Leica CL: EVF/AF M10, 1/3 Price, 2/3 Weight, 9/10 IQ
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- Опубліковано 4 вер 2024
- Unequivocally: the CL is a 1/3 the price, 2/3 the weight, 9/10 the image quality in the real world, M10 -- with the EVF I wanted AND the autofocus I occasionally need. It is THE most compact, cost effective and aesthetically integrated tool for M-glass, full stop.
Of course, reasonable people may disagree, but the bottom line is: I'm trading in my TL2 for one.
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Other notes:
1) Yep, that's the 60-year old slide in the opener that started my life-long love for photography, shot on a Leica IIIa by my mother, But taken in a rush on an iPhone, the shot of it doesn't begin to communicate what I saw as a small boy. I'll redress that at a later date.
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3) I'm delighted that this video is brought to you by Leica (guys, thanks so much for making this possible) but they had NOTHING to do with the final content beyond being exceptionally patient with me and loaning me all the gear I asked for -- except for an SF 60 flash and SF C1 remote controller, but hey, I'm not a Mark Cohen or Bruce Gilden shooter, so it's fine.
What I like about this guy is that he acknowledges his prejudices, but then he sets them aside and he learns, he learns, he learns. And then he teaches. He includes many little hints and gems about his process in each of these videos and he's is generous in doing so!
I really enjoyed the points you made in your intro. People are so crazy about specs and features nowadays that the pure enjoyment of simply doing photography and liking what you like is lost.
Justin Arend When you compare what we have to what the greatest photographers of all time had, it’s an embarrassment of riches.
I've shot Leica for over 20 years. All the M's (M4, M6, M7 and now the M10) and the S too. I got the CL and it's replaced my M10 for daily shooting. Light, fast and wonderful to use.
What are your favourite two lenses to use with the CL?
@@pbcana Too bad, some people don't answer on UA-cam ...
UnderBridge Rock I’ve not use the m9. I will say that the image quality is just a hair under the m10 though.
James C sorry it’s been a year. Just realized you asked this. I love the 23 and the 35. Amazing lenses.
What an amazing camera. Have had a CL for a month or so, bought it in a kit with the 18-56. I was fully prepared to be disappointed with that lens, but the quality of what I can achieve has shocked me with how much detail I can pull. Added the TL 35mm 1.4 a few weeks later for some portrait stuff and I'm nearly there!
Have never owned a camera that made me think about using it 24/7, and my wife has caught the bug too. It's just so much fun to use in manual mode with the ease of use and rewarding IQ when you hit the mark. So happy with it we are contemplating buying another so there are no arguments haha.
When life partners find a common enthusiasm...MAGIC. Delighted for you both!
Love your expressions of joy and happiness with your decision and camera. May it continue to bring you joy, happiness and of course, great photos!
Rekishi no Tabi Thank you!
Absolutely enjoy your take on Leica. Everything you speak of is exactly why I prefer to shoot with Leica vs. all other cameras (and I've shot with many of them!). I think the CL is an excellent design and I love how it resembles the beautiful 3! Now, I need to decide between the Q2 or the CL. Last night I was determined it would be the Q2...but upon further consideration, the CL is once again entering the scene. Fantastic analysis of this camera.
:) I decided on the CL because I like interchangeable lenses, but the Q2 is great!
The most polished theatrical presenter on the internet, loved it.
So glad you enjoy the work 🙏🏻
very much
mark y WHAT?!?!? It's a pretentious dude with a goatee talking for half an hour while sitting in front of horrible drapes.
Sorry you didn't like, that's what makes the world an interesting place, lots of variety in opinion.
JL Williams:
Such is life.
Cartier-Bresson changed the world with his camera. But give an infant a camera and he will only slobber on it.
My dad gave me Leica binoculars back in the late 90’s and they blew my mind. I’ve given those to my son and picked up new Leica’s easier on my aging eyes. That present from my dad led me to the Leica X1 (used) and now I’m trying to learn the CL (used). Enjoy your channel.
Welcome - and enjoy your gear! I have a set of Leica binoculars, too - brilliant
Gahhhhh! There goes that GFX50R I was saving up for. I’d never been interested in APS-C Leicas until I handled a CL at Park Cameras in Burgess Hill, soon after it arrived in the UK. As soon as I saw it in the cabinet, I thought, “There is the new Leica 1”. People say Leica 3, but it’s the 0 or the 1 I’m most reminded of. And even after a few minutes trying it out, my reaction was, “This is different; this is impressive.”
Pros need cameras they can stake their livelihood on. This camera is not for them, but for people who take photographs for the sake of love: amateurs. We have to go back to the original meaning of “amateur” to be reminded that these are people whose labours are labours of love, not maladroit or botched but executed with craft, dedication, perhaps even infatuation. So a true amateur photographer wants a camera he or she can love like a much-loved friend; a camera they are delighted by, pleased to keep close at hand and which becomes instrumental and indivisible from the rest of their lives.
Can you put a price on that?
I like to be a slayer of truisms and so I am prepared to say that the best camera in the world is not the one you have with you, but the one you can’t put down.
Simon Tasker I LOVE your new truism, Simon. Spot-on (as is your point about the amateur spirit). I so enjoy your missives!
"The one you can't put down". That is GOLD.
