Laziness. Why bother with hardware having such high overhead. Same reason games are less and less optimized, given they aren't visually getting better. The restrictions on older games hardware ironically made them better. It's why halo reach looked better than infinite. It wasn't until they released a raytracung patch that infinite caught up a little bit. You see it a lot, actually. Batman Markham is a good example. Technically, the game isn't as good-looking. But the tricks they used to cover shortfalls made it better.
Most likely a backroom deal with storage producers. The gaming industry is hella corrupt. I'd be surprised if it wasn't a ploy to sell more SSDs. I literally have three external SSDs because I have lots of games. Let alone the internal ones...
Why does it seem like its almost impossible for game companies to release a fully functioning game? I don’t remember this being such an issue a decade ago , and the video game industry has only grown since then. What gives?!!!!!!
People keep pre-ordering or buying on day of release so why would t hey bother addressing issues and putting in effort whenever they know the majority of the playerbase will buy it anyway?
The ubiquity of the internet. Publishing companies can now assume that they can push a patch to fix any issues after the fact, so they put it out before it's actually finished to see if the initial sales are even worth actually putting the labor into really finishing it.
Profit. If they can maximise early profit, they will slowly drip feed improvements to the game to maintain the playbase and growth. Smart Business model, but complete dogshit for the fans
@@Mann528 Need a lawsuit over this matter, otherwise things won't change. They advertise a complete product, so not getting one should be assumed as fraud.
@@irksomeaxis2259 Time zones. People in the US and Canada (at the time of writing this comment) still have to wait a few more hours for the game to release. It's now release day in Europe and Australia, but not in the Americas.
I still remember when being a fan became shaky, I was twelve years old when Disney bought out Lucasfilm. Right off the rip I started making Disney princess jokes about it…. years later and I’m not laughing anymore.
@@Leo.de99 I was about to say that your franchise at least isn't being dragged through diarrhea in other media than video games, then I unfortunately remembered about the series. F
Damn who would've guessed? An obvious cashgrab re-release with barely anything "new" is poorly optimized and released with gamebreaking bugs and missing features? Totally unheard of guys!
@@IrishMcScottish It's still not "new" lol, they are 15 year old maps and heroes just brought over, if it's "new" to you because you were too much of a big dummy to look up how to experience them without getting ripped off then idk what to tell you, maybe you do deserve getting scammed huh?
I love that Aspyr couldn't find the original battlefront 2 menu font so they just changed it to like Helvetica or something. I've tried to find that font before too and it's just nonexistent, but there are a few lookalikes out there.
That was the first thing I noticed too, that font is just painfully generic and makes it look like a indie side project, instead of a professional port
@@Rilez616 probably they suffer from nepotism. The game does not have change invert Y option on patch 1.0.2. Also they send different versions of Tomb raider remaster's to Epic store and Steam 😂 Probably one of the easiest job, just check it before send 😂😂😂 I will never ever buy something if Aspyr doing it.
There were people complaining about the Star Wars Dark Forces remaster being $30 dollars cause they thought it was a bit too expensive for what you got, but comparing that to Battlefront Classic Collection at $35 dollars makes that $30 dollar remaster by NightDive a lot more worth buying, cause unlike Aspyr (who just did a simple HD port), NightDive actually did redo all textures and visual assets to make them work on the KEX engine, avoiding some of the visual issues that plague Battlefront Classic Collection due to them using AI to upscale and alter textures, like the odd light source reflected on almost all metallic floor surfaces (plus NightDive doing that also makes the remaster look well on all platforms consistently); and NightDive also redid the cutscenes which look way better than before, plus adding behind the scenes content as well as a playable cut level.
This is depressing, I would’ve been happy to pay twice the current price if they had cross play, functional multiplayer. Hell that’s it. Throw in some actual upscaling (not AI) and a little bit of clone wars content I would’ve been stoked. Now idk if I’ll buy
@@Aaron-fb6mb Same here, I also wish it had cross platform play. It would have definitely made the PC version of the Classic Collection worth it in the end.
Why yes the people gave money to unfinished products instead of money to finished products proves no one gives a shite for some reason but I care to support games made by indie devs who wants to release a good product.
Last game I remember pre-ordering was Gears of War 3. It was a great purchase and I loved it. I can't remember why I decided pre-ordering was stupid, but I'm SO glad I decided early that I wouldn't do it anymore, because countless AAA games have been absolutely atrocious lately
@@Mr.Ford3350 Even the most trusted of game Devs these days cannot be trusted. CDPROJEKT RED with Cyberpunk. Capcom with the underwhelming RE3 Remake. Pre-ordering is an outright scam today.
Only reason anyone was considering buying this collection in the first place was for the multiplayer, and PlayStation players didn’t have the original games but now do. I didn’t hesitate and bought it immediately, been playing since I was a kid and still do every once in a while on my Xbox, I never thought this game would have multilayer again and all of these complaints are justified but it’s also just whining by entitled people, the only issues I can agree with is the download size and some of the cutscenes are glitched, they definitely should have compressed the game. I’ve been playing multiplayer and story and it’s been absolutely fine, the fps stuff is weird, game was absolutely fine and I’m on a ps4 and I was playing for hours after waiting until the preorder clock unlocked. But people tend to forget that UPDATES AND PATCHES EXIST, it’s literally not even 24 hours into release for the US and people are already just whining, give it some time and just enjoy it for what it is until the devs can give it proper attention, people act like it’s the end of the world over these minuscule things and as for the price I don’t see why people even care, countless people that complain about those prices probably turn around and buy ten dollar single cosmetics in mmo games, at least for the price tag your getting two classic games with a functioning multiplayer on console with a PlayStation version that didn’t exist before for all the unfortunates that didn’t get to experience these og masterpieces.
@@40proofbleach81 It’s not even broken that’s the thing, the game is perfectly fine unless the Xbox’s are just inferior or something. Played for hours and it was perfectly fine, there were glitches with the cutscenes but again patches and updates happen and that can be fixed, as for the complaining people need to grow up, you spent money on an obvious cash grab and are going to whine about it when it has some issues? You should all should be thankful it works as well as it does, it’s practically a direct port with a few changes so when people moan and whine about fps or performance then they should get an IQ test because what did you or anyone else expect for a game thats essentially the same exact product as it was from back in 2005 and 2004 besides some upscaled textures? Did you think the consoles they ran on would magically make games from 2004 and 2005 run better? That’s not how it works and the game hasn’t even been out for 24 hours and people are acting like it’s the end of the world, nothing is perfect give the devs some time to evaluate and release information and updates, as for the price tag, yeah it’s a cash grab what did you people expect? most got this for the multiplayer and most that got it for that reason didn’t look into the game so now you or anyone that whine about “performance” and the few glitches with the cutscenes feel cheated due to the fact that they willingly and consciously bought a game from 2004-2005 being released with an upscaled price that WASNT a remaster or remake but pretty much a port and then have the audacity to complain about its performance and it to have not even a lot of issues but like a few if even, i personally only ran into one glitch and that was the end cutscenes glitch. You people bamboozled yourselves is all I have to say, those of us that love star wars and that have consistently played and that love the original battlefronts since they were release, knew what we were getting and if you didn’t then that’s your own foolish mistake, this wasn’t going to be some grand remake from the ground up with new features and mechanics on a new engine, this was just a port with some upscaled textures, functioning multiplayer and the dlc from the original Xbox edition that’s it, so again you people just ripped yourselves off, don’t get mad at the devs or publishers get mad at yourself for expecting a two decade old ps2 era game to run like cod MW3 and be completely flawless. Maybe not “entitleds” the best word to use, more like people are just spoiled by modern games and ignorant when it comes to how games and technology work.
I think the best way for them to have really optimised multiplayer was: 1. Crossplay, much more accessible 2. Better FPS 3. Some sort of free (Fuck in game purchases or total grinds) decal or whatever collection to keep players motivated to play 4. Idk, just more general care and promo
@@Mann528 They clearly didn't add crossplay because they can't be fucked to invest more than the absolute minimum in the game, the most bang for the least buck, why else do you think they're using evidently unoptimized AI upscaled textures? Implementing crossplay takes time and money and no game company nowadays is gonna sink resources in a game that won't make them any cash beyond the initial purchase, this game was born dead, they don't care about the multiplayer.
