Make Your Lawnmower Start On The First Pull Again - Honda Auto-choke Repair - Video
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- Make Your Lawnmower Start On The First Pull Again - Honda Auto-choke Repair
Fix 99% of Lawnmower non-starting issues by replacing this simple part!
Is your lawnmower hard to start? If you have a Honda lawnmower you may need to perform the simple repair in this video.
Part used in video is Honda number 16620-z8d-305
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Hi All, I have found out the part number quoted here is the older part number, Honda has updated to a new version of thermal cartridge, It's 16620Z8D842...which eliminates future issues, great video , keep it up.
thanks for the update!
I actually ordered that same part number that is supposed to be updated and it doesn't work. My neighbor has this mower and I'm going to look up the the thermal wax that goes with his because his works perfectly
@@Scoffman0 What were the specs on the one that you got?
@@Scoffman0 had the same problem, would you have the correct #
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I’ve looked at numerous videos without success. This gentleman got to the point. He enunciated his words so he could be understood and he showed a step-by-step clear process so you could see how the parts were assembled. Thank you, thank you, thank you!
you're welcome Jim!
One of the most well-done videos I've seen on UA-cam. Not only is the information technically helpful, but the editing of the video is crisp and the relevant steps captured concisely. 5 stars!!!
Thanks Don, lost track of how many times you have helped me out.
Never knew these things even existed. Don't have a matching motor but always good learning something knew.
learning something NEW!, lol
Need to sort your predicted text out 1st 😂
Great tip Don and thank you for sharing. And thanks to all who commented with good info also.
I've had problems with my honda lawnmower for years until I've found this video. Many thanks and now it starts at the first attempt! Keep doing what you're doing!
This video popped up as a miracle fix! I’ve struggled with this mower every mowing season for several years because of this issue. Thanks for posting!
Dony this is FANTASTIC!! I replaced the carb and all gaskets and it still did not start. I was about ready to give up till I saw this video. You are a lifesaver!!
You save me time and money with all your videos!.. and for that my friend I thank you.
Thanks for the tip Dony! I just got an HRR from a customer. I’m going to piddle with it in the winter. I’ve watched your videos for years. Thanks a lot man!🤘🏻
I got the part in last Monday and finally got into the lawnmower Saturday. Thanks to your helpful video I had the job done in less than 15 minutes, and part of that was getting the tools together. Thanks again very much - first crank starting again!
Timely video, just purchased a lawnmower with Honda auto choke system. Had a flooding/starvation problem on our old one so wimped out and got a shinny new mower. Nice seeing how the system works and how to fix. Auto choke seems to be all the rage these days. Personally I've never had a problem with manual choke on small engines. Reminds me of my MGB back in the 1970's with a manual choke for the dual SU carbs.
Great video! Thanks for sharing
excellent ! i have seen a couple of these now with choke issues but had no clue that this piece could simply be pulled out. you areclearly worthy of the title "doctor".
Thumbs up for sure. I bought one of the commercial Honda mowers that had this problem.
Did not want to put it in the shop to fix this poorly designed auto-choke so you helped me fix it.
Thanks much for this video.
Dony, , I've learned a great deal from watching your videos, thanks so much for sharing your expertise. Your camera work by the way is always top notch, it makes learning so easy. Stay safe Dony and thanks again., 👍👍. Personally, I like the "old fashioned" choke cable but I can understand Honda's thought process here.
Fix 99% of non starting issues by replacing this simple part!
pro tip son... Z is pronounced Zeeeeeee...not "zed"..."zed is dead"-pulp fiction...but seriously...get with the program....stop pronouncing letters and words in that UK queens english.
donyboy73 - The engine didn't start because you turned off the fuel petcock and there was no gasoline in the carburetor at that time 0:30
@@bobamericana3099 Hey, Bob, YOU'RE WRONG. He's in Canada! Of all the English-speaking countries, the US is the only one that pronounces it "zee".
@@hughwynn6193 lol, yes i know i forgot it off but there was plenty of gas in the carburetor and you can clearly see the part was defective
Thanks for your excellent work and generous sharing of your knowledge!
Excellent demonstration and explanation! You conversational but thorough teaching technique is Technical School quality. Thanks!
Excellent! This was my exact problem and the solution worked - spot on!
