First, it killed 2D animation, now it’s killing Disney parks. I wish it had been good enough to inspire Disney to continue making more movies with traditional animation, but not if they are going to be glorified rehashes of their 1980s and 1990s successes.
@@dillonohlemiller401 Winnie the Pooh is considered to be the final bastion of 2D animation. Maybe if I buy it along with The Many Adventures of Winnie the Pooh I would be shedding in tears of how creative Disney used to be.
Lackadaisy was released fairly recently on UA-cam at the time of this reply. It’s not an older animation to my knowledge. You may clarify me if I am wrong though. 🙂
It's funny that I grew up on 2D animation thanks to Disney, but they've left it behind completely. In Japan, 2D is flourishing brilliantly. The best use of CG in anime shows or films is typically barely noticeable or minimally used.
Though, anime animators are severely underpaid and overworked, it's not a nice job condition to have even if you like animating, Japan's animation industry has this big problem and we can't leave that aspect behind when talking about if it is flourishing
I’d say Japanese animation is great if it weren’t for 90% of them having either the same Kyoani faces or being a shonen with millions of filler episodes and characters being still images with their mouths moving. There are like, maximum 3 good animes a year.
@@zorubark My point wasn't that the Japanese anime industry is perfect. After reading my comment again, I'm not even sure how it came off that way. Maybe you have bad eyesight or something. Sorry I didn't make a disclaimer for your sake.
I think it's especially baffling, that nobody talks about the fact, that Disney promotes Wish as their "celebration of 100 years with a blend of 2D and 3D", while the style is like 90% 3D and the backgrounds may be 2D in some scenes (when ooking at the trailer), while Disneys history consists of around 90% of 2D animation and only 10% of 3D animation. it just feels off in a way you don't want to see the movie because of this claim and the style it ended up with :/
They took their boomer daddy issues out on Walt by attacking everything he either created or a had a hand in making popular. Throwing away an entire medium, one it had worked so hard to refine and perfect for decades, was and is unforgivable.
i don't think it's because they're "celebrating their 100 years" i think they choose that style because of how well movies that use it have been doing lately
Because its cheaper to say you care about 2d animation and make several false 2d 3d movies than actually support and dedicate to making full 2d movies again. If only there was a company with an absurdly large amount of money to support more expensive traditional projects..
@@onepresence9460 i think it looks fine but it just looks like they turned down the lighting settings to low i feel like they could've gone farther with it
2D animation can't seem outdated. Some animations are just timeless like Disney Renaissance-Era or Dreamworks (example Sinbad: Legend of the seven seas). 2D animation, especially hand drawn, has soul.
Remember the old Don Bluth films too? An American Tail, All Dogs go to Heaven, and Land Before Time? That scene in All Dogs go to Heaven where the full moon is rising above New Orleans, LA in 1939 is just breathtaking. And with that music? Remember, All Dogs go to Heaven came out in 1988-1989. All hand drawn and amazing.
I’ve had this opinion since the first Toy Story came out. 3d looks incomplete; it’s like we have a new technology but it’s not quite there yet. You get what I mean when you compare the first Toy Story with the last one: it looks dated, rough, unfinished, not up to the full potential. Well, that’s what all 3d movies look to me. While with 2d we have achieved perfection, the final state, the “this is exactly what it should look like” feel.
Soul. Yes! To me, it’s like getting a hand written letter in the mail….SO much better then a text. I feel more connected to the movie. The nostalgia helps too.
I think the insistence on 2D being "outdated by 3D" lets the 3D Disney style age way faster than they anticipate (and also: it lets it age at all). I know artstyles will always develop and let older movies look dated in one way or another, but having 3D in general be regarded as "sick of and kinda outdated" is a stone they threw in their own glass house
After more than 2 decades the cool scenes of Toy Story 2 are still cool. Hercules looks like a sticker what your kid got from the doctor put on a painting compare to Klaus or Your name. But if your animation is good and the cinematography convey the story it dosen't matter how advanced your technology is it always will be appiling.
