Removing ethanol from gas
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- Опубліковано 22 вер 2016
- In the United States Unleaded gas has 10% ethanol added to it per the EPA. Ethanol is hydrophilic which means it is attracted to water. Water and engines do not mix and especially water and carburetors.
Remove the ethanol by simple adding 8 oz of water, shake it up and let it settle for 12-24hrs. Remove the fluid that settles to the bottom and you're left with pure gas. - Навчання та стиль
Before you pour the water in, mix some food coloring into the water and then when it separates you'll really be able to see the line.
What food coloring are you talking about?
@@whatthe2458any old food coloring will work.
@@M70ACARRY
How many months/ years out of date?
What about new food coloring?
The purpose of adding ethanol to gasoline was because of the oil shortage. Now that the U S has newly discovered reserves of oil, we don't need the ethanol. The only reason why we keep using it is because of the farm lobby which will suffer loses as the ethanol market dries up. (maybe they could plant more food crops and save us a few dollars at the grocery store???)
If the methanol volume was 10% - 15% and we got 10% - 15% less mileage it was just robbing Peter to pay Paul. Nothing was gained, it was damaging to the engine and components. The bottom line is it was a costly venture with no benefit.
What you say is true and I previously thought that it was essentially "watering down" gas for no good reason. However, I learned that ethanol acts as an octane booster by oxygenating gas. Tetra-ethyl Lead was previous octane booster. When that was banned by EPA it was replaced with either MBTE or Ethanol as the primary octane boosters. MBTE is a known carcinogen and also pollutes the air. MBTE is being phased out, especially in places with smog issues. That leaves only ethanol which for all it's obvious problems with phase separation and lower btu's than gas, is apparently the best available alternative as an octane booster. That said, Brazil who pioneered ethanol as additive to gasoline gets from the waste of sugarcane in sugar production. This makes far more sense than using corn. The sugarcane waste has to be disposed of so making it into ethanol is a win - win. It does cost less than gasoline. Using corn takes so much energy to grow, harvest, and refine that it costs more than the gas it's replacing.
So why don't they make newer engines that can withstand ethanol?
You're right about the "farm lobby" likening the usage of ethanal from corn. It's a big boost to their bottom line. However you need to understand that in the farming business capitalism doesn't exactly work as it does in other industries. If the farmers stopped growing corn for ethanal and sold it for food, the price of corn will crash since there would be too much corn in the market. Even if they switched to other crops they would experience similar results due to over abundance of that crop. Farm prices have to be somewhat stabilized in order to maintain a certain level of profitability for the farmer to remain in business. Farming, unlike other industries are at the mercy of mother nature, and human nature. Seeing that crops take time to mature, farmers can not just start and stop production of a crop when the he/she sees a change in demand. He/she is stuck with the crop he/she planted months ago regardless of the demand or lack of demand in the future.
its a joke we will never run out oil or gas. the scientist where paid off to say that so they control the prices.
@@stevejames3292 Sorry man but even in brazil the fuckers water down our gas with ethanol at a 27% rate
Thanks for the video. I work at a refinery here is what I know
Ethanol and water are polar molecules so they like to stick together. Gasoline is organic so it likes other organic molecules. Because ethanol and water are both polar molecules ethanol (which is basically alcohol) is hygroscopic (will absorb water). It will not only absorb free water (water droplets) but it will also absorb dissolved water (humidity) from the air. Once ethanol fuel has absorbed more than .4 wt% (weight percent) water, the fuel will stratify (ethanol and gasoline will separate). This happens because the ethanol becomes denser (heavier) and will go to the bottom of the gas container leaving the gasoline on the top. The ethanol and gasoline WILL not mix again and will stay as two separate liquids in the same container. So you have gasoline on the top and wet ethanol on the bottom.
So here is the real problem. The ethanol helps to increase the octane of the fuel; its octane rating is about 116%. Raw gasoline without the ethanol additive has an octane rating of about 83%. Once the fuel has stratified into two separate liquids the gasoline (on the top) will only have about a 83% octane instead of the regular 87% that you bought at the pumps.
So, you have to add enough Octane booster to keep the fuel from pre-igniting as the piston comes up to Top Dead Center. I do not know how much Octane booster you need. If you use low Octane fuel in small engines, especially chainsaws and trimmers, you will most likely overheat the engine and destroy it. I have seen overheated engines from using low octane fuel many times.
+break break thanks for the info. Since the video I've learnec that most octane boosters are.....alcohol aka ethanol
Mix a little bit of race gas (don't need very much at all) and the octane comes way back up! Also, start with high octane fuel. ;)
Simple fix use premium gas to make up for the difference starting with 93 octane instead of 87 thats 6 points if the 87 drops to 83 thats 4 points if the 93 drops 4 points you will have 89 octane better yet how about we petition our legislatures in our states to take ethanol out. Its a scam. All that land could be used to grow edible crops and bring food prices down. Food prices in sept 2022 years after this video was made have skyrockets. Gasoline has skyrocketed. Also ethanol free gas gives cars 5% more mpg. We will use less gas our engines on our cars and all our small engines will last longer we will have cheaper food its a win win for everyone except the crooked politicians
1947 Willys, will starting with 93 octane keep the finished product at 87 or above? Im using it for a 2 stroke. Thanks
@@KimballCody gotta be careful, most "octane boosters" on the market are just methanol or other alcohol additives.