Thank you for the diagnostic video and instructional on replacing this small part - the Thermowax Choke Actuator.
i have to say Dony, you have the best instructional videos out there. i’ve been following your channel for a long time and i’ve learned so much Dony. I’m sure you’ve inspired many of us to attempt repairs that we would never have done without you sharing your expertise. Thank you so much! ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️
Really like your videos they really help me Than ks
Another excellent video. Thanks Don.
Your one of the 6 utube videos worth watching, the rest are just learning how themselves
Thank You’ll for information and advice
Excellent clear video fixed my Honda no start issue due to incorrect assembly of the carb causing the choke to be fully open , now fully closed on cold! 10/10💪💪💪
Don you made my day this is the video i was looking for for weeks. You are truly a blessing.
A great tip Donny Thank you. A lot to be said about keeping things simple with a manual choke.
You are 100% correct! But they invented this to prevent damages to the Machine when hot. Manual Choke is great, but once the Machine heats up for a long time, which a lot of People aren't aware and they ending up damaging the Mower instead.
@@JodBronson What? You mean if they start a hot engine with the choke on? It will flood and not start. Damage?
@@dkupy100 - DENSE! LOL
@@dkupy100 - As the engine warms up, the automatic choke adjusts to the temperature change to regulate the fuel/air mixture to the proper ratio.
Jordan, David Kupferman is correct. The engine won't run when warm with full choke. I don't see how it can cause any damage to it. Care to enlighten us?
I had exactly the same symptoms on a GCV 160 in my shop this week. Thermowas was fine, but the return spring on the choke shaft was broken. Choke shaft free swinging. Enjoy your channel!
Thanks to you, I fixed my lawn mower!! Excellent, easy to follow instructions. I especially appreciate the details of putting it back together. Sense of accomplishment. Saved money. So grateful. New subscriber!
Just did this type of repair on a kohler 173cc engine yesterday, small world
Great instructional video. Just what my lawnmower needed. However I was taught to never start a bolt into a threaded opening with a impact or drill driver. Start it with your fingers first then you can use whatever method to tighten. Using a power tool to get it started, if its not aligned properly can start cross threading before you can catch it. This has always served me well.
I was going to say the same thing, then read your comment. Been taught the same way, its the only way to do it. My father took his car to get a tyre changed and some time later I tried to get the wheel off, they had cross threaded 2 bolts and stripped the threads out of the hub using their power tools. When I went there and made them pay for the damage was watching the guys changing tyres and none of them were starting the bolts off by hand, unbelievable.
Yep. The video was good until that part. I love my impacts, but I'll never start the bolts with them.
I have a same engine on my lawn mower, so this video will help me in near future...
Thanks for sharing your knowledge....
Thank you for this video! I’ve had nothing but problems with our HRX mower and this is the reason why. Just ordered the thermostat choke part. I’ve done every other Maintainance item you can do, including complete carb clean and several fuel additives to clean lines. This HAS to be it!
Someone should make a manual choke conversion kit. Automatic choke on small engines is unecessary and ridiculous, just decreases reliability
Auto choke is good since it chokes it for you without having to fiddle with the choke to start a normal engine.
autochokes was a dumb idea, same with fixed throttles. the manual chokes and throttle control are much better.
I suspect Troy-Bilt wanted to make it foolproof for the operator, so they went to auto-choke, and full throttle only. Just pull the cord. The model before the wax insert has a bimetal spring for auto-choke and it actually worked better. But I can see they want to make it simple for anyone to start. We just have to suffer through their trial-and-error designs.
It's all about emissions, and idiot proof starting (when it works like it should)
Yep, i took all that auto crap off my honda, ran a wire to choke and a wire to throttle. Now i have full control as it should be.
Another great video on how to fix simple small engine problems! I have the same mower and I knew it was a auto choke problem, just couldn't find what part made the auto choke work, easier than I thought it would be. Camera work was excellent, always focused where it needed to be, detailed explanation on the problem. Thank you very much for taking the time to make this video.
I tried pulling the thermo wax part out but it was completely stuck. I ended up really messing up the old part trying to pull it out. Any suggestions?
Allen this happened to me too. Someone had used black gasket seal and the thermowax capsule was stuck in its hole. I finally had to use a pair of needle nose Vice grips to wiggle and pull it out finally. I’d like to know if the Honda factory did this with the gasket cement??? Or is this in the service manual to use gasket seal.
