How To Shoot Expired Film
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- Опубліковано 14 жов 2024
- EXPIRED FILM Is Not DEAD // HOW To SHOOT Expired 35MM Film
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Wow, this is an amazingly put together video! I can see how much work you put into this and it really paid off! Super fun to watch and really inspiring. And to answer your questions, I have shot film before and I enjoy it- but sometimes it's difficult to convince myself to take out the film camera when I've got my fancy new stuff in front of me 😅
Thanks so much Daniel! Appreciate that thoughtful comment. Dang, I was hoping to document your FIRST hand experience in something because that always makes for good story telling. That's okay, something else will come up no doubt. Also fully agree to it being hard with fancy NEW stuff. My favourite is merging the two in an attempt to explore new ground. If I know how it works than how it can be authentically combined in a meaningful motivated way will be the next step ;)
Thanks again mate.
My father was a photographer he had many different 35 mm cameras, his favorite was his Mamiya 6x7 when he passed in 2003 we decided to take his un developed film and was like he was alive again through his photography. If he was alive today I think he would still be shooting with film alone ever old film.
That’s amazing, I can relate to that. My great grandfather’s old 8mm film reels I went through. Basically a 1964-66 travel blog of a different era. He passed when I was one and only have seen him in a few pictures.
The film feels, I got to know himself a renaissance man, a grandfather and a father. His old film reels helped me understand the man he was, and who my grandpa was at my age, my dad was at my daughters age. Truly amazing.
So ya I can relate. Thanks for your comment Joe!
@@MarkHoltze I believe I watched some of that footage of Centre Island you did I your vid.
That’s right! Forgot lol. Just love hearing stories of similar experiences to mine. Get more old
Film out of the closets onto
Screens.
Not to be too pedantic, but the Mamiya 67 (probably an RB or RZ67) is not a 35mm (135 format) camera, but rather a medium format camera that uses 120 film. At any rate, film is a beautiful medium and your father's story gave my heart a little tingle of warmth ; )
Just got a Bronica 645SRii medium format. New Years resolutions ;)
Great video, sir! I gave up digital two years back, and haven’t looked back since. Now, I love love love shooting film! All kinds! Fresh, expired, really expired, really really expired, slow film, ultra slow film, slide, special effects, redscale, b&w…all kinds! What a journey!!!
Amazing!!
Super creative and really well put together, dude!
Thanks Oliver. Had loads of fun making it. Appreciate your time mate.
Mark Holtze you’re welcome, my man and it shows. I make tutorials on this stuff so I can appreciate the hard work you put in. Just the best feeling when it comes out how you wanted it to. Keep up the awesome stuff!
Mark you go from strength to strength. This might just be your best video on youtube - it's certainly my favourite video you've made. I love the detail you go into on a once highly technical craft. I see quite a few comments here asking for a comparison between analogue and digital which I'll assume you are all over, so looking forward to that one down the line!
Also, I had a look at your shots. I am leaning on the higher contrast +2 shots overall. Either way, you can't beat that natural 'real' film grain. Ahhhh the nostalgia.
Thanks mate, means a lot. A labor of love for sure and the narrative of this video was naturally kinetic so I think that helps. I definitely try not to get lost in the techniisity of things, for me it’s still very much a creative venture but there are definitely fundamentals you need to know to take it to the next level.
I agree with the plus two, I can bring the highlights of the sky down in those to reveal some sky textures which is nice,. Kind of wish the location at the abandoned drive in has more in the way of color, but I thought it was too cool to pass up when I stumbled across it trying to find a place to shoot.
Definitely going to do a film vs digital video at one point, just want to make sure my film craft is tight so that it’s at least a fair comparison. I have the interchangeable lenses so I think it could be a pretty cool video actually.
Thanks again for you comments mate. Your reviews are killer, I really enjoy them!
You're most welcome. Keep it up! - I've got a couple of new reviews in the pipeline that I can hopefully shoot soon ;)
Beauty! Looking forward.
Great video! I use to shoot film until 2000. As a family, we use to buy a film that was mail ordered from CA, the film was advertised as motion picture film quality. You would shoot the roll and send it back, they would send you back the printed pictures, the negatives and slides, plus your next roll of film. It was great to have that the option of all three formats. Slides and slide projecting was always the way our family showed trips and events.
It's crazy how much of a setup they had going. Slides are great, projected slides honestly is the best way to experience the true beauty of the 35mm format. My parents trip out west in the 70's through the projector looks like it was shot yesterday. The colours are so beautiful, the clarity is just unmatched really. They make the prints look pointless.
Watching the trips by the slide projectors lol, barely remember those days but I do have some memory of that.
Thanks for your comment!
I love shooting film, it has a lot of character and a certain charm to it. It’s a 50/50 if I’ll take a digital or film camera with me somewhere, depends what I’m feeling on the day.
Definitely agree! Even now I’m finding the eye and desire to shoot certain things on film. Love it
Limitations allow you to be more creative, they make you stop and think before every shot. I'm currently working on a video about film and digital photography, and how they compliment each other.
Agree fully! Would love to see the film when you are complete. Where will you showcase it?
I'll post it on my channel, it's something I've been thinking about for a while now, but i never sat down to write it until recently. Should be ready in a week or two.
Aweome dude. Well I’m going to sub so I can see it when it drops. Sorry for delay youtube didn’t notify me you replied (annoying)
Well done vid - brings back fond memories when I shot 35mm B&W and slides (Extachrome and Agfachrome) - had a bathroom dark room and did some slide developing, too. Agfa and Extrachromes had kits for the home processor. Tips from back then - to squeeze out an extra frame or two load camera in a “changing bag” so as to begin the first frame sooner, and near the roll end gently advance the film a frame (or two) beyond the camera’s frame number for the film length. Next, rewind carefully to about a half turn after you feel the loss of tension - this leaves an inch or so of the film roll (the tail) outside the canister (helps avoid light leaks than can result when you rewind the film entirely inside the canister). Check to see if the camera’s frame number dial rotates backward - a bit after it stops moving, you should be o.k. You are experiencing the joys of film - something few folks do today. Terrific that you have an accommodating lab/retail outlet in your area. Great colors in the processed film. Read that Kodak is re-releasing some 35mm Extachrome soon (don’t remember the speed, but 64 used to be my favorite). You can, of course, mix technologies by scanning negatives and digitally processing in LR/PS - what great vids those would make! I look forward to your next analog adventure.
Wow Paul, I've saved what you wrote for reference! Very much appreciate it mate! I have a bolex 16mm (probably the most intimidating camera i've EVER used BOLEX SURPRISE) so I'll be looking for a change back soon. The SLR is pretty easy to load and the I had to screw around with that first reel to cover all those macro shots in the intro lol. I could just feel the exposures being ruined as I had to do it 3 times just to get the shots, worth it though ;).
I'll have to look into scanners, would be nice to be able to control that myself to get more out of the images as I can. They had an option to HIGH resolution TIFF files but wasn't sure these shots were really worth it seeing a big chunk of this was semi scientific. For artistic more inspired photography for sure.