I really hate to say it, but I trust the fanbase to make a better thing these days than the developers. We have seem some encouraging things like with EAW that just make it a bit easier for the modding community which wasn't overall a big change, but a small one to show they care@@cntmntr3634
I’m buying it either way because I haven’t played this in over a decade since I was a PS2 player. Too many nice emotional memories associated with the game to pass this up.
So i used to be a modder in SWBF days and the install size issue is related to the engine itself and it something they couldn't fix. So each map is compiled with all the assets and textures, there is no sharing of assets between maps. Excluding skins. So if you can imagine how much space is wasted with duplication of the same assets and textures stored separately in each map now with large upscaled textures. Without a complete rewrite of the engine, there was no way around that install size.
@@StarNameKev yeah, if I am remembering correctly, all the assets used in a map would need to be compliled into the individual maps files. Map textures, vehicle and neutral team/npc models, etc would be contained in each map separately.
"without a complete rewrite of the engine" A "complete rewrite" is not necessary at all: you can literally just modify the engine to load common assets from a shared location. This is not unreasonable to expect them to do: they have the source code, they have programmers, and editing source code is a programmer's entire job.
As someone who absolutely loves and enjoys optimizing games for fun. It hurts to see that they couldn't manage to even compress and save size from just textures alone.
Honestly, they could have just used the textures from the previous pc versions, or maybe not scale them to a ludicrous size without meaningful detail added. They look cleaner, sharper, but not an extra 40 gigabytes better.
It 100% is. It feels better on Xbox than the originals, but not by much - certainly not enough to justify the price tag. There’s a bunch of visual bugs as well. It’s just the PC port and nothing more.
@@hazmatt3250this is depressing man idk what I expected. These companies want quick cash now rather than taking a few more weeks to iron things out and show care and passion for the product
@@Aaron-fb6mb honestly we should’ve known it was going to be half-assed given the lack of communication from Aspyr on quite literally any questions the community had about this.
anyone thought that they re-released the game with the mod known as The Ultimate Mod Pack? its mostly for BattleFront 2 but yeah that mod pack is 25-30 GB to itself. Reason why i'll be playing the 2004-2005 versions because frankly why would I pay $35.01 (weird full price but alright) for two games I already have and a mod pack that gives me everything the new release gives. What am I exactly getting? a slightly better texture, yeah no thanks I've played text-based games that had more content than the new shit.
@@domsantiago5444 not really true as Steam (maybe GOG but I dont know) allows the older games to play multiplayer. I've joined and played dozens of game that way
I was so hyped when I first saw that the og battlefronts were being re-released. Then I saw that aspyr was involved, and immediately lost all hope. I'm still.mad about how they handled KOTOR 1 and 2. They NEVER patched out the soft locking bug on Korriban!
@@michaelandreipalon359 Are you dumb? There's the Battlefront Conversion pack for SWBF2 that brings over every map, mode and hero from SWBF1, and the mod scene for Star Wars Battlefront 2 is one of the richest and most active with literal hundreds of really high quality maps and custom content, you clearly have never played it though so of course you run your mouth.
Honestly? I bought it just because I want the gaming industry to see SW Battlefront as a viable franchise to continue. My mods for the classic version are better looking than this and don't take up as much space. Highly recommend the "BF3 Legacy" mod. It recreates a few maps from the cancelled BF3, with the full space to ground conquest mode. Despite engine limitations (particularly draw distance limits) it's an amazing achievement in modding. I hope iamShayman makes a compatible version of the mod for this new collection. A lot of mods for OG BF2 Classic already work natively with this new version. I bet he could make it work.
Can’t wait for this to either undersell or fail and then for publishers to go ‘see? People aren’t interested in these types of Star Wars games anymore’
The multiplayer is unplayable today. Completely jank with matches that last not even 5 minutes. It is only day 1 however and these are 20 year old games so I think these issues are to be expected.
I'm a guy who bought this on PS5 and some of the weirdest things compared to PC, the size is about 30 GB for PS5, but also the aim is absolute garbage, like it feels like I'm fighting some invisible force holding my aim back with no setting to turn up the sensitivity. Was planning to play with a friend and we realized there weren't any party settings and we have to communicate on what sever we're playing on to play together. This release feels like such a joke to be out on a modern console with like no updates from the past 20 years of gaming since this came out. I'm convinced at this point since Battlefront 3 got cancelled this franchise became cursed.
Dont worry they touched what nobody wanted then to touch. Multiplayer is troll mode, and the controls are garbage, not to mention the forces use of inverted flying.
I'd get it for free cause of those devs who'd prefer quick cash over care, oh yeah probably can just pirate it not like it's harmful but in the meantime enjoy other indie games as of now like Nightdive's Star Wars remastered game if ya care about Star Wars.
Why even get the re-release? Modders already did what Aspyr has done and more. I highly recommend the Saga-Edtion mod. Saga Edition not only offers superior maps, more heroes/villains, and additional modes but also incorporates all the features from the re-release. Saga-Edition has the XL mode, an even larger Ultra mode, Hero's VS Villains across all maps, custom maps, enhanced textures, and 4k support. Why bother spending money on what seems like an inferior product when you can simply obtain the original and enhance it with the Saga-Edition mod? Furthermore, even with the mod, the game's size doesn't exceed 10 GB, while Aspyr's re-release is a hefty 60 GB. It's baffling how modders can outshine a well-funded studio. Aspyr's performance, from the disappointing cancelation of the KOTOR remake to the lackluster release of KOTOR on the Switch, is truly disheartening. It's evident they prioritize profit over quality and genuine care for their audience. The decision from LucasArts to cancel the KOTOR remake after the demo says a lot about how little Aspyr actually cares for and does for it's games. None of this should be a surprise. Don't buy the re-release.
Thank you for this, I'm not buying the re release and people are just hyping this up for no reason other than nostalgia. The multiplayer numbers will go down soon after launch imo.
@@sirhenrysimmerson9385 honestly they really will. Game unfortunately doesn't a system in place to keep people playing. 2017 bf2 had star cards and the ability to level up your characters which would keep people playing, this one doesn't have that. I see a lot of players the first maybe couple days then it will be dead.
@@TimKuat At a guess, it will probably fade after about a month, the same way all modern games have really. After that, almost all play will just be groups of friends mucking around
Because that what they are: Mods. This is the first time some of those features are introduced in a Official Capacity which is very important to consider for Non-PC users. Specially those who played the PS2 version (which was the worst version of the game besides the PSP's) or Only had GameCube back then (in fact, this is the first time these are getting released in a Nintendo Product) It's all about the same thing over and over when people speak about the Classic Games. PC have a Modding Community, Console's do not
the lack of marketing was enough for me to know this was gonna be a very lazy port. They made tons in pre orders and now they are gonna have to play catch up with patches
Yeah, the multiplayer so far is a massive let down. Really the only reason I bought it because I never experienced swbf2 multiplayer. In just an hour, I’ve been disconnected about a dozen times, massive frame rate issues, I’m unable to spawn if I try to spawn to quickly when the match starts, the ping on the dedicated servers jumped between 60-220, it seems like everyone is desynced too. Hopefully they show a little love and add stability to mp instead of bailing with the money. Also, the official servers having only 150 tickets is insane. All the matches end in about 3-6 minutes. That’s gotta change too honestly.
This is really upseting because I wanted to play specially because the current multiplayer server are having the same issue, I expected to have a better network for the remaster
50GB for crispy PS2 graphics is crazy. You would think we were getting a legitimate remaster for 50GB. Or atleast alot of new content, not the same content that's been available for decades for xbox and PC players. Also, $40 for an AI upscaled port is crazy and should be free or discounted for owners of the original games. Then, to make things worse, were not getting crossplay? Whats thpoint of this game, I can play the original BF2 on PC with mods that make the graphics significantly better and add hundreds of hours of extra content. This had so much potential but feels like a lazy cash grab.
Most of the stuff here seems pretty small and easy to fix so hopefully they address it pretty quickly when it's released......also for me it says the collection is only 30 GB, is there something I am missing here?