BTW I would stake my livelihood on this camera. I've used lesser cameras for work and they did just fine. ;-)
That's a very nice way of putting it Simon. And while I haven't shot a Leica yet, I feel very similarly about my X-T1 despite my gripes with its (and the pancake I have practically glued to it) autofocus.
You just enjoy shooting with it, and even if I miss a few shots, I think this is the camera that'll stay with me for a very long time - there's just something special about the black and white (and classic chrome) images coming out of it. The way the glass renders the image and the grain structure compliments it.
Sorry I went off on a thing there for a bit - point being, keep the camera that speaks to your heart (and hands). People hop systems for specs so much, it's easy to get lost in all the digital bits. That's why I appreciate the comment sections under these videos so much - people sharing their thoughts on what they love, not tearing down one system or another for missing this or that feature. It's a great community.
Jenny Darukat just so, Jenny!
Yeah, I love that. I feel this way about the M9 and Ricoh GR.
Thanks for the video Hugh. The CL has brought back joy in photography for me. I take it everywhere I go because it's such a compact camera. The quality is what you expect from a Leica camera. I can really find myself in the positive as negative arguments with this camera. Personally I think the CL will be a real underdog Leica camera...
Just did a corporate portrait shoot using the CL + APO-Summicron-M 75mm f/2 ASPH + Elinchrom lights + a 2018 iPad with the latest Leica Photo App. Leica recently posted improvements to the APP but the camera/iPad WLAN connection died almost constantly while viewing pictures. As Leica works on this problem, I will continue to use this combo, as results are stellar and the clients very enthousiastic.
Bunker Bunt Important feed back for Leica! Thanks for sharing!
I also had issues with the app. You need to update your firmware to the newest version and then use the Leica fotos app and not the Leica CL app.
Hugh. The timing of this vlog is perfect. I had a huge dilemma whether to buy the SL or Q, ideally I wanted a Q with interchangeable lenses (don't we all), I did take a glance at the CL but let it pass me bye because, well its not a Full Frame. However after doing more research it ticks most of the boxes for my needs as a photographic tool. I almost ordered it this afternoon, in fact its still in the basket on the website!!!! Thanks for this comprehensive user review.
Ian Brown Truly my pleasure - keep me posted!
I Know than I have said it before it is so nice to see someone just love something. Just a joy to listen to. Thank you.
Happy you enjoy it!
Have the CL for over a year now. It is the best travel and street camera I have ever used (23mm f2 TL, 60mm APO macro f2.8, the 35mm f1.4 is looming). The handling is sublime and so is the image quality. I shoot manual, mostly AF single point. The shooting experience is smooth and happens almost without any thought process, which is hard to put into words but an experienced photographer might understand. Yes, a tiltable screen would have been nice. I thought long and hard about the price but when they let me play with it in the shop there was no way back. The money is long forgotten, the joy of taking photos with it will remain for a long time to come.
Delighted for you! Thanks for sharing!
Takuan , what did you make choosing the lenses you bought and no more Tele one?
You and your voice should get into sales.
I started to listen with a "meh..." expectation and now I want to buy one.
Christoph Riess Expensive video! 😜
@@3BMEP It's "I better hide this comment section from my wife"-expensive. So highest tier! =D
I am back. From the future. After watching your very first Leica SL2 video.
The day Leica introduced the CL, I spontaneously fell in love with it. Ever since then I’m thinking about selling all my other gear to afford this litte guy and some glass - although I never had one in hand until now (only because to protect myself ;-) ... there are reasons, why I keep my old gear ... but on days like this, for more than the 32 minutes I have watched your lovely video ... I think I have to travel to Wetzlar as soon as I can ... maybe this year ...
Olaf Brandmeyer I understand. 😊
You really do raise some important points and issues by reviewing this camera and it's very timely in this current era of 'sensor wars'
Especially within the online community, photography has become almost entirely about specs and numbers. People seem to view modern cameras purely as 'tech gadgets' but the fact is they're tools to facilitate a creative process and should be judged as such.
We can all agree that a camera should be an extention of yourself and simply get out of the way.
I swear most guys on Internet forums spend more time attacking other systems and brands, pixel peeping and analysing specs than actually taking photos.
The Leica is such a simple yet high quality camera, full of personality and soul with no care about beating the latest tech-specs. Leica just rise above all that. It's such a refreshing approach and it really speaks to me.
It harks back to a time when things were designed and built to last a lifetime, not just a 3 year product cycle (I'm looking at you, Sony...)
Thanks for an insightful review as always!
Paul Hancock Thansk so much for your thoughtful response!
hi from Mexico! I couldn't have said it better myself re: what taking photos is all about, the entire experience. I am 100% Leica, they are works of art! Both the camera, the lenses, and the pictures they take, also the process of how you take them! How the photographer and the camera are married together, the feel of the camera, the balance, and the unmistakable quality of everything, including the end product. (the picture) Nothing, absolutely nothing compares to (this) renowned brand-german quality. I've been searching for a used Leica online on and off for a month or so, I scoped one recently on ebay, it was a D-lux 109, and the condition of it was appalling. It looked like the owner had been using it to hammer nails. :-/ (what's this world coming to?).. Thank you for your explanation on the functionality of the CL, ...I've also realized the appeal of this particular model, and am in the market for one, although the price is extremely restrictive..
Best observation ever!!!.... the “feeling” of photography is in the hand, in the mind and in the eye. I always knew ........I had that “feeling” in my eye that,......THAT last shot was it...it was a feeling in the gut when it all came together. I’m not sure digital, IMHO, always lets you feel that way...or least just say rarely!