There should be more actual full 2D animation, not 2D-3D hybrids like Spider-Verse. It's not creative, it's stupid. Sure, it might be easier for the animators, but the Spider-Verse style makes the characters to move inconsistently : one second they either move like real life realistic people or like classic cartoons, and the next, they turn to ridiculous, incoherent lines, blurs and zigzags that cease to move with any weight, and back again. It may be "artistic" but you know what else is artistic? Awful sloshes of color and paintings of abstract nude women that hang in art galleries for billions of dollars. I personally don't like the Spider-Verse style, because now, most companies only do it because its popular, not because of artistic integrity. Seeing 2D in 3D movies makes me more annoyed more than anything. They show they can do 2D animation but decide not to because they're afraid of it "not being popular". It's like teasing a horse with a carrot and taking it away at the last second... Over and over again.
Fun fact: originally Disney was going to have it where they would make a pattern of different styles of animated films where one year they would release a 2d film, and a 3D film in the following year. This was changed when The Princess and Frog and Winnie the Pooh didn’t do so well financially. Note: I would like to note that The Princess and the Frog isn’t the last 2D animated film Disney made, it was Winnie the Pooh back in 2011. But I would like to note that the reason why both movies didn’t do well financially was because Disney didn’t do a good job marketing them, and they were both competing with other films that came out around the same time. The Princess and the Frog was competing against Alvin and the Chipmunks: The Squeakeul and Avatar, Winnie the Pooh was competing against Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows part 2.
Not really. They first axed traditional animation after Home on the Range (which admittedly is a terrible film on so many levels) in 2004, so everything for several years after that was all CG.
Can't forget how the expressions with 2D made us feel so many emotions , tired of watching sad 3D eyebrows and nothing else , they'll probably never bring back 2D to save time and money , so just appreciate the old authentic and unique masterpieces
I too love the way the 2D animated characters would do body language and facial expressions. It gives the said characters more oomph to their feelings and personalities, and they can show what they are thinking, reasoning, and feeling without necessary saying a word. CGI may be cheaper for the studios to use but it seems so cold and going through the motions to my opinion. Though DreamWorks CGI seems to being doing good.
Not just 2d, but I would *love* to see cel animation again. I know, it's more expensive and time consuming, but there's still a visual difference between hand painted cels and 2d digital. A few years back, I saw Snow White and Beauty and the Beast in 3d, and the way the different layers of animation stood out was incredible, and you only really get that layering with cels. Which isn't to say that I dislike 2d digital, but I'd like a direct human touch to come back to animation, with real inks and paints again.
@@Kallastar. I am a fan of the original Fox and the Hound. What a dark bittersweet movie. During the production of the movie, the surviving members of Walt Disney's Nine Old Men past the touch to the then new generation of animators. Such beautiful animation.
It's quite sad that studios seem to not want to do traditional 2D anymore and instead use the same 3D aesthetic that we've grown accustomed to for the last decade.
Yes please bring it back, I love 3d animation but I love 2d too, we can have the best of both worlds! We don't need to kill one to feed the other, our creativity is big enough for both.
Am i the only one who thinks Disney desperately needs a second renaissance? the studio's movies no longer feel that sense of creativity Disney used to be associated with and that's pity. I too love Snow White with all my heart and the fact that it'll have a Live Action reinterpretation is so gross, it feels like modern Disney is ripping apart Walt's work and legacy. i wonder if they're a lost case already. . . Also, thank you for recommending The Reluctant Dragon, that's a movie i definitely need to watch
Disney still has good stories some of them though seem rushed I wish that they would go back to 2D for some movies. Zootopia was originally supposed to be 2D but they got scared it would look too old so they went away from that idea.
@@onepresence9460 I highly doubt it. Modern Disney is too preoccupied with Marvel and Star Wars to give two shits about being innovative with their own feature films anymore. They are fully aware that they crap out the most abysmal live action remake and still make tons of bank off it because the casual audience see it and go "LoOk DiDnY wOrL!" and start whipping out their wallets with reckless abandon. Disney KNOWS that don't even need to bother anymore to make money. It's sad but that's the reality we live in right now. The only thing we can do is hope that SOMETHING finally gives lose to cause their media dictatorship to start crumbling around them so that they start giving a damn again.
I would love for Disney to go through a third restart with their 2D animation, but first they have to cut out their ESG funded politically correct propaganda crap. Don't get me wrong, I am good with movies with strong female and non-white heroes, but please Disney do it in a way that doesn't antagonize non insult your audience. Also be more original and creative in characters and their stories.
