Mommy Meta Is Back...! (Yes. Robin is mommy and busted. Also note: If you had to pick only 1 person to pull, prio Robin > Feixiao. Robin more future proof + higher usage rate) - Also you don't need Moze (but you'll prob get since on fx banner), March works fine too, as you saw at the end, still same cycles - Do you need Aventurine support? No I still sh*t on Aventurine without Aventurine. - FREE Code: XRPTZ8Q6R1T5G Come hangout with everyone! -> discord.gg/T7HQaCPSgE
how important is Aventurine for Feixiao? because you haven't mentioned how things change if you use someone else on his slot. I don't have aventurine so it'd be nice to know your thoughts. like is she still as broken as before? or she gets one tier lower just coz no aventurine?
@@matrixfull he's nice but not as important or necessary as Robin (should be obv that Robin is what makes duo dps follow up broken). A DPS full potential is only as good as their supports
Feixiao powercreeps Acheron. Acheron becomes mid. Somebody else powercreeps Feixiao. Fexiao too become mid. Conclusion. Every dps is mid. Just praise Robin.
@@Aiden5763 she does not need to do as much dmg cus shes fua even if shes hunt...she still deals a lot but fua team coms is more ab doin "less" dmg more often whereas acheron teams are build around her and most of the dmg comes from her ult only
@@kaete_7 yeah that's the good thing about her You Can play her with topaze and robin who both deal really good damage on their own increasing the overall team's damage Its kind of do-able with acheron too if you play her with Kafka and either black Swan/jiaoqiu or guinaifen but you lose on her personnal damage since the jiaoqiu/pella core gives better debuffs for her
I'm not even doompostimg as an acheron main. I'm more expecting within 4+ patches, another dps launches to overshadow Feixiao, and then it will be the Feixiao mains doomposting that unit.
How true. According to a reliable dream, for the next world Amphoreus in 3.0+, in descending numerical order, new destruction, erudition, and nihility units are being planned. Very few new harmony and destruction units are being planned. And no new hunt and preservation units are being planned. Things are subject to change, of course. There are plenty of hints and evidence of a new summon meta featuring on-field summons, such as the summon trashcans in the 2.4 Trailblaze event, Friendship is Magic! There is also rumored to to be an HP scaling meta, also tested out in that event. Some annoying Amphoreus minion enemies are rumored to be immune to all damage. To get them to leave the field, your team comp has to defeat them with basic attacks, skill attacks, and ultimate attacks applied at the right time. That sounds frustrating for all, as most units do not have all three kinds of attacks or do not have them at all times, some have enhanced basic attacks (e.g., DHIL) or enhanced states (e.g., Jingliu), some disappear from the field (e.g., Moze), etc. These enemies sound very anti-harmony. What units have all three attacks? Acheron and her fellow nihility units Jiaoqiu, Black Swan, Kafka, Guinaifen, Sampo, Luka, Pela, Silver Wolf, etc., do. Also, Lingsha, 4* Dan Heng, Sushang, Serval, Physical Destruction Trailblazer, etc., have all three attacks. Many hope these dreadful minion enemies on Amphoreua will be nerfed and/or limited to certain areas and modes, such as Penacony's less troublesome Lordly Trashcans are (e.g., in the overworld and, in a weakened state, in Pure Fiction). And expect more new obstacles to overcome in the future. Take all of this with a huge grain of salt...for now, at least.😊
Why do people act like this ffs, you guys act like units are irrelevant and suck ass whenever a broken character releases, as if the already broken characters suddenly become worse. They still piss all over this games content. Even Dhil is still ridiculously strong in the right team.
Nobody said feixiao is mid AND NOBODY should be testing a fkin NEW UNIT vs THE LITERAL NEXT MoC on their release. There's no way they would release a character and their MoC would be bad for them
Tbf, feixiao e0s1 still has a hard time 0c hoolay unless you’re heavily invested in fua (topaz e1s1, aventurine e0s1, robin). You compare that with acheron investment to 0c hoolay which is just robin, acheron e2s1, galla e6 and jq e0s1, on an moc that won’t even benefit acheron. Feixiao just becomes underwhelming 😢
@@Chorongowcap.feixiao can Clear hooray while having both f2p lightcone and f2p teams like March moze Gallagher,acheron needs 9 cost on a sustain team comp against hooray and 8 for no sustain,also good luck clearing it without e2s1.
@sarettodn5708 I call cap on 2 cost lol. You're saying E0S1 Feixiao v5 with no robin aventurine or topaz can 0c hoolay? Or let's even say e0 fei e0 robin and what? March and galla? I concede if you can show me that tho
Fexiao with Robin is just a better combo. If we're comparing Fei with Acheron then we should also compare Robin with Jiaoqui to get a clearer picture of who is bringing better buffs for the entire party. Jiaoqui is only helping Acheron and Acheron is the only real damage dealer in her team. For Feixiao she has too much premium supports. And Robin is buffing up the entire FUA teams damage while also doing damage herself. The action advance is too strong when its for 3 other characters who actually have damage in their kit. I'm a Jingliu main and I'm baffled as to how much HSR sucks the juice out of FUA team comp. I'd actually like a traditional dps like Jingliu or DHIL again where i don't have to pull for so many premium units to run a team.
Real. I still do almost all my moc 12 clears with dan heng and jingliu teams because I only really pull for supports now to make dan and jingliu better apart from boothill i got him because he looked cool and hes really good for the apoc mode so it worked out
Stop the cope man. Acheron can also run Robin. Powercreep is gonna continue to happen. Feixiao will get crept as well, especially with the two erudition 5 star leaks. Probably a gamemode with multiple high health enemies to promote them, as 4* Herta already clears PF. At the end of the day, it doesn't matter. You're gonna be able to get all rewards. If you want to minmax performance, then yeah, a new unit is gonna powercreep the older one. That's just the name of the game.
I don't like the direction the game is going in theese few patches, every character gets a toughness ignore or weakness implant besides their signature supports tailored for them leaving older units behind in most situations. Let's take Jing Liu for example, she still has competitive numbers and buffs in her own kit but doesn't have an actually good support to buff her so she gets left behind, Blade gets the same treatment too, while we also don't get four star carry options (ex: Hook/Arlan) only supports. With every character trying to raise the bar the game is leaving behind the fun aspect only to make us minmax or spend money to be able to barely clear newer content. Tldr: Give us actually fun to play characters like Boothill and leave this goddamned toughness oriented meta to help older characters. Edit: Now that I replied to the counter arguments with my opinions on them I am not coming back again, don't take it as me running away I did my part and it's gotten repetitive now. Btw go listen to Tally Hall 👍
I agree with you so much 😭 xueyi was the first character who had the ignore weakness mechanic and it was definitely awesome but as of lately, many dps has ignore toughness mechanic and it makes other dps that do not have it feel left out and useless.
agreed i love jingliu very much but she has been made soo weak now a days, everything has toughness ignore and defense shread, but i have a soft stop for old units like Daniel and jingliu and i cannot clear content unless i get the meta units Edit: games are trapped in a perpetual loop wher they bring strong units and stronger and harder content to challenge them and repeat, making older units less and less relevant
@@Astra9a not all games though. The issue with HSR is that they created elemental niches and archetypes with strengths and weaknesses... then they release Acheron, Firefly and Fei Xiao that invalidate all of these things, so the game becomes a game of "I hope you like these units, or enjoy being disadvantaged just because these units don't hype you"
Showdown and the vid only gave a glimpse of the 1st team while the 2nd team has a lot of hype commentary. To add that there was no context on builds and team comp selection prior showcase itself.
