I believe the concept applies to the backhand with some slight adjustments: For the forehand swing, the force (HPL) is directed perpendicular to the forearm as mentioned, so the direction of the force can be aimed using the forearm. For backhand, the natural tendency of the force at the HPL is to go from back left to forward right because of swing of the wrist. If we want the HPL force to go directly forward , we have to push the elbow in and forward during active phase while extending the forearm slightly. So aiming forward with backhand would consist of small adjustments of the elbow and forearm so that HPL force from the wrist goes straight forward, instead of from back left to forward right. Is this correct?
exactly, but the point was only to show how energy focusing is working. minor details about execution of strokes (moreover backhand) depends a lot on players stance, preferences of side, approach to cover the table space and so on. More about it in later episodes. However idea stays still the same.
I find it hard to understand. It's the third time watching the video. I do like the concept and the detail that these videos go into but better illustration maybe needed. I understand that it's a work in progress. But would it be possible to maybe have a person holding the bat and showing the proper swing. Looking forward to watch the other videos. Thanks for sharing your knowledge and time.
After i watch some of video.. i cant understand at all what he /she try to explain to us (me). Its like learning math at school. Maybe in future, u can make video more realistic with some real photo or real video.. actually i like ur video but it really hard for me to understand.. if possible u can make it simple. Thx 😔
We are aware of it. Please start by understanding REDESIGNED EPISODES. Ep.01 is done, Ep.02 coming next, Ep.03 is done also. Be patient - channel is evolving. Thank you for you input.
Hi. I like to follow and think about your ideas. The animation in this episode, seems not to be in the best view angle. It's getting too abstract. I think, showing from behind on the right (like good views in matches) will help for understanding and "feeling".
Hi Jochen. Angle is chosen purposely, but we forgot to add lines to the animation showing how elbow point is aimed to the starting point (OUT), and that forearm is going to the point in front of ball (IN - through the ball) in such way that arm is aligned with the path of the ball played (parallel to the path - paused video segment before follow through). actually cube edge pointing viewers way is showing direction of played ball. I hope it make sense now.
@@DESANGGG Thanks for your answer. I think I understood well. My point was just, that it would be more natural, when you watch from behind. It gives a better identification for a player. A question to your concept, as you mentioned Chinese players und rubbers: as I understand, the Chinese way to hit is by rotating the core (power from the ground). The shoulder makes a 90° move. Starting vertically to the table (which puts energy to the hips) and ending parallel to it (more or less). The arm is an extension of the core/shoulder and the forearm is mainly making the follow through after hitting the ball. (Need to ask Ma Long, if my description is right 👀) ua-cam.com/video/g5enIx_TVJA/v-deo.html Is this just a different way of description or do you recommend a different technique? More European style?
It is hard to transfer imagination to the audience. Some people are more gifted than the others in this area. We are just trying to learn people how to think about the game in different terms. This is the hard one. One more video will be needed for completeness. Jochen thank you for your valuable inputs. Well, table tennis feels completely different for your body than it looks. That is why it is technically such difficult sport. You need to coordinate so many joints in 3D space with pefect ratio of speeds for each of them. We are thinking about forehand active phase as a virtual CONE attached to a ROD. CONE is spanning the hitting space (rotation in X for more consicitency). If you can focus energy at the time of hitting, such that elbow if pushing this cone foreward (with parabolical base - due to natural racket angle adjustments) to the ball. If alignment is correct at the point of hitting, and this base is aligned perpendicular to the path of the ball, you will see natural angles of your arm joint atwork, transfering all the energy to the ball. all rotation movements will add up. LEGS, BODY, SHOUDLER, ELBOW - wrist is the last one (squeezing the paddle). You can swing the rod under the perfect angle towards starting point (in the animation) by addition of CORE rotation around Z axis and Shoulder rotation around X axis. This approach can cover so many circumstances and you will have perfect accuracy and consistency. And we think than Ma Long have hardcoded exactly this process in his muscle memory. That is why his forehand is so unique, because even some chinese players are doing only some parts of this energy focusing or have different timing. Ma Long can focus only on the points we descibed in the video and have perect shot every time with full power. If you can see it this way, it will not be as hard to command your body joints also to construct this movement. Hope this helps to your imagination :) This is the best explanation we can think of at the moment.
Thank you, please note that everything you learn in life is difficult at the time. We are offering completely new perspective to TT so it takes time to absorb it. After some time you will see how it all fits together. Be patient.
@@DESANGGG I mean Ilustration on 2:17 Hook is the same as 5.24. Cant get how you change ball direction (aim by elbow / align forearm with desired direction)
@@lukaszk4373 next CONCEPT video will be about this approach in the animation. difference is that in first 3 approaches (illustrations) you use only rotation of the body or shouder joint and rigid arm to hit the ball. Many players do it this way. It was mentioned in video that many players have stiff hands. This was ment by it. new video is almost finished. You will see the diference.
It does work for the backhand and gives you a much bigger reach to the left to cover more of the table 🎉
Can you please tell me more about how to adjust the energi focusing to change the placment of the ball?