Agreed!! The sad thing is - they don't even have to ditch 3D animation entirely (you know they don't want to for $) because it's not hard to make 3D look 2D. Anime does this all the time on a much smaller budget
@@jossuecabrera8611 yeh they mix the 2d 3d and stop motion very gumball world is weird there different character and not focus on plot so the mixture of three animation fit in show even Susie is nothing but chin of female
Exactly. Just because you bring back one style, it doesn’t mean that you have to erase the other. Why can’t both 2D and 3D co-exist? Both have audiences.
For the record, Walt Disney Pictures last 2D animated movie was Winnie the Pooh in 2011. But Princess and the Frog does remain to be Disney's last 2D animated princess film...
Regardless of whether they choose to continue with 3D or return to 2D, I really wish Disney would experiment more with its storylines and animation styles. Somehow, I feel as if every single female-led Disney film has the same storyline or a variation thereof. Girl is something/wants something that goes against her family's conventions/expectations. Girl tries and fails to conform to family's standards. Girl goes on a journey of self-discovery and realises how amazing she is. Girl reconciles with her family, who realise the error of their ways and support her life choices. And while that is a great and valuable story in itself, I feel as if it has been done to death. I wish they would try for more variety with their female leads, or with their lead characters in general.
I agree with you. I wish Disney used 3D animation solely for their Pixar projects. There’s no variety in animation anymore. Shows/movies like Kim Possible, Tarzan, Lilo and Stitch, etc really showed how dynamic 2D animation can be as well as non-Disney shows like Ben 10 and Avatar: The Last Airbender - these projects have some of my favourite animation styles
I feel you, dude. As someone who wants to be an animator myself, I really find traditional animation to be really inspiring and what I want to do the most. There are other studies with 2D animation like Studio Ghibli , but I do agree that Disney’s at its best with there 2D films, like Princess and The Frog and Atlantis being some of my favorites, and they’re history consists of many amazing animated classics. And it’s definitely sad that it feels like movies in traditional animation don’t exist anymore. I hope one I would be able to make an animated movie an that style myself, with the help of others, of course. But there’s still a possibility that Disney and DreamWorks could go back to that animation style one day in the future, hopefully.
Long live the unrecognized fan favorites like Treasure Planet and Atlantis. These classics will be loved for years to come. These new live action remakes will be forgotten about in a week.
I tend to agree with you. It is still rare for most CGI movies to engage my imagination and my heart as the old 2D animated movies. The CGI style is so too plastic and souless in visuals, and souless and mechanical feeling as well. The old hand drawn cartoons in contrasts shows more life and personality into the characters, and looks refreshing.
@@bluecollie55_movies25 CGI animation can look fantastic and so full of life when done well. There’s such a feeling of soul and adventure in most CGI movies that can only be captured in 3D. Although 2D is of course absolutely timeless.
I believe it’s because the big animation studios that do animated movies just no longer know how to do 2D animation. I believe people had to come out of retirement to do the 2D animation in Mary Poppins returns as a result of this just being a lost art.
Somewhat unrelated, but this is exactly why I absolutely adore the Cuphead franchise for keeping hand-drawn 2D animation relevant. Ironically, the same devs that were inspired by Walt's classic work put in ten times the effort Disney did for their new "blended style" Wish movie.
I’m so glad I grew up in the 90’s when handdrawn animation was the norm, and after Toy Story came out a CGI movie came out every few years, it’s too bad that the only handdrawn animation that comes out in recent years is from Japan or an independent studio that gets lesser attention.
Same. It was a lot easier wanting to appreciate the novelty of CG animated movies outside of traditional animation when the only movies that existed in the 90s were a movie about toys, its sequel, and two competing bug movies.
Although i love 3D animation so much, i really miss 2D hand drawn traditional animation in movie theaters. It can do certain things, it has a magic that you can’t replicate in 3D CGI and live-action. It’s so fluid and expressive. More big budget studios should invest this to have more variety in the animation art styles. I don’t want full 3D, but I don’t full 2D neither. I want both to co-exist. I heard that Walt Disney Animation Studios will come back to traditional animation soon with Bluebeard. If that’s true, then we should really support this movie for them to know that we really miss this.