Leica has realized something most other companies miss as far as essential elements of photography. Great review and essay. I need to go shoot.
peterzpictstube so delighted that’s what the video promotes you to do!
I’m so close to buying one of these…
Thanks so much for this video, Hugh. I've had a Q since they came out and it's been my go-to street camera since I bought it. Recently, I ditched my FF frame Nikon for a SONY A7RIII, hoping that it would be my favorite "all-around" system. Thought I would like it on the street, but no... Then, I went a bit overboard and bought the CL street kit. (No, I don't have deep pockets, but I'm 70 years old. I'm getting what I want these days. Period.) I knew it would be a bit of an overlap with the Q, but, it turns out, it isn't. After that hour learning what I wanted in the menus and setting my shooting preferences, I now have two wonderful street cameras. Overkill? Maybe, but in the past I've had both a Leica ME and then a Leica M240, both of which were wonderful with both Leica and Zeiss glass, however, my aging eyes require autofocus. Both my current Leicas fill that bill. And, I've owned Fujis, including an XE-2. Sorry no comparison in terms of MY shooting style, especially MY street-shooting style.
I do (finally) have a question. You say you mostly shoot in B&W. Just curious, do you shoot RAW + JPG, RAW and convert, or just JPG?
I always shoot RAW+JPEG just in case, but I almost never use the raw files because I can get what I want out of the JPEGs, often SOOC. As for the rest: delighted that you’ve found the gear that makes you happy! My street kit coming soon!
I just picked up a CL and, to me, this is still a wonderful camera in 2022. Once you figure it out (and it doesn't take long) it is so intuitive and effortless to use. I was turned off by the unmarked soft dials at first, until I realized the extraordinary flexibility they give you. It is "retro styled" but not slavishly so, and Leica wasn't afraid to break from tradition and make a few more modern, non-traditional design choices. The EVF is gorgeous, probably the thing that sucked me in the most. This line may or may not be discontinued (no official announcement that I'm aware of, yet) but I have no regrets - I think it will prove to be a cult classic, in fact.
One thing I didn't understand is that you mentioned the ability to enter lens corrections for third party manual lenses - how? I'd love to pick up a set of the Minolta CLE M-Rokkors.
I don’t recall mentioning that, but if you point me to the minute marker, I’ll circle back to you. Off the cuff, I assume I meant in post with something like Lightroom.
@@3BMEP Have a look at 8:15. I'll check out the Lightroom lens corrections. Thanks.
I purchased a CL a week and a half ago with the 18-56 and will likely add the 23 f2 in a couple of months although the M glass is very tempting. The quality of the photos from the APS-C sensor are amazing and its convenient size makes you want to take it with you. I added this to my A7RIII, A7III, A6500 and A6300 systems on a whim because I always wanted a Leica but was reluctant to put a bunch of $$$ into a M and lenses.
Robert Hampton Delighted for you!
I got the M10 and 7 M lens; after purchasing the CL, the M10 is covering with dust and the CL is always in my bag. Buy the adaptor if you have the M lenses. The pancake 18mm is a very good one to get if you want to travel light. It is a very good lens and very sharp (although a little bit soft at the edge but good enough for lots of situation)
Chi Ho Tam I really think the CL is a sleeper! Enjoy!
The CL is a pure camera and that’s why i want it.And enjoy Sony A7s3 for filmis and all the rest of it.Thanks for your work,its a joy to watch and listen to your thoughts on all of this.
Your thoughts are still as relevant two years on Hugh. I will say that with the edition of Sigma's DG DN lenses, your wish for a true aperture ring has been fulfilled. Just ordered the latest $549 Sigma 24mm DG DN from B&H. Look forward to using it on both my CL (where it'll be a perfect 36mm) and SL bodies. And speaking of the SL, I feel the same way about mating M-glass to it. While optically astounding, it's somehow awkward. Cheers to a prosperous and healthy 2021!
You certainly like-a the Leica (I know: sorry) ;-) I'll never own one, - probably never even hold one, but thanks, Hugh, for communicating your joy at using one. Always a pleasure to watch your work.
Roderick who Hah! It’s OK - there are so many outstanding cameras out there. The key is to... get out there. And shoot, with whatever you’ve got. 🖖🏻
tHANKS hUGH. Command received and acknowledged. Commencing preparations to begin rumbling.... ;-)
I will admit that I felt very sick to my stomach after leaving the camera shop with my newly purchased Leica CL and a few TL lenses to use with it. So much cash spent - should I have bought the new Sony A7III instead??? Having said that, once I got out in the streets, CL in hand, I realized that I was truly enjoying this camera. It came along with me on a recent trip to Japan where I put it through the paces and had so much fun in the process. There is a beauty in the simplicity of this camera's design and usability. The TL lenses are very sharp. I bought the 11mm-23mm, the 23mm, and that sexy 35mm. I love this camera so much that I've felt compelled to write to Maike Harberts (the Product Manager for the CL and the TL series) and her team to thank them for delivering such an enjoyable product. Couldn't find a way to reach her so perhaps Hugh, you might tell her for me???
I will. :)
@@3BMEP Thank you sir!
William Self , what did you make to choose exactly these three lenses?
An honest and realistic personal review of the CL. I’m a long term Leica M user and have dabbled with the thought of grabbing a CL for the very reasons you cover here.