It's not about synergy, her damage becomes significant once i put robin with her. But the thing is, if i have robin i would use her on my favorite and weaker characters to put them on par with meta because that's the whole point of supports. So when i pull for a shiny new dps, i consider these things: Are they flexible enough to slot with other supports? Do they work with my healers, do they with what i have? Coming to feixiao, if you don't have robin, her only good option is bronya, her energy will hsve problens without aventurine because only another character will be triggering fuas, So without a fua sustain and robin support, her damage and energy issues will show, unlike acheron who only need her s1 to be fully functionable and there are enough supports that can provide enough debuffs, to give her 2 ults per cycle. So i strictly think Acheron is better. Because with her BiS team i.e, Acheron E0S1, Pela E4with resolution S3/Silver wolf E0, Jiaoqiu E0 with eyes of prey S3+, and gallagherE2/GepardE0/Aventurine E0 wheras feixiao for her full potential she needs E0 and herta light cones s5, Robin, Aventurine E0, MozeE2/Topaz/March7th. With the comparisons, feixiao clearly demands some of the best supports and sustain which can suffer others in team building. TL;DR: Acheron is better because she demands less than feixiao and they have really similar performances even then.
Isn’t E0 Acheron’s best team Jiaoqiu, Robin, Gallagher with quid pro quo ? I like both Feixiao and Acheron but this comparison seems kinda biased towards Feixiao .. if not Robin in the Acheron team why not use silver wolf for better single target debuffs against Aventurine or something instead of Pela
Eh I've already come to tearms with DPS, they will always be powercreept, maybe not in a short time but in the long run every dps will be out damaged as the game fleshed out, unless they do a revamp/rework everyone no matter what role will be powercreept, so in the end use whoever you like.
Icl, remove Robin and her damage absolutely fluctuates. Sure a F2P team can still get you by, but Robin is still a core member of the team, she’s the actual mvp here lmao, and this applies to most DPS in the game, give the supports more praise
I'm confused... how are you comparing Acheron with e0 Pella and e0 Gallagher while not even using her best team(Robin > Pella) and Feixiao with her premium team and giving Moze eidolons? Doesn't make any sense
It’s the cool thing rn to say that every dps that comes out is better than Acheron. Clearly Acheron is still stronger for a f2p but if you have the premium team technically that team does more overall dmg than Acheron but Acheron is still the best dps for f2p just wait till the next dps comes out people wil forget about fei
0:30 is it tho? Aventurine is a single target boss against acheron's AoE damage and 2 phase bosses are not favorable to Acheron due to debuffs expiring. 20% weakness does not cover these weaknesses
Its kinda cope to say that this showcase favoured Acheron when her only real advantage is 20% res. Feixiao is strong, but the premise is just dishonest.
Yeah like, Aven is a single target boss other than the dice which FX handles with her FuAs, and also she gets two ults from winning the gamble phase as opposed to Apricot’s one ult.
I thought people always wanted to have dps that can be run with F2P teams? 😅 so why jealous of Fei's best team when they're the most expensive team comp in the game?
@@BukharaSuparyanto-ry7ig This is again another try hard trying to promote a channel. this is first half against Kafka. and Kafka literally gets booted by 4* units. even my Imbibitor Dan can 0 Cycle it still. even if he's like powercrept to oblivion.
@@marclenraymagdaraog691lisara 0 cycled aventurine with Fei too. it's a little stupid for someone to disprove your point and brush it off as a try hard trying to promote a channel, don't you think? it's 100% okay to be wrong
Please compare her with dr ratio. It's baffling that there are no such comparisons, since she replaces him directly in the same team... how much better is she vs dr ratio?
both are honestly really good, feixiao is better in fuas and toughness where as dr ratio raw dmg output. but both require robin to fully shine so there's that.
i know i shouldn't say this... but 230k is still lower than what firefly, jingliu and acheron is capable to doing even at e0 if you built them right that is... especially for acheron who relies on her ultimate the most so in this sense speed on acheron is kinda useless in the end when you can deal more dmg with her by giving her more atk, cirt and cdmg instead (preferably 4k atk, 200%+ cdmg and at least about 60% crit rate). And there are prob some other dps characters such as kafka, blade, etc. that can also do around 200k+ dmg if built right (in fact any strong dps can do this much dmg if built right - 200k~ish dmg is kinda normal dmg these days.... where higher numbers lies mostly at around 600k and up... i mean just look at how broken BE is these days with ruan mei, harmMC, firefly, etc) - additionally the comparison you're doing here is not really fair here, when you use much stronger supports/characters for the feixiao's team over acheron's team... - if you had put the same amount of effort for acheron's team then she would undoubtedly do much more dmg as well... meaning if you had for example a crazy built ruan mei or e1 robin in her team then acheron would undoubtedly do much more dmg and even had the same advantage as feixao due to robin's ult if you had used robin for acheron's team since just putting robin who is too broken in feixiao's team is already an advantage)
I really don't get how people can say that the Aventurine boss is a favourable battle for Acheron and not Feixiao. Yes, he has 20% wind resistance which means any wind unit you throw against him is going to lose 20% of their effective damage output, but that's nothing compared to the damage loss experienced by AoE units that have to deal with a purely single-target boss. When going from 3 to 1 target scenarios every destruction character outright loses 40-50% of their damage due to not having adjacent enemies to hit, and an even more AoE unit like Acheron loses more than 60% of her damage. It really doesn't matter what his weaknesses and resistances are, Aventurine is clearly best dealt with by using hunt characters who have the highest single-target damage in the game and also character that can easily break him and interrupt his gambling mechanics.
His gambling mechanic is what gives acheron more dmg, she wastes her ult, goes into gambling, gets another ult from winning and then u hitting aventurine with 2 300k ults, st chars have a harder time winning the gambles so they either gotta break fast or they are getting cced
@@Hasaiki12 That's not true because Feixiao can attack the dice once with her skill, 2 times with her FuA and maybe even throw an ult at it. She can easily win the gamble despite being single target and when she does she get all 12 stacks refunded which means she gets 2 ults for free.
@@feyandhisstuff9888 yeah? is that not her best team? 2 160 spd nihility with a sustain that also inflict debuff? isn't the point of Acheron's best supports is to give her stacks every enemy and ally turns?
let's be clear here, if you always stick to the DPS meta you will always find yourself disappointed in the next patch. why? because new characters always power creep other old characters, u can fully enjoy the game by stick to the character you like whether it's design or VA not because that character is meta that can sweep end game content easily.
I think both Fei Xiao and Acheron are insanely top for crit because of their innate BIS support giving a massive vulnerability boost especially if both are E2S1 which is what people should go for
it's funny seeing people fighting in the comment section who is the best dps among Fei or Acheron , while I'm concern about the powercreep is getting worse
I used to be completely addicted to HSR but quit around 3 months ago because of the powercreep that began accelerating heavily with Acheron's release on version 2.0. Had an unbroken login streak until then and I haven't logged in even once since that. I was able to clear MOC12 so it's not like I was a clueless player but it is pretty crazy to see the kind of damage numbers that new damage units are expected to pump out these days. Acheron just busted the ceiling for damage too hard IMO.
I'm so excited for Moze and Feixiao! I'm a little nervous for the upcoming banner; Feixiao is guaranteed, but I'm a lttle scared of getting bad 4* luck. Hopefully that's not the case. I'll have about 180 pulls and I'll go all in for Moze, hopefully I'll be able to get at least his E2, because I really really like him!! :) I can't wait to play this team!!
unfair comparison. you have a 3 cost team (robin feixiao aventurine all e0s0) and an additional e2 moze against a 2 cost team with acheron/jiaoqiu e0s0 and 2 supports with no eidolons. Give acheron robin instead of pela and remove the eidolons from moze and now we have a fairer comparison. I think feixiao is gonna be really strong but this comparison is extremely biased, it just screams mihoyo salesman to build absurd hype for upcoming units rather than properly setting people's expectations
My guess would be content creators are too afraid of losing access to test servers. It is understandable because No test server access = no video showcase = no views. Why do we only see showcases of MOC for this upcoming unit ? this is where she shines.