I’ve been asking for this for years. I don’t think it’s going to happen. And I hate that. I’m super nostalgic for the 2D animated Disney movies. Also, for the last time: Winnie the Pooh (2011) was the last 2D animated Disney movie! Not Princess and The Frog!!!!
Let me clarify this here: Winnie the Pooh was the true last 2D animated Disney movie, and Princess and The Frog was the Princess and the Frog is Disney's last 2D animated princess film.
I think if they do something like KLAUS, where they stylize and add texture to the 2D animation. It might come back. I think 2D can advance just like 3D. But I don’t know. Let’s hope for the best.
I miss 2D animation so much too, especially the animation done by legendary Don Bluth. If only he did not go out of business, then we'd have more of his animated movies and videos games around today.
Most of the Disney and Pixar movies are in 3D now and there's also a lot in the awful live-actions. I'm a bit tired to see it! 2D has charm and gorgeous backgrounds. You can see the details in the paintings, it's fascinating! The characters can be really expressives and cute and the action is fluid in 2D. 3D is not bad but there's way too much of it. I just rewatch Lilo and Stitch this morning, had fun looking at the movements and buildings; the Surf scene was adorable and entertaining, when nani sing Aloha oe to comfort her sister it was adorable. I don't want to see this classic ruined with ugly 3D. I'm sure Stitch will look like Simba in his live version or like Sonic first design for his live movie. This iconic aline will be boring or disgusting instead of fluffy and cute. Yay 😐
Makoto Shinkai films are perfect examples of how gorgeous 2d animation can look. Every frame of his movies are so beautiful and outshines anything Disney has made in the last 2 decades.
I just saw One Piece Film Red on digital and it’s amazing. Has great animation, popping colors, great action. There are still some 3D animation mixed in with 2D but still I think anime has proven 2D animation still works in this day and age and there are great shows like Invincible, Castlevania, and The Legend of Vox Machina. 2D animation should return to the big screen.
Traditional Animation SHOULD come back indeed. Im tired of so many CGI movies, flash-animated movies & Computer animated effects. Sure i still want CGI animated movies, especially from Pixar, but CGI is OVERUSED nowadays, especially on animation & special effects. I prefer cartoons & special effects done with practical & manual methods.
2D tends to have a timelessness to it, where even really old films look fantastic. And I think it can be more creative too, since the artists aren't bound by what a 3D model has been rigged to do.
I couldn't be hyped for Strange World because it looked generic and with Wish trailer dropping I feel the same. It looks Generic. She looks like Isabella from Encanto. Yet if you showed me Hercules and Mulan, I would never think they came from the same movie because they look distinct enough.
Unpopular opinion: I enjoyed both Strange World and Wish animation art styles. I think they look different from each other. Now Tangled and Frozen look very similar tho. They should take notes from Dreamworks. Pick The Bad Guys and Puss in Boots 2 for example.
I remember klaus as a 2d tries to blend the surroundings with 3d. Oh and also there are some studios that focus on 2d like secret of kells, song of the sea and wolfwalkers.
Since Lilo and Stich was such a success artistically and financially I’m surprised Disney didn’t move forward with more 2D features and ones that gave their animators more creative freedom.
Probably because most of their other traditionally animated films in the early aughts bombed (and deservedly so IMO.) Let's also not forget that some of their animated films during that time were primarily made by their Florida studio, which shut down in late 2003/early 2004, soon after the release of Brother Bear.
This is why I mostly just watch anime movies now. When I was a kid. I looooooved cartoons. So. Much. Animated movies were my favorite. Specifically 2D. So when they shut down their 2D animation studio, I've never forgiven them. With that said, Suzume was an absolutely gorgeous movie. I HIGHLY reccomend it. So gorgeous, and tear jerking. I actually felt something watching this movie. Real raw emotion. I don't fell that way when is watch western films anymore. But Japanese films still got it.
Traditional animation possesses an extremely artistic, lively quality that I’ve absolutely appreciated in my childhood. From Disney Classics between the 1920s-1990s, to Popeye, Looney Toons, and tons of other remarkable films and shows. Indeed, some modern computer generation animated films are brilliant. However, I feel as though that we should continue a Renaissance of both experimenting but also revive traditional animation. Nevertheless, this video explains many good points in regards to animation. Thanks very much, sir 🎉😊
I dont know if we will ever get a return of 2d animated movies from hollywood. But at least we can rely on japan's work and cartoon saloon works which i highly recommend.