Really excited to shoot some proper film though, see how the colours and grain structure differs from the stuff I shot for this.
Thanks again for the wonderful comment mate!
Mark Holtze An alternative to a film scanner would be to attach a slide copier or macro lens set-up (lay filmstrip flat onto backlit translucent plastic) to a digital camera - did that myself for some faded color slides. This way you get the native resolution of your digital camera. You might also find an old Pentax bellows w/slide copier attachment on one of your used equipment hunts. The slide copier attachment, as I recall, has a filmstrip capability. BTW, the drive-in venue was the perfect subject for the retro theme of your post!
Paul once again thank you. I’ve got a macro and will do some tests to see how they end up. I was so happy I found the drive in. The setting is as important as the subject. :)
For the Ektachrome it's 100 speed, I bought a roll of it myself that I'm currently shooting
I love that you shot Ultramax here. My buddy and I are so enamoured with the colour palette of this emulsion that we have taken to calling it "Ultracrack".
I only found your channel this morning, and I am already a uuuuuuuuuge fan. You are a brilliant filmmaker with exceptional skills and beautiful storytelling ability. I'm happy to be an "early" subscriber before your channel completely blows up and goes straight beyond 100K subscribers.
BTW, what's the deal with you Canadian UA-camrs, eh? The per capita greatness in your country is off the charts, mate.
Hi DJ, super nice reading your message just now! Thanks man, I appreciate it. ULTRAMAX! I honestly don't have a preference, or I have forgotten what my preference is it's been so long. These I found in a bundle in my parents basement (where I have found all this great historical photography stuff i've been using lately). Treasure trove of goodies down there it is lol.
I dig it though for sure, I'd love to compare it to film NOT expired, my second roll had more colours, if I only I didn't open it thinking it was re-wound lol.
Well not sure how high i'll end up going, i'm pretty niche right now, but happy you found me and can find some value in it!
Canadian youtubers are making a bit of a mark aren't they? I remember when I found out PM was a local boy, then a bunch after that. Super cool (i'm not in their league).
You guys should document your film experiences. I'd love to see that!
Thanks for such a nice comment mate, and seriously WELCOME!
I started to really get into film this year and I'm so glad I did. I mainly focus on portraits which I usually take of my siblings and most of the time they turn out great. I also recently shot my first roll of expired film and I love all the little surprises you get with it. I just want to say that I really appreciate youtubers just like yourself taking the time to make videos about film photography and educating others on the topic.
Oh and downtown camera, amazing options to choose from.
Hi Emily! Thank you for your wonderful comment. So glad to hear you're still shooting film. I really REALLY want to do some portraits with it, but again i don't want to waste the model's time so I need to refine my skills and make sure my gear is all good before I do it.
Do you have a place where you have your work on display? I would LOVE to see some of your results!
I appreciate the connection with individuals such as yourself by doing these videos. It's definitely something I feel strongly about or I wouldn't bother taking the time out of my day to work on them lol. I think it's passion driven because I'm busy enough as it is, I do love it, so glad it resonates.
Downtown CAMERA! New favourite camera shop in the city for sure. Was so cool seeing all the young people coming in and out there dropping off their shot film in just the short amount of time I was there.
Thanks again Emily! Have you been to any of those vintage camera sales the www.phsc.ca hosts? One coming up in October (18th I think), it's a vintage gear dream and if you're free, you should definitely go. :)
Most of the time my siblings are willing to be my models but the times they aren't I tell them they're making me a more skilled and experienced photographer and usually that works. I'm planning on making an Instagram account dedicated to my photography to get more feedback on my work and for others to enjoy my perspective. But for now I have a couple of photos on my vsco account:
kitchingemily
I haven't yet had the chance to head down to one of those vintage camera sales but I'll definitely be sure to stop by and have a look.
Man that looked like a lot of fun...great video Mark!
Thanks Hamal! SO much fun, unexpectedly fun lol.
I love shooting film, but in Argentina, film and film developing it's so expensive. So I don't do so much lately.
Mark!!! So cool! I loved this one. Love those light leaks and the photo of Cali. I used to love to shoot film in high school but I don’t think I have since!!
Would love to see what you would shoot! Project “relive high school” maybe lol ;)
Outstanding work Mark. Always a treat just to see how you stitch these together. So slick! :) Glad you enjoyed the film experience. I’ll never shoot film again but I enjoy seeing other people do it. Can’t wait to see how you like the transparency experiment. :)
Thanks Tim! you know what they say though? "Never say never: ;). Transparency, I think i'll shoot that in the fall, make use of those beautiful fall colours :)
Another Canadian friend! I have been interacting with you on Twitter but I hadn’t subscribed to you channel 😲 , until now! It must’ve been weird to have a real camera and a digital one side by side 😄. Beautiful video man. Very engaging. There’s nothing like manual cameras and settings, and those films!!! Keep rocking and stay safe 👍
Thanks mate, I'm just glad i was able to document getting back into it. Also so glad I opened up my second roll by mistake with film still in it. Was one thing I was afraid of with the first roll, but was confident with the second and opsie lol.
Thanks for stopping by!
A time capsule that captures the modern times we live in. Excellent video, as always. 📸
This is one of your best Mark. You have inspired me to take on expired film. I love your channel. All the best.
Damn man - this video production is insanely - of course the topic, content, outcome, personality were all there - but I kinda felt like I was watching a very masterfully put together flick... bravo bro. thank you. and looking forward to my UltraMax I just ordered, which sent me here ;). keep it up slice
Paul, what a nice comment mate, glad the video connected with you. It was one I was planning on making for so long, but all the pieces of the puzzle needed to be there. When I found this location totally out of the blue (a dead drive in) I thought it would make for the perfect location thematically to shoot some film. I figured documenting the experience might make for some interesting dynamic story telling and of course how can I make it engaging at the same time. Glad that resonated with you, it was one of my favourites to produce that's for sure.
I think mostly what I love about film is you really need to be able to read, focus and dial in your settings before snapping the shutter. You don't really get a re-do per say and you can't see the results of your frame until much later so based on experience level every shutter click is met with a bit of dramatic uncertainty.
What ultimately drove me to shoot some (and this is really just a test) was watching my parents slide film from their trip to Banff in 1976. The projected image is INSANITY, it's a completely different way to experience photography. The clarity, the natural brightness, the size, it looks like real life.
Anyway blah blah blah, if you have any questions or places where I can check out your work. .. let me know. Happy to follow along!
Nice to meet you Mark,
I started analog photography about last year and I enjoy it a lot even the exposed films are too expensive in my country..
Anyway, I gotta admit that I loved your entrance, I just feel like the same when "reloading" my oldie, as a good old magnum takes its' bullet, heheh.
Take care!
Man, such a great viewing experience, great job.
Thanks Javier! I had fun with this.
Youre videos are unbelivable. Every second is exiting. Great job!
Thanks Chris, that means a lot. I know this stuff isn't super "trending" but I kind of love it and I'm glad it resonates with you! :) I certainly don't want to be wasting anyone's time.
What? Mark you are not waisting the time of anyone. Youre videos are for me art. I REALLY LOVE youre conntent. Its awsome!!!