Thats exactly what i think, this comparison is very unfair. I would see acheron with pela, jiaoqiu, and aventurine. Then, compare this again and I'm sure it will have another different output
In the meanwhile my own experience Acheron: I am inevitable Feixiao: All this just for a drop of blood Ok, to be fair... She is anything but bad. She is good... But when i place her in comparison to Acheron... She is soooooo underwhelming.
Right now no dps is stronger than Acheron. Feixiao does not do nothing my Boothill can't do. Okay sh'e is good but you guys are just overreacting at this point.
I'm not disregarding Feixiao's dmg but the team with Robin will definitely be faster in clearing, Acheron is good but the follow up team is better since it's a team damage game not a personal damage game
It's kinda like superbreak, where both HMC and Gallagher are always doing very good damage alongside the main DPS (mostly Firefly, and also Rappa in 2.6)
@@SmashTheAdam Exactly. in Superbreak everyone deals insane damage. specially Gallagher. If you remove Robin in the equation, you ain't getting sh1t. not to mention this is FULL PREMIUM TEAM all 5* (replace march/moze with Topaz) and i'm sure as heck we ain't getting any premium follow up support/subdps in the future again. But ACHERON can still be improved. If we get a new debuff nihility unit that actually does what Pela does but better.
This is a team game, and Acheron is a very greedy, uncooperative DPS so that's part of the game. It's why Firefly running Super Break clearly outdps (DPAV) Acheron's team; everyone is dealing damage, not only Acheron. Feixiao is a very similar circumstance, particularly when run with Robin.
Well.. Boothill can do that too.. albeit actually faster, if you actually played her without robin though.. yeah ROBIN is actually fcking strong.. did you know?
@@Hhhh22222-w are you stupid brother? that's first side against fcking Kafka, I can still 0 Cycle with my fcking Dan Heng in that stage. wtf are you on about mate? he only managed to Cycle 0 2nd side aventurine with fcking Robin cuz she clutched the entire thing. and the entire turbelence buff also favors Follow up / units that hit multiple times. BRO STOP COPING MAN. also you're welcome.
Just use robin aswell if it hurts your ego to understand its a team based game where you need to build around the good supports...Also, not downplaying boothill, he def can and will be better than feixiao on physical weak stages. He munches on bosses for breakfast, i said what i said above for the others who are reading this ^^
What is meta? i go for my favorite characters which is Acheron and Kafka. (i know Acheron and Kafka team is meta, but you can't pull out character's full potential without the right teammate right?)
Why are you running Pela? If you're running Jiaoqiu and Gallagher, you can run another harmony even at e0. That's part of why Jiaoqiu is so busted Not only are the team comps favoring Feixiao, but also the nature of this- single target, with buffs that benefit Feixiao
Acheron is still better though honestly. Plus they do different things. You don’t need to choose between them if you have them both. As for people who don’t have either, choose who you want. It makes no difference. The entire game including the hardest content can 🎉be cleared with the free characters given. Y’all need to stop acting like meta and what’s good matters in this game
@@tuand7010 uhhh Acheron is nihility and feixiao is a hunt character, they do different things kit wise yes. Acheron is a DoT queen feixiao just a follow up dps lmao
@@griseo7748 no? their jobs is to deal dmg, they're dps, and Feixiao does it better, and wdym acheron's a dot "queen"?, she literally builds crit, if anything kafka's the DoT queen
Brooooo thank you for the showcase… and here I was worrying how can I pull feixiao and lc with only 130 pulls with no guarantee then you show me a f2p showcase like this? Damn…. You give me hope.
The barebacke meta? Swinging her axe and gun blade around isn't the only thing she can do bareback, it involves her, some pegs, and the enemy's bare backside. (It's hanging their clothes out to dry in the wind because they peed their pants)
Bit misleading video.. This is a team comp showdown, not a one on one comparison. Acheron still do not have her complete team, and the MoC special effect favors FuA comps, so yeah. Feixiao comp with Robin (best harmony to achieve less cycles), Aventurine (best sustain in the game, and best in damage too) and Moze (4 star made for Feixiao) against Jiaoqiu (Acheron's BiS), Gallagher (4 star SuperBreak sustain who is there to provide SP and do not contribute in a really meaningful way) and Pela (one of the first 4 stars in the game). What this tell me is yeah, Acheron is much more future proof than Feixiao, and still do comparable damage at the basic level, and has a much higher ceiling both in vertical investment and future team slots. Feixiao already have a full team comp. Acheron have just one BiS teammate. Of the big 3 dps of 2.0 (Acheron, Feixiao, Firefly), Feixiao is the only to have reached her max potential already. Which may seem like a good thing now, but she is the weakest of the bunch, and when the other 2 DPS teammates start to arrive... well it isnt going to look good for FuA lovers. Nothing against her tho, super fun DPS and really really strong. She just isn't Acheron levels of strong. Still pulling.
People are still coping with this ? Buddy, Feixiao literally 0c the choir at 2 cost. U know, the boss that was literally made to shill fireflop and other AoE dps like Acheron to heaven ? Feixiao 2 costs that despite not even having wind weakness.
Idk man. She's clearly performing better than acheron. Acheron took multiple cycle with her bis nihility. Whereas she can0 cycle if you got robin. More is free since u'll likely get him when pulling for her. As for aventurine, galahager is good enough. I have e6s5 acheron so this purely from seeing the perform at e0.
@@deltaspecies1697 ...the damage and break bar in choir is shared between the 3. single target is still super good in this fight. idk where u are trying to get. Feixiao IS good. But the other 2 still don't have their best team, simple as that. If u really think Firefly (who i dislike deeply) and Acheron are not going to receive full-fledged 5 star teammates for them, idk what to tell you. BUT Feixiao powercrept them in the most important aspect. Animation. Lol still pulling. But please do not blind yourself.
I would get feixiao but I won’t cause of the fact I have trauma from building Acheron (but still building her) also I feel like you should do feixiao and Acheron vs the same enemy with both wind and lightning weakness but no supports so we can see who is better in raw dmg cause supports like robin help feixiao be better then she might be
Well, good thing that characters are used as part of teams and not solo. Acheron just got an upgrade with Jiaoqiu, so it isn't like she is unsupported.
Why would you put two characters that require specific teams together consistently? Even if they work well, one of them will be losing out on damg because they're lacking their bis teammates
@@uniwolfgamer1094 Feixiao can use Topaz's signature LC. Topaz's LC apply tame state (a debuff) when the wearer launches follow up attack. Both are buffed significantly by Robin, and both benefits from Aventurine (bonus stack from Trend LC + extra FuA from shield counter) It's a meme team but it works lol
I think the main problem with comparing the 2 is that their teams work fundamentally differents . FUA team is incredibly synergistic with each unit in it whether it be the premium option team or F2P option, the team will do well regardless with Feixiao in it since she's the FUA hypercarry AND the team is also built to do dmg Moze/March. Meanwhile Acheron's teams solely rely on Acheron for most of the dmg dealt, i don't wanna say Acheron's teammates are useless outside of debuffing the enemies to give Acheron her stacks but most of the team is built to guarantee for the debuffs to land so their dmg will suffer to prop up Acheron's ult.
acheron is overhyped, and so is feixiao, pretty much firefly and boothill own the game while himeko and herta mop pf, i feel like videos comparing both of them kinda miss the point, because it is better to compare neiche characters in their neiche, not as a "stronger dps" basis, because if we need to set a default dps meta, the meta is boothill if there is one enemy and firefly if there is 2 or more.