"small and easy to fix" is not even close to true. You can't just do a quick patch on filesize and optimization. And there's no servers that just need a switch flicked to provide better ping. We're dealing with these problems for awhile. The filesize perhaps forever.
AAA company: Can't even do cross platform. Helldivers 2 made by an Indie company on an old game engine that doesn't even have support anymore: Brings it to pc, Xbox and Playstation. At this point, AAA companies have no excuse. Just stop buying their shit. Let them run into the ground and let better companies take their place.
I was desperately hoping this wasn't going to turn out to be a somewhat low effort remaster bordering on a cash grab and that I'd be pleasantly surprised, but... Well, I guess this is the 2020's after all.
I hope to God that this gets patched. If it doesn't, then this game is in trouble. These are all of the issues than I have noticed after less than an hour of gameplay: The wrong font has been used for both games. Misaligned text. The loading screen sound for BF1 is wrong. The clips of the movies in BF2's menus are cheap AI upscales rather than the true 4K footage from the modern releases. Random audio issues causing a loud scratching noise to occur. Voice lines playing way too deep in pitch. Cutscenes not playing. Multiplayer not performing as it should in BF2. No way to un-invert starfighter controls. 1st person is the default setting even though these games are designed to be played in 3rd person (though at least you can still alternate between the two in the settings) The file size is unnecessarily large. And probably more issues that I am still yet to notice.
Something positive to lighten the mood a little, one improvement that I have noticed (for PlayStation 5) is that the game makes use of the adaptive triggers on the Dualsense remote.
The fact that it's a 20 year old game is a double-edged razor. One thinks it should be easy to port over to modern hardware with working multiplayer and all the things, but I'm no developer. So maybe the fact that it's also 20 years old is why it's rough as sand online? 🤔
@@commandergree6510 Yeah, I mostly agree and don't mean it in a negative way. I have only the best hopes for people. However in this case I just want them to release the exact game with as little change. I don't really need any upgrades or I'd get the PC Mods.
Good thing I don't care about online. Only way I ever played it as a kid was bots and that's all I wanna relive with it. Sucks but at least I'll get what I came for.
Same with me. Even if I was interested in online MP, my internet connection is just not good enough. I did have fun playing against bots though. My only real complaint and the only thing I'd even consider buying this remake/remaster/update/whatever, is to fix the legendarily bad bot AI in BF2. Beyond that, I don't care. The games are fine. Leave them be.
At first, excitement Then, skepticism Then no confidence And finally, a depressing reality. What a cash grab shitshow. They upscaled the textures but didn’t OPTIMIZE. They didn’t do any actual work on any of this. Just copied others work, used ai to make the textures, and spent no time optimizing. Pathetic. I feel bad that my friend gifted me this garbage. Gonna venmo him $30 and go back to playing the OG steam release.
1:50 I know not many other people care, but from what it sounds like, they didn’t take any of the exclusive features from other versions such as the PSP version of the games, like the challenges mode and whatnot for BFII. Beings that I grew up playing that version, it makes me a little sad I’m not going to be able to play that stuff again. I was hoping the collection would be totally comprehensive is all.
The original Frontier Elite fit into a 64k executable. The skill of real resource management and streamlining to save time and cpu/gpu cycles is a disappearing art unfortunately.
Im giving my purchase a chance because i can at least relive the battlefront on the go days on my switch. But yea this sounds atrocious with how much stuff seems to be missing
I still don’t understand what was wrong with just adding HarrisonFogs works, BFX, and a cluster of your favorite maps and eras into the original game along with the patches that give you the BF1 maps.
I originally played the two games on Original Xbox. I loved these games so much, that hearing they where getting a re-release especially after playing Dice's versions which I really enjoyed Dice Battlefront II, I pre ordered the Classic Collection on my PS4. Can't wait to play it tomorrow.
I *almost* bought this despite owning already owning Battlefront 2 simply for some solid multiplayer and now there isn’t even that lmao. Very glad I did not cave in. Once I heard it was up-scaled using AI, was over 50GB AND was $35 I checked tf out. Capping at 30fps with no cross play was just the cherry on top. Also, only offering the discount as a preorder for players who owned the OG games is such a greedy middle finger to consumers. I hope this re-released gets downvoted into oblivion on steam.
Even if I am not really looking forward to this game, I am just disappointed in this comment sections overall rudeness towards Eck. Your opinions are ultimately not wanted or needed, and I like his content (Relax on the titles though, PLEASE!). Nostalgia blinded fans are just not looking at this objectively and realising that it just isn't what it should be
your blowing it out of proportion its fine, star wars bf updates did not have anywhere near this tone about the game in his vid. He had concerns for server hosting but I'm certain that will be patched. and were all buying it no matter what anyway for the player population. The pc version has literally one playable server bro and the consoles arnt even up anymore. Its definitely still a must buy for that reason alone
"and were all buying it no matter what anyway for the player population." Who is "we" Idiots will buy this, sensible people such as myself will save their money and invest in a game where the Dev team actually cared about the playerbase.
Forgot to mention that I don't play/ have no interest in playing the PC version. I grew up playing the PS2 version, I'm completely fine with paying for the ability to play Battlefront again without having to track down a working PS2 and CRTV.
Well it's mostly for PlayStation owners I think cause the PS2 version was rough. And the Dualshock 2 sucked donkey balls with it's stick drift and flimsy triggers.
PS5 Download size was ~25 GB. I couldn’t join a single multiplayer lobby. Nice to have for the campaigns I suppose but really hoping they make multiplayer run smoother.
This is not acceptable, I may be getting a refund on Steam if the issues you listed are present. There is no reason on God's green Earth for servers to have issues on a 20 year old game, and it doesn't help Steam seemingly no longer lets you use Wallet funds to buy games as gifts for others, even though it is still money, even if not a credit card. Man, every game recently that I've been hyped for has been a disappointment, wtf is going on
What surprise, a blatant cash grab on nostalgia. Or is it an attempt to falsely take a beloved game, ruin it, and then say to execs who know nothing about it that it didn't work. The AI work was either not properly compressed or has massive amounts of flaws in the textures to be that big. Honestly starting to feel like a scam.
The only thing I have to keep working on with this game is the left and right stick sensitivities. In the original you could move left/right and turn left/right much quicker than this release. It feels clunky to do so. My galactic conquest hasn't had a space battle yet.
I think my only issue is the size. To me frames per second and online are not that important since I usually play games by myself to calm down, though I appreciate you taking time to address them
This video doesn't go over the specifics, but the FPS issue is random. Basically, other users could have hundreds of FPS in a lobby while someone (usually the host) could have 30 FPS or less. In other words, the game will practically run in slow motion while everyone else is running circles around you. You're vastly underestimating the issue.
I think people are overreacting I don't think it's laziness I think that it was quite difficult to port it over not to mention the games 10 years old you can't really expect a lot other than the original game people were over anticipating it's a classic case and it's not like the entire game runs on 30fps multiplayer won't even be active after a month or two I bought it for the single player.
That Multiplayer Issue isn't new btw. It was already in the original. I remember not being able to play with my friend because the symbol in the lower right kept showing up without us having a bad connection. And then everything just ended up being 5 FPS. Same for missing cutscenes. My Battlefront 2 PC version was just missing the cutscenes for some reason. So when I booted up the campaign it just went straight to the mission. I even have evidence for that in my Let's Play (IT's in German though) Not to mention that the original Playstation 2 version had a German dub, while the PC version for some reason didn't and still doesn't. I guess they wanted to be faithful to the original with this.
Seems like youre paying for ease of play. No messing with settings for working on modern PCs. No mods to sift through. This seems like a greater value for console players which i totally get.
@@KaiserMattTygore927 The Reason the PC version of the Battlefront Games from Pandemic Studios (specially BFII 2005) are remembered today is because of the Modding Community stepping in to save these games from going to obscurity and to fix so many issues with the vanilla version of BFII that were never fixed by Pandemic themselves since there was no patching back then and the game was rushed to capitalize on the Episode III craze
Agreed, but (not having a dig at you, but some of the other fuckers in the comments.) people need to stop hating the actual content. His points are very reasonable, and we should NOT NEED a bloody day 1 patch. That people seem to even rely on the now is pathetic and a degradation of what should be a reasonable standard of quality.
