done this to several other women and only gets a smack on the hand. Lying about real stories and fabricating them for views for your own financial gain is vile. We are real people who are struggling with trauma that stays with us for the rest of our lives. Secretly dude gets his rocks off on harmed women. He is dangerous no differently than those he pretends to hunt down. Leave us alone. You’re not a voice for us and stop victimizing us for your own sick pleasure. Just as unhinged as those he despises. Youre no hero.
I was thinking either that or Sweet Tooth from Twisted Metal: Black Also, I'm so sorry you had to go through all that, nobody deserves that kind of pain in their lives.
After watching this as it unfolds, it seems to me like Max genuinely thought he was charismatic and manipulative enough to be a cult leader like Manson or Jim Jones. He really believes he can get anyone to do what he wants. He's so involved with his own narrative that he doesn't understand that Jones, Manson, and people like them targeted specific types of people and steered clear of anyone that wasn't within their victim criteria. He overestimated his own ability to brainwash people.
I'm calling it right now: by the end of the month max is either going to be A) exposed as being friends with several known predators (i.e. TheWhiteBowser) or B) is actually a predator himself and has been projecting the whole time. Option B is honestly the likely outcome IMO
With how he’s acting, I wouldn’t be surprised in the slightest if all of this was projections and he was hiding his own skeletons in the closet. He’s already being investigated by the FBI and apparently his mega upload account was banned because he had some kind of illegal material on it that matched the hashes of documented illegal material in mega upload’s database. Also this was already publicly known that he’s stalked this girl he knew from highschool and posted self harm/suicidal images onto his fb page during his time in the military because of the girl and her boyfriend, leading him to be kicked out of the military. Man’s already so shady and crazy this revelation wouldn’t be surprising at all.
I've been screaming about this jackarse for almost 4 years now, and this is *so* satisfying to watch. I can't stand how he thinks h knows everything. I can't stand how he refuses to take even a basic course in psychology. I can't stand how he uses emotion-bait words to get attention. But before this, if you criticized him, it was "you're one of them". Finally, it's all coming out. Couldn't have happened to a more deserving person.
nobody who makes a big deal out of doing the right thing is actually doing the right thing. nobody claiming to be a hero themselves is one, and nobody making a dramatic viewing spectacle out of doing real justice is actually just.
I was almost groomed once and seeing him treat this as some kind of excuse to act like the internet’s Batman is disgusting also love the pfp puppet combo is great.
Fellow COCSA victim and it really makes me glad I have my current therapist. She told me what allowed me to heal. "Half the people who claim to target perpetrators do it for money, status, or easy access to potential victims. Every part of our society is broken when it comes to CSA, the child isn't. They just have to learn how to find their place again. Their mistrust is valid."
23:54 In regards to NDA's, they actually only needs two signatures (the party disclosing information to the other party and the other party who is not to disclose said information) and be an agreement of non-disclosure (doesn't need to be notarized). However an NDA does require VERY specific wording as to its scope and subject or else it is invalid. So if the scope is too broad or does not concisely describe what it is that should not be disclosed, it is not legally binding/enforceable.
Mamamax's 70% chatgpt nda doesn't specify any sort of damages or a venue of arbitration. Its essentially completely worthless. Even if you broke it, so what?
I think the important part is what you said: when someone comes over claiming they're hunting pedos, you just can't really try to suss out what they're all about. Because if you're trying to dig into a supposed predator hunter, what does it say about you, huh? So yeah, Max, thanks for abusing other people's trust, great job.
"The Chicken from Hotline Miami" his name is Richard, this is such a common fact💀 But yeah, as a long-time HM fan (well duh, my pfp is hyper-realistic Manny Pardo), MM always rubbed me the wrong way. I swear we had a CONSTANT issue of people coming into Hotline Miami fan Discord saying "let's do our own 50 Blessings to boop **insert bad guy group**" way prior - even though the game itself is VERY explicit about vigilantism not being as cool on the closer look - and when Max popped off, I could only let out a deep sigh. This kind of media illiteracy was always a red flag, I'm just surprised that the rabbit hole turned out to be THAT deep.
The moment I heard "Hotline Miami" I felt a shiver as I knew this was gonna show in high detail that media literacy was degrading well best we can do is find it funny
Spencer is probably a ex of "Camden" and dating Max and told stories of "Camden" to get max to get homie arrested. At least how it appears from what everyone has said and the little info about Camden. Spencer gets mad and not sad about hearing about Camden.
If you want to learn about real victims and their assailants and experiences, Unfiltered Stories covers it. It can be too heavy for me to listen to sometimes, but it also reminds me of how different people cope with trauma (some became religious, some forgave, some went on to continue to speak and advocate for victims). It seems like a better and healthier channel in that the victims are real and empowered instead of being treated as clickbait-- there's no egotistical narrative making it about them and production, it's the person getting an uninterrupted chance to talk to the audience.
you mentioning anders just for that one moment actually made me emotional. i'm norwegian, and when it happened it was a tragedy that went majorly unnoticed in the world. to this day people still don't know about it, and hearing a big youtuber i enjoy watching so much know really tugged at my heartstrings. thank you, dude.
@@eandeavoriiiiiif it's Anders Breivik he's a neo-n@zi who killed a lot of people. His first attack was with a car bomb, and the next was a mass sh00ting at a Summer Youth camp. (Sorry for the 00 and @, its so youtube doesn't get mad at me. If you type Norway, Anders then all of it pops up on google).
It was heavily covered here in the UK at least. That day was an absolute... the words 'evil' and 'tragedy' are not enough to describe it. Those poor children, and those that were killed and hurt by the explosion. I don't know how you've all healed so well in Norway after that day. 🤍
Yeah I hope no one over the age of like 14 actually bought into Max’s schtick. It’s so laughably edgy, pretentious and reads like some “critique” of society that’s written by a 14 year old who has no idea how the world works.
I was actually in the livestream about camden jarrard davis that mamamax did. It was clear how brainwashed and delusional his audience and community was. He overdramatized and criminalized someone who has no evidence to be proven a criminal.