I tried it and it works great. Maybe this will prevent me from having to change the fuel lines on my blowers and weed eaters. You really made it simple for me. Thanks for this video. Clint
Glad I could help
Pure gas gets up to 4 more miles per gallon, that's 80 more miles on a 20 gallon tank , corn is for eating , not running your car
Henry Ford actually designed his first cars to run on corn alcohol.
And also WHISKEY...lol
@@fastcarshotbikes Weren't they running cars off of moonshine during prohibition in the 1920's?
What mpg do you get?
It also pollutes more... I don't know what these environmentalists are smoking, but it obviously isn't pot.
Farmers have done a variation of this for decades. It's a water trap. Elevate the large fuel tank. Have a threaded drain hole at bottom of the tank. Run line downhill from tank to a T-fitting. Position the T- fitting so that one port faces down. Attach a longish pipe to the bottom of T. Install a petcock at the bottom of that pipe. So any water in tank will eventually settle into that low pipe, and can be drain off, until clear fuel comes out the petcock. The 3rd port of the T feeds to a filler hose that is used to fill the gas tank of vehicles. A person can also install fuel filter between the T and the filler hose. . Is especially useful on bulk diesel.
+Duke Makedo very interesting...thanks
charter planes also have a water drain off in the fuel tanks from the wings on cessnas
@@wharris7594 I remember draining the water from the King Air and Cheyenne in my dad's hangar as a kid.
I am having problems starting my Husky Rider mower. The guy who services it told me it was the ethanol in the fuel and that it damages engines. I'm glad I came across this great video and now have a solution to the problem. Grateful to Kimball Cody for sharing his knowledge and all the posters here. 👍🙌
I'm a small engine mechanic. We switched to non ethanol fuel at the shop about 8 years ago fue to the amount of carb issues. We'd fix it and stuff would come back gummed up. Everyone gets a machine back with non ethanol and highly advise it for anything that's sits for 3 weeks or more
Octane is a hydrocarbon like butane, propane, hexane, (gasoline is primarily hexane). Ethanol adds oxygen to the mix and promotes oxidation so when you said removing the ethanol lowers the octane I had to comment. It lowers the gas' ability to oxidize. Ethanol helps to clear up emissions and aids the catalytic converter so it can do it's job. Sometimes you just need pure gasoline for yard machines and carburetors. Ethanol vapor locks mechanical fuel pump suction when its hot and nobody enjoys that. Awesome video!
You are right. All hydrocarbons are nonpolar and hydrophobic, so octane molecules would not be removed from the gasoline into the water.
I have separated out the water/ethanol after 10 gallons got flooded in Hurricane Harvey. I realized it was also washing the ethanol out and the gas should be good. And it was! I just put a tube into the lowest corner of the can and siphoned the water out from the bottom until clean gas was coming out. Easy. However, I find the best answer is to just use regular gas as long as 1. you don’t buy a lot and store it for a long period and 2. Make sure your tank and float bowl are emptied and dry before putting up at the end of season for that machine.. As long as you do these two things and are running your machines on a regular basis then you should be fine with gas+ ethanol. Problems really only occur when it is stored and/or left in the cans, tanks and carbs. It takes 30 minutes at the end of the season for that machine to change oil and drain all fuel out. That 30 minutes pays back BIG time at the start of next season. I’ve been using this method for years and never had to clean a carb or gas tank. Most issues can be traced back to lack of simple care.
It destroys plastic fuel lines on 2 stroke engines and diaphragms on all small engines
Nice idea, in the past (with model aircraft fuel), I have used water gel crystals to remove the water with a sieve or similar. These are the crystals that look like sugar when dry but swell up into gel blobs in the presence of water. You can get them for mixing with compost to keep plants hydrated.
once again,a very innovative video- still appreciating my EPA gas jug reversals
Whoever got the idea that adding perfectly good corn likker to gasoline was WAAAY too drunk.
Or maybe not drunk enough!
Ethanol screwed up my classic 85 F-150 fuel lines and all. Damn California.
What do you expect. If they would stop voting guys like governors who are moon beam children.
Nice video. This is great if you’re in a bind and need some ethanol free fuel. The thing is that I’ll use 10-15 gallons on the weekend in mowers, weed eaters, etc. not including if I’m lucky enough to have time to get out with the boat. By the time you take away the volume of the ethanol, spend your time doing it, and add octane booster, you’re right there at the cost of filling your cans at a service station that sells regular ethanol free gas. I agree it’s bound to be cheaper than buying it in a quart can at the hardware store. There’s an app now that shows you where the service stations are that sell it. I use it in all my small engines AND my outboard engine. It sure is a money saver when you’re not having to repair carbs and replace fuel lines.
Nice video, solid advice, great technique, Thank you.
Over here in England we only have 95 Ron or 98 Ron petrol but it has between 5% and 10% ethanol in it but i don't know if it makes any difference to running costs or engine problems.
Had to do this to make my 1993 Nissan Altima run. The ethanol fuel was causing the car to hickup and fart like a really bad car. Once the ethanol was out the car ran fine with no problems there after.