Thanks Chris, it it starts to get boring remind me k? Appreciate it!
Have to save this video for future reference. It is full of details helpful. I just got into film photography.
It’s an exciting journey! Let me know if you have any questions! Best of luck with it!
Thanks for the video. I shot tons of slide film years ago. Still have a bunch in the refrig. Plan to shoot this film sometime in the future. Still remember the delayed satisfaction of getting my slides back. I really like the old 35mm cameras. Much fun.
My pleasure, slide film! Any tips and tricks you have when shooting it? Or is it generally the same as shooting stock color negative? The good thing about those old 35m's is you can pick the up for like dirt cheap and if well cared for last a lifetime.
I generally shot underexposed . Iso 100 at Iso 80 for example. I did not change iso 64.
I would say shooting film is so much more fun than digital cameras I grew up with shooting film with my mom she had a Pentax K 1000 and she used to develop her own film and everything and a lot of good pictures and now the cameras handed down to me and I am getting back into it and I’m having fun
That ticks a lot of boxes Michael! Sentimental, progression, nostalgia and experience! Love it mate!
You are awesome! Subscribed! Saw your comment on Andrew M. Warner Channel. I shot and developed real film in high school for two years. It was the best!
Welcome! That’s amazing! I have no idea how to develop my own film, but I’m curious as anything to try it o e say! What cameras did you shoot?
@@MarkHoltze Oh my goodness I can't even remember! The cameras belongs to the school and we would check them out to use them. My grandmother gave me a small rectangular flat camera that I can't remember the name of either ... Then it wasn't until the digital camera came out that I bought the first small crappy Nikon. Once digital was out I never looked back at film, but it was a great learning experience. I had a Canon 60 D For many years and finally upgraded to a Fuji XT3 last year. Wickedly awesome camera.
I used to work in a digital lab. We had a film processing machine with chemicals when I first started there, but we would always scan the negatives digitally then push them in the computer before sending to print.
It's always good to have a relationship with the person printing your film, or digitizing it for you. The graphics department in general. It's hard to tell otherwise if what you are getting back from your film processing if they altered it to make sure you got a good image in the end, or if they are staying true to your intent when shooting.
It looks to me like the images you underexposed were actually bumped up by the lab technician...I see the graininess that appears when you bump up the levels to bring the overall luminosity to a good spot on the histogram. Allows you to see everything fine, but it kills the saturation, ups the shadows, and causes the grain to appear. Digitally, it often introduces red and green pixels if done in a certain order you can sometimes avoid that in editing. But it washes out colors, which is what I think you see in the comparison. Some of them looked better exposing "correctly" in camera despite the advice to overexpose for the age of the film...but I'm also viewing on my phone and not really seeing pixel for pixel.
Either way, cool video.
Just found your channel through your Christmas Moment on Haapooja’s vintage lens video, glad I did!
I’ve shot digital for a long time, my only experience with film was the cheap 110 plastic cameras pre-digital. I shoot mostly film now, and I still feel like I’m learning...exercises like this are one of the joys of photography, I think! I’ve shot a little with expired film, and I’m opening up more to it. So much to learn re: which types of film gives what in return, and how that impacts how you might shoot a certain subject. I feel like a complete beginner sometimes!
Thank you for a great video, and I definitely subscribed. 👍🏼
Thanks mate, sincerely. Film is insane, it’s oddly addictive though to get back into it. There really is so much to learn and take into account for when shooting you really need to know what you want to achieve. That just makes us so much more interesting though. Learning new things, so much fun, at least for me as an adult.
I’ve got a medium format I’m dying to break into. Apprehensive about it because that is truly foreign for me. Will def document it. I’m thinking the fall might be a nice time to try.
That’s so cool you are experimenting with film. Slide film, seeing your images projected on big screen...unlike anything in digital.
It’s so unreal for me to see this video, 4 days ago i brought an old film camera (taking dust on a shelf) to the store to get some expert advice and to see if it still worked. It is ! And i’m very happy to now be shooting with a 70 years old film camera that belonged to my grandfather ! Can’t wait to see the results !
Jeez, I can't wait to see the results! 70 year old film wow! I can relate to your grandfather family line there. Right down to my great grandfather I've recently discovered all his super 8 film and photography stuff. It's crazy because I grew up loving it and always wondered where that came from.
A huge reason I'm back into film was discovering their old troves of historical photographic gear....truely amazing and there's nothing like that to inspire you.
GOOD LUCK! please msg me if and when you fire off that roll. I'm SERIOUSLY interested in seeing the results!
Thanks for your comment man.
Ha, love it! I’ve been a digital shooter for the last 20 years, and I’m just now getting back into film. The only film I ever shot prior to digital was point & shoot, so it’s a completely different world learning all about the little nuances of film. If you’re a technical guy like me, it’s pretty awesome because you just never know what you’re going to get. I think you hit on it, it’s the delayed gratification and everything is intentional. It’s slower, more methodical and in the end, more rewarding I think.
It's a wonderful thing it is!
Awesome video!!!!!
I see you're still playing with the Tak 85mm f/1.8 ;)
I actually had my TAK 200mm f/4 Prime on my 6D2 yesterday playing around. The color rendition on a digital sensor is awesome! (as with most of these old lenses)
Happy shootin' ;)
Thanks Jim! The Tak's performed nicely on the old Practice :)
Absolutely the best photography channel out on youtube! Regarding your question - I started out with D80 some 6 years ago. After learning how to manually expose each shot I then decided that it's time to bump up my gear, so went for D7100 - wow, the boost in my photographic productivity just skyrocketed! However, with both of these cameras in my sack I felt that I'm missing something - I was producing hundreds of shots on each "photoshoot" (not doing photography professionally, hence the quotes) and although the quality of exposure and framing did increase, there was actually no heart, so to speak, in those pictures. One of my ex-colleagues had bought some Nikon 35mm film camera at the time (~2 years ago?), at first I didn't quite understand the reasoning behind taking a step back to use an "obsolete" technology... Later on, once I tried myself, I fell in love with photography once more. Knowing that I only have this one shot to get everything right, just somehow put this game onto a whole new level (well, it's not like there would be only one shot per film, but film costs money so as developing it..). Instead of taking tens of shots per subject, now there are only 2-3 of them and the fact that I'm recording the shots on film, just somehow makes me get a bit more creative with the subject and surroundings to get to that perfect shot I want (of course, one might say, that, hey you can do the same film dslr as well, and that person would be right, however this is how it works for me). So, in short - although there are some shortcomings with film (forgetting to release it before unwinding and destroying half of the shots by tearing the film apart), the feeling of taking film containers to developer shop and then getting those shots back and looking at what i have made a while ago - there's something to it, not any better or worse than with dslr, it's just something I can't yet put into words.
My feelings echo yours. I think it's the "craft" element, you have to read into way more things before snapping a shutter with film because of limitations. Sometimes people work better with limitations. I personally find the more complicated it is, the more interesting it is. Then the whole wait for the results.