@@duhphuoc7016 K and jiaoqiu does what? Make her better in pf while being only slightly better than sw. He can't provide what robin does for her archtype. Yeah exactly. Ur feixiao would be nothing without robin, the whole team actually.
@@hentikirby7142 Moon just recently did a one cycle in MOC 12 with Feixiao, Moze, March 7th, and Aventurine, so sure keep coping lil bro, also the fact that you downplay Jiaoqiu while he gives a 20% overall damage amp to Acheron over Pela while generating more stacks makes me think you skipped him and are just hard coping the fact your Acheron sucks lmao. Just pull better next time, its not a big deal
Idk acheron can still use powerful substitute light cones like good night sleep well for instance. For Feixiao if you don't have her signature you kinda miss out on like half her damage and that right there still makes her a terrible character design in my opinion. Since that 54% ignore defense is basically needed
Idk why people are pretending acherons single target DMG is bad. Her single target DMG is completely nuts so she essentially stomps fei xiao especially with jiaoqiu rn.
Why use them separately when you can use the Acheron JQ Robin Feixiao (with Topaz LC) meme team? With Topaz LC, Fei generates 2 stacks per turn for Acheron.
For real, I cleared Aventurine 2 cycles faster with a Break Luka than Acheron (Team is Pela Luka Aventurine Acheron. Break Luka substitutes Acheron with Ruan Mei)
My man the reason Acheron does so much damage cuz she Aoe the damage counts aoe together not just single enemy the fact that feixiao a single target does same damage of Aoe Acheron to 5-3 enemies to single one is fucking over kill
acheron: 5 star jiaoqiu: 5 star pela: 4 star aventurine: 5 star if we replace gallagher with aventurine (makes almost no difference because his dmg doesnt matter and they both apply debuffs), acheron still loses because its a ST scenario feixiao's team is still considered f2p as most players should have pulled for robin (i personally didn't because i got boothill) and it doesn't make sense to handicap feixiao without robin as it'd be the same for acheron without jiaoqiu
@@mattplays5627 you might not know this Jiaoqui is only for Acheron since she lacks the stacks to spam ults.. if you replace him with Silverwolf against a single boss. you essentially does the same debuffs but faster..
Mommy Meta Is Back...! (Yes. Robin is mommy and busted. Also note: If you had to pick only 1 person to pull, prio Robin > Feixiao. Robin more future proof + higher usage rate)
- Also you don't need Moze (but you'll prob get since on fx banner), March works fine too, as you saw at the end, still same cycles
- Do you need Aventurine support? No I still sh*t on Aventurine without Aventurine.
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Great vid zeto😊🫡.
Thx for the code and the great vid!
how important is Aventurine for Feixiao? because you haven't mentioned how things change if you use someone else on his slot. I don't have aventurine so it'd be nice to know your thoughts. like is she still as broken as before? or she gets one tier lower just coz no aventurine?
@@matrixfull he's nice but not as important or necessary as Robin (should be obv that Robin is what makes duo dps follow up broken). A DPS full potential is only as good as their supports
@@zmm1337don't feel like building moze or March, does topaz work for feixiao?
This comment section is a perfect example of what happens when people grow parasocial with fictional characters
For someone who has no bias on a specific char like me, I find your comment is damn right
All those paragraphs over pixels are so funny
@@MMDGabrielno hate but you can say that about anything tbh, for example money
“all that for some papers with numbers”
@@Whizojiwell.... The world runs on those papers. Ppl kill for those papers. Ppl turn on family for those papers.
Then what are doing here? Go touch grass. You are sane. Don't touch the community and go insane like them
Feixiao powercreeps Acheron. Acheron becomes mid.
Somebody else powercreeps Feixiao. Fexiao too become mid.
Conclusion. Every dps is mid. Just praise Robin.
@@Aiden5763 loll, oh no shes only 3rd best dps when the first 2 nuke the screen she only mini nukes xD. This feels like cope.
the cope is so crazy 😭😭😂
@@paragonnight437 Dont think shes 3rd either , She'd be competing with Boothill , Boothill still does have higher nuke damage with a low cost team
@@Aiden5763 she does not need to do as much dmg cus shes fua even if shes hunt...she still deals a lot but fua team coms is more ab doin "less" dmg more often whereas acheron teams are build around her and most of the dmg comes from her ult only
@@kaete_7 yeah that's the good thing about her
You Can play her with topaze and robin who both deal really good damage on their own increasing the overall team's damage
Its kind of do-able with acheron too if you play her with Kafka and either black Swan/jiaoqiu or guinaifen but you lose on her personnal damage since the jiaoqiu/pella core gives better debuffs for her
I'm not even doompostimg as an acheron main. I'm more expecting within 4+ patches, another dps launches to overshadow Feixiao, and then it will be the Feixiao mains doomposting that unit.
How true. According to a reliable dream, for the next world Amphoreus in 3.0+, in descending numerical order, new destruction, erudition, and nihility units are being planned. Very few new harmony and destruction units are being planned. And no new hunt and preservation units are being planned. Things are subject to change, of course.
There are plenty of hints and evidence of a new summon meta featuring on-field summons, such as the summon trashcans in the 2.4 Trailblaze event, Friendship is Magic! There is also rumored to to be an HP scaling meta, also tested out in that event.
Some annoying Amphoreus minion enemies are rumored to be immune to all damage. To get them to leave the field, your team comp has to defeat them with basic attacks, skill attacks, and ultimate attacks applied at the right time. That sounds frustrating for all, as most units do not have all three kinds of attacks or do not have them at all times, some have enhanced basic attacks (e.g., DHIL) or enhanced states (e.g., Jingliu), some disappear from the field (e.g., Moze), etc. These enemies sound very anti-harmony.
What units have all three attacks? Acheron and her fellow nihility units Jiaoqiu, Black Swan, Kafka, Guinaifen, Sampo, Luka, Pela, Silver Wolf, etc., do. Also, Lingsha, 4* Dan Heng, Sushang, Serval, Physical Destruction Trailblazer, etc., have all three attacks.
Many hope these dreadful minion enemies on Amphoreua will be nerfed and/or limited to certain areas and modes, such as Penacony's less troublesome Lordly Trashcans are (e.g., in the overworld and, in a weakened state, in Pure Fiction).
And expect more new obstacles to overcome in the future.
Take all of this with a huge grain of salt...for now, at least.😊
@@daitoushoutou that's interesting
@@daitoushoutoudid you mean to type few abundance and harmony units? Cuz destruction and erudition were the two most common.
Why do people act like this ffs, you guys act like units are irrelevant and suck ass whenever a broken character releases, as if the already broken characters suddenly become worse. They still piss all over this games content. Even Dhil is still ridiculously strong in the right team.
@@daitoushoutouthere's also a hint about multiple rows of enemies in a fight instead of 5 enemies in 1 row like rn. AoE units shall rise
Acheron got gapped -> doompost new character -> doompost power creep -> become Mihoyo hater
This is gonna be Acheron main life cycle
True followers of nihility
@@reynoldalezandro6207 underrated comment lmao
acheron mains always coping so hard xd
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@@sandeepinuganti8791you must be a flopfly main
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What we learn is you should get robin
Nobody said feixiao is mid
AND NOBODY should be testing a fkin NEW UNIT vs THE LITERAL NEXT MoC on their release. There's no way they would release a character and their MoC would be bad for them
You must not hang around acheron centric circles on the internet then. The feixiao slander has been CRAZY lately lmao
Tbf, feixiao e0s1 still has a hard time 0c hoolay unless you’re heavily invested in fua (topaz e1s1, aventurine e0s1, robin). You compare that with acheron investment to 0c hoolay which is just robin, acheron e2s1, galla e6 and jq e0s1, on an moc that won’t even benefit acheron. Feixiao just becomes underwhelming 😢
@@Chorongow so 8 5 stars worth of team (FUA) vs 7, 5 stars worth of team. I'll take note to that
@@Chorongowcap.feixiao can Clear hooray while having both f2p lightcone and f2p teams like March moze Gallagher,acheron needs 9 cost on a sustain team comp against hooray and 8 for no sustain,also good luck clearing it without e2s1.
