Harley-Davidson Motorcycles Have One MANDATORY Rule
Вставка
- Опубліковано 30 вер 2024
- Harley-Davidson Motorcycles have one mandatory rule and it doesn't matter if it's a Shovel Head, Evo, Twin Cam or Milwaukee 8. You must control your oil temperatures, the oil is the life blood of the engine. The oil in your Harley not only lubricates the engine but also cools it. To master your oil temperatures you need an oil cooler, sounds simple enough. But there are all kinds of different oil coolers out there. Single pass, double pass, thermostatically controlled, non thermostatically controlled, fan assisted and many combinations in between. It's important to not only have an oil cooler but the right oil cooler for where you live and how you ride.
SUBSCRIBE FOR MORE www.youtube.com....
Random and Funny Videos!!
WEEKND OPs Playlist www.youtube.co....
Bikes on the channel:
Motorcycle: 2016 Harley-Davidson Sportster XL1200CP (Sportster 1200 Custom)
• Harley-Davidson Sports...
Custom Parts Installed:
LED Headlight amzn.to/2LY4NA4
LED Bulbs Front Signals amzn.to/32PjpIT
LED Bulbs Rear Signals amzn.to/2OaqP5j
Smoked Out Turn Signal Lenses amzn.to/2Oaz41m
Vance & Hines Twin Slash 3 slip on exhaust amzn.to/2O9mqQ8
Screamin' Eagle Heavy Breather air cleaner
Vance & Hines FuelPak FP3 amzn.to/2M0tV9r
Harley-Davidson Reach Seat
Harley-Davidson Chrome and Rubber Collection grips
Drag Specialties Offset Clevis Footpeg Conversion Kit
Aftermarket Chrome Foot Pegs amzn.to/30C68SA
After Market Chrome Shifter Peg amzn.to/2LBTTAZ
Aftermarket Chrome Crash Bar amzn.to/308QFhg
Aftermarket Detachable Back Rest
Aftermarket Docking Hardware For Back Rest amzn.to/32RhZ0j
Harley-Davidson Air Flow timing cover
Harley-Davidson Air Flow clutch cover
Screamin' Eagle spark plug wires
Screamin' Eagle spark plugs
Black Front Axle Covers amzn.to/32TrSe1
Flipped Down Stock Mirrors
Motorcycle: 2017 Harley-Davidson Sportster XL1200X (Sportster Forty-Eight)
• 2017 Harley Sportster ...
Custom Parts installed:
Harley-Davidson Factory Security System
LED Headlight amzn.to/2OcFih2
LED Bulbs Front Signals amzn.to/3086pQV
LED Bulbs Rear Signals amzn.to/34VFfw9
Smoked out turn signal lenses amzn.to/2Oaz41m
Vance & Hines Twin Slash 3 slip on exhaust amzn.to/2O9mqQ8
Screamin' Eagle Exteme Billed Air Cleaner (Black)
Vance & Hines FuelPak FP3 amzn.to/2M0tV9r
Harley-Davidson Burst Collection Foot Pegs
Harley-Davidson Burst Collection Grips
Harley-Davidson Burst Collection Shifter Peg
Aftermarket Black Crash Bar amzn.to/32MsUZq
Screamin' Eagle spark plug wires
CNC Front Axle Covers amzn.to/31GGE7W
What oil cooler setup is your favorite that you would prefer to go with?
So I ordered a used take off Harley premium oil cooler for a dyna on the cheap. Only catch is I have to make a mount and a gasket. I’ll let you know when I slap it on cuz this bastard gets stupid hot now
I use a single pass on my 02 FXDL. It mounts to the side of the frame with small hose signature there. I have lived in the Southwest almost consistently as an adult and cold weather rarely becomes a problem. Good point on guys living in colder climates as they probably would prefer thermostatic controlled oil cooler to get the bike up to operating temps. Great work on these videos man. Good subjects as always
Jagg Vertical Oil Cooler Specifically
Oil bud
@@_hitmn_ looking at this now. any issues getting to the drain plugs? I have a M8 bagger.
I have a 2019 Ultra, and no, it does NOT have an oil cooler.
You forgot about the old school design I used to run on my stroked and bored shovel. Which ran really hot. I tapped the end caps of my engine guard and ram oil through it. No extra unsightly additions to the bike and it added about an extra quart of oil to the system. In cold weather I would just reroute the hose and bypass it. It actually made a huge difference in the temp.
That's going old school right there! You can do that with a shovel but not these new motors!
Pretty clever idea 👍
@Doug Robison
I did that back in 77 on my old Electra Glide....Stay safe my brothers 🙏
soundz like an awsum way to cool the oil. Thumbs up on that! probably better than the
so called love jugz (wife was outa town)
I did same with my 2005 Road glide. Wash DC metro traffic heat is crazy hot causing pinging & rear cylinder shutting off nearly every day. My Engine guard cooler with no thermostat solved all my too effing hot issues never over heated again! Cost me $65 and hold another quart of oil too. Old grey beard friends advised never use a thermostat cause when they fail they fail closed. Happy trails!
