I watched it last night. One hope I have is that Diane will remain a main character despite not appearing so much in the trailer AND that her and Wolf's relationship will continue
@NoTheRobot I'll mention you too in this as someone who grew up with the books, they 100% will keep her a main character, trust me. I'll write this further down if you don't want spoilers, but its in the original books, so it should be fine, and this isn't confirmed, but just a strong theory. in the original books, the "bad girls" were actually a crew of misunderstood specimen trying to be good, in reflection to the bad guys. the group was made of agent kitty kat (the cat), agent hogwild (the pig) and agent doom (the bird). however, in the books, agent fox, the leader of these girls, was a part of this crew. throughout the whole of the first bad guys film, we can see that Diane is 1000% reflecting agent fox in the books. the trailer didn't show Diane (agent fox in the books) with the "bad girls". considering the films appear to be an evolution of the story of the books, while adding their own flare, there is 1000% a backstory between these "bad girls" and Diane (agent fox), that will be dug into in the second film. No sign of agent shortfuse from the book though. I wonder where that'll come in
Well that’s only trailer one so it’s most likely Diane will appear more in trailer 2 also wolf and Diane’s relationship is going to be a little more strong in this one because the people that are working on the movie said that
10:02 That seems to be ice coming off the rocket, which is fantastic attention to detail. Most rockets use cryogenic liquid fuels, so the skin of the vehicle gets very cold while it is fueled up before launch. This causes frost or ice to form, which gets shaken loose during launch. Its a nice call out to real rockets like the space shuttle, which they seem to have referenced heavily here, and it makes the shot look fantastic.
Thank you!! I figured it was something like that but wasn't sure exactly what I was looking at haha. The FX team on Bad Guys always does their homework!!
Great catch. E.g. icing from liquid oxygen / hydrogen / methane. Awesome detail, I didn't notice that. Actually I never thought of it before, but how do solid fuel rockets cool their nozzles without all the chilly juice?? 😂
@@DaimyoD0 Usually they don’t and just let them ablate, building in sacrificial inserts if they plan on reusing the solid booster space shuttle style. Solid rockets also tend to burn colder than liquid rockets, and all binder, bits of unburnt fuel, and combustion products that are in the exhaust carry away extra heat.
I got to see a preview of the bad guys 2 in October. Because of a contract saying I can not spoil it, all I can say is amazing animation, great plot, good villains, great comedy. I can not wait to see it again but this time finished
The Bad Guys did so much for using traditional 2D animation conventions in a 3D animated movie. You could pause any moment where the characters were in motion and see super creative and interesting stuff. Like smear frames, motion lines, or when the character's silhouette gets squished and stretched, for which I'm sure there's a technical term I can't remember lol Based on the trailer it looks like the sequel won't disappoint on that classic cartoonish (and anime-esque) charm. 3:49 Big agree, they feel hand-drawn. In the first film, when Wolf and Diane are dancing at the charity banquet or w/e, I remember the facial animation felt so full of life I genuinely forgot I was watching an animated film for a moment; the facial animations were doing so much work to advance the character relationships without any dialogue. Also am I insane to say there's something about the color here that reminds me of Arcane in a way I can't put my finger on? lol
Totally feels hand drawn!! You should search for @ChibeTTo’s 2D animation he made for the prison fight scene in the first movie. He basically just drew the entire fight and then matched the poses in 3D to the hand-drawn poses and expressions.
I love watching your videos. I love finding someone who is too exited to talk about an animation technique that they had to add it in the editing process. I want to be just as exited as you when I learn how to properly animate and work in a huge project.
Not quite! They are outsourcing a good percentage of this film (which I have many big feelings about) but the majority of this particular film was still done in Glendale.
@@NoTheRobothow much of the film was still animated in Glendale versus Sony imageworks. I heard it’s like half and half 70 percent done in house 50 percent at Sony
@@NoTheRobot Well, I can learn to create moving images on paper, but I don’t know what I would need specifically to take it to the next level, in terms of equipment, and I’ve struggled to connect with animators.
If you have a computer I'd recommend checking out the software Blender (it's 100% free!). You can also download some free rigs from the website "agora.community" (under Assets) and get started with maniuplating a 3d rig like a puppet. Otherwise you can start learning figure drawing and anatomy - if you know the basics of that then animation is just using some tricks to bring the rest of the drawings to life. Hope that helps!