@sarettodn5708 I call cap on 2 cost lol. You're saying E0S1 Feixiao v5 with no robin aventurine or topaz can 0c hoolay? Or let's even say e0 fei e0 robin and what? March and galla?
I concede if you can show me that tho
All the glassing on Fexio and Moze. Robin doing the hard carry and ignored :/
Lisara's vid, f2p Feixiao 0 cycle, no robin, you're welcome
@@Hhhh22222-wthe comment itself is not about feixiao, but that robin was the mvp, yet ignored
@@Hhhh22222-w Video about 0 cycle on first phase kafka. bro look at yourself in the mirror first. people can 0 cycle first phase with a 4* unit .
@@marclenraymagdaraog691Yeah with 20 cost lmao
@@oliveratom59574 stars don’t have a cost bozo
Fexiao with Robin is just a better combo. If we're comparing Fei with Acheron then we should also compare Robin with Jiaoqui to get a clearer picture of who is bringing better buffs for the entire party. Jiaoqui is only helping Acheron and Acheron is the only real damage dealer in her team. For Feixiao she has too much premium supports. And Robin is buffing up the entire FUA teams damage while also doing damage herself. The action advance is too strong when its for 3 other characters who actually have damage in their kit. I'm a Jingliu main and I'm baffled as to how much HSR sucks the juice out of FUA team comp. I'd actually like a traditional dps like Jingliu or DHIL again where i don't have to pull for so many premium units to run a team.
Real. I still do almost all my moc 12 clears with dan heng and jingliu teams because I only really pull for supports now to make dan and jingliu better apart from boothill i got him because he looked cool and hes really good for the apoc mode so it worked out
fr like the dev are so obsessed with FuA characters
@@Dora8197 How so??
@@Dora8197 I'd guess that it's because lots of attacks are flashy and satisfying, like using Hunt path in SU/DU.
Stop the cope man. Acheron can also run Robin. Powercreep is gonna continue to happen. Feixiao will get crept as well, especially with the two erudition 5 star leaks. Probably a gamemode with multiple high health enemies to promote them, as 4* Herta already clears PF.
At the end of the day, it doesn't matter. You're gonna be able to get all rewards. If you want to minmax performance, then yeah, a new unit is gonna powercreep the older one. That's just the name of the game.
the moze build is hella unrealistic so just ignore his damage in the video
I don't like the direction the game is going in theese few patches, every character gets a toughness ignore or weakness implant besides their signature supports tailored for them leaving older units behind in most situations. Let's take Jing Liu for example, she still has competitive numbers and buffs in her own kit but doesn't have an actually good support to buff her so she gets left behind, Blade gets the same treatment too, while we also don't get four star carry options (ex: Hook/Arlan) only supports. With every character trying to raise the bar the game is leaving behind the fun aspect only to make us minmax or spend money to be able to barely clear newer content.
Tldr: Give us actually fun to play characters like Boothill and leave this goddamned toughness oriented meta to help older characters.
Edit: Now that I replied to the counter arguments with my opinions on them I am not coming back again, don't take it as me running away I did my part and it's gotten repetitive now. Btw go listen to Tally Hall 👍
I agree with you so much 😭 xueyi was the first character who had the ignore weakness mechanic and it was definitely awesome but as of lately, many dps has ignore toughness mechanic and it makes other dps that do not have it feel left out and useless.
agreed i love jingliu very much but she has been made soo weak now a days, everything has toughness ignore and defense shread, but i have a soft stop for old units like Daniel and jingliu and i cannot clear content unless i get the meta units
Edit: games are trapped in a perpetual loop wher they bring strong units and stronger and harder content to challenge them and repeat, making older units less and less relevant
blade has horrible numbers
@@Astra9a not all games though. The issue with HSR is that they created elemental niches and archetypes with strengths and weaknesses... then they release Acheron, Firefly and Fei Xiao that invalidate all of these things, so the game becomes a game of "I hope you like these units, or enjoy being disadvantaged just because these units don't hype you"
Waiting for Silver Wolf rerun and her powercreep version.
Showdown and the vid only gave a glimpse of the 1st team while the 2nd team has a lot of hype commentary. To add that there was no context on builds and team comp selection prior showcase itself.
It's not about synergy, her damage becomes significant once i put robin with her. But the thing is, if i have robin i would use her on my favorite and weaker characters to put them on par with meta because that's the whole point of supports.
So when i pull for a shiny new dps, i consider these things:
Are they flexible enough to slot with other supports? Do they work with my healers, do they with what i have?
Coming to feixiao, if you don't have robin, her only good option is bronya, her energy will hsve problens without aventurine because only another character will be triggering fuas,
So without a fua sustain and robin support, her damage and energy issues will show, unlike acheron who only need her s1 to be fully functionable and there are enough supports that can provide enough debuffs, to give her 2 ults per cycle.
So i strictly think Acheron is better.
Because with her BiS team i.e, Acheron E0S1, Pela E4with resolution S3/Silver wolf E0, Jiaoqiu E0 with eyes of prey S3+, and gallagherE2/GepardE0/Aventurine E0 wheras feixiao for her full potential she needs E0 and herta light cones s5, Robin, Aventurine E0, MozeE2/Topaz/March7th.
With the comparisons, feixiao clearly demands some of the best supports and sustain which can suffer others in team building.
TL;DR: Acheron is better because she demands less than feixiao and they have really similar performances even then.
Acheron doesn’t need your harmony character why do people downplay this
Ahh yes, how did the single target boss killer beat the AoE DPS on a single target boss? Definitely can't understand that.
Isn’t E0 Acheron’s best team Jiaoqiu, Robin, Gallagher with quid pro quo ?
I like both Feixiao and Acheron but this comparison seems kinda biased towards Feixiao .. if not Robin in the Acheron team why not use silver wolf for better single target debuffs against Aventurine or something instead of Pela
it is her best team currently and super weird he wasn't running that
Just pull for the character you like guys. This game doesn't involve other players.
I think what's notable here is that when you there's multiple bosses, Feixiao will suffer because of AoE would deal much more damage.
I think robin is the reason for that quick cycle
Nice robin showcase, she's indeed crazy
completly missed her banner and 1000 stellar jades, bc was too busy with life.
Now i not have a life, and grind for her rerun.
Eh I've already come to tearms with DPS, they will always be powercreept, maybe not in a short time but in the long run every dps will be out damaged as the game fleshed out, unless they do a revamp/rework everyone no matter what role will be powercreept, so in the end use whoever you like.
He says ADventurine, opinion rejected
Right? Some individuals can’t learn a new word smh aVenturine is a damn gemstone, like topaz, you don’t mispronounce it as topless right dude
Real
@@higashiwhy nah bruh I say Top-ass instead of Topaz (trust)
I wish people posted more team's without him. I don't have him 😭
@@higashiwhy i've already seen jiaoQUI like he's from fucking French. I get it he looks gay as shit but c'mon, he was Chinese character.