@@Mann528 thank you for clarifying, and I agree. While I don’t always agree with Eck, I see his points. It is just a little frustrating that a lot of recent videos have had titles that are vague to the point of me having no idea what the topic is to seemingly click baity
Yeah, I can def see where you are coming from. I have tried to stay away from that kind of click bait but sickness and curiosity got the best of me@@kodyw2960
They patched some of the graphical glitches with a 17 gig update, I still saw some tearing and see-through spots and some stretching on the hoth map. If they can fix that, it should be fine.
So basically it’s another quick cash grab poorly made remaster like the gta trilogy a few years ago, where despite the upscaled graphics it’s a watered down version of the original with a myriad of problems. They can’t keep getting away with thissssss
Look at the comments section lol, they can and will continue to get away with shit like this because gamers are idiots too blinded by nostalgia to care about how badly they're being ripped off, as long as it tickles their nostalgia, they'll buy it, quality notwithstanding.
What's going to happen is about a week from now, a bunch of UA-cam channels will voice their justified criticism and the public will immediately realize how badly they were scammed. It'll probably get buried just as quickly as Starfield was, and everyone will be busy looking forward to whatever new announcement drops. I'm personally hoping people remember it in the same way they did with the GTA "definitive" edition, but I don't think Aspyr messed it up quite that much.
@@cntmntr3634 you’re so right but it’s sad this is the situation we’re in. When are people gonna learn? I still dont understand why there isn’t some sort of quality assurance body that exists in other industries, to test the games and make sure they are up to standard before they can be sold.
I miss when he was a growing channel who actually put effort in. Now every video is about some “huge news” or something major, just for it to be 20 seconds of minor info and then 10 minutes of off topic stuff
Unfortunately I’ve bought the og battlefront2 twice on steam and it fails to boot only showing a black screen so hopefully how I’ll be able to play one of my all time favorite starwars games again
Agreed, but still pissed that "day 1 patches" are common now. I remember when games released as a whole, and IF there was a problem it would be fixed. Now, we expect EVERY game to have a day 1 patch lol
Lmfaooo imagine being so cucked by game companies that you have been conditioned to think "day one patch" is a perfectly fine and normal thing to have, as if it wasn't done only for seriously game-breaking issues in the past, keep licking that boot my man.
@@trashaimgamer7822Actually Battlefront II 2005 (because, despite the amount of content on release, it was so noticable that the game was rushed even more than 2017) did needed a major patch that, because they did not existed, Pandemic never did at all. It was the Modding Community (with the PC version) and Microsoft (with the Xbox version) had to step in and fix the game
Given I am mainly getting the game on my switch to just play and have fun, online play really isnt too big of an issue for me. The size of the file on the other hand is concerning
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Did the game industry collectively forget how to compress files or something? 50 GB is insane.
You mean by remaster standards.
Laziness. Why bother with hardware having such high overhead. Same reason games are less and less optimized, given they aren't visually getting better.
The restrictions on older games hardware ironically made them better. It's why halo reach looked better than infinite. It wasn't until they released a raytracung patch that infinite caught up a little bit.
You see it a lot, actually. Batman Markham is a good example. Technically, the game isn't as good-looking. But the tricks they used to cover shortfalls made it better.
Most likely a backroom deal with storage producers. The gaming industry is hella corrupt. I'd be surprised if it wasn't a ploy to sell more SSDs. I literally have three external SSDs because I have lots of games. Let alone the internal ones...
@@paulovinasrocha6166 it's not a remaster, it's literally just a re-release
@@keshonhend2047Good point. I see the same thing with cell phone storage.
Why does it seem like its almost impossible for game companies to release a fully functioning game?
I don’t remember this being such an issue a decade ago , and the video game industry has only grown since then. What gives?!!!!!!
People keep pre-ordering or buying on day of release so why would t hey bother addressing issues and putting in effort whenever they know the majority of the playerbase will buy it anyway?
That's around the time we skewed from the Berenstein Bears tangent into the Berenstain Bears tangent. Since then, EVERYTHING being made sucks...
The ubiquity of the internet. Publishing companies can now assume that they can push a patch to fix any issues after the fact, so they put it out before it's actually finished to see if the initial sales are even worth actually putting the labor into really finishing it.
Profit. If they can maximise early profit, they will slowly drip feed improvements to the game to maintain the playbase and growth. Smart Business model, but complete dogshit for the fans
@@Mann528 Need a lawsuit over this matter, otherwise things won't change. They advertise a complete product, so not getting one should be assumed as fraud.
The biggest bug is that the 501st journals cutscenes at the end of the missions are completely missing in Battlefront 2 on all platforms
Dont want to be that guy, but they are? I dont have this issue on my xbox One, tho idk if that's one of the platforms you're referring to
How are yall playing it, it's not letting me yet
I did notice that
@@irksomeaxis2259put your location to Australia
@@irksomeaxis2259 Time zones. People in the US and Canada (at the time of writing this comment) still have to wait a few more hours for the game to release. It's now release day in Europe and Australia, but not in the Americas.
Just *once* can we get a proper game launch?
Christ sake man. Shit hasn't been the same since the 360 and PS3 died.
Baldur's gate? For example?
@@donnerrob6615 even that was full of bugs at launch and has had multiple patches, the difference was that wasnt an almost 20yr old game xD
@@donnerrob6615games came out functioning and complete consistently. Now you have very few exceptions, like ballers gate.
Every 1st party Switch game besides Pokemon has had a proper launch
@@donnerrob6615baldur’s gate is an ass game, nothing about it is interesting
Being a Star Wars fan gets harder and harder.
They lost me years ago. 40k fills that void perfectly
I still remember when being a fan became shaky, I was twelve years old when Disney bought out Lucasfilm. Right off the rip I started making Disney princess jokes about it…. years later and I’m not laughing anymore.
Bro it’s the same for us halo veterans
But GW is terrible too 😂@@dimadobrik4516
@@Leo.de99 I was about to say that your franchise at least isn't being dragged through diarrhea in other media than video games, then I unfortunately remembered about the series.
F
Not having crossplatform is the stupidest thing ever
Well, I mean PC hackers ruin gaming.
@@theCantinafan He wants to get sniped by someone using mouse and key. Maybe cross console, pc is on its own.
@@SagaciousNihilist Agreed
@@tennypaiThey call that, "cross generational", not cross platform.
@@SagaciousNihilist just turn crossplay off and your good to go the rest of us can enjoy crossplay
Damn who would've guessed? An obvious cashgrab re-release with barely anything "new" is poorly optimized and released with gamebreaking bugs and missing features? Totally unheard of guys!
Why would you want them to change the game by adding new stuff to it?
@@co.1157 Adding new content does not "change the game" lol, it only gives you more things to do, the core gameplay can remain the same.
@@cntmntr3634
Yea! It doesn't change the game it just adds things to it that wasn't there before...wait
@@IrishMcScottish It's still not "new" lol, they are 15 year old maps and heroes just brought over, if it's "new" to you because you were too much of a big dummy to look up how to experience them without getting ripped off then idk what to tell you, maybe you do deserve getting scammed huh?
If only there was some recent example of Aspyr completely botching a remaster of an old, beloved Star Wars game that we could've used as a warning...
I love that Aspyr couldn't find the original battlefront 2 menu font so they just changed it to like Helvetica or something. I've tried to find that font before too and it's just nonexistent, but there are a few lookalikes out there.
That was the first thing I noticed too, that font is just painfully generic and makes it look like a indie side project, instead of a professional port
It exists. BF1 is Bombardier font and ISL Jupiter is BF2
@@wookieecookies4529bro could tell you what fitness used in your obituary
@@wookieecookies4529you just proved how lazy aspyr is
@@Rilez616 probably they suffer from nepotism. The game does not have change invert Y option on patch 1.0.2. Also they send different versions of Tomb raider remaster's to Epic store and Steam 😂
Probably one of the easiest job, just check it before send 😂😂😂
I will never ever buy something if Aspyr doing it.