I couldn’t agree more, traditional animation needs to make a comeback on the big screen 🍿🎥🎬🎞️. If you ask me, 2D animation can even make an impact on this generation of kids, especially if they like/love a certain animated movie from the past.
I think there’s two main factors of this: 2D animation requires lots of time, but more importantly, in America 2D animators are unionized and thus actually paid reasonably. that’s why most if not all American 2D animated shows have maybe the storyboards and rough animation done in America, but then the rest of the production is shipped overseas and outsourced to MUCH cheaper studios in Europe or Asia- essentially, *it would be more expensive to make a 2D film than 3D with all American animators now because they would actually have to pay their workers a living wage…* if you look at recent 2D western films from smaller studios like Wolfwalkers, Klaus, and My Father’s Dragon, none of them are made by American studios for this very reason (I believe they’re all European- the UK, France, and Spain/Portugal in particular are 2D animator hotspots there). also, because American productions aren’t looking for American cleanup artists and etc because those could just be outsourced to cheaper labor, people have suggested that it might be hard finding people to do the job at all since most artists would be much more experienced in rough animation and etc instead, but not so much in the later stages though I take this possibility with a huge grain of salt- I have seen MANY extremely skilled American 2D animators all over the internet and there are undoubtedly many more to come. (3D and VFX workers don’t have a union afaik although they desperately need one, and 3D is indeed less time consuming so they spend less money for less time. although 3D animation is often outsourced to Europe and Asia too…) edit: also just look at how much of a multimillion dollar industry 2D animation is in Japan, but then also look at how horribly the workers are treated, they’re paid literal poverty wages and have overworked to the point of suicide at times. (although recently China is also becoming an animation powerhouse and actually pays their employees sufficiently, and it’s gotten so bad that Japanese animators are moving to China for work, so this isn’t any sort of excuse at all.) *TL;DR the biggest obstacle here is capitalist greed.*
@@tulip811 read the rest of the reply- japanese animators are EXTREMELY abused, paid literal poverty wages and their deadlines are absolutely insane, many of them are so overworked that they have committed suicide. yes their productions are beautiful but the anime industry desperately needs reforms and better working environments and salaries. a better example would be china, who is also strengthening their 2D animation but they have better conditions and better pay, in fact so many japanese artists are leaving their native studios and heading to china for work that japanese anime is struggling finding workers (which no shit, nobody wants to work 80 hours a week getting paid slave wages…)
Could you imagine how disappointed Walt Disney would be in the current state of Disney? I just watched a documentary about his history and that dude was so gifted at collaboration, creating amazing creation's, finding the right people for the right things. They were TRULY DIVERSE, genuinely talented like we rarely see. Dedicated and Passionate towards creating imagination bending works of art and they Really did understand all the aspects and processes that mattered. For what it took to create those works of art. *(I just saw that Ukraine just started creating 2d animation for their military videos and it really reminded me of what I saw Walt do during WW2) I love seeing cartoon styled animated video's being used again. Just how Walt Disney did (out of his own pocket) he believed it was the least he could do for his country and his countrymen who were giving so much to the war to protect our nation and the greater good in the world. (If you think about it. Walt Disney did a lot for pushing advancements in science/creativity. He made understandable information that taught so many people of all ages, and from all sorts of different walks of life, to inform on very important matters and subjects of the time. Things that might seem out of place or difficult now, were completely relative to the current situations everyone was dealing with at that point in time. (The passion Walt gained for science and technology is what sparked his passion for Epcot and learning how to build all these cutting edge devices, city planning concepts, animatronics puppets of Abe Lincoln or the talking/signing birds in the tiki lounge. Plus all the other puppets on all the other interactions around his theme park. I just watched a documentary covering the career of Walt Disney and he really was a amazingly uniquely talented person. Where he himself had a insane drive towards innovation and new ideas BUT what I think his best trait was: That Walt was SO GOOD at interacting with everyone around him and he just had this amazing ability to find the PERFECT person for different jobs, things, roles. To really bring out the best in OTHER people around him. I truly believe that's one of the most important traits in a great leader. If anyone is in a group of people who are set on creating anything. (It's rare when someone comes across with the unique style and approach like Walt Disney had and really all it takes is to watch the coverage documentary that covers all of this uniquely awesome stuff that positively impacted SO MANY PEOPLE in so many ways and places. It didn't matter who you were, the chance that something from the Walt Disney era impacting you in a positive way is nearly 100% a possibility. There really was some of the best attributes of humanity, teamwork, and motivated passionate creativity that occured thru this group of Walt Disney era team members and we all could learn something from them. In some way or another.)