Icl, remove Robin and her damage absolutely fluctuates. Sure a F2P team can still get you by, but Robin is still a core member of the team, she’s the actual mvp here lmao, and this applies to most DPS in the game, give the supports more praise
I'm confused... how are you comparing Acheron with e0 Pella and e0 Gallagher while not even using her best team(Robin > Pella) and Feixiao with her premium team and giving Moze eidolons? Doesn't make any sense
It’s the cool thing rn to say that every dps that comes out is better than Acheron. Clearly Acheron is still stronger for a f2p but if you have the premium team technically that team does more overall dmg than Acheron but Acheron is still the best dps for f2p just wait till the next dps comes out people wil forget about fei
@@thedg2531 Acheron is not good for f2p. She needs her lc to be a real character. Best f2p dps are feixiao, firefart, and boothill.
@@D4C_267 Acheron clears fine e0s0 lmao but she does have the best dps lc in the game yea
@@thedg2531 She's not better than firefly, feixiao, or boothill at f2p level. Just had to let you know.
@@thedg2531 pretty sure Ratio and Blade have much higher gains from their S1.
bro when will you release feixiao without robin vid. its literally ben 4 weeks
And people still say feixiao is mid ;-;
She is mid
midxiao
she already, she as strong as boothill ( boothill not have his bis support yet)
@@notdio7766 who is Ruan mei?
it's just people wanting to be different or those 0 cycle fanatics that don't have benefit other than to flex
Sorry but should've done it in a MoC that wasnt literally made for one of the units
0:30 is it tho? Aventurine is a single target boss against acheron's AoE damage and 2 phase bosses are not favorable to Acheron due to debuffs expiring. 20% weakness does not cover these weaknesses
Barely got E1 Moze from 110 pulls, but got 2 5 stars instead.
Its kinda cope to say that this showcase favoured Acheron when her only real advantage is 20% res. Feixiao is strong, but the premise is just dishonest.
Yeah like, Aven is a single target boss other than the dice which FX handles with her FuAs, and also she gets two ults from winning the gamble phase as opposed to Apricot’s one ult.
In the end acheron,firefly and feixiao are all op
Not saying she doesnt or cant do more dmg than Acheron but using f2p team for Acheron is criminal xD
Check Lisara's f2p Feixiao 0 cycle vid, you're welcome
I thought people always wanted to have dps that can be run with F2P teams? 😅 so why jealous of Fei's best team when they're the most expensive team comp in the game?
besides, is that not Acheron's best team already? you can literally get her Ult stacks every enemy and ally turns what more do you want? 😂
@@BukharaSuparyanto-ry7ig This is again another try hard trying to promote a channel.
this is first half against Kafka. and Kafka literally gets booted by 4* units. even my Imbibitor Dan can 0 Cycle it still. even if he's like powercrept to oblivion.
@@marclenraymagdaraog691lisara 0 cycled aventurine with Fei too. it's a little stupid for someone to disprove your point and brush it off as a try hard trying to promote a channel, don't you think? it's 100% okay to be wrong
Please compare her with dr ratio. It's baffling that there are no such comparisons, since she replaces him directly in the same team... how much better is she vs dr ratio?
Theres comparisons and I believe they both zero cycle
both are honestly really good, feixiao is better in fuas and toughness where as dr ratio raw dmg output. but both require robin to fully shine so there's that.
i know i shouldn't say this... but 230k is still lower than what firefly, jingliu and acheron is capable to doing even at e0 if you built them right that is... especially for acheron who relies on her ultimate the most so in this sense speed on acheron is kinda useless in the end when you can deal more dmg with her by giving her more atk, cirt and cdmg instead (preferably 4k atk, 200%+ cdmg and at least about 60% crit rate). And there are prob some other dps characters such as kafka, blade, etc. that can also do around 200k+ dmg if built right (in fact any strong dps can do this much dmg if built right - 200k~ish dmg is kinda normal dmg these days.... where higher numbers lies mostly at around 600k and up... i mean just look at how broken BE is these days with ruan mei, harmMC, firefly, etc)
- additionally the comparison you're doing here is not really fair here, when you use much stronger supports/characters for the feixiao's team over acheron's team...
- if you had put the same amount of effort for acheron's team then she would undoubtedly do much more dmg as well... meaning if you had for example a crazy built ruan mei or e1 robin in her team then acheron would undoubtedly do much more dmg and even had the same advantage as feixao due to robin's ult if you had used robin for acheron's team since just putting robin who is too broken in feixiao's team is already an advantage)
This is Robin's world and we're just living in it...
idc which one is better, i like both their ults so I'll have both on my acc
I really don't get how people can say that the Aventurine boss is a favourable battle for Acheron and not Feixiao. Yes, he has 20% wind resistance which means any wind unit you throw against him is going to lose 20% of their effective damage output, but that's nothing compared to the damage loss experienced by AoE units that have to deal with a purely single-target boss. When going from 3 to 1 target scenarios every destruction character outright loses 40-50% of their damage due to not having adjacent enemies to hit, and an even more AoE unit like Acheron loses more than 60% of her damage. It really doesn't matter what his weaknesses and resistances are, Aventurine is clearly best dealt with by using hunt characters who have the highest single-target damage in the game and also character that can easily break him and interrupt his gambling mechanics.
this guy compared not even same cost teams, 2 cost acheron vs 3 cost feixiao
His gambling mechanic is what gives acheron more dmg, she wastes her ult, goes into gambling, gets another ult from winning and then u hitting aventurine with 2 300k ults, st chars have a harder time winning the gambles so they either gotta break fast or they are getting cced
@@Hasaiki12 That's not true because Feixiao can attack the dice once with her skill, 2 times with her FuA and maybe even throw an ult at it. She can easily win the gamble despite being single target and when she does she get all 12 stacks refunded which means she gets 2 ults for free.
Literally what i was about to say.....,,
@@feyandhisstuff9888 yeah? is that not her best team? 2 160 spd nihility with a sustain that also inflict debuff? isn't the point of Acheron's best supports is to give her stacks every enemy and ally turns?
ZMM PLEASE MAKE A VIDEO ABOUT U BEATING THE NEW APS
let's be clear here, if you always stick to the DPS meta you will always find yourself disappointed in the next patch. why? because new characters always power creep other old characters, u can fully enjoy the game by stick to the character you like whether it's design or VA not because that character is meta that can sweep end game content easily.
I think both Fei Xiao and Acheron are insanely top for crit because of their innate BIS support giving a massive vulnerability boost especially if both are E2S1 which is what people should go for
it's funny seeing people fighting in the comment section who is the best dps among Fei or Acheron , while I'm concern about the powercreep is getting worse
I used to be completely addicted to HSR but quit around 3 months ago because of the powercreep that began accelerating heavily with Acheron's release on version 2.0. Had an unbroken login streak until then and I haven't logged in even once since that.
I was able to clear MOC12 so it's not like I was a clueless player but it is pretty crazy to see the kind of damage numbers that new damage units are expected to pump out these days. Acheron just busted the ceiling for damage too hard IMO.
I'm so excited for Moze and Feixiao!
I'm a little nervous for the upcoming banner; Feixiao is guaranteed, but I'm a lttle scared of getting bad 4* luck. Hopefully that's not the case. I'll have about 180 pulls and I'll go all in for Moze, hopefully I'll be able to get at least his E2, because I really really like him!! :) I can't wait to play this team!!
Would you say Feixiao is Single-Target Mommy & Acheron is AoE Mommy?? Most people don't bring up the single target thing. Is that even important???
unfair comparison. you have a 3 cost team (robin feixiao aventurine all e0s0) and an additional e2 moze against a 2 cost team with acheron/jiaoqiu e0s0 and 2 supports with no eidolons. Give acheron robin instead of pela and remove the eidolons from moze and now we have a fairer comparison.