Thanks! Very interested to learn what you decide - please keep me posted.
So have I, although I might hang on to the idea of buying a new digital M in a few years. I’d be curious to know how you decide ;).
Three Blind Men and An Elephant Productions so, it happened. I purchased a CL with the 23mm TL Summicron and grip. Absolutely love it. I also went for the Leica M to L adapter but the 23mm TL is such a beautiful lens I’ve stuck with that...so far. At the same time I traded in my M9 and MD262 for the M10D with the Visoflex. These two cameras are providing me with an unbelievable palette of colours and joy.
sam atkins Congratulations, that’s quite a pair of cameras! Hope you’ll enjoy both for a long time! :) If I chose an M today, it would unquestionably be the M10-D. Although it’s just been put on hold due to me having ordered a matte black Summaron 28. I also hope at the same time that there will be an M11-D one day. I’m a little curious: how will you alter between the M10-D and the CL? As simply a matter of which dial layout you feel like «fondling» that day when you go out for a shoot, or would you rather use the CL as a travel camera?
sam atkins Killer combo! Enjoy!
Hugh I truly believe everyone should use the gear that makes them happy Leica has never been attractive to me although I think the images they produce are beautiful and very identifiable. What's more important to me is it encourages someone else to want to go out and enjoy the same hobby I do.
Longrider Well said! Nice to see you here. I’m trying to keep thoughts held to three these days. 👍🏻
Bloody marvelous stuff Hugh, I shan't be taking on the Leica but I thank you for your wisdom and delight in listening to your rationale behind your affinity for it. Thank you, Sir
and, eggs Thank YOU!
first 1:27 seconds and i already love the video, the way you think is inspiring !!
Sebastian Medina Thank you, man! 🖖🏻
Thank you for this outstanding review. I have been looking at the CL for some time. Now I must make the decision. I’m thinking it’s time has come.
Joe Falcony Please keep me posted!
Three Blind Men and An Elephant Productions Will do! Looking forward to your next video!
Why do I keep coming back to this video? The more I view it the more I want that tiny CL with native tiny TL lenses! There's a used one at a very decent price waiting on a shelf for me (I think it's me). Getting it first thing in the morning ;-) BTW Thank you so much for your elegant review. I am persuaded!
HongWon Suh Excited for you! Have fun!
This was the first camera I ever bought, and I second guessed it.. I’m so glad I stuck with it, because I believe in everything you just said
I subscribed to your channel a while back, and greatly appreciate the work and detail knowledge you put into your reviews - especially this on the Leica CL.
The Leica 'look' in terms of colour, contrast, clarity etc of the files, has beguiled me ever since I came across Leica as a camera brand and as a photography enthusiast. And then there's the build, the glass, the handling and general ergonomics, lack of extraneous menus and a wonderful sense of focus on the essentials for engaging and rewarding photography.
I'm considering the CL as my first digital camera (excluding my iPhone) as my 35mm film Olympus rangefinder and RB67 Mamiya have all been gathering dust for years once the iPhone came along, and the convenience of having a camera always with me largely replaced having to lug either a studio camera around, or remembering to take the 35mm rangefinder with me on an outing.
However for around the same size and weight, I'm also considering the Sony A7C - which is FF, along with the CL. Yes, it won't have the Leica look, but it will have the FF Shallow depth of field look rather than the APS-C look - which FF look I generally prefer looking at files.
it also strikes me as being very versatile having both photographic and video capabilities, is nicely made and finished and can be used with a variety of lenses, including Zeiss.
I'm not necessarily looking to do UA-cam video blogging, but I do have a number of outdoor hobbies and interests where it would be nice to shoot video clips as well as stills, to either share, or just to keep for enhancing memories of the experience. I gather one can also use the CL to do video clips, but the overall video capability is not as well developed as the A7C - at least that is my impression from reviews.
With your review of the A7C, I gather you were quite impressed with it, especially from a philosophical design point of less being more.
Having reviewed and tested them both; putting aside all the pros and cons between a FF hybrid still/movie camera in the Sony A7C, and the minimalist photographers tool in the CL, - if it was to be your one and only camera for casual shots of friends and family, travel, formal and candid portraiture, which would you choose to own?
Many thanks for your work and such an excellent and entertaining channel.. :-)
Sony a7C is a compelling alternative to the CL for precisely the reasons you mention. If I could have only one or the other for ALL we do, it would have to be the Sony, specifically for its better video capabilities, including video AF. But for my personal street work? Already made that choice: CL. But with this said, on a value basis wit would still have to go to the Sony.
@@3BMEP Thank you for an insightful, thoughtful and unbiased response. I'm much more philosophically attracted to Leica, and if I could afford an SL2 there would be no contest. However my budget dictates CL or Sony, and in terms of versatility, the A7C is probably the better option as an OVERALL one camera only, choice. Still, whilst I like Sony, I love Leica, so it's proving to be a difficult choice to make. Thanks again for your brilliant channel and looking forwards to more of your excellent work. :-)
Yeap... my favorite UA-cam scholar, New York, and a Leica CL. A throw-back to the great Hollywood classics. The iconic shot of James Dean walking in Times Square on a rainy day. Yeap... that's the way I feel when I see one of your magnificent videos.
What a lovely comment. Thank you, man!