I had to replace the fuel pump to the tune of $400!
I have been doing this for my small engines and it works great I have also found adding 2 oz of 2 cycle oil makes the process faster less then 1 hour and its done. The 2 oz of oil breaks the water loose faster and works in 4 cycle and 2 cycle engines just as good.
Ill have to try that. What about the drop in octane?
@@KimballCody I have not seen any difference in my usage I just start with 91 from the pump and it works very good for me.
@@KimballCody Octane is only an issue in high compression engines.
Gun lover, is the gas now colored because of the two-stroke oil and the water is clear? Rather than adding food coloring to the water which would look opposite
Nice experiment, I'm surprised it stayed separated when you flipped it around, makes you wonder what you get at the pumps when you buy gas if it separates so easily, I know the tanks here in NY gave no agitators to keep it mixed. Just a thought. If you are the first customer in the morning are you getting alcohol and additives? Or gas?
the ethanol in gas will stay mixed. it separates because water and gas wont mix and ethanol loves water so it binds to it. and because the water wont mix with gas the ethanol is separated in the water medium.
The only thing that Ethanol is Good for is the Farmers Pocketbook and Corn Whiskey!!!
+randy beard truth!
So,,, how much "fuel" do these dumb shits burn to distill alcohol? How is that saving the planet?
So ,YES, while it requires heat to distill ethanol, and its less energy dense than gasoline but still the fact is ethanol is cheap to produce, creates near zero toxic waste, burns cleaner, IS produced from renewable base, ie corn which you turn to mash ,then it produces ethanol, THEN the leftovers can be fed to cattle for food , THEN the waste from their would/could be used for fertilizer of corn,,,,,! One of the coolest books I found, at a yard sale even, was about distilling your own ethanol fuels, and how to adjust for burning it. Now you forget the ethanol fuel still has a motor fuel tax thus making it good for government too. See the ethanol debate has raged since Rockefeller made gasoline an everyday product. Ethanol used to be a viable fuel product till petroleum became cheaper and easier to distill into gasoline and other useful products.
Diesel to plant the corn, diesel to irrigate the corn, diesel to spray the corn, diesel to harvest the corn, diesel to haul the corn, propane to distill the corn...but then...CLEAN FUEL!
Weelllll, let's put the information out, ethanol produced from feed grade corn contitutes about 40% of the total of products that are produced, now let's also point out several other products are also produced, the co2 is captured for carbonization, there are other things that come from the pre-prep of the corn, but lats also point out that the end byproduct left over is distillers dried grains or wet cattle feed, appropriate protien content around 26%. Thus making useful to control weight gain in cattle. Now when all the wrangling to get us to 2005 approximately same week as Katrina, the mandated removal of MTBE was going in effect, the gulf coast refineries we're supposed to supply the Lions share of fuel as other refineries and blending stations converted and got all the bugs worked out of systems. The EPA was balking at allowing a 3 month temporary pause, and Bush had to force them to let the other places supplying make gradual switch over. This plus having to move large amounts of ethanol during Katrina aftermath thus one reason gasoline went up as well as storm issues. E10 has gotten huge black eye yet I personally haven't had as much trouble as others and in 05 I was driving my 78 C10 with Holley Carb and had zero issues. Haven't had many if any over years. Tuning has never been a problem. E85 is very cool BUT fools in EPA relaxed quantity rules. Used to be minimum ethanol content was to be E70, now it's minimum is E51. The thing is E85 is rated 105 octane, E70 drops it down to around 100 or less.
But honestly if car companies had jumped at using flex fuel tech in performance cars, think of the possibilities and power potential also. And actually many distilleries use natural gas over propane. There are little to no byproducts that can't be used, and none are poisonous. Also MTBE IS poisonous and and industrial waste byproduct. If spilled it can pollute ground water and kill vegetation and indigenous life forms. Ethanol mixed with water, may stunt plant life unless it's pure then it may kill. But if a large amount enters water it simply dilutes, and won't kill most humans. The use and purpose of ethanol blended fuel was to eleviate specific automotive emissions. The issue now is the only true benefit is it's renewable base product. Also allowing farmers to still farm for profit rather than government waste money having farm land idled. Now the issue I have with doing what this guy does, is he is messing with chemistry that actual fuel blending specialist have spent millions developing. Odd how people keep trying to change things they don't have full knowledge about and never think about the damage they might do. Can you add something to keep ethanol from damaging, possibly.
I've done this as well, but I'm concerned about what (besides ethanol) ends up in the water that should have been left in the fuel , and how to estimate the loss in octane number.
I've read that is goes down about 3 points. So start with premium gas if you want to run it in something that requires regular. Or just use it in lawn equipment.
In Florida we can buy marine grade "non ethanol" fuel in many places, especially in coastal regions. It cost about 150% of the ethanol denatured gasoline.
I can get non ethanol 93 octane gasoline at the local boat launch.
It's about 75 cents a gallon more than regular gas.
How to get ethanol out of gas. 1. Find gas station with non-ethanol gas. 2. Pay $1 more than regular gas and pump gas. 3. Go to lunch.
Good idea I love and will try it thanks.