There were people complaining about the Star Wars Dark Forces remaster being $30 dollars cause they thought it was a bit too expensive for what you got, but comparing that to Battlefront Classic Collection at $35 dollars makes that $30 dollar remaster by NightDive a lot more worth buying, cause unlike Aspyr (who just did a simple HD port), NightDive actually did redo all textures and visual assets to make them work on the KEX engine, avoiding some of the visual issues that plague Battlefront Classic Collection due to them using AI to upscale and alter textures, like the odd light source reflected on almost all metallic floor surfaces (plus NightDive doing that also makes the remaster look well on all platforms consistently); and NightDive also redid the cutscenes which look way better than before, plus adding behind the scenes content as well as a playable cut level.
This is depressing, I would’ve been happy to pay twice the current price if they had cross play, functional multiplayer. Hell that’s it. Throw in some actual upscaling (not AI) and a little bit of clone wars content I would’ve been stoked. Now idk if I’ll buy
@@Aaron-fb6mb Same here, I also wish it had cross platform play. It would have definitely made the PC version of the Classic Collection worth it in the end.
I was holding off on buying Dark Forces until a sale, but I think Nightdive legitimately deserves the money.
Why yes the people gave money to unfinished products instead of money to finished products proves no one gives a shite for some reason but I care to support games made by indie devs who wants to release a good product.
@generalcjg Why do you want cross platform? The game would be plagued with hackers and snipers using mouse and keyboard
Confirmed what I sadly expected.
I stopped pre-ordering many years ago for reasons such as this.
Quit throwing money into a pit?
Last game I remember pre-ordering was Gears of War 3. It was a great purchase and I loved it. I can't remember why I decided pre-ordering was stupid, but I'm SO glad I decided early that I wouldn't do it anymore, because countless AAA games have been absolutely atrocious lately
@@Mr.Ford3350 Even the most trusted of game Devs these days cannot be trusted.
CDPROJEKT RED with Cyberpunk.
Capcom with the underwhelming RE3 Remake.
Pre-ordering is an outright scam today.
As it is said, "if you can't do anything original, at least do it right."
I see this becoming the norm, re-releases of beloved franchises with AI upscaled graphics for a quick buck. It's insulting if nothing else.
My decision to stick with my OG discs on Series X looking quite vindicated.
Agreed
Only reason anyone was considering buying this collection in the first place was for the multiplayer, and PlayStation players didn’t have the original games but now do. I didn’t hesitate and bought it immediately, been playing since I was a kid and still do every once in a while on my Xbox, I never thought this game would have multilayer again and all of these complaints are justified but it’s also just whining by entitled people, the only issues I can agree with is the download size and some of the cutscenes are glitched, they definitely should have compressed the game. I’ve been playing multiplayer and story and it’s been absolutely fine, the fps stuff is weird, game was absolutely fine and I’m on a ps4 and I was playing for hours after waiting until the preorder clock unlocked. But people tend to forget that UPDATES AND PATCHES EXIST, it’s literally not even 24 hours into release for the US and people are already just whining, give it some time and just enjoy it for what it is until the devs can give it proper attention, people act like it’s the end of the world over these minuscule things and as for the price I don’t see why people even care, countless people that complain about those prices probably turn around and buy ten dollar single cosmetics in mmo games, at least for the price tag your getting two classic games with a functioning multiplayer on console with a PlayStation version that didn’t exist before for all the unfortunates that didn’t get to experience these og masterpieces.
@@Slick-vo9hp Entitled? For buying a 45$ game that is broken on launch.
@@40proofbleach81 It’s not even broken that’s the thing, the game is perfectly fine unless the Xbox’s are just inferior or something. Played for hours and it was perfectly fine, there were glitches with the cutscenes but again patches and updates happen and that can be fixed, as for the complaining people need to grow up, you spent money on an obvious cash grab and are going to whine about it when it has some issues? You should all should be thankful it works as well as it does, it’s practically a direct port with a few changes so when people moan and whine about fps or performance then they should get an IQ test because what did you or anyone else expect for a game thats essentially the same exact product as it was from back in 2005 and 2004 besides some upscaled textures? Did you think the consoles they ran on would magically make games from 2004 and 2005 run better? That’s not how it works and the game hasn’t even been out for 24 hours and people are acting like it’s the end of the world, nothing is perfect give the devs some time to evaluate and release information and updates, as for the price tag, yeah it’s a cash grab what did you people expect? most got this for the multiplayer and most that got it for that reason didn’t look into the game so now you or anyone that whine about “performance” and the few glitches with the cutscenes feel cheated due to the fact that they willingly and consciously bought a game from 2004-2005 being released with an upscaled price that WASNT a remaster or remake but pretty much a port and then have the audacity to complain about its performance and it to have not even a lot of issues but like a few if even, i personally only ran into one glitch and that was the end cutscenes glitch. You people bamboozled yourselves is all I have to say, those of us that love star wars and that have consistently played and that love the original battlefronts since they were release, knew what we were getting and if you didn’t then that’s your own foolish mistake, this wasn’t going to be some grand remake from the ground up with new features and mechanics on a new engine, this was just a port with some upscaled textures, functioning multiplayer and the dlc from the original Xbox edition that’s it, so again you people just ripped yourselves off, don’t get mad at the devs or publishers get mad at yourself for expecting a two decade old ps2 era game to run like cod MW3 and be completely flawless. Maybe not “entitleds” the best word to use, more like people are just spoiled by modern games and ignorant when it comes to how games and technology work.
@@Slick-vo9hpDick riding world champion 2024
If people are getting this for multiplayer, sure why not.
Just keep telling these companies that low effort rehashes like this are okay.
I think the best way for them to have really optimised multiplayer was:
1. Crossplay, much more accessible
2. Better FPS
3. Some sort of free (Fuck in game purchases or total grinds) decal or whatever collection to keep players motivated to play
4. Idk, just more general care and promo
@@Mann528 They clearly didn't add crossplay because they can't be fucked to invest more than the absolute minimum in the game, the most bang for the least buck, why else do you think they're using evidently unoptimized AI upscaled textures? Implementing crossplay takes time and money and no game company nowadays is gonna sink resources in a game that won't make them any cash beyond the initial purchase, this game was born dead, they don't care about the multiplayer.
I really hate to say it, but I trust the fanbase to make a better thing these days than the developers. We have seem some encouraging things like with EAW that just make it a bit easier for the modding community which wasn't overall a big change, but a small one to show they care@@cntmntr3634
I’m buying it either way because I haven’t played this in over a decade since I was a PS2 player. Too many nice emotional memories associated with the game to pass this up.
And the online multiplayer doesn’t even work either. The lag is so bad on it
So i used to be a modder in SWBF days and the install size issue is related to the engine itself and it something they couldn't fix. So each map is compiled with all the assets and textures, there is no sharing of assets between maps. Excluding skins. So if you can imagine how much space is wasted with duplication of the same assets and textures stored separately in each map now with large upscaled textures. Without a complete rewrite of the engine, there was no way around that install size.
Was this always an issue with the original release though?
@@StarNameKev yeah, if I am remembering correctly, all the assets used in a map would need to be compliled into the individual maps files. Map textures, vehicle and neutral team/npc models, etc would be contained in each map separately.
"without a complete rewrite of the engine"
A "complete rewrite" is not necessary at all: you can literally just modify the engine to load common assets from a shared location. This is not unreasonable to expect them to do: they have the source code, they have programmers, and editing source code is a programmer's entire job.
As someone who absolutely loves and enjoys optimizing games for fun.
It hurts to see that they couldn't manage to even compress and save size from just textures alone.
Honestly, they could have just used the textures from the previous pc versions, or maybe not scale them to a ludicrous size without meaningful detail added.
They look cleaner, sharper, but not an extra 40 gigabytes better.
Game looks fun but feels like a lazy rerelease tbh
It 100% is. It feels better on Xbox than the originals, but not by much - certainly not enough to justify the price tag. There’s a bunch of visual bugs as well. It’s just the PC port and nothing more.
@@hazmatt3250this is depressing man idk what I expected. These companies want quick cash now rather than taking a few more weeks to iron things out and show care and passion for the product
@@Aaron-fb6mb honestly we should’ve known it was going to be half-assed given the lack of communication from Aspyr on quite literally any questions the community had about this.