I know people like him better than anyone else. He portrays a character of a savior, a listener and a hero for SA victims. He does that to garner a community of victims that trust him with their experiences, because he gets off to stories of children getting SA. He is the kind of person he's "hunting" and listening to victims stories is closest he can get to scratching the itch without doing it himself. Although, i would not put it over a person like that to be using and abusing these victims himself. If you're an SA victim, stay clear of him and people like him.
my best friend's cousin, who was a street over from us, who took advantage of my as a young boy, was 90% like mmmax. he's 100% an abusive manipulative creep.
I used to watch his content. The over dramatized angle felt more like an act rather than what he really was, but one of the more recent videos (I haven't watched any since) felt like he was attacking his audience rather than asking for help. For awhile in my late teens/early 20s, I did the same kind of thing he did. Not really on purpose, but I'd get on chatting apps (trying to push past some social anxiety) and run into men who preyed on children. I'd talk to them just enough to get locations and photos of them and then I'd pass that information onto their local police. It was really rough stuff and I read a lot of things that I kind of regret seeing. So, in a way, I can understand why he's going off the deep end. I remember there was at least one time that he said he enjoyed doing it. That kind of rubbed me wrong, but (if I were to play devil's advocate) I can see how he might have tried to turn the things he was seeing into a positive. That kind of mentality can only last so long though, and before you know it, you can't keep up the facade anymore. I think what we're seeing now (and this is as positive as I can spin this) is extreme burn out. He can't cope with the things he's seen anymore nor can he tolerate that there's more of that stuff out there. All those feelings end up coming out as a scary black and white perspective and anger towards everyone who's "not on his side". I think he needs a significant amount of therapy (heaven knows I did), but he can't admit that this all-or-nothing mentality is detrimental to, not just him, but also the victims he's trying to help. I hope he can see what's going on before it drastically hurts the credibility of the victims he's aligned with. As a side note: if all of his content really was faked, I don't know if I'd be able to properly express the rage and disappointment I'd feel. Why bother fooling us over such a serious topic only to get mad when people don't buy into it?
Saw from another commenter that NDA's mean absolutely nothing if its related to a criminal investigation so signing an NDA would be absolutely pointless unless you wanted false authority.
If people are distorting facts, and manufacturing evidence they're hurting the cause. It makes it harder to take these efforts seriously when situations like this happen. There's a shortage of resources to deal with these sorts of matters. It's not easy busting up cults. It's not easy to prove crimes. You have to do it the right way so that the ability to hold people accountable isn't weakened.
my thing with max is that he's taking advantage of something that affects lives, leaves scars, and hurts everyone involved, making "movies" about them and claiming it's "fiction" makes him as disgusting as the same people he pretends to call out
Back in 2020 before MamaMax got into ... this... I loved his videos on 'cursed' video games, especially the one on Rolypolys no Nanakorobiyaoki He was such a comfort to me, and even after he started his series on the 'predator hunting' I still enjoyed him, didn't engage with the fanbase. I'm ashamed, to say the least :(
Methinks that at the end of this, Mamamax is destined for the rubber room. A rubber room full of rats, cockroaches and a 24 hour video feed of Critikal calling him a goober.
Little outside your usual demographic, I’m a 53 year old grandmother. I also watched MMM in his earlier videos but he quickly went off the rails. It’s offensive to me as a csa survivor when he does his Dr Claw voice to add false drama to such a traumatic subject. Imagine your therapist starting a session with that voice!
Most csa survivors want a hero, a savior since they didn’t have one when they were most vulnerable. His audience is dangerously vulnerable to his cult leader personality. I think you’re brave to put yourself in their sights.
dr claw voice 😭
@@biggestastiest Relax, he's just a big fan of Frank Welker.
Dr claw lol, you're right though! Dr claw calls inspector gadget a PDF file as his evil plan.
I believe that is called the "Streisand Effect".
this is fkn insane 😂
As a CSA survivor who has emailed him many times for help when he first started, hearing it was all basically fake made my stomach drop.
I hope you're doing better
@@redcherry8137 thank you
Man, that's rough! I hope you're doing alright.
Unfortunately there are predators like Max out there who will specifically target and use survivors for their own ends
i hope you find the peace/justice/whatever you need and im so sorry that there are people like this out there who would take advantage of something like that. you are important and your story is important, it doesnt deserve to be fictionalized and sensationalized like this.
Max telling children to go to the doorsteps of child predators is possibly the stupidest idea that I've ever heard.
That’s actually horrible.. 💀
You and him had the same idea?
@@duggyfresh8899 ?
@@duggyfresh8899 Bro can't read
Edit: In case he deleted it, he insinuated OP and mamamax had the same idea
@@chromacorvus9651he didn't insuate anything...
he straight up said "you and him had the same idea" 😂😂😂
Isn't it an actual cult tactic to tell members that every bit of criticism towards their group or leader, is just made up by their "enemy" to muddy the water on who's right or wrong?
Well yes also isolating, lovebombing(attention), controlling etc
Yes, 90% of what he puts in his video are cult like behaviors lol
Yes. Like Christians.
Politicians do it too.
Yeah if it can't stand up to scrutiny it's likely just a manipulation. Beware of any group that labels large percentages of the population anything.
Now you've done it, Oompa. The Leviathans are gonna come for you.
When cod 4 review?
I'm gonna come for you, mister.....
Act Man, the host himself is here
Bro finish RDR2 first or else I am gonna come for you.
Hey it's the payday shill
What upsets me the most is that ALL these creators gave him the time of day to cover all his stories and most of them offering him great advice… and when they offer him criticism he doesn’t like he immediately turns on them… calls them names … sicks his audience on them and threatens to sue some of them
He also pretends like no one helped him afterwards. He’s got like 10 creators, some of which are even his friends like Muta trying to give him actual legitimate advice, and he goes to disregard it, acts the same way he’s always acted and turn around and accuse people like Muta for not helping is just so delusional. At this point he just needs to come out and admit he doesn’t want actual help and advice, he just wants people to agree with him
Sounds an awful lot like Max himself is guilty of something and lashes out at everyone for fear of being exposed, doesn't it?
So yeah, if someone criticises his work he is automatically a child molester, a potential predator etc. Caleb was right, he is a manchild, Leafy like "no u" kid mentality
Because he doesn't care about any of these people.