Yes, I remember back in the 80's when they began adding ethanol to our fuel I was pinching pennies to manage my long commute back and forth to work so I tried the new fuel which was optional at that time with the assumptions that this new fuel that was touted to save America could save me some money on gas mileage. What a joke! I lost an average of 3 to 4 miles per gallon and my car was way down on power. I knew then that this stuff was garbage. Now that I am forced to buy this trash, thank you stupid, crooked politicians, I am also forced to deal with the results of burning this garbage in my outdoor power equipment with it's deadly destroying effects of corrosion in fuel system components of small carburetors. The only politician in Washington that I believe can understand this is Rand Paul from Kentucky because, if you can remember, he was viciously attacked by a rabid democrat neighbor while he was mowing his lawn on a summer afternoon. How many of these politicians in Washington do you think even know what a lawn mower is?!!!!
You are so right! The ethanol garbage has been forced on us like we were second class citizens. We had zero say about it. I am so utterly disgusted with the climate cultists and the corrupt degenerate democrats. I pray they are kicked out in November.
God Bless!
That's a cool idea. I wonder what the volume of the ethanol and water is after you separate the two.
one guy got 10% plus the water he added
well it would say on the pump but it is mostly 10 to 15% ethanol
How? The stochometry is the same. Some ethanol might be left over in the gas but this can be removed by doing a second or third washing with salt water.
I see: since ethanol and water are 100% miscible it must form a solution where one molecule forms vander waals force type bonds between molecules holding them closer together then the pure substance. Water is denser then it should be because the H and O atoms form hydrogen bond between molecules. These bonds are different then the covalent hydrogen bonds that hold together the H2o molecules. Water should be a gas at STP like methane.
Stoichiometry measures these quantitative relationships, and is used to determine the amount of products/reactants that are produced/needed in a given reaction. Describing the quantitative relationships among substances as they participate in chemical reactions is known as reaction stoichiometry.
Stoichiometry - Wikipedia
Thank you for the instructions. I will try this soon. Wondering if the gas in a parked (stored) car be removed the same way. I have several cars in storage.
siphon all of the gas out of the fuel tank then add non ethanol gas and should work
I LOVE "KISS".. excellent example of How To.. Thank you
Have you noticed any change in the octane of the gas after ethanol/water removal? If so, what kind of change?
About 3-4 Ron points loss
I let my ethanol separate for 45 minutes to an hour and it was fine.
Very clever...thanks!
Brilliant!!! Calcium Chloride (ice melt) added is how I used to dry methanol. Maybe it will work faster or even better. Thanks.
How about adding a little food coloring to the water you add to make the layer more obvious?
you can see the layers without food color
Ingenious. A very simple and cheap way to do this. I'll have to give this a try.
+fixedgearforlife let me know how it turns out
KimballCody My friend, you seem to have opened the political Pandora s Box.
When it loads into the transport truck the older systems show "sub octane 84" on the screen. It is low octane. IIRC even the premium is sub octane gas too.
What will be the resulting octane since the ethanol is removed? My generator has to use 87 I think.
I wish you would have made a video of the after, I guess I can try it though, thank you for the upload
We have a few places with ethanol free gas in Shreveport, La. That's all I ran in my old Merc outboards..
+joeclary1 needed on the water
Buy some AVGAS at the airport to run in your boat motors! You'll never go back!
I sure hope it works ok . Especially when you put your lawn equipment or motorcycle away for the season. 🇨🇦👍
Never leave any fuel in your tank and float bowl. Drain them and leave open to thoroughly dry. You will be glad next season.
Here in Oregon, Premium Ethanol free is readily available but runs roughly $.75 more per gal than Premium with Ethanol. Since Ethanol gas only has a 3 month shelf live, remember to run it down once per month. I try to run a tank full in my truck every month or so but it can become addicting due to the power increase.
We can remove the Catalytic converter for vehicles used off road.
I'm in SE Pa. We have a few stations that carry ethanol free gas. It seems the small engines run better with no ethanol. This an Amish farming community. They run their own businesses and farms and prefer the ethanol free. It costs more per gallon than regular gas but they say you get better run times, or mileage.
I always was under the impression that most of what octain booster is is ethanol along with certain additives and stabilizers. So...why take out ethanol only to put it back in?
If you believe that and wanty to confirm build or buy a ethanol tester and test a octane booster for ethanol. But your wrong in assumption or I can say with Lucas octane booster ( red tube ) your wrong.
Genius - THANK YOU!
I ENVISION a setup for 20 Gallons or so.
DAMN ETHANOL COST ME A $1000 CARB JOB ON MY BIKE!
NOTHING Govt can't f*** up!
Same here, and a $400 fuel pump on a car
They are widely known for just that!
Thanks for the video recently i move to turkey i Just purchased all new 2cycle motors chainsaw 460 rancher trimmer rs543 and leaf blower 570bts all husqvarna commercial grade stuff i buy quality husqvarna 2 cyxle oil and get shell v power gas 95 octane it has only %3 ethanol required by the goverment so there isnt premix gas anywere or ethanol free gas so i was looking for ways to remove ethanol from the gas you helped alot thank you
how much octane booster do you put in a 5 gallon of gas
This looks like a neat idea to do for my small engines - however, living close to a marina, I can still buy 100% non-ethanol gas. Which makes this kind of unnecessary.