I think feixiao is gonna be really strong but this comparison is extremely biased, it just screams mihoyo salesman to build absurd hype for upcoming units rather than properly setting people's expectations
My guess would be content creators are too afraid of losing access to test servers. It is understandable because No test server access = no video showcase = no views. Why do we only see showcases of MOC for this upcoming unit ? this is where she shines.
Thats exactly what i think, this comparison is very unfair. I would see acheron with pela, jiaoqiu, and aventurine. Then, compare this again and I'm sure it will have another different output
In the meanwhile my own experience
Acheron: I am inevitable
Feixiao: All this just for a drop of blood
Ok, to be fair... She is anything but bad. She is good... But when i place her in comparison to Acheron... She is soooooo underwhelming.
are we seeing the same thing? feixiao curbstomps acheron
Not talking about the video. My own pbe gameplay
@@dimitridimitri6994 In your dreams lmao
Right now no dps is stronger than Acheron. Feixiao does not do nothing my Boothill can't do. Okay sh'e is good but you guys are just overreacting at this point.
I'm not disregarding Feixiao's dmg but the team with Robin will definitely be faster in clearing, Acheron is good but the follow up team is better since it's a team damage game not a personal damage game
not to mention robin personal dmg
It's kinda like superbreak, where both HMC and Gallagher are always doing very good damage alongside the main DPS (mostly Firefly, and also Rappa in 2.6)
@@SmashTheAdam Exactly. in Superbreak everyone deals insane damage. specially Gallagher.
If you remove Robin in the equation, you ain't getting sh1t.
not to mention this is FULL PREMIUM TEAM all 5* (replace march/moze with Topaz) and i'm sure as heck we ain't getting any premium follow up support/subdps in the future again.
But ACHERON can still be improved. If we get a new debuff nihility unit that actually does what Pela does but better.
@@marclenraymagdaraog691 jiaoqiu?
This is a team game, and Acheron is a very greedy, uncooperative DPS so that's part of the game. It's why Firefly running Super Break clearly outdps (DPAV) Acheron's team; everyone is dealing damage, not only Acheron. Feixiao is a very similar circumstance, particularly when run with Robin.
Watching this vid bc im scouring YT for Feixiao vids lmao but also the FF13 music made me emotional. Thanks LOL
Just as a heads up: This is beyond whale investment, he runs Swordplay but sits at 73/184. This is not representative lmao
Thank you for doing such a good Moze showcase. Feixiao seems like a very good support for him :D
Well.. Boothill can do that too.. albeit actually faster, if you actually played her without robin though.. yeah ROBIN is actually fcking strong.. did you know?
TRUE, people love downplaying boothill
Check Lisara's f2p Feixiao 0 cycle vid, you're welcome
@@Hhhh22222-w are you stupid brother? that's first side against fcking Kafka, I can still 0 Cycle with my fcking Dan Heng in that stage. wtf are you on about mate?
he only managed to Cycle 0 2nd side aventurine with fcking Robin cuz she clutched the entire thing.
and the entire turbelence buff also favors Follow up / units that hit multiple times.
BRO STOP COPING MAN.
also you're welcome.
Coping 101
Just use robin aswell if it hurts your ego to understand its a team based game where you need to build around the good supports...Also, not downplaying boothill, he def can and will be better than feixiao on physical weak stages. He munches on bosses for breakfast, i said what i said above for the others who are reading this ^^
Take away Robin & the cycle brag will be gone. Give some credit to her.. it's not entirely Fei or Moze that made it. I just saw Avent with 161 spd💀
Why bro so mad?
CONGRATS ON BEING BACK ON THE CREATOR EXPERIENCE SERVER!!!! :D
What is meta? i go for my favorite characters which is Acheron and Kafka. (i know Acheron and Kafka team is meta, but you can't pull out character's full potential without the right teammate right?)
this isn't an acheron ground, it's a boothill ground
Feixiao and Acheron have the same Ult mechanics but she is a single target, but she is still strong 🔥
0:42 Since who is weak to lighting?!
Robin showcase
Just like it's a harmony mc showcase whenever I see FF's playthrough.
It’s funny how we all know replacing pela with robin even at e0 acheron would clear this feixiao team lmao
@@Chorongow Yeah, she is totally clearing 3 cycles faster by losing one Nihility to run Robin... 🤣
Why are you running Pela? If you're running Jiaoqiu and Gallagher, you can run another harmony even at e0. That's part of why Jiaoqiu is so busted
Not only are the team comps favoring Feixiao, but also the nature of this- single target, with buffs that benefit Feixiao
Acheron is still better though honestly. Plus they do different things. You don’t need to choose between them if you have them both. As for people who don’t have either, choose who you want. It makes no difference. The entire game including the hardest content can 🎉be cleared with the free characters given. Y’all need to stop acting like meta and what’s good matters in this game
wdym they do different things? i dont really understand that part, do you mean their playstyles?
@@tuand7010 uhhh Acheron is nihility and feixiao is a hunt character, they do different things kit wise yes. Acheron is a DoT queen feixiao just a follow up dps lmao
@@griseo7748 no? their jobs is to deal dmg, they're dps, and Feixiao does it better, and wdym acheron's a dot "queen"?, she literally builds crit, if anything kafka's the DoT queen
Aged like milk
i love seeing two characters that i wont have duke it out with each other :D
fiexiao is great but lets all be honest here ... its just the robin effect
Honest?where?
Brooooo thank you for the showcase… and here I was worrying how can I pull feixiao and lc with only 130 pulls with no guarantee then you show me a f2p showcase like this? Damn…. You give me hope.
4-5 turns? My Acheron 1 turn Aventurine on AUTO. Feixiao, with her proper comp, should be around the same power level as Acheron.
Im just sad i dont have enough jades to get both... (im still pulling for feixiao cuz she is best girl)
7:46 feixao with robin*
Naw, 0 cycles an 1 cycles already exist without robin.
2:10 wow ff xiii OST how nostalgic
Really bad comparison I can’t lie I get you have to sell Fei Xiao though 4 cycles with Acheron is a skill diff I can’t lie
Thanks for the Moze showcase
Sadly I don't have FUA team so I must skip her💔
she is already strong on her own, robin is a nice to have but u dont need her since feixiao can 0 cycle without ulting anyways
@@robnoob6820 Can 0-cycle without ulting and without any of her BiS teammates? Citation very much needed.
@@robnoob6820 not all average player can 0 cycle
@@RetryAgainAgain lisara did it. but keep in mind, it was done in test server, and require very intricate speed tuning and strategy
@@takaginishikata2050 someone 0 cycled without even using her ult i think.
The barebacke meta? Swinging her axe and gun blade around isn't the only thing she can do bareback, it involves her, some pegs, and the enemy's bare backside.
(It's hanging their clothes out to dry in the wind because they peed their pants)
Bit misleading video.. This is a team comp showdown, not a one on one comparison. Acheron still do not have her complete team, and the MoC special effect favors FuA comps, so yeah. Feixiao comp with Robin (best harmony to achieve less cycles), Aventurine (best sustain in the game, and best in damage too) and Moze (4 star made for Feixiao) against Jiaoqiu (Acheron's BiS), Gallagher (4 star SuperBreak sustain who is there to provide SP and do not contribute in a really meaningful way) and Pela (one of the first 4 stars in the game).
What this tell me is yeah, Acheron is much more future proof than Feixiao, and still do comparable damage at the basic level, and has a much higher ceiling both in vertical investment and future team slots.
Feixiao already have a full team comp. Acheron have just one BiS teammate. Of the big 3 dps of 2.0 (Acheron, Feixiao, Firefly), Feixiao is the only to have reached her max potential already. Which may seem like a good thing now, but she is the weakest of the bunch, and when the other 2 DPS teammates start to arrive... well it isnt going to look good for FuA lovers.