We run the oil through our handle bars to warm the hand grips ,in the Alps here in Australia.
🇦🇺👍
Penal colony
I've got 176000 miles on my 95 Roadking and never had a oil cooler and yes I've rode through the deserts of Nevada, Arizona and New Mexico.
Like Johnny said I've been everywhere man and no need for a oil cooler.
Just keep rolling, it will stay cool.........
True but a cooler would have helped though. But a evo is an 80ci. I had an s&s 96 evo. That ran hot with a cooler. When twin cams were designed they needed a cooler. But went sideways with larger Finn’s to try to cool at 88ci. Then they got bigger. Big Bang big heat .. just my opinion. Just like insurance. It’s there just In case
Agreed. Ive sat in stand still traffic for far longer than id like on my old 88 and I never felt like it was an issue. Is a cooler nice? Of course it is, but for a normal Joe Schmoe rider its not 100% necessary. Its definitely more pertinent on the larger bore models that come later, but its not a do or die.
My 95 Electra glide has 136,000 no oil cooler
the number one rule! don't buy a harley if you don't know how to work on a motorcycle. you will have to work on a harley!
In the shovel head days they sold a cooler that would mount simply to the cross brace on the front of the frame. I bought one for my 77 super glide, seemed to work pretty good . I put the black one on thinking it would work better than the chrome. Also came with a naughahide cover for cooler weather. Wouldn't these work on my twin cam.
At some point, factories adopted the notion that people with Marketing degree's should run the world. Its been downhill since then. Almost everything is sold with " Features" as the main selling point, instead of Quality, and thats where things go wrong ! I saw this in my industry for the past 40 years, and its like a cancer :(
Back in the day we ran Ford power steering oil coolers on our pans a shovelheads ah the good ol' days 😎 now I run a Lockhart oil cooler with a flow control valve for colder temps it also mounts on the outside of the frame for maximum air flow.
I used that power steering cooler on my 82 wide glide. It worked very well.
Actually it is mostly the Twin Cam and M8 that need oil coolers. None of my 3 EVO powered Harleys have oil coolers, and none of them run too hot. And I live in AZ. The key to keeping a carbureted EVO powered Harley from running too hot is to run them a bit on the rich side. Before I got my first Harley, I had owned 3 air cooled VW bugs. I found the same thing applied to them. If you ran them lean, they would overheat and even seize up. But run them on the rich side, and they ran significantly cooler. Yes, most engines run best (and make more power) when they are on the verge of being too lean. But that is not good for the engine. Since I don't care about power, I actually run mine rich enough that they make less power than they are actually capable of. But they still make plenty for cruising, and they don't melt down. My oil temperature rarely ever exceeds 200 degrees out on the road. That's WAY less than modern EFI engines.
Lean is mean and they run dang good lean just before they blow up. A little fuel goes a long way to cool those motors down, you for sure want to run the Evo a little rich. I've seen Evo's seize the rear cylinder from running to lean as it just flat got too hot. Front cylinder does fine since it gets more air but that rear won't hack it.
Way back when we used to make our coolers. We just used an automotive transmission cooler. Hey we were broke . If ya had any money you used a Lockhart. If ya had more money ya used a Lockhart with thermostatic bypass. It ya used without the thermostat there was a leather cover to put on it in cold weather. I'm in hot as hell phx az these days. Some of my ironheads don't have a cooler. Solution? Ya shut it OFF at long red lights! That's fun when it's a kick start chopper! The other thing is you ride at night and early morning and park it after it hits 100 degrees here. By the way we see 115 degree days often. Try riding in THAT in. Afternoon bumper to bumper traffic!
I live in Phoenix also and it gets Fricken Hot waiting at grand and Northern waiting on a Train to pass thru !
@@michaelwilliams2232 man Grand Ave sucks. It was worse before they had the overpasses put in . Every street that crossed Grand had long long red lights. I figured out what side streets crossed Grand with no traffic light early on. They pretty much fixed that. We still have that stupid train to deal with . I get caught at van Buren 19th Ave and race to the next street to get passed the tracks often. I ride a motorcycle daily. Traffic sucks. Idiots don't see bikes.
@@michaelwilliams2232 That train sucks. Twice a day I think.
For those using a fan assist, for the record the units that PULL air from behind the cooler, versus a PUSHER with the fan in front of the cooler, all things being equal, the PULLER will always be more efficient.
Why?
@@VentiMocha1Rasp Go take a chemistry 101 class in high school and study temperature / pressure laws.