@@Fresh-tw7ev You are supposed to use the liquid gasket to set the thermo wax part in place, not just pop it in. When you remove the old one you have to dig out any gasket left in the hole with a small screwdriver and compressed air.
@@danwhite6075 it’s working totally fine without any gasket seal.
@@Fresh-tw7ev That's great but Honda uses the gasket for a reason I have to assume. I have some sitting around so I put a dab on it. No harm in not using it I suppose. It's easy enough to put some on if you have problems.
Thank you so much for posting this. By and large, your instruction was spot on... for your mower. I learned a few things: 1. Not all Honda Harmony mowers are the same; 2. Mine has a different thermo wax mechanism and only discovered this after I removed the carburetor; 3. mine also has additional cables for a throttle and speed control. These are bolted on the side of the engine, and must be removed in order to get one’s hands behind the housing to align the bolts, gaskets, and reattach the air hose. Hope this additional information is helpful to your followers! $8 part, and figured I saved more than $200. Thanks again!
Thats what I love about donyboy73 videos, he just talks clearly about the task at hand, no other external unrelated bullshit. Fantastic clear voice, tone and volume perfect. Exactly what is needed for instructional videos.
Consistently ranked at the top of Consumer Reports best mowers...I love my Honda. This is a great auto-choke system that's easy to repair if it fails. Thanks Don!!
@Walter Sobchak There's absolutely nothing wrong with a manual choke, Walter. My Honda is 10 years old, doesn't have a auto-choke and it works fine; my point is if your mower has an auto-choke, the one made by Honda equals are beats the competition. Thanks Bud!!
Yes it is easy.
I wish honda would just keep it simple and stick with a fully manual choke and avoid potential problems.
@Russ Gallagher yea it's all bullshit. Epa needs to be limited to their restrictions.
@@johncuervo3019 I've had my honda mower for about ten years so I haven't been in the market since. Are all mower engines like that now? I have a Briggs engine on my 2011 snowblower . That has a manual choke.
Russ Gallagher more senseless garbage. Who leaves a choke on anyways, it ridiculous🙄
These corporations have to support their vendors and retailers this is why they make Junk Parts as well as Reliable Parts this is why Mercedes-Benz put there heater blower control unit integrated circuit chip in the bottom of the blower and you have to remove the entire front of the dashboard to get to it this is deliberate
not just honda briggs kohler and the chinese are all using auto chokes. And for some reason they think they need to be aerodynamic so put cowlings over everything. Ive been a small engine mechanic for 27 years there has been no real improvement too any of what is commonly used today be it a mower or a chainsaw. The only thing refined is they have got the lifespan cut by at least half if not more and the costs of making way down
Thanks. My Honda wasn't starting. I figured it had something to do with the choke and your video helped me get the right part and fix it. I'm good to go now.
Donyboy does it again. Like others said, this fix worked for me like a charm. I only wish I found this video last summer and saved a season of headaches.
I love your channel! So educational.
Have you ever rebuilt one of these CGV engines?
no I haven't
Because a simple manual choke lever was just too complicated...I'll stick with my old stuff with manual chokes that never fail to work.
Yeah it's getting pretty bad when people won't even reach down and pull a choke to the off position.
Yup. Exactly my issue. Thx a bunch.
Once again, another aesome tip to fix a small problem. Thanks Dony. You're of GREAT help.
Honda fixing a problem that doesn't exist. Making a simple engine more complicated for no reason at all.
The reason is that most people are too stupid to understand how to use a choke, so Honda did them a favour and installed one for them. Add more crap to any machine and it's gonna break.
I guess most guys looking for curb side junk love these, mower won't start, junk it and buy a new one.
@@dwoodog my state wont give anything away . i am yet to see a curbside yard equipment find for free.
I think Kohler auto choke system Is the worst. Primer bulb was the way......
They have improved this auto choke system on the new Honda GCVx engines by repositioning give thermowax cartridge.
Don't, there was/is a service bulletin from Honda addressing this same issue. It would be replaced free of charge while under warranty, and sometimes as a special policy, if unit is "just out" American Honda (or Canadian counterpart) authorizes. Still great information.
I used this to repair my lawnmower, it works. Thank you so much
Thank you, your video shows very well how to put everything back on. Have a good day sir.
Man I miss my Honda Commercial walk behind... thing ran for 25 years and always started on 1 - 1 1/2 pulls... always.