Hi, I am a 3D animator, and I'd like to hear more about the effects you worked on for the first film. Can you please give a detailed explanation of what visual elements in the movie you contributed to, I pretty much have a knack for visual effects and explosions and as you can see from the animations that I post on my channel😎
I was the FX coordinator so I didn’t contribute visuals myself. I assisted the team by helping them stay organized, assigning them shots, keeping track of deadlines, and organizing review sessions. I have a whole video on my channel that goes in depth into what I did ua-cam.com/video/K5dr92VgZwI/v-deo.htmlfeature=shared
It’s a drawing glove made by Wacom! It helps my hand slide across my Cintiq easier, also great for drawing on iPads. You can check the link in the description and search on their website for the drawing glove😁
What's so frustrating is that DreamWorks Animation itself has VERY LITTLE to do with that live action remake. Universal is slapping the DreamWorks name on something that's a slap in the face to the artist that worked on the original - many of whom are STILL at DreamWorks. So if you're gonna blame anyone, blame NBCUniversal.
The director said it's not a shot for shot remake, and usually marketing departments will pull the iconic shots memorable to audiences for the trailer.
At around 7:51, I'm curious why go the extra mile to break the character rig to make a shot when instead you can manipulate the virtual camera's FOV and other parameters? Genuinely curious why that isn't an option, or at least the first option for animators.
This exact shot likely wouldn't be possible without some form of rig breaking. If you tried making a wide FOV to achieve this, you might end up hurting the composition of the shot by having everything super stretched to get what you want. That being said, manipulating the FOV and the parameters of the camera is still used in a lot of cases I would assume.
It's a combination of the two! Usually these types of shots with an exaggerated forced perspective have a very wide FOV (usually like a 12-20mm focal length), but that usually only gets them halfway there. It's all about sculpting the pose to be exactly what the animator wants it to be. The camera FOV is usually dictated by the Layout department and between the Layout artist and the Animation artist they will figure out the right balance between the two
But let's be realistic, it is true that in the beginning there was a lot of DreamWorks' work that suggested that it was influenced by the rest of the animation film studios with a touch of their own creativity. But over the years, they developed a special style and produced distinctive films Until King Fu Panda came, then How to Train Your Dragon, and then Megamind, this studio gained a special weight. The same applies to the movie the bad guys In fact, I saw a lot of critics and analysts whose opinion I did not know about this film First, they say that the film is a complete imitation in style of the film The Mecheal vs the Machine Yes, there is a similarity in style But I enjoyed The Bad Guys much more than that movie Even if it is similar, the creativity and greatness in the film cannot be overlooked As critics have begun to criticize incorrectly without impartiality There is no need to mention the animation company, which if it produces random pictures, critics compete to bring out the creativity in it, even if this work came out spontaneously. Because I saw that critics were criticizing the movie The Bad Guys The negatives they mention are illogical, and I have sufficient responses to all negative criticism In fact, we can say that this is the best comedy, humor and fun film in the last ten years. There does not need to be depth, it is enough to have an idea that is presented cheerfully and with the pleasure of the experience and entertainment.
It is true that DreamWorks did not produce as many wonderful films as Disney But some of their films are masterpieces It may be the best animated film in history There are some works that are not fully appreciated
Critics, in the end, are humans influenced by childhood nostalgia Disney and Pixar's Conan were at the top at one time Even with the decline in their recent work, many critics still prefer it over other studios If a new film is released, no matter how much creativity, new things, new ideas and style it contains, critics still find similarities and connections with Pixar films. Even if the new film offers something distinctive and different, it cannot be appreciated Because their standards of excellence are what Disney and Pixar did. If it comes with something new and distinctive and does not agree with what Disney and Pixar were producing, then it is bad Because their criterion of excellence is not creativity, but rather whether it follows the approach of Pixar and Disney
As I mentioned, DreamWorks does not have a list of distinguished films with the same number of Disney and Pixar films But it has some films that may be classified as some of the best animated films in history 1- how to train your dragon 1 2- the wild robot 3- Kung Fu Panda 1 4- Kung Fu Panda 2 and 3 5- the bad guys (count as entertaining not for features ) 6- push and boots the last wish 7- how to train your dragon 2 8- megamind (underrated) 9- rise of The guardian (underrated) 10- spirit (underrated)
Haha no homework! It’s a figure of speech, I just meant that the FX team does their research very thoroughly to get accurate VFX elements, but there’s no assignments outside of work like there would be for school. Good question though!