Sorry HD has a inbuilt limiting issue that won't be fixed without a total redesign. Simply they use a assembled crankshaft, something abandoned by the rest of the Motorcycle Industry for the most part 40 years ago due to the problems. Now single cylinder bikes may or may not have a assembled crankshaft but they are not intended to last for decades of hard use. Sorry this problem crankshaft is known to simply shuffle under hard use, that is they come out of alignment. Ever notice that it is very common for a HD to have bad cases when you take them down for overhaul, simply the crankshaft shuffled out of alignment. You can weld the crank assembly to help eliminate this issue, but over the years I have actually seen these crankshafts fail to hold. Seems to be a dissimilar metal issue and the welds will often crack. Next that necessary pickle fork rod system, so the cylinders are in direct alignment functions, no more than that. It is a very expensive design to build and then due to the sharp edges creates weak points prone to crack. Now with the cylinders in direct alignment simply take a thermal gun and after running the bike down the road you will find that the rear cylinder is often around 50deg hotter than the front cylinder or even more. Tear one down sometime and look at the burnt oil in the rear head, and often the rear cylinder is heat damaged, and as you know isn't it ALWAYS the rear cylinder head that for some strange reason has issues. Also the Harley oiling system is what could best described as, dismal. The oil pressure is so low that most would consider on other bikes a OMG failure is seconds away. This is why HD is full of expensive needle bearings, they can drip oil the system. The down side is that oil circulation in a Harley is very very little compared to the rest of the industry so the oil is running on the very top end of the range practically all of the time once the engine is warmed up. That is why HD uses next to grease as their oil requirements, come on guys the oil callouts are approaching that of modern gear oils. Myself after having 2 of these bikes in 50 years and getting sucked into fixing others I can think of something more reliable to ride. Hell even if the old Clinton air cooled engine company was still and business, remember they went under due to them being JUNK, and built motorcycles I am betting that it would be a better design.
I’ve gotten this far without one, I’ll probably continue.
I’ll use a good quality synthetic oil and change it at appropriate intervals.
That's one of the best things you can do is run quality oil and change it!
Oil can only do so much at an excessive temperature. If an oil cooler is added the oil helps cool too.
Serious question...with indian, triumph, bmw, the one ducati as options why would anyone buy an HD?
In cold weather you can always put a cover over the oil cooler easy as taping card board over it. Old school trick.
That's a good idea! You almost have to do that if the temperature lowest enough.
Shovels did that. But the thermostat ones are the go. I use them. Feel the cooler to see if it’s at running temp ….lol
Again!!, another band-aid for a shitty design!!!! 😀😀😀😀🏍🏍🍺🍺🍺
I have a custom 98ci Evo style motor. I not only installed an oil cooler on it, but also installed a remote second oil filter that's clamped on the left front frame down tube above the shifter. They are both installed on the return line. The oil gets filtered twice, it adds a bit more oil volume, and the oil filter hanging off the front also helps with cooling. I have covers for the oil cooler and second filter for colder days. I've never had a problem with running hot. Normal temperature at the oil tank runs 150°. On hotter days, over 100° outside temperature, the temperature at the oil tank never runs over 175°. The temperature at the heads is approximately 50° hotter so my head temps never exceed 225°. Also, when coming to a stop after being on the highway the engine normally idles high, after a minute or so the engine cools n the idle comes down a coupla hundred rpm which means the engine is cooling off. On most engines at idle, they get hotter as they idle. The extra oil volume n second filter is the way to go. I'm not a fan of fans. I need my battery to start my big motor.
Very good information, wish I saw this video a year ago when it first came out. I have a 2019 Road King, 107 stage 2 with torque cam. I went with a Jim's force flow fan and the jagg 10 row cooler (non fan) mounted on the down tube. I installed the oil temp dip stick after installing the Jim's fan so I don't have any comparative info there.
After installing the 10 row jagg the oil temp seems to have dropped 10 to 20 degrees depending on variable conditions (load, road, weather etc). The highest I have seen the oil temp go after installing the Jagg is 232°F, ambient temp high 90's, about 60 lbs of cargo and the wife on the back. Run was about 100 miles. The Jagg does work but not as well when stuck in traffic. If I were to do it over again I very seriously consider the Ultra Cool fan assisted oil cooler. I had a 96 Evo with the Jagg 6 row cooler installed for well over 20 years and no leaks on that one or this current 10 row one, maybe I just got lucky? Appreciate your videos very much, thank you.
I enjoy these videos a lot...makes me grateful every time I watch one, knowing my Indian Chief is out in my garage right now, ready-to-ride! Sorry, but I've just never understood (other than profiteering) why Harley would strip almost every model they make, of ESSENTIAL PARTS that would tremendously benefit the bike or customer?! You shouldn't have to even ASK for an 'entry level' oil cooler to come stock, on a bike that you clearly state 'keeping your oil cool is essential'! Personally, I'd still upgrade to a thermostat-controlled, dual fan-driven cooler...but hey, MY BIKE STILL CAME with a 'base entry' oil cooler!