Not the victims, not the kids and not his fellow content creators.
He cares only about the clout, attention and money he's getting.
It's sad but the *best case* scenario here is he's had a mental break and is currently spiraling.
The alternative is he's been doing all this damage to the cause *intentionally*
I honestly thought Mamamax wasnt online after the whole "pick a side youtube", honestly not even surprised that his friends never watched Mamamax's PDF file videos because anyone with eyes and ears would start ripping them off after watching any of his hunting videos.
Ironically Mamamax fits the criteria for a cult leader behavior.
Yeah funny that..
Agreed… It’s been very disheartening watching him go down this path.
It’s so funny in his recent patreon video, he tried to accuse all these content creators of using cult tactics to build up a fanbase when he himself is the one who seems the most in common with a cult. From what I’ve seen it seems like he read one book on cult and suddenly he sees cults everywhere and believes he’s a cult expert now.
@@squishprincei mean, look at his original content before he rebranded. He’s always been like this, he just pretends he hates who he was then as if he isnt the exact same person now to boost his new content
cult leaders are charismatic. mamamax is not
I like how Caleb's MamaMax impression goes from semi-accurate, to Cookie Monster, to Fat Albert.
Bit of Yoda too lol
Some essence of Kermit the frog as well.
*The word of the day is: PDF file. YAYY!*
And Walter White
And it somehow drifts to Marge Simpson. xD
@@JacaboBlanco that's what i was thinking too. I was half expecting him to bust into Yoda-speak lol
As of 21-01-2024 Mamamax has removed all videos regarding the situation on CJD. Man, I never thought I'd actually say that a person I once respected would be such a blatant attention grabbing idiot.
what a coward
Mamamax definitely watched Death Note and thought Light was justified
exactly. the whole point of death note is that light's intentions become more twisted and morally ambiguous as he slowly turns more insane and bloodthirsty.
Misa you idiot!
THANK YOU.
No he just asked chat gbt if it was justified
For we all know chat gbt knows all
I think light was always a megalomaniac, the deathnote just amplified his personality tenfold and he became basically a dictator
Oompa, please re-dub an entire Mamamax video with your Dark Kermit the Frog voice 🙌
There's almost a little marg Simpson in there too XD
kinda sounds like yoda to me lol
@@GH0STST4RSCR34M the what?
“Hrmm, not talking about the PDF files. A path to the dark side, this is”
“I’m glad that i don’t have to pretend it’s not cringe anymore” LOL OOOMPAAAA W
literally a whole mood
I'm glad he kinda said that because I was feeling the same way about Mamamax. The way he talked just rubbed me the wrong way
@@mrlee3947 I knew it was fake from the beginning. Literally zero of the discord predator catching channels are legit, it's so easy to fake that it's ridiculous. It's even less believable when he presents himself like one of those creepypasta reading channels or true crime channels. How he ever became popular or had people believing he was a hero is beyond me.
As somebody who was SA’d my entire early childhood to the point that it stunted my mental development. That I don’t think I’ll ever truly be normal and able to truly function in society. It’s absolutely disgusting he’s using SA survivors as a pedestal to help perpetuate his main character syndrome.
This is how I felt. I tried to watch one of his videos once and had to turn it off because it was so extremely physically cringey how he dramatized an actual terrible reality and made himself a savior makes it feel so trivial and like he’s doing it for sport.
@@milkbathxoxoI agree it’s disgusting ironically he seems more of a cult leader than anybody he’s covered
@@milkbathxoxofor something serious like csa affect on mental illness increase and stunted development, his vids gave off more anxiety like the creepy hoollywood productions I cringed so bad in 2017 on his content
same. i turn 32 this year and i am still struggling. this dude is just as scummy as the people he was "hunting".
tbh it's hard to trust anyone that gains notoriety from covering SA, CSA or R victims, like it needs to be covered but it's hard not feeling like they're befitting off others pain
So Max is catering to a group of troubled people, lying about how he can, will, and has benefitted them, using them as pawns for his own personal benefit, pretending to be a caring hero against an unjust system-You know, I think there's a name for that. Like a leader of something. Like a *something* leader, you know? 🤔
Does that something rhyme with "bolt" by any chance?
@@wendynerd1199I think the word is "Dolt", I'm not sure
Can’t possibly be Cult right? Just throwing a wild guess out I know how crazy it sounds to assume that…
Well yes your right but remember this cult is against pedophiles so you should add that
But it is definitely unhinged and cultish
It's actually a perfect example and demonstration worthy of using as a case study for how a grandiose narcissist operates and manipulates.
Edit to add: Look up the acronym, "DARVO" if you'd like more insight into the tactics used by narcissists. It's like reading through the introductory chapter of their playbook.
Agreed. MamaMax, in recent interviews and streams at least, is DARVO personified. (I never watched his older stuff, so I can’t speak to that.)
When he renamed his channel "GODCULT," I knew he was on a downward path. Such a fall from grace
There was a grace to begin with?
The problem was he was always like this, it’s just his most recent stunt he went after Charlie (and lots of other beloved figures) so more people pushed back and scrutinized his work which lead to his downfall but the signs of him being unhinged, delusional and someone with a saviour complex & main character syndrome was always there.
When he did his first two campaigns against youtube and implied how they’re “helping” predators by taking down one of his videos for breaking TOS and larping like some batman/jigsaw figure, people should’ve already raised the red flag for him but because it was against youtube which is popular to hate on, and the fact he’s hiding behind “I’m HeLpInG ThE KiDs” everyone just conveniently overlooked the red flags.
It's so ironic too considering before his whole "predator hunting" scheme, he did a video on an ACTUAL dangerous cult and made fun of them. Now he's literally going the same path (obviously not preforming dangerous acts but preforming the same tatics as other cults do)
I knew he was an idiot when he did the batman voice, so you know from the beginning
@@chanr9531 This exactly! You only really notice these signs after the fact. People tend to let certain things slide if they agree with the other person. It all just perfectly comes together after him being exposed. You really start to see the early problematic signs he had in his videos.
off topic but... the sudden sunlight behind him made him look majestic af
Ikr. When he closed the blinds I got sad. The colors where beautiful
That and the impressions slowly morphing into Yoda
Will someone draw him like one of their French girls?