I always loved the Leica screw mount body size, preferred it to the M series. On came the CL and I immediately went for it. I am a DP but hybrid cameras never satisfied me for taking pictures. I fully agree with you, CL is THE inspiring picture taking tool. Btw I only shoot B&W on Leica ...
Ordered one yesterday! Thank you for confirming my choice!
rookism Glad to be of service. 😊
I came across your channel in late Autumn in 2018 and now I find myself looking forward to your reviews, your musings and great approach to talking about cameras. I am hooked and please keep making such great shows. I am waiting for the Zeiss ZX1 as I have been using the L16 for just under a year now. It would be interesting to see your take on them.
tim gray What has been your experience with the L16?
@@3BMEP It has actually been fun, I know there are limitations with the camera but updates to the software have improved its performance. (Terrible video, beta version at the moment, so strictly for still work). It makes the whole experience of shooting very different for me being a traditional photographer. I miss looking through a view finder but love the instant feedback of the image being able to edit in camera with a big view screen, which you can upload almost instantly. Positives are its light weight compared to our medium format cameras and Canons, it is great for street work but it seems to excel with landscape/cityscape work. Down sides, having to use their software (very limited) to get images out of the camera, then to process in Lightroom etc. Sometimes the image quality isn't quite there yet but I put this down to it being a small start up company without the resources of the big players. It has a really slow start up time, when the battery say it's down to 20% power the live view starts to freeze, lag and cuts out. Auto focus slow but touch screen response is good. We knew it was going to be a beta model but it kind of feels like the future and I suspect phones will be offering something significantly better very shortly. I have used it everyday for about 8 months now and love it but ,and it is a really big but, I want something better. Which is why the Zeiss looks so interesting and something I would serious consider buying just for the lens quality, however I am old school at heart and I feel myself being pulled back to what I think a camera should look like. Please review the Zeiss when you can hold of one and the Panasonic S1(R). Cheers Tim
tim gray thanks for the comprehensive reply! ZX1 is high on my list to get hands on!
Just caught your full review of the CL. Excellent. I just keep getting more and more excited about you picking up this beauty. After I've used the M10 long enough that my eyeball is literally stuck to the rangefinder, I just may give this more thought. Ah, but until then...
:)
Sometimes I wonder if all that stuff around gear is useful... I changed my Leica M240 for a A7RIII and my A7RIII for a G9. Currently, I have more pleasure to take pictures. Consequently, my pictures are objectively better... So CL, M, SL : you can't choose on the camera's performance or sensor size, or whatever only.... The PLEASURE you have with your gear is the key.
Your "no" list sounds like the best AD I could have heard. Thanks lol
Image quality..the joy of shooting...is Leica..so true! Your reviews are right on from beginning to end... I didn’t have to delete the video before it was over... your reviews are not rambling nonsense, like many other reviewers... thank you...
Thomas Chin Thank YOU! 😊
another reason to consider the CL is that Leica is part of the consortium with Sigma and Panasonic supporting/adopting the L mount. Both the Leica CL and the new Panny S1 use the L mount, and Sigma is going to move its lens collection, presumably including the Art series, to L mount. Soooooo.....you could run the Panny S1 for video, and carry the CL as your street photo cam, and use less expensive (but super high quality) glass from Sigma on both. And, if you won the lottery, you could actually use Leica glass on your Panny, including those elegant and supremely expensive Leica zooms......in short, a pretty flexible position....keep amassing great glass, and trade out the bodies every couple of years......
William DePaulo BINGO!
FWIW I have two Leica CL's......not the 21st century versions but 1973 versions (made in partnership with Minolta) which came with 40mm and 90mm m-mount lenses at the time, but to which I recently added a Voigtlander m-mount 21mm and the spectacularly bright 21/25 viewfinder (a combo that cost more than the original CL). It's my back up for when all electronics fail totally and I'm left with the sunny 16 rule (ps - the early light meters in the old CL's don't work, no matter how many times repaired). Great, great fun to shoot with, of course using the orthodox tri-x 400 most of the time but sometimes getting the benefit of modern heretical ISO expansion by running 3200 through them......enjoy your videos very much....
William DePaulo 3200?! BLASPHEMY!! 😉
I’m so sad that leica abandoned their APSC line. Been shooting an S5 for a year or so now and I love the results but the industrial design and ergonomics are cold and computer-like for me. I’ll never be able to afford an SL2 or M, but I still have ebay alerts for the now venerable CL… the allure of this dead system isn’t quite gone for me yet.
Thanks for following up to your initial response to the camera with this interesting (and appealing!) review.
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I can’t agree more.
After 50 plus years of street photography and using Leicas since I am 16 (3G- M2- M4- M4-2 - M4P- M6-M6TTL -M8 - M9 ( since September 2009..) I just swapped to a CL and the 18 and the 23 plus the Elmar collapsible 50 2.8 coded by Leica which makes it a 75 perfect for portraits !
I just love all the qualities you mentioned and I see it as a pure homage to the spirit of the « old Leicas »
Thanks for your posts which are always informative and inspiring.
Best
My journey was: Sony A7, A7ii, A7iii, A7Rm4, and now I have ordered a CL with 23mm Summicron (as a travel camera)to go with my Hasselblad X-1dii (for landscapes and portraits). Sold all the Sony gear and lenses (naturally at a steep loss) and I think that I should be happy for a while now 😃
I think so, too!
@@3BMEP 😃
This is a camera review in its purest form.