I have some doubts of effective extraction. Convince me by adding water to the container first, then marking the level of the water. THEN add the gas, and see if that separation layer rises above the marked water level.
+Element of Kindness I'll do it.
Great! Look forward to that! (also be sure to show that the gas/ethanol blend doesn't have a separation layer of it's own before adding it to the water)
I think you're going to remain skeptical, as water + ethanol take up less volume together than in separate containers. (i.e. 50ml water + 50ml ethanol = 90ml mix) this isn't the correct reduction but it has to do with molecular packing. So by adding water to gas, if he extracts 100% of the ethanol it *should* actually go up still, but less than you would expect. Be sure to look up the dissolution of ethanol and water to see by how much they pack into each other...
If you really want to know how effective it was (roughly) then save all the water/eth that separated, and add salt to it (non iodized salt) until the salt stops dissolving. Then you will have two layers in your glass, one salt water and one ethanol (up to azeotropic) So then you can measure how much of each came back out of the gas. Just remember that you wont be able to get an exact figure for the ethanol because it will still hold that last few % of water unless you distill it off or use molecular sieves etc. I'd love to know your results.
@@christopherhurley2570 I think you can probably figure out what it should be. You are going to have to assume that the only thing in the gas that will fall out is the ethanol. If there are any other alcohols in the gas they may fall out as well. I think MTBE is water miscible as well. 30 years ago I used to work as an analytic chemist and I remember that we would test wells (or aquifers) near old leaking gas tanks. Back then there was no ethanol in the fuels but there was a lot organic compounds in the water. I would make my standards with gas and water. Now we are only talking about 10ppm of gas (which is a tiny amount). Though, I remember getting huge MTBE spikes and sometimes other compounds in samples. MTBE's solubility is 42g/L in water.
So, what your saying is the ethanol bonds to the water so all you have to do is drain the water and the ethanol is gone right? I do have ethanol free stations in my area but it cost $4.00 a gallon to where regular is only $2.60 a gallon it would be worth it because my motorcycle and lawn mower do not like the Ethanol fuel.
Would you need to add 85% water to E85?
Just to throw this out there. When you try to remove ethanol with this procedure, you are also removing a percentage of octane from the fuel. So if you started with 87 octane fuel and removed the ethanol, you probably have fuel in the 83 to 85 octane or less. 89 octane is the best when mixing with oil. I have been in the fuel business for 20 years and part of my business is removing water from underground tanks at convenience stores. Yes this procedure does work. Although if that gas had 10% or better ethanol in it, when water was added, it would be totally cloudy and not separate that fast. And depending on the ratio of fuel, ethanol and water mixed, it will never separate. The load of fuel then goes thru a reprocessing stage which is expensive for the store owner or his insurance company. This to get the fuel back to being usable, with octane added back of course. Most fuel tanks at stores has less than 10% ethanol, they can't keep up with the amount being used. So some stores get a load of regular(ethanol free) gas dumped on top of what is left in the tank. I guess I have been lucky with all my small engines, never have had any problems with ethanol gas. Just a reminder, add some octane when you do this and life will be good.
I have yet to find any scientific proof that ethanol fuel damages engines or their fuel systems. idk why people bash on ethanol so bad. The only thing bad about ethanol is that it has less BTUs so it does get worse gas mileage, but ethanol fuel is cheap enough to make up the difference. Especially if you are comparing similar octane ratings.
You haven't talked to any mechanics at motorcycle dealerships or small engine repair places then. I've had blowers, weed whackers and a chain saw ruined by ethanol laced fuel. Ethanol only stays stable in fuel injected vehicles which have closed fuel systems.
I have personally rebuilt a carb on a riding lawn mower, and inside the carburetor bowl was a thick layer of gross green "Algae".
Or whatever it was.
It was green and slimy and didnt dissolve with spirits.
I talked to an Old Man (wealth of knowledge) at work about it, and he said it was "the Shit that grows in ethanol".
That stuff was in all the ports.
I also had an F150 that was rarely driven due to the 12 MPG when gas got up to $5, it sat for about a year and the bottom of the gas tank rotted out.
It was a mid 90's truck, but not so old i would expect anything like that to happen.
juck huo I agree, ethanol gets a bad rap
fragwits I agree, from my experience in the fuel business with ethanol.
I always use VP-104 oxygenated race gas in my yz450, it's real fuel
At 20 dollars a gallon it should be good, lol.
I use VP C-12 in my Husaberg 570 and it performs outstanding! I buy the 5 gallon pail in Phoenix for about 75.00 and I keep the steel can for storing treated pump gas.
Wonder if you can extract the ethanol and water mix, distill, and drink......
That doesn't look like a container approved for fuel. Maybe I am wrong? Do you equalize the containers and hands before you fill?
When drained you should measure how much more fluid volume you extracted than what you put in
Blackaboe - he probably did, but got less water drained so he ended up with waterlogged gas! Very good for a car. Yeah right....
@@ShelliLoop mix it with some molecular sieve 3A for a day to dehydrate it. I'm going to try this myself.