Artistic
Artistic even?
UPDATE: max has deleted all videos related to this situation, including the “accountability” video.
Didn't know that. Thanks for sharing!
Wow, that's crazy.
He is foolish. The internet is forever
He also unprivated his older content as well.
he didn't delete them just made them private
Basically mamamax:
Saviour complex with a discord mod mentality and a huge obsession towards subliminal messages and edgy cinematography
Otherwise known as
CRINGE
@@left-2-write28Lol nah, thats an insult to the word cringe lol
He's like if ASMR followed you down a dark alley in a horror movie
This is what happens when you’ve never been punched in the face lol
How??
@@VelikiDim pipe down skibidi
@@CaptainNeo727 ?
@@CaptainNeo727 pipe down? dude said a single word/question 😭
@@elysianblu wompwomp
“I’ve been wearing the same clothes for 4 days and I haven’t showered in 5.” This is why we love him ❤️💀
But whem iiii do it mfs act different 💀
Smelly
Woaw so epic and random xd
Kris needs to come back and make him shower 😂💀 (it's a joke)
I'm just happy I'm not alone. 😊
Him saying other creators were somehow inherently IMPLICIT in aiding predators by simply *not talking about it* was crazy.
This is the "believe all victims" mentality on STEROIDS!!!!!!!!!!
Naaa this is worst it the whole silence is violence mentality
believing all victims makes sense tho, being complicit by not talking about it is just ridiculous
Man’s completely lost in his own delusions, convincing himself he’s somehow the only person fighting against online predations when there’s so many law enforcement agencies and other organizations doing just that behind the scenes without all the flashy edits and larp.
The irony is he's had a couple people come out with allegations against him. So, by his own logic, he's just as guilty of being a creep
@@juliesnoot2818 in the world now a days it is hard to believe people with so many people crying wolf
I want to believe people are telling the truth and not just simply guilt tripping other into believing them for there own self interest
There has been this little voice in the back of my head that keeps telling me MamaMax's whole shift into pred hunting, and then this Camden situation was just a big ARG, and I'm glad you said it here.
I think the KC thing is probably the most unhinged example itself
The fact he doubles back to the disorder to inform us that she is in fact "okay" when she probably isn't in fact "real" is super boggling.
Mamamax is the Hotline Miami equivalent of one of those Rick and Morty fans who looks up to Rick.
jacket would probably tell him to relax.
Yeah that existed, they’re “the fans”
Morty- "oh geez"
Rick-"shabba yabba burp"
😂
Both of these types of fans are the worst parts of the respective fandoms.
would Bojack apologists who misunderstood his character count for this too?
This feels like Eric Cartman getting an idea of how to get more clout at school.
i could see eric cartman doing this 1 for 1
Wasn’t there literally an episode where all the kids say their parents are pedos so they can do whatever they want without parental supervision?
@@Iminyourwalls873yup, it’s called The Wacky Molestation Adventure. S4 E16
This whole situation has really broken my heart as a long time fan of him.
I remember my friend told me to watch him and i hated his name so much i never did 💀
How can you be a fan of bargain bin jigsaw?
Yeah I never liked the guy his videos were just edgy and now I see I'm not the only one who never liked the guy
Never heard of him before this. So watched a few of his videos. Old and new. Im sorry no idea why he got so popular. His videos are on the end of being cringy edgy clickbait. I feel a ton of people were watching them but with no one coming in to tell the people watching them that his videos were really bad. Maybe because no one called him out as he would doxx them and scare them in their place of work. Sending emails to family members.
same, i'm really disappointed :(
lying, fanfiction role playing, questionable moral judgment.. all things that (unfortunately) fall into the internet’s extremely short memory… going after charlie, however, is the ultimate self destruct
He sounds like he is trying to start his own “Anonymous” group.
Was never a fan of him, I always felt sketchy about the guy. Could you image if Chris Hanson used a batman filter on his voice?
Chris handsome is garbage too
@@redcherry8137funny spelling error but true
I was gonna say this! The batman voice is beyond cringe and unserious
yeah, he tried doing the whole anonymous hacker/batman type voice, but that only works if we don't know your actual identity beforehand. just seems like he was roleplaying, which is fitting
@@redcherry8137but...I likes him and I wants him😢
I'm convinced a lot of people get into true crime and ped0-hunting so they have the most awful people to compare themselves to when they get called out for their own unethical or incompetent behavior.
Mamamax has a real Charlie Manson vibe going on
Charles*
That's hyperbole 🙄 stop
He might be a fraud but that's a HUGE DIFFERENCE from a serial killer 🙄
@@pettykittyfam max said he knew hitmen and said he sent "dangerous fans" and implied they ended "pedos"
Ironically he's acting like an actual cult leader
@@pettykittyfamManson wasn't a serial killer he was a cult leader.
As a CSA survivor, finding out that everything is fake really makes me feel sick
After seeing the leaked "evidence" (which basically reads like just a bunch of Twilight RPG'ers taking a game a bit too seriously, but nothing more) and now MM's reactions, I'm partially convinced that MM and this Camden are just doing this as a public LARP.
A big tell with Max is that he is incapable of not overdramatizing serious situations. With his castle crumbling around him he can't drop this obviously fake character and be sincere, unless being confronted on a live stream. It's pathetic and no one can take him seriously.
Off topic but is that an anonymous agony profile picture? I watched a video about it and that looks like the main characters smirk and chain necklace
The "Leviathans are coming for you" part is from the statements that Spencer had made in their podcast where they talked about alleged threats that Camden made, saying that "Leviathans are coming for you" when he wanted to put pressure on his victims and keep them silent and obedient. Just for anyone curious. I'm assuming it's a reference from the series Supernatural.
Oh yeah. I had forgotten about the Leviathan arc in Supernatural. I kept thinking of the biblical use of the word leviathan.
Just use borax, easy
@@blackhat4206 I was thinking of Thomas Hobbes actually
Spencer? the woman clearly dating max who is manipulating people and being extremely rude to any fair questions/criticisms, going as far as to criticize OTHER victims? That spencer? The one who admits in her own story she lured girls in?