These old lenses and adapting them to my cameras have gotten me RIGHT back into photography, working backwards from that I thought maybe I would like film again...sure enough.
I've since picked up a medium format camera and will document my first time shooting with it this summer.
Photography is an adventure for me, it's what makes it so exciting so constantly challenging myself has been the most fun :)
@@MarkHoltze Nicely said - the topic of limitations highly resonates within me. To work with limited (anything) allows one to better focus on achieving the result with what she/he has, as opposed to getting into analysis paralysis with all the fancy options a different set of tech would provide. But probably I'm getting into a whole other topic right now :)
Anyhow - thanks for the beautiful videos and I sure can't wait to see what your adventures will be like with film!
Some of the best films are the results of having to work with financial or technical limitations. It inspires creative problem solving and almost always works to it's advantage. Jaws (the film) being a good example. NOT seeing the Shark (mostly because of technical problems) resulted in having to rethink how they were going to create suspense in the film. Spielberg managed to save that film and his career flourished mostly because of it.
Thanks for the wonderful exchange Janis, it's been a pleasure!
Love this video Mark! It's been about 2 years since the last time I shot film, and bout 20 before that haha 😂 I loved those light-leaks by the way!
I have a mint Canon AE-1 in the closet that hasn't seen more that 2 rolls in its lifetime. I really need to get that guy out this spring as soon as this snow melts; I'm sure that'd make for a good video as well.
Wow, that AE-1 is dying to stretch it's optics man! Definitely cover it if i you do it, i'd be curious to know your thoughts. That AE-1 would make for some nice b-roll coverage as well. It's such a nice looking camera!
Thanks for taking the time to watch mate.
I will let you know how it goes Mark! Thanks for the speedy reply!
That's interesting that the overexposed shots look better than the correctly exposed ones. I was recently inspired to get a film camera and shoot on Nikon T-max since I love black and white so much. I just bought a bunch of vintage lenses so it will have to wait a bit. Looking forward to it even more after this
I think it's because of how the film aged. There's going to be a degree of error in that every 10 years 1/2 a stop equation depending on how it was stored.
But ya I did find it interesting myself as well.
Hey Mark, love your videos! I actually purchased a Canon FTQL (with a 58mm 1.2) off eBay about a month ago and shot some expired film from the early 80s... Lol and I botched it big time. I'm just now learning more about film and really enjoy your videos. You put a lot of thought and effort into them and it definitely shows. Keep up the amazing content!
Awe thanks Matthew! Sorry to hear about the film project gone wrong. Early 80’s though had a high level of difficulty. What happened? Super fogged? Your FYLQ sounds great! Would love to try a vintage canon SLR one day. Thanks for the kind words mate. Sincerely.
@@MarkHoltze I didn't compensate for the loss in sensitivity over that long period of time, and didn't learn about that until after I shot the roll. But it's all part of the learning process, and makes film that much more satisfying in the end!
In my experience colour film doesn't seem to hold up as well as black and white when it is expired.
Obviously if you are dealing with stuff from the 80s it'll all be poor, but colour seems to just get soooo grainy and have so little detail that I don't think it is worth using when heavily expired.
IR film tends to degrade when super old a lot faster than normal black and white. (presumably due to its sensitivity to cosmic rays).
Ahh the days of going to Shoppers or Loblaws to get your stuff developed. I spent most of 2016 shooting and home developing film. I totally recommend trying it at home - black and white especially since you need little in the way of chemicals and if you do "stand development" it basically auto adjusts for your settings (leave it developing on your counter for an hour and drain).
One of your best vids broham. Don't think I didn't notice that vintage meter. I'm using a German gossen sixtino myself. You gave me an idea for an experiment. Cool
Ha thanks, ya the Sekonic Light Meter...left over from my university film days :). You’ve got me curious on your experiment now :)
@@MarkHoltze oh my experiment is slightly different. I develop my own color film and it's supposed to be at exactly 102 degrees Fahrenheit. I want to shoot the same images but develop them below temperature, at the accurate temperature and the finally one above to see hidden affects the final look. I'll let you know when I pull it off
Great video. Getting back to film after a long hiatus while doing digital. So much fun!
Thanks Roger. Ya I had loads of fun making this. Really wanted to capture it just to document it. :) medium format next
Shot some black and white film in college, and learned how to print in the darkroom. Would love to give it another try someday.
You should!!!
Yes I shot film before. Back when I was younger! I would like to do it again! Dude I love your channel man! I'm learning a lot because of you. Thank you!
Awesome! Sincerely happy to hear it. It’s the whole point really. :) “pass on what you have learned” ;)
What a fantastic video! I have so much respect for work like this! Must be days and days of work for such an video (planning, filming, footage organizing, editing...) GREAT Mark, just great! Now you see.. I like it a lot :-)
Thanks mate! This was just take a camera along for the journey. Was something I wanted to do for awhile and the time finally came :)
I used to shoot film around 12 years ago with my father's Vilia auto and after that as most people I switchet to digital cameras... Few weeks ago I bought Zenit TTL and now I am trying to improve my film photography skills. I love your channel and will be happy to see more videos like that one.
P.S keep it up 👍
That’s awesome! Improving on film is def much slower but I love it! Happy to share that love with you mate! Thanks for watching!
Very good video! Looking forward to more from you. Waiting for some expired Kodak Gold 200 to dry it the bathroom as I watch this. Might be expired 1995?
Thank you Derin. So much fun to shoot, kind of addicted actually lol.
Let me know how yours turns out!
I needed this video. I just started taking film photos again after two years! I really want to learn more and experience and most important, enjoy it! Thank you so much! I really loved the video!
Hi Maria, thanks for the nice comment! Film is so much fun! Getting back into it i'm managing my expectations, they shift between JOY (finishing and rewinding the roll successfully capping the roll) to disappointment (opening the gate with film still in there - the results turned out but I was pretty BLAH when I saw it like that)
In the end though the good and the bad really make it a visceral experience and anything that gets you out shooting/learning something new is good use of time :)
Good luck with your adventures!
I started down the road of photography , Have a Pentax K1000 with Three lenses ( 28mm / 50mm / 70/210 mm ) i am using with ok results , it's a great learning process on this camera . bought some E100 to see how it goes . Thank you Keep up the Good work .
Learning process for sure. Part of me loves that journey more than the results, the results will always get better and even if they don’t what you learn from it is always worthwhile.
Have you ever shot medium format film?
Shooting film is really fun. I try to shoot a roll a month. And I also develope C-41 or E-6 myself. That is really next level and keeps getting more and more fun the more you learn from your mistakes. Happy that I found your channel. Keep it up! /T
Thanks for the comment Thomas! I think shooting a roll a month is actually a really good place to start. It's not that I want to go full 35mm film all the time, but I REALLY liked the challenges and expectations that it sets. It feels a little more like a CRAFT, than shoot, review, modify shoot again in. Learning to read the environment, the lighting what you want exposed properly etc on film is just so much fun. I liken it to piloting an airplane VFR vs IFR (Visual flight rules vs instrument flight rules). Both are possible and rewarding for different reasons.