Apparently, you never finished doing method before posting this video. When you actually finished the procedure, I'm sure you found that you couldn't drain anything from the bottle without an air vent to replace the drained water/alcohol mix. I'm guessing you had to punch a hole in the bottom of the bottles. Actually, that's not such a bad thing because if they drained without a vent, you might have a mess on your hands. So, you can un-strap the tubing, put it in a drain container and then punch a vent hole. You'd probably need another person to do it, though. Also, it might be a problem making a good seal of the tubing with the cap. One good thing with this method (besides the fact that it won't drain without a vent hole) is that the bottle is funnel shaped at the top which becomes the bottom when draining. That's a big plus. With a couple modifications, this could be a good method. I would make a leak-free cap with the hose in it and perhaps put a small valve on the bottom to use as a vent. Or you could just save the cap and throw the bottles away after punching a hole in them to drain them.
bob miller, really?
take it for what it’s worth and run with it and make it work.
please post your perfect video.
i myself found this to be an informative experiment that allowed me to open my mind and try something new.
Interesting and educational. In my area pure gasoline is available at a couple of different stations although at a premium price. Great solution if pure gas wasn't available to someone in need.
October 2022 Canada completely eliminated all non ethanol stations and I always ran premium non Ethanol in my small engines. Now I just need to fire out how to siphon off from the 24ltr glass carboy I got from a wine making shop as it didn’t come with a sealed top.
I use LL-100 avgas from my local airport about 6 bucks a gallon, I get 5 gallons for the summer to use in mowers and chainsaws....what I dont use goes into my Motorcycle in the fall. ...been using it for 4 years now with no probs.
thanks for showing us your trick
+mike dee that's what i use now.
If you do the math, removing a whole 10% ethanol from 92 octane only drops the remaining octane to 90. So luckily not that big a deal for most people.
FYSA: Ethanol has no true octane rating because it doesnt burn the same as standard gasoline (i.e. it's energy is not measurable in the same way as the octane rating)
Good video, thanks for sharing the info
+outwhitu08 you're welcome
Have you found a good octane booster yet ?
After learning of ethanol damage to small engine parts and wanting to save my lawn equipment carbs, I ended up with the same exact idea. With a BS is chemistry I thought, "Ok, easy enough, just add RO water to conventional fuel until the ethanol crashes out (sticks to the water, aka hydrophilic). Then use a separatory funnel to separate the layers." looks like there are no new ides out there ;). Realize though that most gas station fuels also have other conditioners in it which may crash out into the water as well. not really a problem though if using the fuel for small engine equipment. cant wait to try this out and save myself from buying the canned ethanol free premix ad my local HD store.
Let me know how it works
@@KimballCody It worked with some tweaking. Even after a few flushes with RO water the fuel was still hazy. My guess is due to emulsifiers/detergents added to the fuel to help stabilize the ethanol in the gas. My workaround was to use a lot of salt and make a saline solution which deactivates the detergents. This allowed for the layers to separate fairly quickly. It still works without a saline solution, but I had to wait all night for everything to settle out and decant the gas off the top
OMG...Thats my DAD!! I would recognize those CARHARTS anywhere!! Dad why did you leave me an momma?
+Stuart Cookie lol
Great video!
How well did it work?
152 stations in Illinois sell unleaded gasoline without ethanol
Any near chicago
funny because that state is big on corn farming to have non ethanol gas
I was a bit disappointed in how simple this is.
+kedwa30 I'll try to complicate the next video for you
Obviously this guy is a state government worker, exactly how they think, lol
they need more people like this involved in education
Would really be interested in the quantity drained off. Starting with 120 ounces of ethanol gasoline and 8 ounces of water, how many ounces of "straight" gasoline remained after separation?
You will loose about 10 Percent of the fuel or about 12.8 Ounces per gallon.
Are there still detergents in the gasoline after taking out the ethanol?
Good video. Why don't the big insurance lobbies fight a little bit to get the sale of non ethanol good gas for small engines, old cars and classics? They are losing a ton of money paying for all the fires and destroyed classics from the leaky o rings, spongy rubber hoses, corroded fuel systems, etc. Yeah, I know, we can replace hoses, drain the tanks and add additives. But what about the cars going down the road when they start leaking and burn to the ground?
+Z06Doug the corn industry and epa is more powerful
Big Changes to the EPA happening under President Trump now so time will tell.
There's simply not enough demand for it..a simple numbers problem. The 'invisible hand' bitch slaps again
There are gas stations that sell ethanol-free gas. It is usually about 50-70 cents per gallon more. Sometimes called "marine fuel"
Because classic cars are outnumbered by modern cars,and who drives a classic car for every day transportation? I actually do,but most dont.They good old days are not coming back.
Simply buy your fuel from a marina; they sell straight gas with no alcohol. Marine engines do not perform well on ethanol.
in cali you cant buy it from marine without ethanol, i try already.
How much water + ethanol came out?
So how are you going to get the dissolved plastic out of the gas from the plastic container.
329 stations in Missouri sell ethanol free gasoline
Yes if you want to pay a good amount more per gallon of gas.