Max has been using the word 'Leviathans' quite a lot in his videos, I think he thinks it means 'large'. He called IMVU Leviathans and Max was just an individual if they tried to sue him. I just find it weird that Max's words are suddenly coming out of Camdan's mouth.
there's something concerning about people who use "pdf files" as the target of all their fantasy violence. regardless of whether those people actually deserve it, it seems like these mamamax types just want to pick a target that no one will defend so they can indulge in fantasy violence against real people and feel like a big tough vigilante.
Kinda like those serial killers who target prostitutes, they think nobody will care about them or look for them... so they make convenient victims.
I agree. It's almost like they like the idea of children being victimized so they can indulge in violence guilt-free.
Yep, but what makes them go from "concerning" to "pathetic" is the fact that they never actually do anything. They just lie, because they're too lazy or too afraid to actually try to make a difference.
And what makes them go from "pathetic" to "despicable" is when they find a way to make money with their lies. Here is where Max...well, lies.
@@wendynerd1199 You actually have no idea how right you are.
I'm both an ex MMM supporter and CSA survivor, while this all is cultist, we only gave him the credibility in calling out p*dos was because he told us it was real and legit, very few people are sticking by him, he's hurt all of us with this, I'm sorry for my part in helping him get this far
Oompa's Yoda voice in the end is a lot more bearable than Mamamax's filter.
It is a mystery to me how Mamamax got to be friends with so many, what I would consider "respectable", UA-camrs in the first place. A guy that sensationalizes predator hunting and child abuse with cinematic editing and a cringe af voice changer to "entertain" instantly gives me the creeps more than anything.
Just goes to show the power of “his heart is in the right place. At least he’s helping kids” and how far that can get you while shielding you from any criticisms, for bad faith actors even as blatant as Mamamax to take advantage of.
The amount of rabid fans in his audience who’d harass anyone who even slightly criticized him and would be called predators or predator defenders for daring to criticize Max’s content/behaviour is scary. Tommy, who was one of the people who was critical of him way before the recent events and a CSA victim himself, was told that he deserved what happened to him as a kid for speaking out against Max.
he also made videos in the past talking ab weird n creepy topics (japan cult n kanye quest) n it put him out in the horror cre8or sphere n got him friends in there
That's easy. Right from the "LeafyIsHere" era, Max had far better film-making skills, and more slick production (even if his style is cheesy, 2007 emo) than 99% of UA-cam.
Many UA-camrs are (understandably) nerds for film-making and slick production- That's WHY they ended up UA-camrs; because they're into video production. So when they see a guy making these polished, stylised videos (REGARDLESS of the actual content; I'm just talking about style/technical skills), they respect that, and probably want to get tips, maybe assistance with vids, or collabs with him.
I'm guessing that respect for Max's technical skills, as well as the fact that nobody wants to be the one to CRITICIZE the guy who's (supposedly) "taking down the pdf files", meant that NOBODY was looking critically at Max's videos. EVERYONE was incentivised, to just take Max at his word, and assume he was being honest, and competent in his "predator-hunter" role (spoiler; He's neither).
Also, it's UA-cam. They let literally ANYONE make a YT channel, and theres no real "rules" (beyond TOS), or peer review, or quality control. Everyone just makes whatever video their audience likes, and has no real reason to check up on the claims, of a (then) popular channel, that everyone respects.
UA-camrs are just as dumb and lazy as the rest of us, here in the cheap seats- Unless they have some specific REASON to bother researching the claims a certain channel makes, nobody ever WILL check up on those claims. If you're popular and well-respected, you can get away with sketchy stuff, for a crazy long time, potentially.
He used to do creepypasta/true crime/internet mysteries content
Idk but I just watched Nexpo get interviewed by Luhrix, and he admitted that he hasn't watched a full video by Mamamax
The real question is is how did he get a picture of a vampire? I thought they couldn't be photographed and seen through mirrors😂😂😂
He used the limited edition Holy Camera
@@B0B-v2h he borrowed the holy see'r
That is fake lore, and yes I know vampires are fake, but what I mean is the lore that vampires cant be seen in mirrors is because old time mirrors were either lined with silver or backed with silver, and that is why they couldnt be seen in those mirrors.
He used the fatal frame camera
@@bradr2567That's also why they apparently couldn't appear in photos too iirc. Silver nitrate used to be used I believe?
My "aunt" is a child abuser that is afraid of consequences. She screams loud enough at them that my own ears hurt. Everybody in my family is stopping me from getting the law involved except my brothers who have recorded evidence. She only adopted the kids she adopted from her cousin because she wanted the benefits meanwhile she pawns off responsibility to everyone else she can. She committed one of them to a mental evaluation despite being the cause of his trauma, she bathes him despite him being like 8. She got rid of me because I said I would rat on her to the dcs. I need to get her in trouble real soon. She is traumatizing those kids and threatened me with a restraining order 😂 She destroyed my ps4 while illegally evicting me. I have mounds of dirt on that whole side of my family. My actual aunt had a son that killed my grandpa while we begged her for days for his ssn to get him committed because he was actually insane. I need to meet real people because my family are all evil people.
Please do report it gather whatever evidence you can and please report it
The cops need to hear this, not us in the comments. Please advocate for yourself, we can’t, but we care
@stinkmymeat trust me I will. I have been careful not to let her know we recorded her and I have been making sure to not name her.
@squibbelsmcjohnson I gotta wait until my dad and brother and my cats are out of her house. Then I am gonna let her know the jig is up. He keeps telling me to not tell on her but I 1000% need to. She is pure evil and a boomer almond mom.
Report it dude. Your brothers have videos report it
He's the same kind of person that says you should watch The Sound of Freedom and if you didn't enjoy the movie, he calls you apart of the problem.
こんにちは、あなたがこれを上手に翻訳していることに驚いています。あなたはこの地球上にいて当然の素晴らしい人です、時にはそれが真実ではないと感じるかもしれないと私は知っていますが、私たちはあなたを愛しています。いつも 💗 これがお役に立てば幸いです。すべてが良くなると約束します💗💗
When people are this crazed about any subject I always think “the lady doth protest too much.” Like Tim Ballard …. makes me wonder every single time.
caleb is finally feeding us a whole 41 minute video, we must celebrate this moment
people who try to blur the line between fiction and reality and treat real victims like a "profitable topic" but treat fiction like the actual crime are dangerous.