Think I'm going for a ride, now...I can hear that 111 Thunderstroke calling me over the din of my wife's 'work recommendations' for the house...
Thank you, I appreciate it! Yeah Indian's done a really good job on their bikes, they are some strong motors and they for sure don't cut corners. I have to admit they sound pretty damn good too!
I have a JAGG on my 2017 Ultra Limited and in addition a DK Custom Oil-filter Relocation Kit, that works really well. Living in California I use Redline 20w60 full Synthetic Oil, on hot 85 - 95 degree Summer days the Bike runs temperatures around 200 - 230F., in colder weather it’s 180 - 200 F. I am also very pleased with my V&H FP3 which allows me to keep an eye on it 👍🏻✊🏻🇺🇸
The old H-D/Lockhart 3"x9". Especially on a Knuck thru Shovel. I still find them at swap meets for a decent price. Haven't run one on my Evo yet. I usually run a higher oil pump pressure relief spring since the pump is pushing oil thru a longer, smaller passage (additional 5-6ft of 5/16 hose and fittings) for a bit longer, especially when the oil is cold.
My two friends and I have Evo Sportsters a and temp gauges. I am the only one with a cooler. I run 40degrees cooler than them in Phoenix ....where it counts.
You're in an area where you would for sure want a cooler and keeping the temperatures down like that produces more consistent power all day long.
What oil cooler set up are you running on your Sportster. I too ride an Evo Sportster with a temp gauge in the hot southwest. I usually run about 180-190. Forty degrees cooler sounds good. Thank you for any info.
@@joec1962 It's a harley one I believe. It is mounted on the left side of the bike. In the front (kind of the standard spot.)
@@ACoustaDC Thanks I'll check into that. It would be a smart investment especially if I see a significant temperature drop. I'm in Houston TX and it's a furnace. Thanks again.
When I was deployed to Phoenix Arizona (Luke AFB), while in the military, I threw an oil cooler on my FLHP upstate NY bike, which did a fine job, especially during the summer. (no thermostat or fan assist)
I don't have an oil cooler on my current bike (07 FXDC) and don't plan on it, seeing our spring and fall seasons don't seem to require one.
Thanks for the info, I may look into a cooler with thermostat and fan assist.
Arizona would for sure need one! Where you're at now that bike running hot wouldn't be an issue at all with the ambient air temperatures.
@@GixxerFoo Yea, I'm thinking the same.
As a matter of fact, 4/1 it's been snowing all day, very lite with nothing sticking.
By the time you put love jugs and king size fan assisted oil coolers on your bike, you'll never see that pretty V Twin again.
This is where HD and the recip aircraft engines I work on are very similar. They are both as oil cooled as much as air cooled. Most aircraft have at least 1 oil cooler, many 2, all thermostatically controlled. They have a very large "fan" mounted directly to the crankshaft and 4 cylinders hold 6-8 qts. of oil, 6 cyls. 10-12 qts. Pilots running low quantities of oil has resulted in me changing many cylinders at over $2K a piece. Some aircraft oil additives may be beneficial to HD engines such as CamGaurd and AvBlend but I have never used them in an actual motorcycle. AvBlend DID fix my wife's 93 Civic which went 100K miles with no oil changes. It cured smoking and oil consumption and the car is approaching 300K now with niether of those problems.
It's a lot cooler at altitude and ya have a constant 100mph+ airstream. Not like sitting in snails-pace traffic on a 90%humid & 90deg day. A friend use to run Pennzoil(?) air-cooled aircraft oil because it was green and easy to find leaks.
@@pb68slab18
I have never seen green oil but that doesn't mean anything. Sitting on a taxiway waiting for clearance to take off is similar to traffic on an HD......except for the big fan bolted to the crankshaft.
@1:32 all factory wet head trikes have oil coolers. 🤔 you sure about that?
They don't...
The Free Wheeler is going to have one, but the Tri-Glide won't with the twin cooling.
So, on my bike, 2002 RKC (original owner) with stage 1, never felt the need for an oil cooler. Years ago I bought a temp dipstick to monitor oil temp for the hell of it. I was always around 230 give or take 10 degrees depending on conditions. Mainly California/ Nevada riding. There were odd times when I hit 260-270 barreling along at 75 or 80 in 100 degrees. The battery died in the guage some 15 years ago and I never bothered replacing it. I had seen temps under enough conditions that my oil temp was no concern. I've always run synthetic oil which can take the heat better versus conventional oil under hot conditions.
I wanted to get an aftermarket fan assisted oil cooler but the $500 price tag gave me sticker shock. I'm waiting to see if another aftermarket company steps up to the plate and makes something with a more realistic price tag
They aren't cheap for sure, there's some on Amazon that are clones of Ultra Cool. I haven't tried one before so I can't attest to the quality and longevity of them.