Do you have any good sources for learning how to develop film myself? I just want to look into it reading wise. Thanks!
I used youtube to learn the processing. When it comes to black and white it is a jungle since everyone seems to have their own idea of how to do it. C-41 and E-6 is more exact in its rules. I have some links for you here:
BW: ua-cam.com/video/vKVKOnexIY0/v-deo.html
C-41: ua-cam.com/video/c4nRPckotCw/v-deo.html
But check a few more to see the variations there is.
I mostly shoot 120-film and use Tetenal C-41/E-6 chemistry since it is easy to find here in Sweden.
Thanks Mark! So well done. I certainly realize the intent of the video was to shoot with expired film but you triggered some fond memories of many years spent with my first camera (Pentax KX) and some great/fast prime lenses. When it comes to film - my favourites (yes - another Canuck) were Kodachrome 64 iso, 400TX, Porta 800 (pushed a stop for live music) and for black and white - Ilford HP5 at 400 iso. One of the numerous things that film taught me was to consider composition a lot more.. You've only got 24 or 36 frames to work with so tend to be more particular about the subject and exposure/framing (as you mentioned). All that said - I'm so thankful for digital but still appreciate all that film has to offer. Thanks again for a great vid.
Totally mate! Thanks for the comment, one of my favourites so far! I just love that we have options now and those options offer something completely different. Limitations of film definitely add to the experience, it's undeniable. It's totally subjective if that is value or not to you, but for me it's part nostalgia and part respect for what it is. So much history of photography before digital is steeped in 35mm film and film in general. It's been the standard for so long.
Thanks again mate! Really enjoyed reading that comment.
Hi Mark, had a look hete after a bit of delay, as I was curious for your experience with film. I recently acquired a Asahi Pentax Spotmatic II to shoot film with. It's certainly a whole different thing from shooting on DSLR. Especially as it works fully mechanic ...
Have a happy new year 2022!
Looking forward to your next videos.
Wow! I am glad I found this video! Yes, I have shot film in the past, and I actually bought a Mamiya RB 67 camera and a few lenses to play with. However, I have never shot expired film, although I have some rolls of B&W 120 in my fridge which have expired. I will have to take them out to shoot and test what you did. I am assuming the same advice you gave for colour would work for B&W film? Thanks again for the entertaining video, Mark!
If they're stored cold the expiry date will linger much later I suspect so the results shouldn't be as radical. The slide film I bought here is still in my fridge and it's now expired cause this video is old lol. I kept waiting for something big to do the slides with cause I love projections but was too selective of what I wanted to shoot.
Glad you found the video, this one wasn't getting/hasn't been getting any play in years.
My first camera was a fixed film camera (no lense attachments) shooting it was an awesome experience
And I really want to relive that experience .
Nice video. I shoot film for 90% of the time, develop at home and also scan everything by myself. When it comes to slide film: don't waste too much time with 35mm ;-) There is just nothing comparable to holding a medium format slide in your hands and see it projected on a wall (makes 4k look like trash ;- ) ) . Sadly there is no projector for 8x10 slides as far as I know. Hope you enjoy shooting film for a long time, even if it makes you swear sometimes ;-)
Thank you! I need to look into this dev at home, seems most people who still shoot film develop and scan at home. Makes sense. You’re also not the first to attemp to hook me into medium format which has now leaked my interest, so thanks for nudging me a bit more in that direction. THAT is a whole new game for me, which should be fun.
Film brings out my most polarized emotions, epic joy and happinesss to downright “don’t talk to me” grumpy lol. But it’s that swing that makes it so fun.
So funny I caught that moment, almost didn’t bring my hi-8 but felt the desire to shoot with it again. Glad I did as catching that exact moment Ian priceless.
Thanks for the commentmate, I do appreciate it
I think 35mm Film is also worth.
Iam a Student and even if I have medium Format Cameras and even tried it.
35mm would be my comparson.
But what can I say.
I even develop my prints in my own darkroom.
So I don't need a scanner
Because there is no digital needing
I love film. Mainly black and white but definitly getting back into it. Just found some old 15 year old film. Can't wait to try it out. :) great vid. Thanks for sharing
I need to shoot some black and white! 15 year old film go! You going to vlog the experience? You should, i’s watch :)
@@MarkHoltze I would imagine I will mate. Should be fun. :)
Just dug out my early 80's Canon AE1 and all the lenses. I even have couple of unexposed films to play with. As they used to say "Stay tuned, film at 11:00" :-)
lol love it! Let us know how it goes mate!
Great video. Really enjoyed it.
I once failed to rewind the film completely, too. Lost a couple of frames. But the "effect" on the remaining images was nice.
I had been shooting film in the 90s when I was a kid. A month ago I inherited my grandfather's film camera - an EXA 1 C. And now I am shooting through one roll of film every weekend.
That’s amazing. The sentimental value there is also huge. It was my grandfather’s old lenses that got me into vintage lenses so I can relate somewhat. It’s amazing being able to use the creative tools they used now isn’t it.
Nice toppic,
been to a Fotographica show (vintage photo/film/equipment) and bought myself a Mamiya C220 6x6 rollfilm camera, which was in mint condition (still surplus stock from a photoshop). Doing black and white film shoots now. 120 rollfilm still available from Ilford. No 220 rollfilm anymore. ITS A GASS, love what I shot. Now to find some double Tele's for my new fun
Thanks to this, I'm looking into shooting film! your video again, is so beautiful :)
It’s so much fun! It’s stressful and scary and frustrating, but when it lands, it’s after such built up anticipation....it’s hard not to get addicted ;)
i love shooting experied film.
they make for an even more interesting unknown end product
thanks for sharing
really enjoyed this
Thanks Acid snow and I can't help but agree with you. Just in the two rolls I shot with this, totally excitement finishing the first and complete disappointment when i found the film wasn't fully rewound (thankfully it wasn't under bright sunshine).. Then waiting for those scans/prints to be done...it's rare that I get to venture into territory like this after doing it all for so long. (Or having seemed to).
Thanks for your comment.
Thanks for your video! I know what you mean about being addicted to shooting film haha - I'm finding that myself. Shooting on a olympus om-10. On this road I've learnt a lot of lessons - expired film looks amazing and people should try it out, I try out normal fujifilm c200 film at an iso of 100 and it looks awesome. And I myself have had issues taking out film once and since then have learnt my lesson! Right now with all the craziness going on, shooting on film is a great escape and relaxing and just what I need. 😊 Hope you're good and stay safe my friend 😊
That Olypmus Om is a wonderful camera! Those OM lenses on digital photography are something special I hear. I've never seen one at a vintage lens sale yet, must be because people are holding onto those and not trying to off them ;)
Stay safe yourself my friend!