I do not want ethanol in gasoline or at least give us a choice. I recently went on a road trip and had occasion to stop at a gas station that sells gas without 10% ethanol. According to my car driver information computer, I got 10% better gas mileage. This is a 2002 car I have owned since new and without ethanol I averaged 33 mpg with 10% ethanol 29 mpg is the absolute best I can do. I purchased the car new and in 150,000 miles of driving that is over 10% better mpg than ever. So where is the fuel and/or pollution savings?
+Joe Tabor follow the money.....
Right in the pockets of big corn
It's image and posturing. Oh, and money. Ethanol uses more petroleum in its production than it saves. It also has less chemical energy, so you get less MPG. It's all a clown show.
Never go by the computer. You need to calculate it when you fill up to get an accurate measurement.
I bought a used MB wagon 10 years ago. When driving in GA and Florida, without ethanol, I got 10% better mileage without ethanol than with ethanol.
For skeptics that was both by computer and by miles per gallon by tank.
Isnt octane booster just ethanol?
So what do you do with the ethanol that you pour off from your gas? We have ethanol free gas here but it is close to a buck higher. Since you are dealing with flammable liquids you just can't get rid of it anywhere?
+Dennis W I throw it with my waste motor oil and recycle it
So what happens if people start drinking the ethanol removed? It's basically corn whiskey. Thanks for the practical use video. I think I'll use food coloring to ensure I get a full visual of removal.
How about buying ethanol free gas instead?
@Martin Hamilton: You'd go blind or even die from it. The ethanol is 'spiked' with methanol, which is toxic. They do that because of alcohol excise duty laws.
Isn't wood based alcohol METHANOL?
No tyvek05, ethanol is ethanol no matter how it is made. What makes ethanol in gas poisonous is the methanol that is added, plus you would have residual gasoline left too, you can't get 100% separation.
VIsubby not to mention the sulfuric acid, Ammonia and sodium hydroxide. Just to name a few. If it goes through a couple more columns in distillation it could probably be consumed. But it's made to be burned.
Besides before it is legal to be transported, it is mixed with a very crappy grade of refined product of fuel. No good for your liver
If you can find a place with ethanol free gas and it does not cost 20%
more then fill up every tank you have because there is 20% or more
decrease in MPG with ethanol gasoline and massive decrease in MPG with
so called E-85.
+Bradford Ramsden i agree
I had a 2005 Ford Taurus that would burn E-85 and every time I filled the tank with E85 I would lose 3 MPG. Your millage loss with E10 would be less than that. Putting this crap in our gas is costing us in millage as well as in maintenance costs.
Bradford Ramsden it's usually more like 40% more.
3.75 vs 2.00 For fuel ant my local marina. Marinas usually have real gas for the two-smokers
Yep...
Bradford Ramsden sorry homie, that's false. I've tested it extensively and found less than 5% difference in mpg over a 4 fill up test cycle. It's not worth the $0.80-$1 per gallon price difference i see locally. Unfortunately ethanol is horrible for older vehicles mechanically.
This is totally ingenious, wow. if you had a floating pick up or a drain at the bottom.
Enjoyable vid.
Thanks.(I,ll try that!)
I'm lucky I can buy ethanol free gas from a Sunoco station nearby, use it in my car and mower and snow thrower. Car's gas mileage is MUCH better.
The Sunoco gas station about 10 miles away selling ethanol free gas cost $10 per gallon.
@@kubelwagen516 That's too bad, the one I use is only maybe 20 to 30 cents more.
@@Greg29 the one nearest me is in Horsham Pa, where is yours location?
@@kubelwagen516 Allentown PA, on Airport Rd, just across from the airport.
@@Greg29 that's amazing, you are actually in my area, I'm glad i asked you, i will definitely buy some 5 gallon gas tank and hauling those gasoline back, hope they don't have the limit on quantity purchase, thanks a million mate.
use a hemostat instead of rubber bands
+TIMOTHY WRENN will do
I have an idea. What if you made a stiff plastic tube to go up through the bottom of a container - or take a jar like the glass one - and extend the straw deep enough through the lid that it passes through the water/alcohol and into the good gas? You tip the jar upside down, the tube passes through the layer of water/alcohol and into the gas. Put a shutoff valve on the tube, and drain the gas into a new container, or, directly into the engine. The tube would have to be 1/2 inch or larger for fast gas flow. Essentially, rather than draining off the water/alcohol - you are draining off the gas. MUCH faster, and less steps.
I think I may try this myself because I have Case/Ingersoll tractors that use ONAN engines. They hate ethanol. THANKS for the great tip!
Granted my math isn’t all that good but if there’s 10% ethanol and 5-10% water to drain off, is that smaller percentage not faster to drain off vs 80-85% gasoline ????? Hahaha
A very nice way to separate the liquids
You poured what in it "water" ?
+Michael S yes
you have to use distilled water for this to work...everything thats not water will be trapped in the gas...ie minerals and heavy water
stickloaf Heavy water would behave no differently than regular water in this case
Seems the real trick is the cap/tubing fit to prevent leaking. But what do you do to dispose of the water/ethanol glop?
Goes to the same place as my waste oil
Crazy good idea!!
Its just far too easy to buy ethanol free gas for my old engines. 3.25/gallon as of sept 2017
Natty Daddy
That would be nice, but here in NM, ethanol free gas is hard to find. I was just on a motorcycle trip and I could find ethanol free gas just about everywhere in the Midwest.
velvet- that is kind of ironic since the Midwest is where the ethanol comes from.