I asked around some years ago regarding installing an oil cooler on my 2011 Ultra Classic 96. I was told by both a Harley maintenance shop and a Harley dealer that with a 96 box stock, I didn't need one. I did solve the problem of too much heat on hot riding days though, we take the car :)
Even my wife laughed at your Harley fix !!!!😆😆😆😆😆 hope you are kidding 🤔🤔🤔🏍🏍🏍
Lol well that's one way to solve the problem!
thanks for the info.
No problem!
My 2021 Triglide is a wet head and it did not. I repeat it did not come with an oil cooler. Bad mistake I bought a jagg two-stage oil cooler in the oil filter, relocation mount and washable filter. Hopefully I can bring the temperature down. She is hot.
I use Harley Big twin on my Sportster 1200. It runs at 250 with Amsoil.. not bad for a 5 speed??
🛑🛑 Great Video….Wise Master.
“The Force Is Strong With This One”!!😂👍
I dicovered amsoil straight 60w for my panhead lowered my oil temp [under 200 deg f ] ....so I went with amsoil 20 50 for my 2003 flstc years ago and never had a prob........yet
If you ditch the cat your bike will run cooler and you can on a lot of cases avoid adding an oil cooler
What do you think of DK Oil Filter Relocation Kit Harley. They claim Improved Cooling.
I have that system on my 2015 CVO Rushmore. Not sure about the cooling part, I got it to make my oil changes easier and it does that. What I can say is that you have to be REAL careful about how you run the oil lines. I felt I did a good job with them but one did rub through after about 5k miles and the oil puked out quickly, every drop. The bike did shut off because of the drop in oil pressure but what a disaster. I wound up replacing the lines with high pressure fuel line from Jeggs which is a better quality rubber and steel mesh instead of nylon at a cost of $75 for ten feet.I then covered that with a quality wire loom and paid better attention to how I ran them. You have to run the lines down by the kickstand and rubbing against the engine case is hard to avoid and that’s where it rubbed through. When I challenged DK Customs about this they danced around it. With the cost of the kit, permanent oil filter and the Jeggs fuel lines the system ran me close to $400 so I’ll leave it on the bike and check it more often. Should it start to rub again it’ll come off.
Hope that helps.
Theoretically you would get improved cooling with the filter located away from cylinder, but it would for sure make oil changes easier with less mess. It's one of those little details I like, paired with other cooling tricks it all adds up in my opinion.
@@GixxerFoo Thanks for your input. Great youtube video's
upgraded my oil pump and plate with an S&S on my M8 '19 Ultra Limited which already has cooled heads (which helps cool the engine) but the S&S pump and plate def helped cooled the engine a LOT. Last year I upgraded my '02 Fat Boy with a SE pump and plate - tensioners are now hydraulic but the upgraded pump and plate has cooled the engine so much that i have to let it warm up much longer to get it to run smooth. So my experience with pump/plate upgrades def make a huge difference in keeping the oil cooler too.
Lockhart on my FXDWG since the late '90's. Back in the day (my day) I believe they made the H-D oil cooler too....
I used to work at a place called peerless of America 2 and we used to make Harley Davidson oil coolers in Effingham illinois.
Now they're out business or being made by our buddies in china. How delightful.
They don't have oil cooler on the twin cooled Milwaukee 8 on the twin cooled touring bikes.
Those really shouldn't need one unless you just wanted to add one with the water cooled heads.
I have an Ultracool cooler and I love it.
I noticed in your drawing you run the hot dirty oil to do your oil cooler first then through your filter I run mine through the filter first then the oil cooler less chance of the oil cooler getting plugged up
I have a 2020 Tri Glide it did not come from the factory with an oil cooler.
My '01 "Wing has 211,000 miles on it. Do you think I should get an oil cooler to extend the engine life? I'm worried my clutch might also be wearing out prematurely. Would the cooler help this too?
The 77 Lowrider had a stock oil cooler, but I'm not sure that it was beneficial. Are you familiar with that type /who made that particular cooler? I think it might have been Lockhart, and If nothing else, I liked the look of it, and would consider installing one on my 97 Heritage (if I could learn who made it). Thanks, seeya
Oil coolers are an absolute must! I haven't heard Lockhart in many many years!
Not required in the north.
I wouldn't think you would need one up there being out on the open road with those air temperatures.
@@GixxerFoo in my area PA we only have 4 months of summer temperatures and no traffic whatsoever. Mostly Amish...
Great vid
I've been considering one now for few weeks. I'm leaning toward the under Mount as here in Australia i mainly do short rides and also due to having air ride on the front, it could get messy with oil cooler mounted behind fender. Keep em coming bro!! 👌🔥
Yeah want that clearance on that bike not putting a fender or tire into the cooler!