Oompa isn't pulling punches, you know you've messed up when the nice candy mans being this critical.
Could never get behind mamamax. His vids always popped up in my feed but I’d struggle to make it through them without cringing at his fake voice, over dramatised editing and kinda aimless video structure.
He’s given the same weird vibes illuminaughti and Creepshow did before I also unsubscribed from them. Makes me wonder which other channels that unsettle me will get exposed for one thing or another…
Thanks for putting my comment in your video! Judging by their names, it seems to be some sort of cult-like hierarchy by using titles such as Mama, Auntie, Children, etc... I'm ashamed to have been caught up in the allure; however, I'm a glad to have been pulled out of it to see Max for what he really is: a liar.
It feels like Spencer is his girlfriend and he convinced her to play the victim in one of his movies then got backlash and now they are both doing TERRIBLE damage control.
This is the same thing I was thinking! She apparently came to him with this story 2-3 years ago and now he decides to pick up the story, let her move in with him and push this “investigation” as if it were the most important thing is so weird to me.
This is what i thought too. Once all the facts were exposed. I'm so disappointed with Max. It truly was a cash grab, and at an attempt to put it onto some guy's back. Probaby spencer's ex that she is still angry with for dumping her , or cheating, ect. its really very clear now.
Shes giving him hugs and looks like shes practically living with him. They both use super manipulative language and she criticizes other victims when they dont do what she wants
@@Ellijelliispencer, regardless of what happened really, is super manipulative and seems very ill.
@@notatrollll I fully agree that in any case she needs real psychological help, especially with what came out today. Im not saying that in an icky bully way, but more a real concern.
As someone who was groomed and was SA'd I felt like I was safe with mamamax and even went to his patreon and subbed to him giving the little money I had. I love how edgy his videos were and the crazy things he got into and felt like he was a safe space. Soon though I started to not have a lot of money and couldn't afford to keep up with his patron and I was shamed by people for not supporting him and even though I was in a shelter and literally had no money. Soon I couldn't afford my own food and my mom had to step in and stop me from continuing to pay for his patreon and I was able to get out of that hole but I felt terrible for months. I felt like I was letting people who where in my same situation down and failing someone who I saw as a hero. I see now though it was just a cult and a place I should've never been in anyway.
You need to put your own oxygen mask on, before you put on other's, or there won't be anyone to help them. I hope you're doing better now. 🤍
@@Naptosis mentally Im doing a lot better! Money not so much but at least im on my feet again, thank you for asking!
It 100% is a cult, im sorry you had to be pressured by them after what youve already been through. I hope youve found far healthier relationships
since when do you give your heroes money? i don't understand your generation
@JohanLiebert1 Compare it to a commission, if you will. If we feel someone is doing a wonderful job in their field of work, then we are happy to pay for continued services.
Another reason folks pay is because we believe in a cause someone is promoting. In this case, the cause is "justice" when supposedly the law failed. Sadly, this happens often enough that vigilantes will have financial and social support. By paying Max, the folks insured he could continue what they believed was helping others.
I write horror stories inspired by Kafka and Max is behaving exactly how I would write an antagonist 😭
Very Kafkaesque.
Kafkaesque, yo
WHo iS KAFKA? TELL ME!!!!!!!
@@R005TERILLUSION Franz Kafka.
@@R005TERILLUSION Google is a useful resource.
It’s so ironic that Mamamax wanted all of these creators to speak on something that he started and “called them to action” and now a lot of these same creators are speaking on how much an unhinged manipulator he is.
They did call to action about something he started.
Just not in the way that he thought they would.
16 Year old: Gets allegedly violated
Mamamax: _"How can I make this about myself? "_ 🤔
I love how Caleb's dub of the messages/texts turned from MamaMax to Vigilante Yoda.
Caleb: “I’ve never done an artistic thing in my life.”
Also Caleb: _runs a UA-cam channel and a candy company_
How is being a successful business owner equal to art? 😂
@@Sonybo100being a UA-camr takes a surprising amount of creativity
Neither of which are particularly or explicitly artistic.
yeah I love him but that’s not art
Candy is completely unnecessary and can be argued as an art of taste and visuality.
I’ve heard “Leviathans are coming for you” is a line Camden used to scare 16y/o Spencer, so that’s where that supposedly comes from.
Nearly every single piece of media I've seen about "fans of the playground" they make a big deal out of the age of the alleged perpetrators often its in the headline, but with this case they never mention Camden's age, they show photos of a guy who looks quite young and lives with his mother, the photos of him and Spencer they look the same age, yeah he might have been abusive (definitely a he said she said situation) but was he actually a "fan of the playground", I'm not convinced its like they've avoided saying how old he is...
Because he was 18 and Spencer was 16 when they dated. They conveniently left out that detail as it's a completely legal 2 year age gap.
Anyone noticed he uses ChatGPT to write all of his comments, tweets, and DMs? There's no way a human exclusively talks like a fishy spam email with that cold clinical wording. It's probably half the reason everyone felt off about shouting out his video in the first place.
Used it for scripts too.
I've actually supported him during the whole UA-cam and predator problem happening on his channel aka "Pick a side UA-cam" . Now, i regret it
@@ryanmarc1853 What i said doesn't make me a sociopath? it just makes me *oblivious*
what was the pick a side youtube?
@@sofifi43999 if i remembered the context vividly (it was 2-3 years ago), the "pick a side UA-cam" video was about mamamax being silenced or got a strike by UA-cam with a video talking about some predator on IMVU and UA-camrs who were tagged about this situation spoke up about this.
@@dimosguy thanks dude! very apreciated and uh.... sorry that you supported him earlier but it's great that you recognize it was bs? i dunno what to say lol
@@sofifi43999 Yeah... he fooled me once, shame on him.
Dude sounds like the old man from Saw.