The only problem is that almost every 2d animated film released in theatres past 2004 has bombed, I would like 2D to return someday, but audiences need to support it (also some kids might think of 2D as “old and childish”).
it's felt like the people who want to make the cheap 3d animation stuff is the executives who don't want to pay animators to do the work to hand animate things, when it's so much cheaper and easier to either do mo-cap or program the motions with software. feels like it's all down to cost cutting measures on the part of the executives in management, cause now that they aren't paying a bevvy of animators to make their movies, and have outsourced the hard work to dedicated sub-studios instead of doing it in house, they're making hand over fist compared to what they were making before, and to them, that's the only thing that matters, quality of the product be damned.
This is why Eric Goldberg was one of Disney's 2D animators who wants to bring back 2D animation like me, and wants people to see that it is not outdated by 3D animation because Walt Disney Animation Studios needs to retain its 1990s 2D art & animation style to not look too much like Pixar's 3D art & animation. I made the same case for Sponge Out of Water, when I was happy for the film to have four different styles of animation with creative shifts between each one, and remember to credit all four teams of animators. April 30, 2023, 7:25pm The Spongebob show's traditional 2D animation was the most of the film because I know they would not abandon the show's main setting for a majority live-action film where the characters mess around above water before they actually know where they need to go to get back the Krabby Patty secret formula. Because that was too much like what The Smurfs did in 2011, and why would Spongebob Squarepants underuse its own 2D animation team in favor of what everybody else is doing on the big screen?
Anybody who says that traditional animation is outdated has no idea what they're talking about. It's literally just drawing and coloring, which always has been and always will be a valid art form. CG animation, meanwhile, is less art than it is technology.
As a filmmaker myself, I have a MILESTONE WISH, and that is eventually making an officially crafting a muscal hand drawn animated project with music by Alan Menken and essentially based on one of his collaborations in one of the japanese disney attractions with an official straight forward villain that can be even potrayed by Doc Ock who is married to Jen Lee as a hint and with some broadway dream casting voice choices that i have in my passion project like james corden and seth macfarlene for example, better wish me luck on that determination i suppose
I totally agree. I think the 3D looks good, but i'm sick and tired of it. That's why i'm kind of disappointed with wish because it said it was gonna be traditionally animated but then it was not. False promises that got me excited and I was disappointed when I watched the trailer.
I heard that 2D hand drawn traditional animation will come back at Disney with Bluebeard coming in 2025 maybe. As for Wish, i personally adored the art style. But that’s just my opinion of course.
@@onepresence9460 Well they're going to have to be the ones to prove it, because after the kind of stunts pulled by Lasseter and Catmull in the last decade I've been done giving Disney my full support or trust anymore. They have to be the ones to show us that they're willing to let us have 2D animation again and honestly stay committed to it. I was patient enough to wait for them to put out their trailer for Wish and give them a chance with that film, but all they really showed me with that trailer is how much of a letdown they're still wanting to be.
The last 2D animated Disney movie was Winnie the Pooh anc they decided to release it at the same time the last Harry Potter movie. It’s clear Disney wanted to step away from 2D and I wish they would go back
it's been so long since I watched disney, but the early disney animations are what made me love animation and art, it got me into drawing and into animating.
I would say this is arguable for some video games as well. Pokémon black and white were fantastic games and arguably the greatest and games like OCTOPATH show that 2D style in general or pixel can still look great and amazing.
Couldn't agree more. We need to see a renaissance of traditional animation. This comment section is really encouraging. Also, some feedback. Try talking slower or having longer pauses. I thought I had the video on 1.5x speed at one point (10:20 - much better!).