Living the FUCKING Dream ❗
💪🇦🇺💪
That's what I'm saying!
Upstate NY here 03 FXDL no cooler 89,500 miles on it, don't think I'm going to add one now. 2014 FLHXS stock cooler
Up there if you're not stuck in traffic constantly you're average temperatures would allow you to not even need a cooler.
Great info bro!
I've been working with ultra cool. And they installed the first oil cooler that's been made for the Indian Roadmaster. And it's been working great. They didn't have to do any modifications to my bike
Another good video. Not that fake news with the screaming eagle propaganda lol.
Lol those dealers love to push that SE product for sure!
Here in Victoria Australia,
Piston rings are cheaper from HD,
Full twin cam gasket set cheaper from HD, Brake Pads cheaper from HD, Oil filters and Oil cheaper from HD and even Tyres are cheaper from HD ...... we just cant get any tyres atm as you Yanks are keeping them all for yourselves. 🇦🇺👍
That's interesting that things are cheaper from Harley-Davidson there, here it's like retail plus 10% and another 5% because what are you gonna do about it lol.
It is mandatory to wear at least one piece of Harley apparel, so nobody can mistake what brand of motorcycle you ride.
Always thought about putting a Honda emblem on my Roadking given how many Showa parts are on it. I'm sure some Harley Brand-O's would lose their minds!
Lol you know they would!
😄 You must identify lol
being a cheep ass is sometimes fun. there are a shitload of coolers that are just as good made for automotive applications that are fan assist. that you can buy for 100$ my roadking cam with another switch alread that did nothing . so if i get stuck in traffic or on really hot days turn the fan on... you have to be a little more creative with the mount but my time is worth less than my money.
They are honestly the same thing, it's just like a lot of Marine parts they cost twice as much just cause it's for a boat. If you do some research you can adapt a lot of parts to a bike for a whole lot less.
@@GixxerFoo for sure on my last bike I had a Volkswagen air cleaner that was like 20$ and to me was the coolest looking highh flow air clean out there. I had to make a backing plate for it but.....
What is your purpose? Do you work for Harley Davidson or some parts manufacturing company. Ive seen you bash Harleys if heard you give them praise, I listened while you said build them up make em faster. But now lets keep them cooler. Where are you coming from and where are you going with all this . Do you even ride.
I've rode for years and years, worked in many shops and independently as well. I aim to remain objective but honest about what I've seen over the years in the business. Harley's aren't necessarily junk, it just depends what you want to do with them and make sure you build them to support what your goals are with the bike.
Hey buddy another great video. Ur the Gixxer Guru. U helped me with the woods cam on my 07 SG. 222 Love it. What’s ur feelings on the 110 twin cam s&s cylinder & piston kit. Thx again buddy.
I used the one at 7:15 from V twin 120 $ plus hose hooked it to the oil pump line then around the engine to the oil filter line . just using long hoses you can cool down oil the Snowmobiles been doing that for years for water cooled engines .
That's a really cool trick right there!
Another great subject. Thank you.
Glad you said ultra cool. Just ordered one with a fan. I live in metro Atlanta.
That's an area you will really appreciate the Ultra Cool cooler with the fans!
I feel ya 100% especially with hellish temps today but.... My dad's 81 shovel never had one. Still doesn't nowadays. But that's my creeper. Ain't speeding around on her fur sure👍
Installed a Harley Davidson oil color on my 83 FXWG before taking it with me to Japan. Glad it was there when transferred to the Philippines. Still on my motorcycle. Have a tempeture gage on it too.
That's awesome! I bet you've got some great stories on that bike all the places you've been with it!
Disc Glide ? I haven’t seen one since I got my 83 Electra Glide. The price for the disc was $9000.mine was $6000.should have got the Wide Glide…Be Safe riding.
What would you recommend for a 2013 Road Glide with a 106 kit 570 cams 2 into 1 Vance an Hines exhaust
That would actually be a really nice reliable upgrade for that bike, if you keep the compression at or below 10:1 with the cam. You'd have a nice power bump and not have hard starting or in some cases maybe a little ping on 91 octane.
@@GixxerFoo That is what I have in my bike what would you recommend for the oil cooler I think we were talking about
My OEM oil cooler on my 81 FXS came with a leather cover with a moco logo. My 15 RK OEM cooler I took the thermostat out, when it’s really hot why wait till it gets to 180. I’m in PA. don’t ride below 50 degrees much but when I do I just let it warm up a little before I ride & take it easy for 1st couple miles.
They don't come with cool stuff like that these days! How's it running with the thermostat out of it just free flowing?
@@GixxerFoo
Good, oil stays at 230 or below unless there’s a traffic light. Most of my riding is in Rural areas.