😊🙏🏻🖖🏻
Bought one... blaming you! I gave my wife the TL2 and thought I could live with my old T. I immediately had remorse. So instead of another used TL2 I found a deal in a used CL. I’m hoping the better built in EVF will make it easier with manual glass.
Ted Bahas oh, it will! 😎
Many thanks for your detailed, passionate and amusing review. Does this mean you prefer the CL digital over the M-P digital?
If I could only have one of them? Yes - a function of my eyesight. :)
just picked up an x-e3 used and i am using the pentax m lenses; the 40/2.8 and 28/2.8 as my street lenses, then the 50/1.4 for portraits.
very compelling kit...
Enjoy!
Ive handled a CL in the new Leica store in Melbourne. A very nicely built camera indeed. But I can't help but think that for the sheer tactility, Leica should have borrowed some tech from their friends at Panasonic and made the primes with aperture rings. It would suit the CL perfectly imo, a GX8 with improved sensor output.
Jason Hannigan ooooh, aperture rings!
Thanks for a great video. One of the better Leica essays I've seen.
David Blumenthal Thanks for the encouragement!
What do you think of the Blackmagic Ursa Mini Pro?
another camera to add to my when i win the lottery list
Andrew Chisholm Hah!
This is a wonderfully passionate and personal review of the CL. Great, great work. The L Mount Alliance may mean that Sigma will release their aps-c lenses in L mount, like the 16/1.4 and the new 56/1.4. Fast L mount glass in a much smaller package than Leica's own. Fingers crossed!
I sure hope they do - I'm anticipating they will! So glad you enjoyed our work - thanks for the encouragement!
I've got that Sigma 56 1.4 for the E mount. Great lens.I asked a Sigma rep that met a show if the company would change the mount to the L mount. He alas, said no. The reason was that Sigma would only do this if they planned to release the 56/1.4 themselves.
I use an fuji x-t3 W/ a Leica 50mm summilux f1.4. Curious how you found this combination compared to the CL? I find the exposure triangle on the fuji intuitive enough to not need to get into the menu. The 3.69 evf plus the speed updates, plus the modest sensor MP update prompted me to update from the x-t2. Found it quite the combo with the summilux.
Great video as ever. In our wold of digital immediacy there is something very powerful about about legacy and history.
Mark Adams Thank you!
No Leica is anywhere in my price range. So, you've explained exactly why I shoot with the Fuji X-Pro series. Don't need the video specs, and I have cured myself of needing full-frame. Finally, the menu system is relatively easy (compared to the likes of Olympus and Panasonic).
Great camera! For me, though, the no - compromise EVF of the CL really makes a difference.
@@3BMEP Had the chance to handle a CL at a Leica store during a recent visit to Washington, DC. Still can't afford it, but you are right, the EVF is gorgeous.
I know your feeling! First serious camera was a Leica M3, and still have it.
What’s your suggestion on whether I should get tl2 or cL or q2 for my first Leica
It's a fugly aps-c mirrorless camera, I don't get why someone would love that thing. Just get a full frame mirrorless with overall far better image qualit for less, and buy some of those leica dots and put it on there. The only modern Leica camera I do love and enjoy is the Q, and it does look amazing.
Great review. You almost persuade me to buy a CL since I am currently Sans Leica, but will be going to the Asheville Leica shoot in April.
Dan WRAY enjoy!
Just to say an inadequate thank you for this CL overview. If you've a few moments could you say something about the lack of IBIS. If it was a problem for you I guess you would have said so, thus I assume it wasn't. But it might be for less experienced photographers like myself and maybe you know of an IBIS-lack workaround, or have some advice to offer. Stay well.
We’ve come to feel IBIS and high resolution are the way to go. We love the CL, but given how we now shoot, the SL2 for me and the Nikon Z7 II for Claudia are how we roll.
Thank you for a really outstanding review, you’re really making a difference. I enjoyed watching every minute. And I am now seriously considering buying that camera. as it is my first step into serious photographic equipment, i’m really not sure what lens to invest in. Having the objective to use it for every day, family and street photography at home and traveling, what would be your recommendation if I can only invest into one lens right now?
Kolja Kassner The SummicronTL 23mm f/2 is small, light, and optically spectacular! It’s the first lens I got for it!
I'm very tempted by this camera, but it has to be an M10-P for me. I have a range of autofocus cameras, both DSLRs and mirrorless, so I don't think the shooting experience will be sufficiently different from what I am used to. Of course, I could be wrong... hold that thought!
Brian Davies I understand completely.
The L-mount alliance means you'll be able to use TL lenses on the new Panasonics, too, right (if there's a crop mode)? Given how big and heavy those L-mount FF lenses are, I could see the ability to use these small APS-C lenses having some appeal for some things. Especially on the high megapixel S1R.
Timothy Roper Exactly!
Wonderful video. I’m debating the CL or the Q. It sounds like this comes down to lens interchangeability or not.
Chris Klug pretty much - though I prefer the EVF of the CL!
nice review and great pics - have you used the Sigma 16 33 56 with the CL - seems no one on UA-cam has a video of them on CL L mount
I have a problem with companies offering expensive grips as after market add ons. It says poor design in the first place. Surely correct / reasonable interface with the photographer has to be an essential part of the design process. If what you end up with is a slippery little (very expensive) bar of soap, then someone has boobed big time.
Awesome review! Thank you.
Our pleasure!