Nothing against her tho, super fun DPS and really really strong. She just isn't Acheron levels of strong. Still pulling.
Chris Paul hits a huge three to cut the lead down to 42
People are still coping with this ? Buddy, Feixiao literally 0c the choir at 2 cost. U know, the boss that was literally made to shill fireflop and other AoE dps like Acheron to heaven ? Feixiao 2 costs that despite not even having wind weakness.
Idk man. She's clearly performing better than acheron. Acheron took multiple cycle with her bis nihility. Whereas she can0 cycle if you got robin. More is free since u'll likely get him when pulling for her. As for aventurine, galahager is good enough. I have e6s5 acheron so this purely from seeing the perform at e0.
Jiaqou not her complete team? How many new character you want for her?
@@deltaspecies1697 ...the damage and break bar in choir is shared between the 3. single target is still super good in this fight. idk where u are trying to get. Feixiao IS good. But the other 2 still don't have their best team, simple as that. If u really think Firefly (who i dislike deeply) and Acheron are not going to receive full-fledged 5 star teammates for them, idk what to tell you.
BUT Feixiao powercrept them in the most important aspect. Animation. Lol still pulling. But please do not blind yourself.
I would get feixiao but I won’t cause of the fact I have trauma from building Acheron (but still building her) also I feel like you should do feixiao and Acheron vs the same enemy with both wind and lightning weakness but no supports so we can see who is better in raw dmg cause supports like robin help feixiao be better then she might be
"230k.. sheeesh!" Like seriously? 😂😂
Also use Bronya with Feixiao! She's actually competitive with her top supports
Acheron vs moze showcase
I mean I'm still here using Clara because she's busted as hell.
Singleplayer game, I'll play how i want regardless if a character is good or bad
10:7 yes robin is needed
Im f2p with acheron + feixia with both sig lc i dont care who stronger i love both 😂😅
Feixiao takes less cycles only because Robin is busted
wompwomp, its the character's fault for not being able to use good supports, its a turn-based gacha game, if you cant understand tat, its on you
True. Even Seele could do 0 - 1 cycle on Aventurine with Robin. She's just that busted.
Its more of a acheron L than feixiao L om
Well, good thing that characters are used as part of teams and not solo. Acheron just got an upgrade with Jiaoqiu, so it isn't like she is unsupported.
@@deltaspecies1697 exactly, dont cry about a support being broken, just use it aswell! oh, wait, you cant? take the L LMFAO
Great Robin showcase
Why people compare them when they can place em both in their team? 😂
Why would you put two characters that require specific teams together consistently? Even if they work well, one of them will be losing out on damg because they're lacking their bis teammates
@@uniwolfgamer1094 yep, but the thing is people usually compare their damg output not knowing they have their own team comps lol
@@uniwolfgamer1094Because its their money and they pulled them.
@@uniwolfgamer1094 Feixiao can use Topaz's signature LC. Topaz's LC apply tame state (a debuff) when the wearer launches follow up attack. Both are buffed significantly by Robin, and both benefits from Aventurine (bonus stack from Trend LC + extra FuA from shield counter)
It's a meme team but it works lol
I think the main problem with comparing the 2 is that their teams work fundamentally differents . FUA team is incredibly synergistic with each unit in it whether it be the premium option team or F2P option, the team will do well regardless with Feixiao in it since she's the FUA hypercarry AND the team is also built to do dmg Moze/March. Meanwhile Acheron's teams solely rely on Acheron for most of the dmg dealt, i don't wanna say Acheron's teammates are useless outside of debuffing the enemies to give Acheron her stacks but most of the team is built to guarantee for the debuffs to land so their dmg will suffer to prop up Acheron's ult.
March is better than Moza
I love when u say "and so this happened"
Now do it w/o Robin
acheron is overhyped, and so is feixiao, pretty much firefly and boothill own the game while himeko and herta mop pf, i feel like videos comparing both of them kinda miss the point, because it is better to compare neiche characters in their neiche, not as a "stronger dps" basis, because if we need to set a default dps meta, the meta is boothill if there is one enemy and firefly if there is 2 or more.
That "aDventurine" I can't.
Had to stay just for FF13 Soundtrack
We dont have an rm or robin for acheron yet. People celebrate a little too early, lol. Ur Fei is literally nothing without robin.
acheron literally just got jiaoqiu, so sure, keep coping lil bro
@@duhphuoc7016 K and jiaoqiu does what? Make her better in pf while being only slightly better than sw. He can't provide what robin does for her archtype. Yeah exactly. Ur feixiao would be nothing without robin, the whole team actually.
Lol mad cringe comments
@@Sagedevault Using lol and cringe in the same sentence? Ur not human buddy.
@@hentikirby7142 Moon just recently did a one cycle in MOC 12 with Feixiao, Moze, March 7th, and Aventurine, so sure keep coping lil bro, also the fact that you downplay Jiaoqiu while he gives a 20% overall damage amp to Acheron over Pela while generating more stacks makes me think you skipped him and are just hard coping the fact your Acheron sucks lmao. Just pull better next time, its not a big deal
Idk acheron can still use powerful substitute light cones like good night sleep well for instance. For Feixiao if you don't have her signature you kinda miss out on like half her damage and that right there still makes her a terrible character design in my opinion. Since that 54% ignore defense is basically needed
When i see fox lady, i click.
Im still trying to get Moze, but he basically alluded every try like hes avoiding prison...
Idk why people are pretending acherons single target DMG is bad. Her single target DMG is completely nuts so she essentially stomps fei xiao especially with jiaoqiu rn.
Why use them separately when you can use the Acheron JQ Robin Feixiao (with Topaz LC) meme team? With Topaz LC, Fei generates 2 stacks per turn for Acheron.
Pokke is much more neutral with his takes...
Cause pokke doesn't wanna admit Feixiao powercreeps Acheron
@@Hhhh22222-w OURcheron
@@Hhhh22222-w Ahh yes, a hunt character powercreeping an aoe unit. Typical HSR brainrot. At least compare her to other hunt units 💀
@@Hhhh22222-w That's the worst take. might as well say Argenti powercrepts Fexiao in Pure Fiction without follow up buffs.
@@mattplays5627A cheron
For real, I cleared Aventurine 2 cycles faster with a Break Luka than Acheron (Team is Pela Luka Aventurine Acheron. Break Luka substitutes Acheron with Ruan Mei)
Zeto feels like the only content creator that uses f2p builds while in the testing server or whatever it’s called, thank you
Is this a joke, raiden is scary still and number one.
Acheron f2p team vs Fexiao team (3 5stars) 🤡🤡
Feixiao f2p team still deals more overall damage brother
You could give acheron an aventurine with s1 and she would still lose
My man the reason Acheron does so much damage cuz she Aoe the damage counts aoe together not just single enemy the fact that feixiao a single target does same damage of Aoe Acheron to 5-3 enemies to single one is fucking over kill
acheron: 5 star
jiaoqiu: 5 star
pela: 4 star
aventurine: 5 star
if we replace gallagher with aventurine (makes almost no difference because his dmg doesnt matter and they both apply debuffs), acheron still loses because its a ST scenario
feixiao's team is still considered f2p as most players should have pulled for robin (i personally didn't because i got boothill) and it doesn't make sense to handicap feixiao without robin as it'd be the same for acheron without jiaoqiu
@@mattplays5627 you might not know this Jiaoqui is only for Acheron since she lacks the stacks to spam ults.. if you replace him with Silverwolf against a single boss. you essentially does the same debuffs but faster..