I am a survivor of DV and SA. Fifteen years ago I almost lost my life to my abuser. I had to face him in court about a year ago bc he stole my identity. Victimizing me all over again and has really set me back. This guy is hurting survivors by doing what he is. My abuser only got six months house arrest at his mommy’s house and a $500 fine. He now has done this to several other women and only gets a smack on the hand. Lying about real stories and fabricating them for views for your own financial gain is vile. We are real people who are struggling with trauma that stays with us for the rest of our lives. Secretly dude gets his rocks off on harmed women. He is dangerous no differently than those he pretends to hunt down. Leave us alone. You’re not a voice for us and stop victimizing us for your own sick pleasure. Just as unhinged as those he despises. Youre no hero.
I was thinking either that or Sweet Tooth from Twisted Metal: Black
Also, I'm so sorry you had to go through all that, nobody deserves that kind of pain in their lives.
His name is John Kramer 🙄
why dose this dude sound like he is about to ask me If I want to play a game
After watching this as it unfolds, it seems to me like Max genuinely thought he was charismatic and manipulative enough to be a cult leader like Manson or Jim Jones. He really believes he can get anyone to do what he wants. He's so involved with his own narrative that he doesn't understand that Jones, Manson, and people like them targeted specific types of people and steered clear of anyone that wasn't within their victim criteria. He overestimated his own ability to brainwash people.
I'm calling it right now: by the end of the month max is either going to be A) exposed as being friends with several known predators (i.e. TheWhiteBowser) or B) is actually a predator himself and has been projecting the whole time.
Option B is honestly the likely outcome IMO
That’s most likely the case Colleen acted like she was all about body positivity and protecting children yet turned out the opposite
With how he’s acting, I wouldn’t be surprised in the slightest if all of this was projections and he was hiding his own skeletons in the closet. He’s already being investigated by the FBI and apparently his mega upload account was banned because he had some kind of illegal material on it that matched the hashes of documented illegal material in mega upload’s database.
Also this was already publicly known that he’s stalked this girl he knew from highschool and posted self harm/suicidal images onto his fb page during his time in the military because of the girl and her boyfriend, leading him to be kicked out of the military.
Man’s already so shady and crazy this revelation wouldn’t be surprising at all.
Option C, both are true, is the most likely imo
TWBIAP
It's gonna be B for sure
I've been screaming about this jackarse for almost 4 years now, and this is *so* satisfying to watch. I can't stand how he thinks h knows everything. I can't stand how he refuses to take even a basic course in psychology. I can't stand how he uses emotion-bait words to get attention. But before this, if you criticized him, it was "you're one of them". Finally, it's all coming out. Couldn't have happened to a more deserving person.
love that i only know 2 youtubers so i come here in order to find out inapplicable information on random people i’ve never heard of
I didnt find information down here
Homie got obliterated, past 9 lives, living on Casper status
nobody who makes a big deal out of doing the right thing is actually doing the right thing. nobody claiming to be a hero themselves is one, and nobody making a dramatic viewing spectacle out of doing real justice is actually just.
As a CSA (COCSA) victim, and apart of the Miami Hotline fandom i never felt so betrayed.
It's so awful because a lot of CSA feel the same way now, BTW I love your icon! Nun massacre is insane!
@@prettyhatemachinexoxoit’s so awful (also thank you so much internet stranger
I was almost groomed once and seeing him treat this as some kind of excuse to act like the internet’s Batman is disgusting also love the pfp puppet combo is great.
Fellow COCSA victim and it really makes me glad I have my current therapist. She told me what allowed me to heal. "Half the people who claim to target perpetrators do it for money, status, or easy access to potential victims. Every part of our society is broken when it comes to CSA, the child isn't. They just have to learn how to find their place again. Their mistrust is valid."
What does the CO stand for?
You wanna know how I know we don't live in Hotline Miami? I don't have a SICK SOUNDTRACK playing for all to see when I walk away.
23:54 In regards to NDA's, they actually only needs two signatures (the party disclosing information to the other party and the other party who is not to disclose said information) and be an agreement of non-disclosure (doesn't need to be notarized). However an NDA does require VERY specific wording as to its scope and subject or else it is invalid. So if the scope is too broad or does not concisely describe what it is that should not be disclosed, it is not legally binding/enforceable.
NDAs are so weird. It's a piece of paper. And I'm gonna spill all the beans
Mamamax's 70% chatgpt nda doesn't specify any sort of damages or a venue of arbitration. Its essentially completely worthless. Even if you broke it, so what?
I think the important part is what you said: when someone comes over claiming they're hunting pedos, you just can't really try to suss out what they're all about. Because if you're trying to dig into a supposed predator hunter, what does it say about you, huh?
So yeah, Max, thanks for abusing other people's trust, great job.
Weaponizing trauma is one of the nastiest things you could do to actual victims…
"The Chicken from Hotline Miami" his name is Richard, this is such a common fact💀
But yeah, as a long-time HM fan (well duh, my pfp is hyper-realistic Manny Pardo), MM always rubbed me the wrong way. I swear we had a CONSTANT issue of people coming into Hotline Miami fan Discord saying "let's do our own 50 Blessings to boop **insert bad guy group**" way prior - even though the game itself is VERY explicit about vigilantism not being as cool on the closer look - and when Max popped off, I could only let out a deep sigh. This kind of media illiteracy was always a red flag, I'm just surprised that the rabbit hole turned out to be THAT deep.
HIS NAME IS HOTLINE MIAMI 🗣️🗣️🗣️
The moment I heard "Hotline Miami" I felt a shiver as I knew this was gonna show in high detail that media literacy was degrading well best we can do is find it funny
I would not be surprised if this creepy dude says, "Do you want to play a game" to himself, in the mirror, daily 😳😂😳
not all heroes wear capes, some don't shower for days.
😂 true!
Spencer is probably a ex of "Camden" and dating Max and told stories of "Camden" to get max to get homie arrested. At least how it appears from what everyone has said and the little info about Camden. Spencer gets mad and not sad about hearing about Camden.
If you want to learn about real victims and their assailants and experiences, Unfiltered Stories covers it. It can be too heavy for me to listen to sometimes, but it also reminds me of how different people cope with trauma (some became religious, some forgave, some went on to continue to speak and advocate for victims). It seems like a better and healthier channel in that the victims are real and empowered instead of being treated as clickbait-- there's no egotistical narrative making it about them and production, it's the person getting an uninterrupted chance to talk to the audience.
you mentioning anders just for that one moment actually made me emotional. i'm norwegian, and when it happened it was a tragedy that went majorly unnoticed in the world. to this day people still don't know about it, and hearing a big youtuber i enjoy watching so much know really tugged at my heartstrings. thank you, dude.