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I watched it last night. One hope I have is that Diane will remain a main character despite not appearing so much in the trailer AND that her and Wolf's relationship will continue
I hope so too!
@NoTheRobot I'll mention you too in this
as someone who grew up with the books, they 100% will keep her a main character, trust me.
I'll write this further down if you don't want spoilers, but its in the original books, so it should be fine, and this isn't confirmed, but just a strong theory.
in the original books, the "bad girls" were actually a crew of misunderstood specimen trying to be good, in reflection to the bad guys. the group was made of agent kitty kat (the cat), agent hogwild (the pig) and agent doom (the bird). however, in the books, agent fox, the leader of these girls, was a part of this crew. throughout the whole of the first bad guys film, we can see that Diane is 1000% reflecting agent fox in the books. the trailer didn't show Diane (agent fox in the books) with the "bad girls". considering the films appear to be an evolution of the story of the books, while adding their own flare, there is 1000% a backstory between these "bad girls" and Diane (agent fox), that will be dug into in the second film.
No sign of agent shortfuse from the book though. I wonder where that'll come in
as someone who read the books, seeing that rocket ship has me excited for some of the reveals happening in this film. I'm hype
Well that’s only trailer one so it’s most likely Diane will appear more in trailer 2 also wolf and Diane’s relationship is going to be a little more strong in this one because the people that are working on the movie said that
She is in the trailer but for a second
10:02 That seems to be ice coming off the rocket, which is fantastic attention to detail. Most rockets use cryogenic liquid fuels, so the skin of the vehicle gets very cold while it is fueled up before launch. This causes frost or ice to form, which gets shaken loose during launch. Its a nice call out to real rockets like the space shuttle, which they seem to have referenced heavily here, and it makes the shot look fantastic.
You learn something new everyday
Thank you!! I figured it was something like that but wasn't sure exactly what I was looking at haha. The FX team on Bad Guys always does their homework!!
Great catch. E.g. icing from liquid oxygen / hydrogen / methane. Awesome detail, I didn't notice that.
Actually I never thought of it before, but how do solid fuel rockets cool their nozzles without all the chilly juice?? 😂
@@DaimyoD0 Usually they don’t and just let them ablate, building in sacrificial inserts if they plan on reusing the solid booster space shuttle style. Solid rockets also tend to burn colder than liquid rockets, and all binder, bits of unburnt fuel, and combustion products that are in the exhaust carry away extra heat.
the way my jaw dropped when i saw "hear me out" with an arrow pointing to the wolf 😭😭😭
you did an amazing job on the first one cant wait for the new one next year
Hey thanks so much!! It's gonna be a fun film
@@NoTheRobot im also in art school as well:)
I got to see a preview of the bad guys 2 in October. Because of a contract saying I can not spoil it, all I can say is amazing animation, great plot, good villains, great comedy. I can not wait to see it again but this time finished
The Bad Guys did so much for using traditional 2D animation conventions in a 3D animated movie. You could pause any moment where the characters were in motion and see super creative and interesting stuff. Like smear frames, motion lines, or when the character's silhouette gets squished and stretched, for which I'm sure there's a technical term I can't remember lol
Based on the trailer it looks like the sequel won't disappoint on that classic cartoonish (and anime-esque) charm.
3:49 Big agree, they feel hand-drawn. In the first film, when Wolf and Diane are dancing at the charity banquet or w/e, I remember the facial animation felt so full of life I genuinely forgot I was watching an animated film for a moment; the facial animations were doing so much work to advance the character relationships without any dialogue.
Also am I insane to say there's something about the color here that reminds me of Arcane in a way I can't put my finger on? lol
Totally feels hand drawn!! You should search for @ChibeTTo’s 2D animation he made for the prison fight scene in the first movie. He basically just drew the entire fight and then matched the poses in 3D to the hand-drawn poses and expressions.
They go go crazy on these ngl, Don't they this is gonna be so good and wild
I love watching your videos. I love finding someone who is too exited to talk about an animation technique that they had to add it in the editing process. I want to be just as exited as you when I learn how to properly animate and work in a huge project.