I’m actually in school for 3d rendering and modeling to hopefully work at disney and the software they use (Maya) makes making movies easier vs a 2d version, if you want to make the character run in 3d you can record someone running and put that in a software and the model will run, vs 2d where you have to make the animation run frame by frame. It longer to make a 2d vs 3d and also 3d is more of an eye candy for a lot and the numbers prove it
Don’t get me wrong I would like to see 2d make a comeback but I love the details in 3d. I love going back and see how realistic mirabels skirt moves or the hair in Moana moves.
I really love both 2D and 3D animation. Their differences are what makes them unique. I might have a preference for 2D hand drawn, but i would gladly accept a gorgeous 3D movie like Moana.
Kinda sad that the last theatrical 2D animated movie from any of the big guns was.............Space Jam: A New Legacy (a interesting flawed movie to say the least), and it was only half of it and before that, The Spongebob Movie: Sponge Out of Water a 5 year gap between the two, and also only half of it Tho from what i head, some people also blame it on the early 2000s movies based on various cartoon shows (Rugrats, Doug, Recess, The Powerpuff Girls, Hey Arnold, The Wild Thornberries, Clifford, Teacher's Pet, Spongebob, and to an lesser extent The Simpsons), because lead to some parents seeing the 2D animated movies at that time as cash-grabs their children could wait until the show airs or if it's actually original wait for it to get a TV show; most of which either never got a TV show like The Iron Giant, Titan A.E., and Treasure Planet (not like they could make a TV show out of either of those three) or not as good as the original movie (Atlantis) or simply often forgotten or not really brought up (The Emperor's New Groove, Osmosis Jones, Lilo & Sitich)
There is a animated company that never made 2d animation that is illumination and illumination is a company that only made cgi animated movies and i hope illumination will also do 2d animated movies in the future
A few weeks ago I watched the Anime Movie"Suzume"in cinema and it was breathtaking,I think Disney won't go back to 2D Animation because 3D is cheaper and Hollywood showed over the last years,that they don't thake Animation serious,because they think that Animation isn't for adultes. which is very stupid
Eastern European animation has a lot of excellent stop motion and a wider variety of styles in general. Plus we just got Del Toro's Pinochio, Phil Tippett's Mad God, and Henry Selick's Wendell and Wild recently, which were all really good.
@loafiejm 🍞 thats why I mentioned Wendell and Wild, Selick is the actual director of the Burton produced stop motion films (as much as I like Burton's early films, I don't find him to be anything special as far as directors go, he mainly surrounds himself with more talented people, which isn't a bad thing, but once I started watching more European animation, i kind of realized Burton is a hack. Watch Jan Svankmejer, or the Quay Brothers, or Robert Morgan, or Sam Barnett for some really unique stop motion. There's also a hilarious show called A Town Called Panic that's basically like Gumby on speed.)
Its frustrating that every single animated film nowadays is just CGI. Why not just switch it up every now and again like some films can be in stop motion, others can be hand drawn and others can be CGI but it's just CGI and it's getting old and tiring at this point.
Couldn’t agree more with you. If everything was in 3D, 2D or Stop-Motion, i would be bored. We need a balance and variety between the styles. Spider-Verse is 3D magnum opus, The Prince of Egypt is 2D magnum opus and Coraline is Stop-Motion magnum opus.
100% they're going to do this with Ursula too. Watch Twisted by Starkids and Disney is just ripping them off: Hook - I only wished to teach the boy responsibility. I never knew my father. Maleficant - I only wished to go to the party Ursula - He dethroned me and disowned me and on top of that renowned me to thr outskirts in a cave. Took my sceptre and my crown, though I tried to take him down... Funny thing is, in that, even the villains agree "I only wish to make a coat made out of puppies" is responded yo with "You're not helping" "Why would you do that?" "Disregard that" Even the other villains knew Cruella fundamentally went too far.
If you're talking about the 90s Hook film, I don't think that was Disney (please correct me if I'm wrong.) But Maleficent was 100% Disney's answer to the success of Wicked on Broadway, and nothing you say will convince me otherwise. (In fact, I think there's a good case to be made that Wicked started, or at least popularized, the pattern of redoing the plots of existing works from the villain's point of view.)
@@hotwax9376 ua-cam.com/video/-77cUxba-aA/v-deo.html "Whistle while you swallow a spoonful of sugar and your dreams will come true upon a star." Turns out Wicked was 2003 and this is 2013, but it's really good.
