the ms-20 mini recreates the original korg 35 filter which is very noisy- so they’re all like that the full-size reissue allows you to choose between the original and later filter types (the latter being much less noisy at the expense of what may be considered some of the ms-20’s signature character)
The original Korg 35 filters weren't actually that noisy, it's just that in the reissues they found it difficult to recreate it accurately with modern components without the noise. Here is an excerpt from a Sound on Sound article about the Korg MS-20 Kit reissue where they published a response from Korg about the issue: "There was, however, one thing that concerned me. The background noise generated by the Kit when in Korg35 mode was considerably higher than the noise generated by either of the vintage synths and, with just VCO1 generating a triangle wave, the mixer set to around '5' and the filters wide open, it was as loud as the wanted signal. Interestingly, the noise level in OTA mode was almost negligible. So I contacted Korg, and received an explanation from the General Manager of the Product Planning Department in Tokyo confirming my findings. He explained that the signal/noise ratio in Korg35 mode could have been improved, either by changing the transistors in the filter or by increasing the output levels of the oscillators, but when his engineers tried the first of these, they were unable to find alternative components that reduced the noise while retaining the sound of the original. The second approach was dismissed because the filter input level has a significant effect on the timbre, and making this 'hotter' would have changed the sound of the synth. In his words, "We faced a hard‑to‑decide trade‑off, and in the end we chose to prioritise the sound of the filter. Replicating the sound characteristics of one of the most iconic synthesizers in music history was our prime focus.” Fortunately, the noise isn't a problem with louder patches (for example, using square or sawtooth waves with higher mixer settings), but you may want to stick to the OTA filter for gentler sounds." Not sure if I can post links but search for "korg-ms20-kit" and it should be easy to find the article.
How is the groove made in the intro section? Weird noises and crackles, also a very nice smoothe groove. This would be a intresting topic?! :) danke jonas
might be doing something similar on drums. it was mostly done with samples running through my modular and replace thinks you would aspect it to be in the groove, lets say a kick or a shuffled hat with noise/cracks and modulation them. Ive used Data Bender a lot actually. Cheers :)
Very nice video, thank you! Curious about the intro tune, what synth did you use for the bassline? Also is it a released track? It sounds great! Cheers
Yes, that’s what subs oscillators were in the old days - the waves of the main oscillators were divided down to give phase locked copies that are an octave lower. It was a simple way to beef up the sound. Quite different to the modern use of “sub” which usually refers to a sine wave that’s used to reinforce the bass
This is so far from the actual genres, it's actually funny. A break beat for dubstep and electro? Lol. Big credits for the aesthetic visual quality though.
To be fair, this is a bit of an "unusual" use of the MS-20. With the wildly distorted and gritty sounds it is often associated with, the noise does not really matter that much.
I will say it again : love these tutorials and they are much appreciated. Pls keep them coming. And yes, Jonas is god:)
haha doing my best. Thanks Danio, appreciate it
that coffee next to gear made me shiver..
don't drink and sound design!
Love your 4:3 aspect ratio videos, guys.