Commercial mowers are designed and built with better quality materials and last much much longer. Those box store models are NOT of the same quality. I know a Honda dealer that loves to show his customers the difference. He even has both types disassembled on the showroom floor so he can show you the differences.
RC Hobbyist Extreme big time difference! Solid steel deck for starters... way better wheels, better engine... just solid and ready for business... the deck on mine finally passed away after all that time... it literally ran for 25 years... was still running but I let it go... hard decision but I did what I had to... bet it still starts... lol
The gas tap was turned off at first
@Oops Oops They havent even used this technology for 15 years.
@Oops Oops liar ass. You would have a manual choke
@@johncuervo3019 im not sure it had manual choke. Maybe primer bulb. At one point they had an autochoke that used the force of air off the flywheel to open it.
@@ChuckWood I remember them!
So it started, and ran with the tap off. Maybe it possible to run off oxygen?, lol
I'd say he does what we all do by turning off the fuel tap.
My prob is I forget to turn it back on again when it's mowing time. :)
I've read quite a few comments and one guy says 2 years. shit!
Might just use 'Start Ya Bastard' when it eventually fails.
Excellent video! Very well explained. I have a Honda mower and was curious how the auto choke worked and now I know! Thanks.
Oh my god thank you for this video! I've been chasing this problem for a week now and it was driving me crazy!!
My 13 year old daughter figured out how to use the choke to start our early 2000's Honda mower in about 15 seconds...maybe less. The engineers at Honda 'over thunk' the process and designed a system that will fail every two years. GRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!
cbsctomh I prefer manual chokes much more but I have had an auto choke Honda push mower for over 12 years now and it has surprisingly always started first pull without any problems.
I have one of these engines with the choke lever that auto-returns when you squeeze the handle bar. Not at all impressed with it. I own many pieces of lawn equipment and it's the only one that has fuel/carb issues.
Thanks for your video ...Had to same problem
This fixed my mower, for some reason my cartridge was glued in with what appeared to be hi-temp silicone. took a while to figure out how to get it out, but I did, replaced it and now all is well. Thank you, I hope all the folks that are having this trouble with their lawn mower find this video.
Thank you so much for this video!! You explain things very thoroughly where I could actually tackle this project myself. Only problem was when I was attempting to remove the thermowax cartridge it was EXTREMELY difficult to remove and took at least 5 minutes with trying to pull on it to get it out. As I was trying to get it out and once I finally did I noticed quite a bit of gunk on it (a black/dark brown color) which is what I'm sure basically "glued" it in place. Do you have any recommendations on how to clean out the cartridge space before I replace it with a new one?
i use a small pick or flat screwdriver
Ok, great! Thanks for the tip and for your response!
@@donyboy73 dony this happened to me too. Very tightly locked into place with black gasket seal. Does the Honda factory install these cartridges on purpose that way?? And the real reason I came to your site is to ask…when I’m replace the thermowax cartridge should I use black gasket seal or just clean out the hole and go with a dry fit???
@@Fresh-tw7ev I just insert new one without using anything
My Honda mower is so hard to start. It has the rechargeable automatic starter but it won't start it from cold. After a couple years old and it wouldn't start right away, I always wondered why it didn't have the choke button to press 3 times before starting like my old mowers had. I finally discovered a hack to start it: fill gas tank, then roll the mower on its side to the right until deck is perpendicular to the ground (as if you were to inspect the blades), then flip it back upright and use the pull-start. If it doesn't start within 3 pulls, try flipping it over to its side again.
Recently I noticed that the engine said it had an auto choke and I then went hmmm I bet there's something wrong with that feature and sure enough Google brought me right here! I'll be glad to do away with my flip-start hack if this fix works for me. 😋
Update: replaced the part and it now starts on first pull from cold! No more flip-starts for me. 😁
@@Rein_Ciarfella Noooo, just get the fix! I don't miss it since I got the fix. I hope I didn't start a trend 🙃
Another great video. Thanks for taking the time and showing us your tricks!!
Excellent! We're going to try this to fix our lawnmower. Thank you.
Look at 2:22, fuel valve goes from closed to open....
I was thinking, now THAT could be your problem right there!
Bogus video?
My honda hrt 216 thats over 10 years old starts 1st pull everytime. However it does have the choke on the handle throttle lever so I guess I'll stay away from auto choke honda mowers.