Could you tell us about it?
@@eandeavoriiiiiif it's Anders Breivik he's a neo-n@zi who killed a lot of people. His first attack was with a car bomb, and the next was a mass sh00ting at a Summer Youth camp.
(Sorry for the 00 and @, its so youtube doesn't get mad at me. If you type Norway, Anders then all of it pops up on google).
@@eandeavorit's on Google
It was heavily covered here in the UK at least. That day was an absolute... the words 'evil' and 'tragedy' are not enough to describe it. Those poor children, and those that were killed and hurt by the explosion. I don't know how you've all healed so well in Norway after that day. 🤍
@@eandeavor it’s a very heavy story. You can look Anders Breivik up. A truly evil individual.
Trying to pull the general public into a delusion that has only worked on kids is never the move.... But..... this is actually great for the platform.
video aint even been out that long but if this is ragging on max I'm down
@@randyb.9143 I want him to expose the whole world for being pedophiles.
@@randyb.9143 even our pets and hallucinations all pedophiles.
@@randyb.9143should be, buddy
Yeah I hope no one over the age of like 14 actually bought into Max’s schtick. It’s so laughably edgy, pretentious and reads like some “critique” of society that’s written by a 14 year old who has no idea how the world works.
It’s a shame because I always liked him as a creator and watching him go off the rails is pretty sad.
I feel the exact same way, he was basically one of my favorite content creators.
Same. We can't feel bad for him though.
real
he used to be my comfort creator :(
He was always this bad, but we just never saw it yet.
Has his presentation always been this cringe? Doing the batman voice aren't taking these topics very seriously
Oompa went from trying to use the dark voice into using yoda voice lol
I thought the same thing😂 It sounds like a chain smoking Yoda.
the leviathans thing is in reference to terry davis, a man who would detach max's pituitary gland with telekinesis like mewtwo if he saw his channel
I was actually in the livestream about camden jarrard davis that mamamax did. It was clear how brainwashed and delusional his audience and community was. He overdramatized and criminalized someone who has no evidence to be proven a criminal.
I realized why I enjoyed listening to oompaville so much. It's like listening to 90's Jim Carrey cover the news.
"I've never done anything artistic I'm my life except for this" sudden youtube add*
Oompa slowly makes his max voice turn more and more into miss piggy.
Man thinks he's Batman, but is actually budget Chills.
I know people like him better than anyone else. He portrays a character of a savior, a listener and a hero for SA victims. He does that to garner a community of victims that trust him with their experiences, because he gets off to stories of children getting SA. He is the kind of person he's "hunting" and listening to victims stories is closest he can get to scratching the itch without doing it himself. Although, i would not put it over a person like that to be using and abusing these victims himself.
If you're an SA victim, stay clear of him and people like him.
my best friend's cousin, who was a street over from us, who took advantage of my as a young boy, was 90% like mmmax. he's 100% an abusive manipulative creep.
I used to watch his content. The over dramatized angle felt more like an act rather than what he really was, but one of the more recent videos (I haven't watched any since) felt like he was attacking his audience rather than asking for help.
For awhile in my late teens/early 20s, I did the same kind of thing he did. Not really on purpose, but I'd get on chatting apps (trying to push past some social anxiety) and run into men who preyed on children. I'd talk to them just enough to get locations and photos of them and then I'd pass that information onto their local police. It was really rough stuff and I read a lot of things that I kind of regret seeing. So, in a way, I can understand why he's going off the deep end.
I remember there was at least one time that he said he enjoyed doing it. That kind of rubbed me wrong, but (if I were to play devil's advocate) I can see how he might have tried to turn the things he was seeing into a positive. That kind of mentality can only last so long though, and before you know it, you can't keep up the facade anymore. I think what we're seeing now (and this is as positive as I can spin this) is extreme burn out. He can't cope with the things he's seen anymore nor can he tolerate that there's more of that stuff out there. All those feelings end up coming out as a scary black and white perspective and anger towards everyone who's "not on his side".
I think he needs a significant amount of therapy (heaven knows I did), but he can't admit that this all-or-nothing mentality is detrimental to, not just him, but also the victims he's trying to help. I hope he can see what's going on before it drastically hurts the credibility of the victims he's aligned with.
As a side note: if all of his content really was faked, I don't know if I'd be able to properly express the rage and disappointment I'd feel. Why bother fooling us over such a serious topic only to get mad when people don't buy into it?
Saw from another commenter that NDA's mean absolutely nothing if its related to a criminal investigation so signing an NDA would be absolutely pointless unless you wanted false authority.
One way to tell if someone is a narcissist is if they accuse everyone else of being a narcissist.
As a note , that sunlight makes you even more of a sigma then before putting you in the deserving godly lights showing beauty
If people are distorting facts, and manufacturing evidence they're hurting the cause. It makes it harder to take these efforts seriously when situations like this happen. There's a shortage of resources to deal with these sorts of matters. It's not easy busting up cults. It's not easy to prove crimes. You have to do it the right way so that the ability to hold people accountable isn't weakened.
my thing with max is that he's taking advantage of something that affects lives, leaves scars, and hurts everyone involved,
making "movies" about them and claiming it's "fiction" makes him as disgusting as the same people he pretends to call out
Back in 2020 before MamaMax got into ... this... I loved his videos on 'cursed' video games, especially the one on Rolypolys no Nanakorobiyaoki
He was such a comfort to me, and even after he started his series on the 'predator hunting' I still enjoyed him, didn't engage with the fanbase.
I'm ashamed, to say the least :(
Used to be a fan of him a couple of years ago until I sat down and thought about how weird his approach to everything was.
Methinks that at the end of this, Mamamax is destined for the rubber room. A rubber room full of rats, cockroaches and a 24 hour video feed of Critikal calling him a goober.
I love that Oompas' impression of MamaMax's 'serious' voice just sounds like a deranged Yoda