You're a legend for working on the first one🔥
Wow these details are so interesting! I really like when animated films are well thought out on the technical side!
let get schaff classic to 100k subscribers before the end of the year, so we can a bad guy review from schaffrillas productions
Dreamworks slayed Disney with Bad Guys + Puss In Boots in 2022 by pushing story/animation. Excited for this!
yes please do more videos like these!
More of these man! Great analysis!
This is also the first film to be entirely animated by Sony Pictures Imageworks in house btw
Not quite! They are outsourcing a good percentage of this film (which I have many big feelings about) but the majority of this particular film was still done in Glendale.
@@NoTheRobothow much of the film was still animated in Glendale versus Sony imageworks. I heard it’s like half and half 70 percent done in house 50 percent at Sony
Dreamworks always have certain percentage of work done in their own studio.
The Wild Robot had both animators from US and Canada to work on the film
I'm not sure, I don't think that exact percentage will be publicly available so I can only guess based on what I read in Cartoon Brew lol
@@thegiftedfire3470no, it didn’t.
Now I ain’t a furry, but both the wolf AND Diane 😳😳
I loved the first movie so I was surprised to see it get a sequel
Here's hoping for Bad Guys 3!
YOU DIDN’T SEE THE ENDING 😩
Great breakdown! Wish I could learn animation.
Thank you! What's stopping you?
@@NoTheRobot Well, I can learn to create moving images on paper, but I don’t know what I would need specifically to take it to the next level, in terms of equipment, and I’ve struggled to connect with animators.
If you have a computer I'd recommend checking out the software Blender (it's 100% free!). You can also download some free rigs from the website "agora.community" (under Assets) and get started with maniuplating a 3d rig like a puppet. Otherwise you can start learning figure drawing and anatomy - if you know the basics of that then animation is just using some tricks to bring the rest of the drawings to life. Hope that helps!
I GOT THE AD FOR THE TRAILER ON THIS VIDEO OMG
The trailer was sus at the end
That was classic DreamWorks shock factor 👌
Hi, I am a 3D animator, and I'd like to hear more about the effects you worked on for the first film. Can you please give a detailed explanation of what visual elements in the movie you contributed to, I pretty much have a knack for visual effects and explosions and as you can see from the animations that I post on my channel😎
I was the FX coordinator so I didn’t contribute visuals myself. I assisted the team by helping them stay organized, assigning them shots, keeping track of deadlines, and organizing review sessions. I have a whole video on my channel that goes in depth into what I did ua-cam.com/video/K5dr92VgZwI/v-deo.htmlfeature=shared
@@NoTheRobot Interesting
lol why did u miss the last part it's the funniest thing ever
This is technically the third one because of the Christmas one no spoilers
The Christmas holiday special takes place before the first movie I wouldn’t count that
You forgot when snake,s girlfriend is in snake,s mouth
DreamWorks is wayyy better than Pixar with effects and details
Yusss so good 🙂↕️😩
Thank you!!
you didn't mentioned the Akira slide with the car :)
Which shot are you referring to? I didn't see any shot that lines up with how Akira slides are usually blocked out
Wait it was just a zoom in, never mind😅
Can I ask what that half-glove thingamajig thing is that you’re wearing? That just looks really neat.
It’s a drawing glove made by Wacom! It helps my hand slide across my Cintiq easier, also great for drawing on iPads. You can check the link in the description and search on their website for the drawing glove😁
I don’t care what u guys say about this comment but Diane and mr wolf NEED to be a couple in the second movie
Why no analyzing of the last scene in the trailer 😭
Because I realized way too late that I found the ONE version of the trailer where they cut that scene out 🙃
Why did you leave dreamworks?
I left to go work on The Flash 😅
I'm so sorry @@NoTheRobot
Like the movie or the series?
The movie!
@@NoTheRobot yo I’d love to hear abt it 🙂↕️🙂↕️
Was the stylized smoke 3D vfx or 2D hand animated?
Dreamworks are def selling out with their live action dragons movie, but they're at least countering it with actual peak
What's so frustrating is that DreamWorks Animation itself has VERY LITTLE to do with that live action remake. Universal is slapping the DreamWorks name on something that's a slap in the face to the artist that worked on the original - many of whom are STILL at DreamWorks. So if you're gonna blame anyone, blame NBCUniversal.
@@NoTheRobot yeah, it sounds like literally how disney is treating the ice age property. kinda morbidly curious how it'll pan out
The live action dragons movie does still look good though. And I doubt it’s just a shot for shot remake we can’t judge form a teaser trailer
The director said it's not a shot for shot remake, and usually marketing departments will pull the iconic shots memorable to audiences for the trailer.