I bought two for my kids, they love them. I use mostly the M and SL. But the CL is fantastic.
Dave H your kids are fortunate. 😉👍🏻
@@3BMEP Yeah they are spoiled. But they are worth it. Look me up on Instagram @sdhaase cheers mate
Just reviewed this video, in December 2022, after using the CL for about a year. My conclusion: There is still no better camera for me on the market and I should just keep it. I only added a Minolta XD 7 from the glory days of classic SLRs for film.
I want a Leica. My wallet says I want Kodak. I love my a7iii for paid work, I almost got a s1 and tl2 but I just couldn’t sell my camera. I need to don’t a full frame s1 and see if I can deal with contrast autofocus. They are beautiful cameras and I dig the l mount
Thanks for the review, I bought a Leica CL after watching ur previous review. Thanks it's really a great decision I've made. May I get ur recommendation for lenses to equip ? I have bought the street kit which comes with 28mm (35mm).
kennedyhow1997 Easy: first, Summilux TL 35/1.4. 11-23 and 55-135 Varios next. Unless you have a different set of priorities. 😊
Three Blind Men and An Elephant Productions Thank You for the recommendation !
Love your passion for the CL. On December 22 2021 how do you feel about the CL
It became the gateway drug into modern Leica’s for us; some of our best work was shot on it; but both of us have moved to high resolution full frame sensors: SL2 for me, Z7II for Claudia.
Great video, delivered with real style and dare I say, a sense of drama!
My question regarding the Leica CL; how does it cope without image stabilisation?
Whilst my photography journey dates to long before image stabilisation systems, I only really got serious when I purchased an Olympus PEN with stabilisation, back in 2012. Therefore, I fear the unknown, having been spoilt by Olympus!
It is simultaneously light AND dense (and we use relatively short, fast glass) so the lack of IBIS has simply not been an issue. 😊🖖🏻
Hello Hugh ,
Another wonderful presentation. Thank you. Your delivery is so unique, interesting and informative. I have dipped in and out of photography and was perhaps at my most happy using a Rollie B35 and the fantastic Contax T2. Moving on 3 or 4 decades I have embraced digital. I finally felt at home with a Fuji X100T. Tried the X100V but ultimately decided that I didn't feel comfortable with what I perceived as an overheating issue. I think perhaps that the CL is for me. Maybe combined with the 23mm F2 lens followed by others when I can afford it.
That Leica signature look appeals as does the cameras build and feel.
I like street and landscape photography.
A question if I may. Does the Leica 23mm F2 lens in combinaion with CL give that Leica signature look and finally is its rendering and sharpness edge to edge impressive ?
I value your opinion. Thank you.
Ya see... you're a guy who was brought up shooting with cameras with no batteries. And ever since you've been trying to come to grips with all this electronic mumbo jumbo. I hear you! Your videos are a must see for me.
Awesome piece of machinery, maybe one day.. :)
This man is an alternate version of Ian Malcom.
HOLD THAT THOUGHT: THE FUJI XE-1 - 1/30th the price, 2/3rds the IQ, same 2.4 million dot manual focus-with-vintage-glass-friendly OLED EVF, similar layout/build... paid $100 CAD for one just yesterday!?! 😎
Punk Rachmaninoff Outstanding!
Three Blind Men and An Elephant Productions really is a good price if you only need manual focus. price fell clear out of the sky!
@@BeeVery thusfar I'm a happy camper, but I'll buy a used xe-3 when the next generation sell off occurs.
This. But I’d miss the dual evf for manual focusing from the X-T series. If they could throw that into the X-E series, I’d sell everything else and have one of those.
1/100th in terms of build quality. I used to have one. There's no comparison in that regard.
If it inspired you to take photos, that's what matters most. Maybe it would have benefited from a bit more battery power and a sync speed faster than 1/180s. Hardly a dealbreaker.
This is the one for me.As pieces of art in themselves they are incredibly seductive.You can buy a G5 for just a few hundred.Its a marvellous camera.And the video is really good.As is the XT-1 fUJI.But
Whatever your point and reference to mum's IIIa, I did not see the original CL referenced. In the film days, if I ever had bought a compact, it would have been the CL. It threatened the film M too much, I guess.
JP dJ I think you’re right. Separately: I didn’t mention the 35mm CL because naming aside, it truly is not the camera to which the new CL’s designers paid homage
@@3BMEP- paying homage is generally done by people buying it ;). The original had the M bayonet and was Leica branded and TTL metering. And with the fourty-something lens would easily fit a gentleman's trench coat pocket. Today's Mini by BMW may not pay homage to the original and be larger than a VW Golf/Rabbit but comparison with the original name bearer is obligatory. IMNSHO
Loll idk I think Fuji is the new Leica...but I admit I really like the digital knobs. But dig Fuji’s more.very futuristic though
you are a lovely man, so passionate, i love it, keep telling us, where can i see your photographs, i just find you
gregory hamilton @hughbrownstone on Instagram 😊🙏🏻
I really liked your video ... I'm interested in buying the cl ... but having a cheaper xe3 or xe4 and being similar I have doubts?
X-E4 is brilliant for the money!
Hello Sir,
I am looking for a camera for landscape photography. I have already a Q. The CL interested me. May I ask you, how long can I setup the shutter speed for long exposure? Thank you.