@Big Texas problem is they are all going to this auto choke crap. Can`t find a new one without it.
Excellent video, very well explained and filmed. Thank you!
I have this mower ...works great ...thnx for the heads up !!😃😃
The choke pellet was Honda's idea of maintaining continuous cash flow to their dealer franchises. Honda, Toyota, and Mazda have become masters at sucking cash from buyers of their products. All the while bragging about their superior quality.
Did you say common sense . I haven't heard or seen this in 25 years . Thanks
Common sense is rare thing to come by these days..
Another outstanding tip from an outstanding technician.
He's the best online small engine repair teacher in my opinion.
The video I want to see is how to convert it to a manual choke ...
I did one recently for a customer.
I found I had to install a separate choke cable but otherwise pretty simple. The cable I used was just a push/pull type.
Looks to me like your fuel shut off, is off. At the beginning of the video.
Good eye Blaine.... maybe though he did that intentionally for his video demonstration
This video helped me a bunch, thanks. I cleaned up the carb, but was still having problems. Replaced the cartridge and she fired right up.
Thanks! Grate video, I don't have any problems with this but i love learning something new. This knowledge is going to come in handy the first time I see this problem.
I have that exact mower with that exact problem. Auto choke is a joke shame on you Honda!
i wish they put the same quality as in their motorcycles
Was I one of the only few that noticed that the fuel line was off in the beginning?
yes it was off but fuel was in carb and you could clearly see in video the pin was defective
@@donyboy73 tell em dony
Thank you so much for this great video. This solved my problem and my HRX 217 starts on the first pull again. Thank you.
Thanks for putting this up! Just bought a HRX217 a couple of years ago and I'm sure it has the Thermowax pin. I'll keep an eye on it. I'm glad UA-cams algorithms are bringing your channel back up again I think I've missed you for a few years. Anyways, Thanks for putting this up!
When it wasn’t starting, you had the fuel tap OFF!
yes but the fuel was in carb
Sometimes i forget to turn the fuel tap ON, suddenly my mower dies!, DOH! lol
As AvE would say, "Engineered to fail". Expected better from Honda.
Christian Riera ya but at least they made it very simple and not terrible expensive
Do they fail often?
Thanks! Best info I've found on that lawnmower.
Another great and informative video by the King of small engine repair. Thanks Don!
I needed this so very badly. Thank you, thank you.
Thanks for this video. Completely fixed my Honda lawn mower. Simple 10 minute job and it now starts on first pull again after two years!
WoW, is that the average life of that little wax pellet piece?
Great fix Donny! Would never have thought of that. You're the man!
Thank you donyboy just fixed my 7 year old HRX217VKA with the GCV190 Honda engine by replacing this part for $11.26 from the local ACE hardware store. Mine was hard to start the first time but easy after started once. Now it starts easy no matter when. They had it on hand so no need to wait either👍
bruh your the best small motor mechanic ever. there is a huge difference in mechanics small motors is a art
Great step by step video for an inexpensive fix. You do a great job with your videos. Thanks for your help!
Thank you! It worked just like you said it would!
Great video on my exact HONDA mower problem
Excellent video, thank you so much for being so thorough and trying to start your mower..sounds just like mine! Excited to make repairs! Appreciated you.
Thank you, thank you for the tip! You are a life saver! Had the same problem with 2 Hondas and could not figure out the problem!
Excellent info. Thanks.
Just want to say thank you ever so much for your help, was stuck with this problem for a week and so stressed what to do to fix it and if i get someone over to have a look at it I have to pay even though its new but i don't have any proof. the choke cleaner was a VERY good idea it worked from the 1st try. I so appreciated your advice. Thanks again.
Thank you for your time.
Awesome video. This is the second time i watched this and learn something new both times.
Thank you so much - should improve my lawnmower starting . . .
Thank you. Timely information presented succinctly.
Just wanted to say thanks. I just swapped a gcv160 onto a weed trimmer and wasn't sure how the auto choke worked. I appreciate it.
Very nicely done. Thanks.
I’ve bought two new mowers in the last few years. One Troy Bilt self propelled and a Husqvarna push mower and bought them specifically for theHonda GVC 160 engines. They’re very reliable and easy to work on.
Very common lawnmower I have one myself thank you for your video