* Edit. I should have said ET on powervision not oil temp
Mmm funny enough this video did not show up in my notifications😨🤷♂ Good one again.
Thank you, glad you were able to find it though!
Great video, I'm a big fan of Jagg oil coolers, not only do they have tanks on both sides for extra capacity but it will send the oil to the filter first then to the cooler. Can't wait for the next video!
Great point! Jagg makes some very nice products, especially those dual pass 10 row coolers!
my tuner let's me see my engine temp so added luv jugs mity mites because it's a air cooled in engine with oil cooler already.
That's exactly how I monitor my temperatures too is with my tuner, I love being able to do that!
I have luv jugs as well as a oil cooler with fans and a power vision tune and stll runs hot. Nature of the beast. Good to know to flush. I will now it's bout 6 yrs old now.
They do run hot being large displacement air cooled motors but it would be a lot worse without all that!
As a general rule unless you have one with a thermostat if you need a jacket to ride then your oil cooler needs a jacket ! HD sold a jacket for cold weather riding with the cooler back in the day !
Great point! I remember seeing those years ago, I haven't seen them advertised from anyone in quite a while.
At first glance, I thought your shirt said, "Kuckstart." Haha. I was wondering what kinda bar that was.
😄 In that place you never know what you might see!
Just use a high quality Synthetic Oil first. Most important and inexpensive maintenance you can do for your bike. Even HD jumped on the Synthetic oil after they said you don't need it. They were loosing a lot in sales because most people new the importance of good oil.
Good information! Of course!
Thank you, I appreciate it!
What's up bro.?
Always watch ur videos.
Do you think the Stock oil cooler is sufficient.?
Thank you, I appreciate the support! The stock oil coolers are pretty good, if you wanted to upgrade it a bit you could get a fan for it. Harley has some that bolt right up and plug right in, there's also some aftermarket units for that as well too.
I got a 2015 SG , With the 110 tire shredder stage V kit I haven't found any fan assist oil cooler kits for the Twin cam. Only the ones for the M8.
Any recommendations.?
Excellent...helps...thanks
You're welcome! I appreciate the support on the channel!
I own a HD Fatboy Lo, I also have a Yamaha VStar 1100 that, like the Harley is air cooled only and I just don’t understand why the VStar runs so damned much cooler that it’s ridiculous. But there are improvements I can make on the HD , like a good tune and switching to synthetic Amsoil. Dang those Japanese!! Lol
A lot of the metric cruisers, even the carbed bikes had one carb per cylinder. That really helped with cooling the motors, that's something I wish Harley would of done.
Jersey Bagger says it point on!
You did a video about a year ago on cams for my 96 FLSTC heritage softail. Picked it up last year and it sat for like 15 years on a piece of carpet lol. Thanks to you I ordered my parts for my wood W6 cam upgrade. My 80 in.³ is it gonna be awesome, thanks to you I did this and I can’t wait to ride it when it’s done!!✝️🤘
Very nice! I seeing a bike rescued and put back on the road! A good cam in a Evo and they really come to life!
Who cares...Harley Davidson is played out and dying.
They are for sure transitioning, it's been interesting watching the new Pan America and Sportster S the way they are selling. Dealers can't keep them in stock and were only allotted so many of each.
Great motorcycle people. I just took my 2007 Sportster 1200 custom for a ride and since it's about 58° here and Erie Pennsylvania reminds me of how hard riding a Sportster can be. I have intiminator front damping valve and new Progressive Suspension cruiser shocks and when it's cold it rides hard. After sitting for months during the winter I kind of think that's the sportsters biggest hurdle is its ride quality. I took the real wheel off myself and I couldn't believe how heavy it actually is I couldn't get it back on the bike I had to get help from the bike shop son because I didn't want to bang up the axle threads. When it's good it's good and today I'm kind of disappointed in it.
i dunno man ive been riding my 91 xlh1200 all winter this past year and havnt had any issues. starts right up when its like 15⁰ out my oil temp doesnt get much past 160⁰... mostly all stock, havnt had any issues with hard riding... in MD
Geeat video but Got to say I miss the old shelf
You know, I do too. Lol it was suspenseful waiting for it to fall!
Those two fittings right behind the oil filter on a twin cam could you adapt into them to hook up a oil cooler
In the subject of oil, can you do an episode talking about oil filter relocation issue. I am sick and tired of the oil filter changing mess. Does the relocation work? Is it worth it? Anyway thanks for your videos.
Not trying to be a smartass but for a second it looked like your shirt said "Kuckstart Saloon." 😅
😆 hell it did, lol I had to rewatch it to see what you were talking about! Pretty cool little place if you're ever in Kansas.
@@GixxerFoo Unfortunately I'm in Kansas all the time and I've been there lots of times 👍
I think i might get a Jagg thermostated side mount for my Dyna. I'm in ontario.