@@MarkHoltze I see, nice to know--I've never tried any olympus lenses on a digital camera so far. I personally feel content with this film slr olympus om-10 Camera atm, that I don't want to go back to digital right now haha . I just like not knowing what the picture looks like when it's being taken and being surprised when it's developed 😊 thank you Mark, kind regards from the cold part of London town. 😊
I shoot digital BUT I also shoot film .. regularly! In fact I have 23 vintage film cameras the oldest being a 1914 Voightlander and most of them are fully functional. I also have a darkroom so I’m able to do my own developing and printing. Developing is so easy and does not require a darkroom plus it reduces the cost substantially. My cost to develop a 36 exp roll is less than $1. I’ve never shot expired film but someone just gave me a box of freezer stored expired film. I’ve been hesitant but your video has motivated me so I have the first one in my hand right now and will be shooting it today. Wish me luck 👍
At photoschool in the late '70 my first camera was a Praktika. Today (2022) I still shoot occasionally with 120 and 4x5. My Sis has become an emerging artist though, shooting with "old" camera's and (very) expired film she develops. Even in my small town I can still get color film developed, sure, it takes a week, but it is possible. B&W I develop myself. Love your channel Mark, it i a huge inpsiration.
Thanks for watching and sharing your story Stephan! ✊
First cameras I used were back in the 70s-90s..... So you know everything was digital, right? lol. I rarely use auto-focus because I grew up focusing cameras manually. Probably why I'm also leaning towards Fuji's cameras since they fell like what I'm used to with the actual knobs for the exposure settings. I recently picked up an vintage Nikon with a set of lenses that is great shape. I have some old film from another purchase... may have to go shoot it and see what comes out.
Totally feel you on those FujiFilm cameras, currently my favourite APS-C vintage lens shooter. These lenses look SO good on that camera coupled with the camera's imaging ability and it's a great combo.
It took me awhile to wrap my head around this, but it continues to hold true: always overexpose color neg film! You should try out Portra 800 and rate it at 200. Your pants will blow off with how beautiful the images come out. Cheers and thanks for a good vid!
Definitely, underexposure looks so ugly! Thanks for the tips on the Porta. Everybody knows more than me so I get so many positive recommendations/wisdom in the comments. Appreciate it sincerely!
I really enjoyed your film-shooting adventure. Great video btw, love the fun little shoots and cinematography you put in. As for myself, I don't think I am a film guy. The whole process seems too cumbersome.
It’s pretty combersome, but it’s about the experience for sure. Slide film through a projector, THAT is an experience for sure
Great video. I haven’t shot film in at least 10 years. Plan on shooting 120 and 620 in some old TLR’s. I’m even refurbishing an old fiesta that shoots 127. Which me luck.
It’s like riding a bike!!! ;) good luck mate! 120 is my next film goal!
What a brilliant video mate loved it I've got some expired film to use up to it's going to be interesting to see how it turns out it's an old rolls of ilford black and white
Go shoot! Would love to see your results!
Yes. Love film. 100% at a classic car show or a historical village. Or a 60 theme photo shoot. I love how it slows me down. 12 shot on a roll. Bronica SQA
Love those ideas mate! 60's style photo shoot especially! Classic cars YES! Bright bold colors with chrome accents!
Beeing in my mid 20´s now, I shot everything on film until 2008. In 2009 i switched to shooting everything on a digital camera. In 2016, after 8 years of digital, I got sick of it, and went back to film. Since then I shoot mainly on film and a little bit of digital. Happy to live with both, having the main focus on film.
Super cool to hear mate! What is it about film you like so much?
@@MarkHoltze Asking this directly, it´s not even so easy to say with fiew words. One thing definately is that you choose your subject way more carefully, ending up with fiewer photos that have better quality. The next thing is the exitement of having to wait until you can see the photos. You hold them in your hand and actually look at them, they don´t disappear on some sd card forever after the holidays. Thirdly, it is the general feeling that digital has no feeling, other than analogue. I make sure to get all my prints from a strictly analogue workflow, which is almost impossible today if you want prints, are not a millionaire and can´t do the prints yourself. I can´t afford darkroom hand prints of all of my photos, nor do I have the time to do them myself. Luckily, I found a small lab in Munich where I live, that still has an old Noritsu printer form the late 90´s in operation. That one is the last generation of analogue, automatic printing machines that doesn´t scan the negatives, it shines light through a lens and the negative onto the paper which then goes through the developing chemistry and drying process. Like a hand printer in the Darkroom, just automatically and therefore affordable. This was the standard way of making prints until the first digital printing machines came onto the market around 1998.
If you compare a print done that way to a "digital" print (scanned negative exposed onto photosensitive, chemically developed paper), it is like two different worlds. The photo suddenly has a feeling, that is impossible if you have just one digital step in the process. That would be the third reason. Explanation over, it was long enough ;) Really like your videos by the way!
@@v-g-z3689 Dah! So well said, I'm so glad I asked because you did such a great job of articulating it! I couldn't have said it better and helped me understand what it is I love about it so much! Thank you!
Welcome Back to the World of 35mm Film Mark!
I bought my uncle's old Minolta x-700 in 2014 from my Aunt after my uncle died in 2013.
He had a few lens and I went and bought the entire Minolta x-700 kit : I have just about everything you could get for the x-700 and then some!
The only lens I haven't gotten yet is a fisheye lens and that's just becuase of the price.
I use my camera all the time and have never owned or used a Digital Camera before and I very well might never buy one.
Yes I've made mistakes with speed, aperture and use of flash; but to me it's all a learning curve becuase I never had any training in photography.
I did this a while back and my film did not come out as good as yours. But mine expired in 1985 haha. Great video though! Sick to see how fast you are growing.
Shoot another roll, make a video about it lol. Thanks man, ya your pics were so different, but it's probably more how it was stored. The lady at the camera store said she had some stuff come in from the early 70's that turned out pretty cool. It's a crap shoot for sure.
Yeah that is the "problem" with film, you cant see it till you get it developed. But once you get it you have that "OH YEAH!" Feeling. So satisfying.
It’s the excuse to if it ;)
Great video! Those praktica cameras are so cheap and good quality that make it easy for anyone to get into shooting film. Be careful of the exposure when shooting the praktica with slide film as it doesn't take overexposure half as well as negative film does
Thanks mate, ya last time I shot slide with this was back in 2001 film school. The good news is outside of expired, I feel I have a pretty good grasp on exposures. But overexposed slides, clear transparent slides lol.
You can pick up one of these cameras for like $20. Gojng to try to get a working Asahi Pentax Camera for my SMC takumars. I have one but the shutter sticks when a lens is mounted and there’s no metal coil on the film thread wheel. The optical view on that camera is so bright though, the Pratika is pretty dark so focus is a bit of a challenge in dimmer lighting conditions.
I shot film off and on from 1984 to 2012 when I sold the first camera I ever bought the canon ae1 program. I used to just take snapshots with it till i took a photography class for my art degree. They taught me how to develop film and quite frankly I hardly ever got it right. I would get the film too tight on the roll and during the development process it stuck together like glue . Then my teacher who i judged to be overly critical made us spend allot of time in the dark room dodging and burning to get our images right. I admit part of the problem was I was lazy and frustrated but I still found the entire development process too time consuming while taking a full load of classes.
Mark, when was the last time you watched this video? Definitely one to come back to if you find your love of film is waning at any point.