I believe the concept applies to the backhand with some slight adjustments:
For the forehand swing, the force (HPL) is directed perpendicular to the forearm as mentioned, so the direction of the force can be aimed using the forearm.
For backhand, the natural tendency of the force at the HPL is to go from back left to forward right because of swing of the wrist. If we want the HPL force to go directly forward , we have to push the elbow in and forward during active phase while extending the forearm slightly. So aiming forward with backhand would consist of small adjustments of the elbow and forearm so that HPL force from the wrist goes straight forward, instead of from back left to forward right.
Is this correct?
exactly, but the point was only to show how energy focusing is working. minor details about execution of strokes (moreover backhand) depends a lot on players stance, preferences of side, approach to cover the table space and so on. More about it in later episodes. However idea stays still the same.
I find it hard to understand. It's the third time watching the video. I do like the concept and the detail that these videos go into but better illustration maybe needed. I understand that it's a work in progress. But would it be possible to maybe have a person holding the bat and showing the proper swing. Looking forward to watch the other videos. Thanks for sharing your knowledge and time.
After i watch some of video.. i cant understand at all what he /she try to explain to us (me). Its like learning math at school. Maybe in future, u can make video more realistic with some real photo or real video.. actually i like ur video but it really hard for me to understand.. if possible u can make it simple. Thx 😔
We are aware of it. Please start by understanding REDESIGNED EPISODES. Ep.01 is done, Ep.02 coming next, Ep.03 is done also. Be patient - channel is evolving. Thank you for you input.
Hi. I like to follow and think about your ideas. The animation in this episode, seems not to be in the best view angle. It's getting too abstract. I think, showing from behind on the right (like good views in matches) will help for understanding and "feeling".
Hi Jochen. Angle is chosen purposely, but we forgot to add lines to the animation showing how elbow point is aimed to the starting point (OUT), and that forearm is going to the point in front of ball (IN - through the ball) in such way that arm is aligned with the path of the ball played (parallel to the path - paused video segment before follow through). actually cube edge pointing viewers way is showing direction of played ball. I hope it make sense now.
@@DESANGGG Thanks for your answer. I think I understood well. My point was just, that it would be more natural, when you watch from behind. It gives a better identification for a player.
A question to your concept, as you mentioned Chinese players und rubbers: as I understand, the Chinese way to hit is by rotating the core (power from the ground). The shoulder makes a 90° move. Starting vertically to the table (which puts energy to the hips) and ending parallel to it (more or less). The arm is an extension of the core/shoulder and the forearm is mainly making the follow through after hitting the ball. (Need to ask Ma Long, if my description is right 👀) ua-cam.com/video/g5enIx_TVJA/v-deo.html
Is this just a different way of description or do you recommend a different technique? More European style?
It is hard to transfer imagination to the audience. Some people are more gifted than the others in this area. We are just trying to learn people how to think about the game in different terms. This is the hard one. One more video will be needed for completeness. Jochen thank you for your valuable inputs.
Well, table tennis feels completely different for your body than it looks. That is why it is technically such difficult sport. You need to coordinate so many joints in 3D space with pefect ratio of speeds for each of them.
We are thinking about forehand active phase as a virtual CONE attached to a ROD. CONE is spanning the hitting space (rotation in X for more consicitency). If you can focus energy at the time of hitting, such that elbow if pushing this cone foreward (with parabolical base - due to natural racket angle adjustments) to the ball. If alignment is correct at the point of hitting, and this base is aligned perpendicular to the path of the ball, you will see natural angles of your arm joint atwork, transfering all the energy to the ball. all rotation movements will add up. LEGS, BODY, SHOUDLER, ELBOW - wrist is the last one (squeezing the paddle). You can swing the rod under the perfect angle towards starting point (in the animation) by addition of CORE rotation around Z axis and Shoulder rotation around X axis. This approach can cover so many circumstances and you will have perfect accuracy and consistency.
And we think than Ma Long have hardcoded exactly this process in his muscle memory. That is why his forehand is so unique, because even some chinese players are doing only some parts of this energy focusing or have different timing. Ma Long can focus only on the points we descibed in the video and have perect shot every time with full power.
If you can see it this way, it will not be as hard to command your body joints also to construct this movement. Hope this helps to your imagination :)
This is the best explanation we can think of at the moment.
I like the idea of the theory, but the explanation isn't clear and quite hard to understand
Thank you, please note that everything you learn in life is difficult at the time. We are offering completely new perspective to TT so it takes time to absorb it. After some time you will see how it all fits together. Be patient.
I cant get it. Dont see difference in ilustrations
look closer at the arrows. if you mean illustrations of the adjustment of angle. Your comment is not very precise. hard to tell.
@@DESANGGG I mean Ilustration on 2:17 Hook is the same as 5.24. Cant get how you change ball direction (aim by elbow / align forearm with desired direction)
@@lukaszk4373 next CONCEPT video will be about this approach in the animation. difference is that in first 3 approaches (illustrations) you use only rotation of the body or shouder joint and rigid arm to hit the ball. Many players do it this way. It was mentioned in video that many players have stiff hands. This was ment by it. new video is almost finished. You will see the diference.