Thank you, happy that you like it :)
This is so inspiring and beautiful to watch 💫
Thanks :)
4k PAL is the shit! :D
Thank you
the ms-20 mini recreates the original korg 35 filter which is very noisy- so they’re all like that
the full-size reissue allows you to choose between the original and later filter types (the latter being much less noisy at the expense of what may be considered some of the ms-20’s signature character)
The original Korg 35 filters weren't actually that noisy, it's just that in the reissues they found it difficult to recreate it accurately with modern components without the noise. Here is an excerpt from a Sound on Sound article about the Korg MS-20 Kit reissue where they published a response from Korg about the issue:
"There was, however, one thing that concerned me. The background noise generated by the Kit when in Korg35 mode was considerably higher than the noise generated by either of the vintage synths and, with just VCO1 generating a triangle wave, the mixer set to around '5' and the filters wide open, it was as loud as the wanted signal. Interestingly, the noise level in OTA mode was almost negligible. So I contacted Korg, and received an explanation from the General Manager of the Product Planning Department in Tokyo confirming my findings. He explained that the signal/noise ratio in Korg35 mode could have been improved, either by changing the transistors in the filter or by increasing the output levels of the oscillators, but when his engineers tried the first of these, they were unable to find alternative components that reduced the noise while retaining the sound of the original. The second approach was dismissed because the filter input level has a significant effect on the timbre, and making this 'hotter' would have changed the sound of the synth. In his words, "We faced a hard‑to‑decide trade‑off, and in the end we chose to prioritise the sound of the filter. Replicating the sound characteristics of one of the most iconic synthesizers in music history was our prime focus.” Fortunately, the noise isn't a problem with louder patches (for example, using square or sawtooth waves with higher mixer settings), but you may want to stick to the OTA filter for gentler sounds."
Not sure if I can post links but search for "korg-ms20-kit" and it should be easy to find the article.
My FS is not as noisy as I remember the mini to be, I think they might have improved on the mini's design a bit.
haha ok, ive wondered so much about it and honestly just don't like it :D
@@ThomannSynthesizers Yeah I have the FS and it's definitely handy having the option to switch to the mark 2 OTA filter for quieter patches.
@@XanderEwald I can't remember if my Mini was worse than my FS for noise but it's definitely still there in the FS.
How is the groove made in the intro section? Weird noises and crackles, also a very nice smoothe groove. This would be a intresting topic?! :) danke jonas
might be doing something similar on drums. it was mostly done with samples running through my modular and replace thinks you would aspect it to be in the groove, lets say a kick or a shuffled hat with noise/cracks and modulation them. Ive used Data Bender a lot actually. Cheers :)
Very nice video, thank you!
Curious about the intro tune, what synth did you use for the bassline? Also is it a released track? It sounds great!
Cheers
Its unreleased but think will put it out asap :) Bass was done in Serum + a little overtones from DS Pro3.
@@ThomannSynthesizers Did this track end up getting released... soo smoooth n groovey :~)
@@oscar_perrybump
Very nice tutorial!
very nice video.
btw there is no triangle on the sh01a, it's a saw wave. But I guess you know that
haha ups
Jonas, have you released the intro song yet?
Im good at baselines, could you do another on drums and percussion
Top !
May I ask what you put on top of the patchcable holder, so it isn't as shaky anymore?
a screw :D
@@ThomannSynthesizers Yes sure, but which one? What do I google for?
isn’t the sub off the sh01a the same oscillator as the main square/triangle just an octave or two down depending on the little switch next to it?
Yes, that’s what subs oscillators were in the old days - the waves of the main oscillators were divided down to give phase locked copies that are an octave lower. It was a simple way to beef up the sound.
Quite different to the modern use of “sub” which usually refers to a sine wave that’s used to reinforce the bass
This is so far from the actual genres, it's actually funny. A break beat for dubstep and electro? Lol. Big credits for the aesthetic visual quality though.
doesnt matter for you, just worry about ur video game covers g
Dunno about that drexiya baseline mate.
Dude's gonna burn his studio down!
the noise on the ms 20 mini is so disappointing, it's so obvious here
Gotta just embrace the noise
To be fair, this is a bit of an "unusual" use of the MS-20. With the wildly distorted and gritty sounds it is often associated with, the noise does not really matter that much.
Any filled cup next to my synths makes me nervous
Ja hallo :)
Hola, esto sea ido de la manos a todos.... Solo suele. Y en 5 años solo e perdido😢
background music is too busy and distracting.
Wait.. Post Dubstep? its called "Garage" mate.. these sub genres are getting ridiculous! Ha ha good video though.
Surely dubstep should be called post garage😂
ey lass mal intro so machen wie ricky tinez!
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