Been playing new zealend servers today and the game is good. Can’t say for multiplayer as the server connection is bad for me there.
@@MysticEdge97 what console brother
anyone thought that they re-released the game with the mod known as The Ultimate Mod Pack?
its mostly for BattleFront 2 but yeah that mod pack is 25-30 GB to itself.
Reason why i'll be playing the 2004-2005 versions because frankly why would I pay $35.01 (weird full price but alright) for two games I already have and a mod pack that gives me everything the new release gives. What am I exactly getting? a slightly better texture, yeah no thanks I've played text-based games that had more content than the new shit.
Its mostly meant for people who want to play multiplayer or dont have any console to play the game
are the servers shared between 2004-2005 version and the classic collection ?
@@LeCoffeeMonsterno if you want to play multiplayer you need collection
@@domsantiago5444 not really true as Steam (maybe GOG but I dont know) allows the older games to play multiplayer. I've joined and played dozens of game that way
Ok. Then be happy on the pc we dont have or want
How did they fuck this up?
So pretty much the Star wars version of the GTA Trilogy release. Buwhahahaha not surprised tbh.
nah, those were remasters, this was a re-release and they still screwed it.
@@SagaciousNihilist touché
It could've been a lot worse if they did a remaster in the same vain as The Definitive Edition of GTA Trilogy
This game is 20gbs away from Battlefront 2... Remake
I was so hyped when I first saw that the og battlefronts were being re-released. Then I saw that aspyr was involved, and immediately lost all hope. I'm still.mad about how they handled KOTOR 1 and 2. They NEVER patched out the soft locking bug on Korriban!
Just buy the originals for 10 dollars and get the remastered mod. Only thing this has that'd be worth it is achievements
And the supported online play.
@@michaelandreipalon359 ; All of that and more is mod-able into the classic version. Lmao.
This doesn’t take into account console players
@@michaelandreipalon359 Are you dumb? There's the Battlefront Conversion pack for SWBF2 that brings over every map, mode and hero from SWBF1, and the mod scene for Star Wars Battlefront 2 is one of the richest and most active with literal hundreds of really high quality maps and custom content, you clearly have never played it though so of course you run your mouth.
i'll just mod my xbox, sure
Honestly? I bought it just because I want the gaming industry to see SW Battlefront as a viable franchise to continue. My mods for the classic version are better looking than this and don't take up as much space.
Highly recommend the "BF3 Legacy" mod. It recreates a few maps from the cancelled BF3, with the full space to ground conquest mode. Despite engine limitations (particularly draw distance limits) it's an amazing achievement in modding. I hope iamShayman makes a compatible version of the mod for this new collection. A lot of mods for OG BF2 Classic already work natively with this new version. I bet he could make it work.
1:37.
Looks like the stormtrooper and clone trooper teamed up.
They didnt even include invert options for controls. They had that option in the orginals
I feel like we can't have nice things anymore in gaming now.
Anything new that is hyped is a let down
Can’t wait for this to either undersell or fail and then for publishers to go ‘see? People aren’t interested in these types of Star Wars games anymore’
Def thought Eck was being alarmist but I respect the take after watching the whole video
how is your default state regarding star wars games NOT alarmist???
The multiplayer is unplayable today. Completely jank with matches that last not even 5 minutes. It is only day 1 however and these are 20 year old games so I think these issues are to be expected.
As long as the online play is sorted I'll be happy
@JJGray21 PS5 too. Honestly might refund the servers are a joke
PC is pretty bad aswell.
@@twizms7362 almost impossible to get a refund with ps5
@@twizms7362they fixed them
@@JJGray21the aiming is sluggish and slow.
Reminder that Star Wars battlefront 2 (2017) is pretty good right now. Wish they kept adding stuff to it though
A lot of these issues will probably be fixed, but holy fuck, why are they even there in the first place?
I'm a guy who bought this on PS5 and some of the weirdest things compared to PC, the size is about 30 GB for PS5, but also the aim is absolute garbage, like it feels like I'm fighting some invisible force holding my aim back with no setting to turn up the sensitivity. Was planning to play with a friend and we realized there weren't any party settings and we have to communicate on what sever we're playing on to play together. This release feels like such a joke to be out on a modern console with like no updates from the past 20 years of gaming since this came out. I'm convinced at this point since Battlefront 3 got cancelled this franchise became cursed.
What is up with the lighting inside the venator? It looks so bad.
What do you expect on a game that was made 20 years ago
@@XCentis nice bait
From what I've seen, it really feels like Aspyr did the absolute bare minimum in regards to this re-release.
I'm fine with that. Didn't want them to touch to much. But they need to put some love into the multiplayer.
Dont worry they touched what nobody wanted then to touch. Multiplayer is troll mode, and the controls are garbage, not to mention the forces use of inverted flying.
i shall wait for it to be on sale and some updates then before buying
I'd get it for free cause of those devs who'd prefer quick cash over care, oh yeah probably can just pirate it not like it's harmful but in the meantime enjoy other indie games as of now like Nightdive's Star Wars remastered game if ya care about Star Wars.
Why even get the re-release? Modders already did what Aspyr has done and more. I highly recommend the Saga-Edtion mod. Saga Edition not only offers superior maps, more heroes/villains, and additional modes but also incorporates all the features from the re-release. Saga-Edition has the XL mode, an even larger Ultra mode, Hero's VS Villains across all maps, custom maps, enhanced textures, and 4k support. Why bother spending money on what seems like an inferior product when you can simply obtain the original and enhance it with the Saga-Edition mod? Furthermore, even with the mod, the game's size doesn't exceed 10 GB, while Aspyr's re-release is a hefty 60 GB. It's baffling how modders can outshine a well-funded studio. Aspyr's performance, from the disappointing cancelation of the KOTOR remake to the lackluster release of KOTOR on the Switch, is truly disheartening. It's evident they prioritize profit over quality and genuine care for their audience. The decision from LucasArts to cancel the KOTOR remake after the demo says a lot about how little Aspyr actually cares for and does for it's games. None of this should be a surprise. Don't buy the re-release.
Thank you for this, I'm not buying the re release and people are just hyping this up for no reason other than nostalgia. The multiplayer numbers will go down soon after launch imo.
@@sirhenrysimmerson9385 honestly they really will. Game unfortunately doesn't a system in place to keep people playing. 2017 bf2 had star cards and the ability to level up your characters which would keep people playing, this one doesn't have that. I see a lot of players the first maybe couple days then it will be dead.
@@TimKuat 2017 battlefront 2 is great imo, can play it loads and doesn't get boring. Sick of people dunking on 2017 because of its release.
@@TimKuat At a guess, it will probably fade after about a month, the same way all modern games have really. After that, almost all play will just be groups of friends mucking around
Because that what they are: Mods.
This is the first time some of those features are introduced in a Official Capacity which is very important to consider for Non-PC users. Specially those who played the PS2 version (which was the worst version of the game besides the PSP's) or Only had GameCube back then (in fact, this is the first time these are getting released in a Nintendo Product)
It's all about the same thing over and over when people speak about the Classic Games. PC have a Modding Community, Console's do not
the lack of marketing was enough for me to know this was gonna be a very lazy port.
They made tons in pre orders and now they are gonna have to play catch up with patches
Yeah, the multiplayer so far is a massive let down. Really the only reason I bought it because I never experienced swbf2 multiplayer. In just an hour, I’ve been disconnected about a dozen times, massive frame rate issues, I’m unable to spawn if I try to spawn to quickly when the match starts, the ping on the dedicated servers jumped between 60-220, it seems like everyone is desynced too. Hopefully they show a little love and add stability to mp instead of bailing with the money. Also, the official servers having only 150 tickets is insane. All the matches end in about 3-6 minutes. That’s gotta change too honestly.