I hadn't see this one before today, I was searching for videos on shooting expired film and up pops one of my favourite talents. I have a roll of 1951 Ilford Selochrome in my Agfa Isolette II to shoot over the next few weeks and just lucked in to a generous gift of about 140 expired films ranging from Tmax to Portra to Velvia and more.
Big fun and high processing bills ahead :) Must start doing my own B&W processing.
✊ absolutely
2021:
I have inherited a family member's AE-1; the same one that got me interested in Photography back in...1984?!
Recently, I found a place to give it a tune up, and found 2 rolls of Expired film (one 400 porta, 1 B/W). Im hoping to make memories with my first snap. I'll be sure to remember to go down an Fstop depending on how old the film is.
Good luck with it!
Your video was great kinda Going back to the future. Being a Wedding Photographer back in the 80's I shot 35 ,med format,and
polaroid and still have all my old equptment.might dig out my stuff
Shot film from 1988 when I started aa professional photographer and stopped in about 2002 when the Canon 1Ds came out. Then shot film again for the 1st time last year when I picked up a Olympus OM4 Ti and a few lenses nice and cheap. Think I shot about 10 rolls and decided after that I won’t bother again. Did not like the experience of messing about loading and then rewinding and then getting the film developed and printed. Sold the camera but kept the lenses as they are great on digital.
Definitely not practical. But I agree about the lenses! Love using thkseold lenses for digital.
You can always tell that film is rewound b the tension...I shot film forever and still love it...but in the US getting it developed and the negatives back is just difficult. The worst expired film I have ever used was Konica and the best...was a German Agfa Vista 100 ASA film... The thing is if it was stored in a freezer etc....probably very good...Another aspect which you would enjoy is the cameras...The Nikon F2 is the best camera I have ever used...film or digital...
Jack amazing my friend thanks for your comment. The tension when I opened it the second time was gone because the rewind reel was literally unscrewed. Definitely didn’t see that coming but know to look out for it now.
F2 is written down, going to look it up now! Thanks mate!
NICE VIDEO ... and some useful info for me as a user of out-of-date film - thanks!
Comments: I shoot film. I've owned two 'Prakticas', although not your model. And, I have experienced the shock of opening a camera-back and finding I've still not re-wound all the film back into the can!
Suggestion: as you re-wind the film, put an ear onto the back of the camera. You can hear the end (formerly the start) of the film detach from the take-up spool. This is almost an infallible scheme. Still, in all the years I have been doing this, I had one crest-falling experience - no explanation either. Just happened! Nonetheless, the "listening" procedure is a good practice, and I did read a comment from a pro who suggested doing it.
This was pretty cool to see!
Thanks mate :) Was a lot of fun to shoot.
I absolutely love to shoot film. I do have the problem of choosing film more than my Sony but I’m trying to work on that part. My favorite camera right now is my yashica 635 that shoots 120 film
Ohhhh 120! A line I need to cross!
Mark Holtze I know you can do it!! You are one of sole reasons I use vintage lens on my Sony also! Keep up the good work!
Never, ever under-expose colour print film, +1 stop as a rule. I have been shooting film since 1981 and still do, good video.
Yes! Thanks mate! Appreciate it! :) Going to fire off some shots this summer of regular film, none of this expired crap lol.
shooting and processing is so relaxing. thats the advantage it has over digital.
Agreed. Focus on the inspiration rather than the results.
God! That`s fabulous! I really loved that video. Have the same Praktica but not MTL, just L, trying to upgrade my light metering by eye) because this one praktica don`t have any of exposure meters) Still shooting film, but i`ve never tried to shoot it expired, thanks for insiration! Going to buy expired one soon.
Hi Ruby thanks for the kind words. Ya it was fun to do (I keep saying that ,but it's the honest truth). I was reconciling the light meter on the camera to my sekonic readings and they never matched so I'm not sure how reliable the camera meter is anyway. I think you could always use a digital camera to get a spot meter reading and just make sure you have your digital camera set to your film ASA speed and shutter.
The one thing I don't love about that meter is if I were doing a model I'd want to light and expose one side of the face or area as even and underexpose the rest by specific amounts. I'm going to try some metering tests to see how far off my digital camera is to my light meter, I would love to have more control over my exposure areas when I start doing some real photography with this.
Yup, all this stuff with exposing the film is so exciting! I saw that some of the last Canon or Nikon film cameras have pretty correct exsposure meter, but i think that that`s the easiest way to make a pic and it`s not really exciting. I really enjoy to use some of old hany exposure meters, just to feel the retro power!
I just got into film and it's awesome. I started off with expired film and I'm going to continue to see what I can get from them. I found a local lab to develop the film and I actually just dropped off a few rolls earlier today and I'm expecting the scans later this evening. There's something about that delayed gratification that's nice
2 years later…how was the experience? You still doing it?
@@MarkHoltze Now I shoot almost exclusively film with majority being expired. I also develop and scan at home with C41, B&W and slide. I've shot 600+ rolls of film so far and have probably more than 400 unexposed rolls plus over 1000ft film to bulk load. Needless to say, my bank account hates me.
Honestly I've learned a lot, sometimes I mess up but fortunately this doesn't happen often. If there's an issue, it's usually the film being very expired. In terms of shooting expired film the oldest known expiration date I shot was 1980 but I do have some older film that I haven't gotten to yet. My usual range is from the 90’s-2010 expiration.
During testing I take the first frame at box speed then adjust ISO for the rest to compare the exposure difference, sometimes box speed on a two decade old film is possible on a bright sunny day albeit with some contrast. Knowing this I still make the adjustments because there can be some weird stuff mid roll.
What's cool is that since I've shot rolls of film several times from certain decades, I'm at a point where I understand a working ISO range depending on the expiration date and original film speed. However shooting expired film can be a gamble. For example I cannot recommend anyone to use Ektachrome older than the mid 90’s, because it really is a coin toss if you will get frames or not and if you do, being usable is another thing. Imagine buying a 30 year old film at Portra prices to maybe get something good enough. My first completely lost film was Ektachrome and luckily I developed another film in the same tank which came out fine so that I know it wasn't me. I've wasted lots of money and dev chemicals to be sure. And of course I continued to experiment with it, lol.
Sorry for the late and long reply, I can talk about film all day. BTW I think it's very cool that you asked for an update. Thank you for checking in.
I've been shooting film lately myself. All B&W with my Pentax Spotmatic... time to turn my bathroom into a darkroom.
That’s awesome! Black and white is a whole different beast isn’t it? Ive never really shot much with it myself but I hear exposure is critical because how the blacks turn out and how grain can be a huge pain I the bum if you get it wrong.
Dark room stuff is like, completely foreign to me. Super cool you can do it!
I haven't stepped foot in a darkroom since the 90's... but I remember it being relatively simple - and tons of fun.
I'm only a few rolls into shooting film again. The battery in my spotmatic is dead - so I was using an app on my phone as a light meter... and it lead me consistently underexposing my first roll by a few stops. Knowing that - the follow up roll was much better.
I'm heading to NYC next week - and I plan on shooting several rolls while I'm there.