At around 7:51, I'm curious why go the extra mile to break the character rig to make a shot when instead you can manipulate the virtual camera's FOV and other parameters? Genuinely curious why that isn't an option, or at least the first option for animators.
This exact shot likely wouldn't be possible without some form of rig breaking. If you tried making a wide FOV to achieve this, you might end up hurting the composition of the shot by having everything super stretched to get what you want. That being said, manipulating the FOV and the parameters of the camera is still used in a lot of cases I would assume.
It's a combination of the two! Usually these types of shots with an exaggerated forced perspective have a very wide FOV (usually like a 12-20mm focal length), but that usually only gets them halfway there. It's all about sculpting the pose to be exactly what the animator wants it to be. The camera FOV is usually dictated by the Layout department and between the Layout artist and the Animation artist they will figure out the right balance between the two
But let's be realistic, it is true that in the beginning there was a lot of DreamWorks' work that suggested that it was influenced by the rest of the animation film studios with a touch of their own creativity.
But over the years, they developed a special style and produced distinctive films
Until King Fu Panda came, then How to Train Your Dragon, and then Megamind, this studio gained a special weight.
The same applies to the movie the bad guys
In fact, I saw a lot of critics and analysts whose opinion I did not know about this film
First, they say that the film is a complete imitation in style of the film The Mecheal vs the Machine
Yes, there is a similarity in style
But I enjoyed The Bad Guys much more than that movie
Even if it is similar, the creativity and greatness in the film cannot be overlooked
As critics have begun to criticize incorrectly without impartiality
There is no need to mention the animation company, which if it produces random pictures, critics compete to bring out the creativity in it, even if this work came out spontaneously.
Because I saw that critics were criticizing the movie The Bad Guys
The negatives they mention are illogical, and I have sufficient responses to all negative criticism
In fact, we can say that this is the best comedy, humor and fun film in the last ten years. There does not need to be depth, it is enough to have an idea that is presented cheerfully and with the pleasure of the experience and entertainment.
What do you think about that?
What do you think?
Doesn't DreamWorks deserve any praise and appreciation for their work?
It is true that DreamWorks did not produce as many wonderful films as Disney
But some of their films are masterpieces
It may be the best animated film in history
There are some works that are not fully appreciated
Critics, in the end, are humans influenced by childhood nostalgia
Disney and Pixar's Conan were at the top at one time
Even with the decline in their recent work, many critics still prefer it over other studios
If a new film is released, no matter how much creativity, new things, new ideas and style it contains, critics still find similarities and connections with Pixar films.
Even if the new film offers something distinctive and different, it cannot be appreciated
Because their standards of excellence are what Disney and Pixar did.
If it comes with something new and distinctive and does not agree with what Disney and Pixar were producing, then it is bad
Because their criterion of excellence is not creativity, but rather whether it follows the approach of Pixar and Disney
As I mentioned, DreamWorks does not have a list of distinguished films with the same number of Disney and Pixar films
But it has some films that may be classified as some of the best animated films in history
1- how to train your dragon 1
2- the wild robot
3- Kung Fu Panda 1
4- Kung Fu Panda 2 and 3
5- the bad guys (count as entertaining not for features )
6- push and boots the last wish
7- how to train your dragon 2
8- megamind (underrated)
9- rise of The guardian (underrated)
10- spirit (underrated)
You should react to valorant cinematics its good too
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My favorite part of the movie was the car scenes. They were done amazingly.
790th like I'm new to you by the way.
aw you skipped the last scene! haha
Hey I have question, when you worked at dreamworks, was there homework? Since I saw replying to some comment about the worker doing their homework.
Haha no homework! It’s a figure of speech, I just meant that the FX team does their research very thoroughly to get accurate VFX elements, but there’s no assignments outside of work like there would be for school. Good question though!
Of course you cut off the last bit💀
WHY IS SHE IN HIS MOUTH
im surprised a squel is alrady made, the 1 st movie was like 2 years ago
they literraly stole from despicable me 4
How so?
yo Bro can you Help me make a Movie Thats a video game the Roblox Movie
Bad guys 2 ☑️ or 👎
Im just double checking, are you going to animate the sequel too?
Won't be as good without u🥲
Haha I don't think that's true but thank you :)