Kirk Johnson
Yes, it make no sense to me. It was usually the premium grade only that was ethanol free. That worked for me since that it what my bike calls for. Fuel mileage was definitely better.
Jef Rey every station near me has it $20 a gallon #novaseline
Buying ethanol free fuel pre-made runs 7 to 10 dollars a gallon. Buy premium & a few gas containers, plus some clear water jugs, one syphon & away you go. Ethanol SUCKS!
It may have already been mentioned but doing this with 87 octane 10% ethanol would leave you with very low 84 octane fuel.
Only way I would do this if I was starting with premium octane level already.
Would it take more water to remove the gasoline from the ethanol in E85? Would it be safe to use the removed ethanol in windshield washer fluid?
In this video, you remove ethanol from fuel and gasoline will stay behind.
Ok, if I buy 92 Octane, 1 gallon, add 1 quart of water in a 2 gallon jug, I should end up with about 29 oz. of alcohol and water. Which leaves about 115oz. Of gas. The question is, will my outboard on my dinghy run better as and or more reliable??
ethanol is MOONSHINE
Only if you sell it, you don't need a permit to make alcohol
If you are making it for a motor fuel. If you are making it to drink then it is moonshine.
It's exactly the same (except for the gasoline).
tyvek05 yes it is... Ethanol, Ethyl Alcohol, Grain Alcohol are different names for the same exact thing. It's the alcohol that's in ALL alcoholic beverages. I'm a chemist by the way.
I am getting a headache remembering the senior class trip for spring break, 1978, We downed a bit of PGA/Everclear.. that hangover lasted a while.
1st I blended ethanol fuel for 7 years. This gentleman is basically (not 100%) correct. The issue remaining is that ethanol is an octane booster. Pure ethanol has a about 119 octane rating. (anti-knock rating) Shipped (gov't requirement) ethanol is 5% denatured (petroleum added otherwise is drinkable). Doing the math we get about 114 octane (R+M/2). If you remove the ethanol from the from the other portions of fuel you come out with about an 84 octane of 87 octane purchased fuel.
Talking roughly, if you remove the ethanol, you will be burning a 84ish octane fuel in the engine. If it your vehicle/motorcycle/lawnmower/outboard/etc doesn't knock...you 'might' be in business... kind of.
Just to mention, I use 'straight gas' (wife's instance) in my mower. and never OVER 10% ethanol! in anything. I use 87 octane (10%) ethanol fuel in my vehicles and motorcycle.
So, what is the octane booster in 'straight fuel', he asks. One time was lead (cheapest form of octane booster) Probably MTBE... another oxygenate.
+Link D'Antoni thanks
Link D'Antoni u
I don't know if it's true but I've heard adding diesel fuel to gas will increase the octane. The diesel fuel makes the gas less volatile and is supposed to prevent the explosion prior to the spark plug lighting it. I thought this video was about making alcohol free gas for a 2 cycle chain saw. The 2 cycle oil should raise the octane the same way diesel fuel does. Do any of you think that would work?
Adding diesel to gasoline does not increase the octane. Diesel has no octane value and will, however, decrease the octane. It does change the distillation mid-point. It's all a calculation. If you add diesel use 0 (zero) as the octane portion.
OK Link. Do you think diesel fuel would stop the pre-ignition of the fuel charge? After I posted the above comment I continued reading comments and saw some one else stated to put 1 ounce of diesel fuel in a gallon of gas so I'm not the only one to have heard of this. It does make sense to me that it should work. I was told to put a gallon in with 20 gallons. If I had a carbureted car I'd try it.
Great review 👍👍
about the octane booster : see if you can get Toluene its a cleaning agent and its used as a thinner for inks
xylene allso work but need more
you can buy those by the gallon and its cheaper then the octanebooster in the small bottles (basicly the same stuff )
Octane ratings are closely held "secrets" for each manufacturer.....taking ethanol out of gas,....does not lower the Octane rating....Ethanol has an inherently lower octane rating than American fuel/gas.
Having the additional ethanol in our fuel...has been a major problem for engines...especially smaller engines. The mowers, snowblowers, snow mobiles, chain saws, log splitters, etc.....should all have a non-ethanol fuel/gas. Why? The ethanol leaves a white powder residue in carburetors that eventually screws them up.
Just another "fleecing of American" people. Corporations should exist for us....not us...for them. We're now,....in the Matrix.
I don't know where you're getting your information from, straight ethanol has an antiknock index of 104 to 106, no gasoline on the planet is produced with that octane rating anymore. ethanol affects unanodized aluminums, viton seats on the needles in carburetors. Using additives like Sea Foam reduces these effects. Most new cars are immune to these problems. Proper fuel system maintenence can prevent a lot of these problems.
Y do people always bring up politics , hell I could be learning how to bake a cake on you tube and neverfails sombody gotta start running they mouth about the president , I feel sorry for those folks
Is this system applies everywhere in world or just USA?
Will this work with methanol as well? I’ve heard some stations have been adding methanol to their ETHINOL free gasoline. I just want to do this to test for methanol if it works for methanol.
I would assume it would. But I'm not sure