This is really upseting because I wanted to play specially because the current multiplayer server are having the same issue, I expected to have a better network for the remaster
50GB for crispy PS2 graphics is crazy. You would think we were getting a legitimate remaster for 50GB. Or atleast alot of new content, not the same content that's been available for decades for xbox and PC players. Also, $40 for an AI upscaled port is crazy and should be free or discounted for owners of the original games. Then, to make things worse, were not getting crossplay? Whats thpoint of this game, I can play the original BF2 on PC with mods that make the graphics significantly better and add hundreds of hours of extra content. This had so much potential but feels like a lazy cash grab.
Most of the stuff here seems pretty small and easy to fix so hopefully they address it pretty quickly when it's released......also for me it says the collection is only 30 GB, is there something I am missing here?
It’s a hidden 50gb I had the same thing till it actually started downloading 🥲
"small and easy to fix" is not even close to true. You can't just do a quick patch on filesize and optimization. And there's no servers that just need a switch flicked to provide better ping. We're dealing with these problems for awhile. The filesize perhaps forever.
Locked at 30 FPS in multiplayer is small?
@@Krovos_ Only for the host, there seems to be an underlying issue there that I'm sure could have a simple solution that a patch could fix
@@bradleyc6564 "You can just do a quick patch on filesize and optimization" Completely goes against your first point.
AAA company: Can't even do cross platform.
Helldivers 2 made by an Indie company on an old game engine that doesn't even have support anymore: Brings it to pc, Xbox and Playstation.
At this point, AAA companies have no excuse. Just stop buying their shit. Let them run into the ground and let better companies take their place.
I was desperately hoping this wasn't going to turn out to be a somewhat low effort remaster bordering on a cash grab and that I'd be pleasantly surprised, but... Well, I guess this is the 2020's after all.
Same thoughts brother
This is the first time I’ve been excited for any game in a long time lmao
I haven’t see much issues for single player, I don’t care for multiplayer because that not what this game is to me
Why am I frame locked at 30 fps for game that came out in 2005???
I hope to God that this gets patched. If it doesn't, then this game is in trouble. These are all of the issues than I have noticed after less than an hour of gameplay:
The wrong font has been used for both games.
Misaligned text.
The loading screen sound for BF1 is wrong.
The clips of the movies in BF2's menus are cheap AI upscales rather than the true 4K footage from the modern releases.
Random audio issues causing a loud scratching noise to occur.
Voice lines playing way too deep in pitch.
Cutscenes not playing.
Multiplayer not performing as it should in BF2.
No way to un-invert starfighter controls.
1st person is the default setting even though these games are designed to be played in 3rd person (though at least you can still alternate between the two in the settings)
The file size is unnecessarily large.
And probably more issues that I am still yet to notice.
Something positive to lighten the mood a little, one improvement that I have noticed (for PlayStation 5) is that the game makes use of the adaptive triggers on the Dualsense remote.
Welp wish this video was up before I bought it darn
NEVER PRE ORDER OR BUY DAY 1
The fact that it's a 20 year old game is a double-edged razor.
One thinks it should be easy to port over to modern hardware with working multiplayer and all the things, but I'm no developer. So maybe the fact that it's also 20 years old is why it's rough as sand online? 🤔
@@co.1157 well you’d think it would be common sense a 20 year old game would get only upgrades but apparently I was wrong
@@commandergree6510 Do you know what year we're currently in?
@@commandergree6510 Yeah, I mostly agree and don't mean it in a negative way. I have only the best hopes for people. However in this case I just want them to release the exact game with as little change. I don't really need any upgrades or I'd get the PC Mods.
I never in my life heard someone complain about a game’s menu and the GB size. Grow up, bunch of babies. This game is amazing
Good thing I don't care about online. Only way I ever played it as a kid was bots and that's all I wanna relive with it. Sucks but at least I'll get what I came for.
Seems like what you came for is the original releases. Why would you get this objectively worse version without campaign cutscenes?
Same with me. Even if I was interested in online MP, my internet connection is just not good enough. I did have fun playing against bots though. My only real complaint and the only thing I'd even consider buying this remake/remaster/update/whatever, is to fix the legendarily bad bot AI in BF2. Beyond that, I don't care. The games are fine. Leave them be.
Then save your money and play the originals lmao theyre better
Just pay the $10 for the original, my guy. Don't over spend for this garbage knock off.
@@TheArbiterSux i got 501st cutscenes
The complete lack of effort on something that required nearly zero to begin with is unreal
I just want nostalgia with better graphics
Here's hoping they fix these issues going forward.
They messed up The first battlefront loading screen I want the old one back
At first, excitement
Then, skepticism
Then no confidence
And finally, a depressing reality.
What a cash grab shitshow. They upscaled the textures but didn’t OPTIMIZE. They didn’t do any actual work on any of this. Just copied others work, used ai to make the textures, and spent no time optimizing.
Pathetic. I feel bad that my friend gifted me this garbage. Gonna venmo him $30 and go back to playing the OG steam release.
The main issue for me here is the file size and AI upscaling use.
1:50 I know not many other people care, but from what it sounds like, they didn’t take any of the exclusive features from other versions such as the PSP version of the games, like the challenges mode and whatnot for BFII.
Beings that I grew up playing that version, it makes me a little sad I’m not going to be able to play that stuff again. I was hoping the collection would be totally comprehensive is all.
The original Frontier Elite fit into a 64k executable. The skill of real resource management and streamlining to save time and cpu/gpu cycles is a disappearing art unfortunately.
That seems wild to me now lol
I called it I freaking called it as soon as I saw the file size I knew it was gonna be a half baked cash grab
Im giving my purchase a chance because i can at least relive the battlefront on the go days on my switch. But yea this sounds atrocious with how much stuff seems to be missing
*Stares lovingly over at my original Xbox*
“Don’t worry old friend, you’re still the GOAT.”
Me looking happily at PS2: Well old chap you still got it. :)
I've never played the original BF1 and 2 so I'm just hoping for solid gameplay
I still don’t understand what was wrong with just adding HarrisonFogs works, BFX, and a cluster of your favorite maps and eras into the original game along with the patches that give you the BF1 maps.
I originally played the two games on Original Xbox. I loved these games so much, that hearing they where getting a re-release especially after playing Dice's versions which I really enjoyed Dice Battlefront II, I pre ordered the Classic Collection on my PS4. Can't wait to play it tomorrow.
Same i bought it so i can play split screen coop with my friends again. I miss these times
I *almost* bought this despite owning already owning Battlefront 2 simply for some solid multiplayer and now there isn’t even that lmao.
Very glad I did not cave in.
Once I heard it was up-scaled using AI, was over 50GB AND was $35 I checked tf out.
Capping at 30fps with no cross play was just the cherry on top.
Also, only offering the discount as a preorder for players who owned the OG games is such a greedy middle finger to consumers.
I hope this re-released gets downvoted into oblivion on steam.
Even if I am not really looking forward to this game, I am just disappointed in this comment sections overall rudeness towards Eck. Your opinions are ultimately not wanted or needed, and I like his content (Relax on the titles though, PLEASE!). Nostalgia blinded fans are just not looking at this objectively and realising that it just isn't what it should be
£40 for a bad remaster is crazy
That is more than the epic launcher + fornite + lego fortnite
Thats actually INSANE
Or more than TF2
I'll just stick with the PC and ps2 versions of the 2005 game. Ty
your blowing it out of proportion its fine, star wars bf updates did not have anywhere near this tone about the game in his vid. He had concerns for server hosting but I'm certain that will be patched. and were all buying it no matter what anyway for the player population. The pc version has literally one playable server bro and the consoles arnt even up anymore. Its definitely still a must buy for that reason alone
"and were all buying it no matter what anyway for the player population."
Who is "we"
Idiots will buy this, sensible people such as myself will save their money and invest in a game where the Dev team actually cared about the playerbase.
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I'm sorry you're so full of hate and negativity in the comment section. I hope you find peace in this life
@@universesixhit642 I play Dayz on a daily basis bro you can’t tell me shit
@@IrishMcScottish That isn't hate, that's facts.
@@Great_Lakes_Discus Fair.
I'm going to hold onto my copy, but if these issues don't get fixed within that 2 week period, I'm refunding it
Will only buy a physical copy
Why?