I shoot a lot of expired B/W film when I returned from Germany in 1980 and put a darkroom into the house we bought. The film was given to me, along with expired chemistry, At this time I have over 100 rolls of expired color and B/W film now that I bought online and some given to me. All of this to include the color, b/w, and slide film will be processed at home. Experimentation is the process and yes it is worth shooting and processing expired film. This is called an adventure in and of itself.
Love it! Agree fully. It’s an adventure! Thanks Lee!
I remember shooting exactly 1 photo that too accidentally on my father's camera when i was quite young. I still have that film. :)
Watched this video because I want to shoot film again and learn about it, to feel what it used to have felt like taking photos decades ago.
Great video! Also in Toronto and love visiting Downtown Camera
Nice to see a UA-camr with a Praktica, those things are tanks.
Cain A1’s are so overrated ;)
It's been a long time... I recently inherited a bag of old camera gear from a customer who no longer wanted them. Most of it was crap but there was a nice Zenit with a Helios 50mm and a beautiful rangefinder. Very tempted but not even sure I can focus the rangefinder & that's the one I really want to use.
Love all your videos, Mark!
Thanks so much for watching Hector! Sorry it took so long to get back to you!
I used to shoot black and white, and slides because it was the cheapest full frame. I'm done with turning my bathroom into a darkroom. Maybe one day when I have more space I would like to play with medium format.
I’ve never done my own developing, never liked the idea you described lol. One day maybe! Thanks for watching Incee!
I shoot film exclusively. And while film from 2007 is expired, I don’t consider it that much expired. I tend to shoot film from the 90’s, if I’m shooting expired film. Then the rule applies, in my opinion. But, good stuff as always
If it’s stored properly it shouldn’t really be an issue.
I have 4 rolls I might try. Thx for the encouragement
You should Tony! Post them pics, I'd love to see them!
Awesome vid mate , I have been into digital photography for many years , Used film cameras as a kid , I had and erg to have a film camera again so i found a cheap £15 Nikon PRONEA S on ebay , Not arrived yet so dont know if it works or not lol but if it does will be interesting a i reckon .
Hopefully it works! It’s hard for these things to break beyond repair. Much easier to fix than something with a circuit board ;).
Thanks for watching and sharing your experience mate. Appreciate it, sincerely!
Shooting 35mm is the best !! , can't wait to get my Yashica TL Electro X with 10 pack of konica 35mm film
This video helps a lot, thanks!
Glad it helped!
shot film since buying a Nikon F50 (well, F70, since i exchanged the F50 for an F70 within a week), then up to F100 and dual F90X bodies. remember using velvia, provia, nph, scala (!!!!!!!!!), and i kinda liked kodachrome 64. but OMG Agfa Scala!!!!!
then came digital. bought a used D80, then jumped ship to Canon - and i have ZERO regrets! and no interest in going back to film. i'm cheap! paying to develop crappy experiments was absolutely no fun at all.
I can understand that, it's way cheap now though. Of course you have limited shots, but it definitely keeps you IN the moment vs always looking at the results of your shots right there.
It's a totally different game, I wouldn't say better or worse, just totally different. For certain things I think it's perfect, but to compare it 1:1 to digital, digital for me would win every single time.
It's weird because back in film school we had to shoot 35 to learn how film exposes to light for motion picture stuff, back then all i could think about was the cost. It wasn't nearly as fun then as it is now, but I know a lot more now I guess. I'm also not a poor student hehehe
Thanks for watching and sharing your thoughts Greg!
Seems to me the exposure that got the best true results was the +2. (I say this as someone who still shoots colour film and has it processed.) This means that your decade-and-a-half old film really needed something like 3.5 stops correction, and that the stop-per-decade rule might not be enough, or worse, might not be linear. A five or seven year rule might be more appropriate, especially as colour print film seems to cope relatively well with overexposure and do horribly when seriously underexposed, and it's possible this effect is magnified with age.
When you put the film in, did you ask them to correct it at all in processing or did they just do a standard colour print run?
And yeah, I visited Downtown Camera when I was in Toronto last year and can recommend them.
Definitely not super black and white in terms of how it exposed. I'm going to make the necessary corrections in exposure to my last roll and see how that ends up. I appreciate the conclusions you've observed, I'm still pretty new to properly concluding the effects of the lighting conditions on the film so added context always helps. I was a fan of the +2 exposures as well, the colours though were pretty green when in reality they were less so...might be the dyes separating with age, not sure.
I mentioned to them the age of the film and how I shot it, but i didn't go into any further details in terms of developing.
The film turnaround at DT was like 2 hours and they emailed me a link, it was super convenient as I didn't have to wait around or crosstown to go back and pick them up. I'll pick up the prints on the next roll i drop off and work that way.
Thanks for your comment and added expertise...and yes HOORAY for Pentax! Can you recommend a good Pentax 35mm that takes M42 mounts for my SMC lenses?
All manual is fine. Thanks!
I think the best choice if you have SMC Takumars is the Spotmatic F. The ES-series have aperture priority but there is greater possibility of them becoming bricks down the road when the circuits eventually fail; the F still has full manual reversion (I see from the vid that you also have a light-independent meter) and a hotshoe if you want to do old-school flash, and has the meter switch on the side which still allows full support of older Takumar and also third-party M42 lenses. Plenty of sellers and good advice on Pentaxforums dot com, but I think your access to and awareness of the face-to-face sellers' market is probably superior to mine.
I use Shoppers' Drug Mart, who appear to send them out to a lab in Quebec (the bad shots come back labelled _sous expose_ which is the giveaway there). I love having the prints in hand and they also put them on a disc for me, which is good. I think the scans are a little bit trimmed from the photos (edges seem to be different), but it's good enough for Facebook and the photo album and there is that experience of going to the place and picking them up.
My B&W, however, I develop at home and scan with a DSLR, macro lens and Takumar-era slide/film copier; the Pentax DA 35/2.8 Macro has a short enough minimum focal distance, and just the right field of view in APS-C if you stand the slide copier off from the lens face by a couple of deglassed filters' worth, and Pentax's love for the 49mm filter thread means that the modern lens fits the old slide copier perfectly.
wrote all this down! MANY,( MANY, MANY thanks! I'll keep an eye out for the Spotmatic F. I see loads of these pentax cameras at the old trade shows so it's just a matter of finding the right one, easier to know what i'm looking for if I know the name.
Thanks again!
Fucking love film. Growing up in the 90s, as a teen, it's all I knew, but sadly, those were all automatic cameras and it was only in 2001 in art school, that i got to shoot a manual and lean to develop in a dark room, which I forgot, because it was only a month's class. Now I want to get back to it. I got 3 analogue still cameras as gifts recently, because the people didn't need them anymore, so Im trying to use their lenses on my digital, but also, get their shutter repaired so I can use them. Also, want to get an affordable super 16mm to make short films and music videos, hopefully I find one.
I'll be watching out on your channel and few others for film related photography and cinematography and the technical process of developing film and post production, how to get it scanned for edit and color grading
super interesting video, thank you!
Thanks for your kind words Tilda. This one was a lot of fun to put together.
Amazing Mark, thank you!