Thank you very much for this wonderful video! I really enjoy your "reviews" that are not simple lists of specs but have a wonderful theatricality to it. I am very much with you wanting an EVF because entering the second half of my fourties and having worn glasses all my life I love rangefinder cameras but use them with external viewfinders. Like my beloved Minolta CLE and Leitz Minolta CL. Both are just perfect in my hands. Too bad Leica didn't continue the shutterspeed dial on the front of the camera which is such a perfect position for it. I tried the "new" digital CL a couple of weeks ago and must say it is truely wonderful and it might replace or add to my M8 which does wonderful colour and amazing b&w but I more and more tend to shoot indoors which isn't the CCDs preferred habitat. I was wondering just one thing and maybe you could enlighten me. When you shoot .jpg b&w does the EVF turn to B&W like Fujifilm cameras do and therefore do colour and saturation modifications in the menu reflect in the EVF? Keep up the wonderful work, Christian
Christian Holemy it does indeed turn B&W, which I prefer for composition purposes. Never tried to determine if the EVF is affected by changes in other parameters, sorry!
Three years later and I have the same dilemma as you hahahah bit of a while but which camera did you choose in the end?
@@sirchicken2940 Hi...two days later 😉. Well a lot has changed in my life. My wonderful twin girls were born a little over a year ago. So I wanted something with a nice autofocus that would adapt m-mount lenses not as badly as some mirrorless do. And I wanted full frame...so I went for a used Nikon Z6 and I must say I was not disappointed. BUT only today I took my old M8 with me to a visit to my parents and the files just look so wonderful. They have a very very nice look that the Nikon not really can emulate. Many attribute that to the CCD Sensor and I tend to agree. But trying to shoot toddlers with my M8 or my film rangefinders without stopping down to at least f8 is really hard. What are you thinking about getting?
@@charleyhitsimon hahahaha that’s absolutely great!Congratulations with your daughters! Judging from your thoughtful camera decision I’m sure you’ll be a loving and thoughtful father! I was thinking of getting a CL, but I have the option of selling my RX1 , those M8 colours are a beauty and I’m too sentimental to sell it. I think you helped me agree that I should keep the M8!
You could read the local Sydney telephone book for me and I would listen intently, slowly escaping into a meditative state with heart rate and breathing dropping to the absolute minimum levels to sustain meaningful life. I am considering purchasing the CL and am torn between the 18mm fixed and 11-23mm lenses. Are you still as impressed by this camera as you were when you produced your video and could you perhaps help with my lens choice predicament? Thanks, Ralf
8strings 😉 The only thing that’s changed is now we BOTH love the CL, and that has become a slight problem: Claudia doesn’t want to give it back. Then again, I’m solving the problem by getting an SL2, so I’ll be OK. Claudia generally doesn’t care about gear, but she won’t let go of the Panasonic LUMIX G9 for video, either. Unless you want to shoot 18mm almost 100% of the time - or want the smallest pocket profile OR want shallowest depth of field- I’d go with the 11-23. It’s an incredible lens (they ALL are, but even so) and while it’s slower than the 23, it is more versatile. The 11-23, 35/1.4 and 55-135, and you’re sorted for many years to come. That’s my take for personal street, landscape, travel AND portrait, though the 60/2.8 would be nice for portrait (and macro) too.
Get the handgrip for it. Thank me later!
On the list!
I am really enjoying your videos, I own Q2 so... I wan´t more ! Don´t like M`s OVF system, came from the FF to APS-C and don´t want to go back to oversized and heavy cameras, so SL2(s) is not an option. After hearing your experience in street photography, I`m going for the CL as a way to use the gorgeous and excelent M lenses. My question is, if I can only afford buying one M lens, to complement the Q2, and am looking for the very best IQ, which would be your choice (s). Thanks for your videos.
Summicron-M 50 or 75!
@@3BMEP Thanks a lot
Hugh, would you still recommend the CL today? I'm going to wait to get a M11 until the stock market returns but need a light kit that works with M lenses I already own. Love the SL but it's too heavy for a daily walk around semi pocket kit. I keep coming back to the CL. Of course, wonder if Leica is coming out with a successor shortly.
See our video dropping later this morning on Fujifilm XF 33/1.4, which I compare to our SummiluxTL 35 - and draw larger conclusions about this segment.
@@3BMEP I did get a CL with the 18mm and am totally in love. If i take anything from that xf 35mm video is to not invest in aps-c lenses. I already have a slew of leica m lenses including the 35 lux fle and plan to only get the 23mm summicron tl. This is all to hold out for the m11 for a few years. I sold my A7RIV and lenses to get the cl. So enjoyment of the craft is far more important to me than the technical capabilities of the camera ( within reason ). I didnt enjoy Sony’s ergonomics at all and the CL is a breath of fresh air again and gets me motivated to carry my camera daily, shoot and be creative.
How about D Lux 7, it has the analog control dials and rings, why not that one but CL?
NETVO TV Interchangeable lenses. I feel the D Lux love, too (I have one). But I think a “system” and a larger sensor are the attraction.
Why doesn't Leica support adobe RGB? Am I right that the Leica color space is sRGB?
Hmmm....can you do a comparison of the Leica CL v Panasonic GX9, please?
I'd love your take on cost v image v performance v features of the two models.
Dinesh Kumar GX9 w/15mm 1.7 is what I recommend when budget is an issue/
@@3BMEP
I know. Can you do a comparison between the two?
The silver version is so much better..but the con is that people will keep staring at it