@@paulaccuardi90711. You can refund. 2. You Actually own the game not a license 3. You can resell 4. Its a fine addition to my collection
Good luck
How do u play the XL mode
I have no interest in online. I'm getting to play Battlefront again. The only thing that concerns me is the possible lack of cutscenes.
Turns out they already re released battlefront a few years ago. Just without all of these issues
The originals are still for sale digitaly
Just but the og then, dont be stupid
Forgot to mention that I don't play/ have no interest in playing the PC version. I grew up playing the PS2 version, I'm completely fine with paying for the ability to play Battlefront again without having to track down a working PS2 and CRTV.
Is it possible to use Splitscreen with player 1 keyboard and player 2 controller?
I still don't understand why I'd buy this game instead of the originals that I can use on my old school Xbox .. it doesn't make sense to me.
mostly for the online play
Cool story bro
Well it's mostly for PlayStation owners I think cause the PS2 version was rough. And the Dualshock 2 sucked donkey balls with it's stick drift and flimsy triggers.
PS5 Download size was ~25 GB. I couldn’t join a single multiplayer lobby. Nice to have for the campaigns I suppose but really hoping they make multiplayer run smoother.
This is not acceptable, I may be getting a refund on Steam if the issues you listed are present. There is no reason on God's green Earth for servers to have issues on a 20 year old game, and it doesn't help Steam seemingly no longer lets you use Wallet funds to buy games as gifts for others, even though it is still money, even if not a credit card. Man, every game recently that I've been hyped for has been a disappointment, wtf is going on
What surprise, a blatant cash grab on nostalgia. Or is it an attempt to falsely take a beloved game, ruin it, and then say to execs who know nothing about it that it didn't work. The AI work was either not properly compressed or has massive amounts of flaws in the textures to be that big. Honestly starting to feel like a scam.
Honestly the fact that it’s not crossplay completely kills any interest I have in this
Ya that's brutal.
😂
Because if there's 1 things console players love, it's playing against PC players 🤣
The only thing I have to keep working on with this game is the left and right stick sensitivities. In the original you could move left/right and turn left/right much quicker than this release. It feels clunky to do so. My galactic conquest hasn't had a space battle yet.
I think my only issue is the size. To me frames per second and online are not that important since I usually play games by myself to calm down, though I appreciate you taking time to address them
This video doesn't go over the specifics, but the FPS issue is random. Basically, other users could have hundreds of FPS in a lobby while someone (usually the host) could have 30 FPS or less. In other words, the game will practically run in slow motion while everyone else is running circles around you. You're vastly underestimating the issue.
I think people are overreacting I don't think it's laziness I think that it was quite difficult to port it over not to mention the games 10 years old you can't really expect a lot other than the original game people were over anticipating it's a classic case and it's not like the entire game runs on 30fps multiplayer won't even be active after a month or two I bought it for the single player.
That Multiplayer Issue isn't new btw. It was already in the original. I remember not being able to play with my friend because the symbol in the lower right kept showing up without us having a bad connection. And then everything just ended up being 5 FPS.
Same for missing cutscenes. My Battlefront 2 PC version was just missing the cutscenes for some reason. So when I booted up the campaign it just went straight to the mission. I even have evidence for that in my Let's Play (IT's in German though)
Not to mention that the original Playstation 2 version had a German dub, while the PC version for some reason didn't and still doesn't. I guess they wanted to be faithful to the original with this.
Always loving your videos and i hope you get a good talk ok your podcast my guy🙏🙏
Seems like youre paying for ease of play. No messing with settings for working on modern PCs. No mods to sift through. This seems like a greater value for console players which i totally get.
And that's the thing. This Re-release is aimed mainly for the Console Crowd. Specially those who played on PS2 or only had a GameCube back then
"No mods to sift through"
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@@KaiserMattTygore927 The Reason the PC version of the Battlefront Games from Pandemic Studios (specially BFII 2005) are remembered today is because of the Modding Community stepping in to save these games from going to obscurity and to fix so many issues with the vanilla version of BFII that were never fixed by Pandemic themselves since there was no patching back then and the game was rushed to capitalize on the Episode III craze
It is a test for us gamers to fix to make it better
Eck, I love you man, but you gotta knock it off with these video titles
Agreed, but (not having a dig at you, but some of the other fuckers in the comments.) people need to stop hating the actual content. His points are very reasonable, and we should NOT NEED a bloody day 1 patch. That people seem to even rely on the now is pathetic and a degradation of what should be a reasonable standard of quality.
@@Mann528 thank you for clarifying, and I agree. While I don’t always agree with Eck, I see his points. It is just a little frustrating that a lot of recent videos have had titles that are vague to the point of me having no idea what the topic is to seemingly click baity
Yeah, I can def see where you are coming from. I have tried to stay away from that kind of click bait but sickness and curiosity got the best of me@@kodyw2960
They patched some of the graphical glitches with a 17 gig update, I still saw some tearing and see-through spots and some stretching on the hoth map. If they can fix that, it should be fine.
So basically it’s another quick cash grab poorly made remaster like the gta trilogy a few years ago, where despite the upscaled graphics it’s a watered down version of the original with a myriad of problems. They can’t keep getting away with thissssss
Look at the comments section lol, they can and will continue to get away with shit like this because gamers are idiots too blinded by nostalgia to care about how badly they're being ripped off, as long as it tickles their nostalgia, they'll buy it, quality notwithstanding.
What's going to happen is about a week from now, a bunch of UA-cam channels will voice their justified criticism and the public will immediately realize how badly they were scammed.
It'll probably get buried just as quickly as Starfield was, and everyone will be busy looking forward to whatever new announcement drops.
I'm personally hoping people remember it in the same way they did with the GTA "definitive" edition, but I don't think Aspyr messed it up quite that much.
@@cntmntr3634 you’re so right but it’s sad this is the situation we’re in. When are people gonna learn? I still dont understand why there isn’t some sort of quality assurance body that exists in other industries, to test the games and make sure they are up to standard before they can be sold.
When loading "quick match" in multiplayer it can load matches that require passwords.
Unsubbed. Tired of clickbait
How was it clickbait? I’m just starting to watch it.
"1 comment on this channel"
@@co.1157irrelevant comment
I miss when he was a growing channel who actually put effort in. Now every video is about some “huge news” or something major, just for it to be 20 seconds of minor info and then 10 minutes of off topic stuff
Wait, what.
Unfortunately I’ve bought the og battlefront2 twice on steam and it fails to boot only showing a black screen so hopefully how I’ll be able to play one of my all time favorite starwars games again
Disable the discord overlay for the game if you're using it. Worked for me.
@PAINBRINGER tried that but for some reason it did give me sound I was playing a blind clone for a sec lol
Seriously? The day 1 patch isn't even applied yet ffs. It isnt fully released yet. Wait a day or two before you make a verdict.
Agreed, but still pissed that "day 1 patches" are common now. I remember when games released as a whole, and IF there was a problem it would be fixed. Now, we expect EVERY game to have a day 1 patch lol
The original releases didn't need a day one patch.
Lmfaooo imagine being so cucked by game companies that you have been conditioned to think "day one patch" is a perfectly fine and normal thing to have, as if it wasn't done only for seriously game-breaking issues in the past, keep licking that boot my man.
@@trashaimgamer7822Actually Battlefront II 2005 (because, despite the amount of content on release, it was so noticable that the game was rushed even more than 2017) did needed a major patch that, because they did not existed, Pandemic never did at all. It was the Modding Community (with the PC version) and Microsoft (with the Xbox version) had to step in and fix the game
you were literally in my game earlier today, it was cool
Why would you expect the AI to be smarter just because it's on more powerful systems? They would have to make improved AI code to do that.
Does anyone know if you’ll be able to play galactic conquest with friends online? Like in the split screen mode but online?
Unfortunately from the reviews I’ve watched , you can’t do that. That would be amazing though
@@Aaron-fb6mb Damn, ya I loaded the game up and it doesn’t look like it either 😭🤷♀️
Given I am mainly getting the game on my switch to just play and have fun, online play really isnt too big of an issue for me. The size of the file on the other hand is concerning
Good thing I just upgrade my sd card to a TB
I’m happy with what I’m experiencing right now…..This is my first experiences with the OG Battlefront games and I’m loving them so far!