In traffic that would make a huge difference on your bike, I like the side mounts personally. You don't have to worry about taking a rock with the ones that mount down low on the front.
@@GixxerFoo Thats kinda what i'm thinking.
Thanks for all your great vids. I always enjoy learning new things!
Great video bud definitely a important topic
Glad you enjoyed it, thank you!
On my Harley Davidson Sportster to up in August in Florida the oil temperature rarely goes above 200° according to the thermometer in my oil tank. 350000 miles later still has all of the original motor components except for the stator. It has been more reliable than in my wildest dreams. Harley had a Cool Running long lasting reliable a twin motor in the Eeveelution motor but the new bikes which run 158 degrees hotter for both the twin cam and the ma 8 both have horrible warranty issues that make money for the company. Because your warranty expires, or your warranty doesn't cover the specific failure. Or if they do cover it they put in the same crappy parts and failed the first time.
agreed got a 91 xlh1200 and shes dumb reliable. 300000 mi and replaced my clutch about 5000mi ago, other than that shes all original
Have a 2020 Softail Street Bob. The sad thing about the M8 oil cooler is it has no protection and mounted low. I used the screen from a desk file holder I got it a thrift store for 50 cents. Enough to do 3 bikes. Would have cost Harley maybe 10 cents a bike more to put a screen on it. I live off-road and my area sometimes uses cinders for snow. We go through about 2 windshields a year per vehicle. What chance does an M8 oil cooler have?
I feel yah there, they didn't do crap to protect those oil coolers. My dad's vrod took a rock to his radiator which pin holed it, replaced that and fortunately it only dented his oil cooler. You can't get a stock replacement cooler for a Vrod anymore, I am not a huge fan of the coolers being on the front or worse on the front down low.
@@GixxerFoo sadly super easy and cheap fix. Harley should swallow the 10 cents and put them on the bikes
You pump out the best motorcycle content keep it up
I appreciate that! I just try to be as objective as possible about all the different options out there. No two setup are the same and everyone is going to need something different.
I used to use an automotive transmission oil cooler, cheap and plenty of surface area to keep the oil cool. I made an aluminum cover with a piece of 1/8th in black foam to cover it in the winter. I'm running a 90 inch shovel since the early nineties.
if its so critical why dont hardly put a oil temp gauge?
Honestly, they couldn't sell you one in the catalog would be my guess.
The only rule with H-D is you gotta learn to live with less of everything.
Ultracool Center Mount chrome for a softail in South Florida traffic!
That's a really good setup to have where you ride!
Run the hell out of my 88cu
That's what they were built for!
I thought the no.1 rule was "shinny side up."
Is it shiny side up or rubber side down first though? That's kinda like if a tree falls in the forest with no one around does it make a sound lol.
No with most harley riders its skinny side up. Skinny tires pointing skyward from a no ridin old fart on a garage queen. LOL.
One advantage that the Oil Bud cooler has over the others. You have AN aircraft oil line fittings. The stainless braided line from the thermostatic controlled oil filter adapter. I can unscrew that line, drain the bulk of the oil from the oil filter ( less mess ) and you can lossen the locking collar for the 90 degree elbow fitting rotate it down and drain the bulk of the old oil from the cooler!! Less used left in the engine oiling system!!!
But what happens when you ride through those unseen gravel patches?
@@porkchopspapi5757 The Oil Bud is very durable. I have used mine for the past 10 years with zero issues. Gravel will not damage it because its not thin aluminum.
@@tomedwards3814 I see good to know. Cam you give approx cost?
Great point! Adding an oil cooler does have some additional maintenance but it's what you do to do it right!
Oil temp? I thought you were going to discuss get-back whips and cup holders.
Those are both very important as well lol!
For a rider in VT.........2023 Fast Johnnie Road Glide ST 117 M8.............Who once or twice a year might spend a week or 2 at a rally in traffic where it is really hot.............like florida, or sturgis..........Would a Jims Force Flow, or Ultra Cool oil cooler be better? I have a hard time beleiving Jims can cool it 100 degrees, when an UltraCool is only claiming 50-60 degree difernece.
You my man, are doing a great job. I have learned a lot of good common sense info without the hype. Thanks a bunch.....
Thank you, I really appreciate that!
So if my 2013 103ci Switchback oil temp is in the 200 to 230 range a cooler isn’t needed?
Good video. DW
If that's what you're consistently running at you're good to go, that's about right where you want to be!
Go with a "REAL" Jag. The Harley oil cooler receives oil from the pump then goes to the cooler, then to the filter to be distributed to the rest of the motor. This unfiltered oil going to the cooler first could plug it up, plus cooling it before it gets to the filter could make it harder to get thru the 5 micron material. A real jag cooler goes from pump,to filter, to cooler, then to rest of motor. Just my one cent advice, I used to have two cents but Obiiden took half.