Fr man, going from their original cels to the absolute advancement in 2D now, you feel the amazing evolution of the hand drawn animation, but it’s a shame it’s dwindled, but thankfully it seems thanks to Spider-Verse and other projects, maybe we MIGHT get a return to traditional animation
I respect both animations but 2D animations is so much more impressive and warm to me. I feel like because it takes that much more time, more heart goes into it, more thought too. You have time between designing the frames to be thinking about the story. Its like the difference between writing a love letter and have a robot do it for you lol
The upcoming Nimona is also gonna use 2D animation based on the new images seen. There is a bit of 3D animation in there but the 2D animation overshadows it. Netflix seriously needs to market Nimona this instant!
I actually didn't know Treasure Planet even existed until recently and I watched it and I LOVED it! It was amazing and really made me miss that old animation style!
I agree, they need to bring back 2D animation because that’s what made them big in the first place! Plus it’s really a shame that they have forgotten about this style and just go for the live action remakes that nobody wants! Especially the franchise fatigue with Marvel and Star Wars. I miss when Disney was all about the magic now it’s all gone! Hopefully it would return someday we can only hope.
We don’t talk enough about how beautifully animated princess and the frog actually is. It’s the last and best Disney’s 2d animation has ever been
IKR? We shall keep begging until Disney finally relents!
First, it killed 2D animation, now it’s killing Disney parks. I wish it had been good enough to inspire Disney to continue making more movies with traditional animation, but not if they are going to be glorified rehashes of their 1980s and 1990s successes.
@@Attmay Man, it's almost as if they think we're behaving like spoiled brats or something!
*cough* Winnie the Pooh 2011 was the last *cough*
@@dillonohlemiller401 Winnie the Pooh is considered to be the final bastion of 2D animation. Maybe if I buy it along with The Many Adventures of Winnie the Pooh I would be shedding in tears of how creative Disney used to be.
Lackadaisy shows that 2d animation can still be done and done well
ok yeah but then again its kinda old and people want to see more animations like spider verse
Lackadaisy was released fairly recently on UA-cam at the time of this reply. It’s not an older animation to my knowledge. You may clarify me if I am wrong though. 🙂
I agree! 🐈
@@ashlegend4128 Hun Lackadaisy was released a month ago it isn't old
@@catkat9901 He meant to say, "a bit overrated"
It's funny that I grew up on 2D animation thanks to Disney, but they've left it behind completely.
In Japan, 2D is flourishing brilliantly. The best use of CG in anime shows or films is typically barely noticeable or minimally used.
Though, anime animators are severely underpaid and overworked, it's not a nice job condition to have even if you like animating, Japan's animation industry has this big problem and we can't leave that aspect behind when talking about if it is flourishing
whats funny
Disney animators aren’t treated any better
I’d say Japanese animation is great if it weren’t for 90% of them having either the same Kyoani faces or being a shonen with millions of filler episodes and characters being still images with their mouths moving. There are like, maximum 3 good animes a year.
@@zorubark My point wasn't that the Japanese anime industry is perfect. After reading my comment again, I'm not even sure how it came off that way. Maybe you have bad eyesight or something.
Sorry I didn't make a disclaimer for your sake.
I think it's especially baffling, that nobody talks about the fact, that Disney promotes Wish as their "celebration of 100 years with a blend of 2D and 3D", while the style is like 90% 3D and the backgrounds may be 2D in some scenes (when ooking at the trailer), while Disneys history consists of around 90% of 2D animation and only 10% of 3D animation.
it just feels off in a way you don't want to see the movie because of this claim and the style it ended up with :/
They took their boomer daddy issues out on Walt by attacking everything he either created or a had a hand in making popular. Throwing away an entire medium, one it had worked so hard to refine and perfect for decades, was and is unforgivable.
i don't think it's because they're "celebrating their 100 years" i think they choose that style because of how well movies that use it have been doing lately
I personally enjoyed the animation art style of Wish, but i agree that it’s pretty ironic isn’t it?
Because its cheaper to say you care about 2d animation and make several false 2d 3d movies than actually support and dedicate to making full 2d movies again. If only there was a company with an absurdly large amount of money to support more expensive traditional projects..
@@onepresence9460 i think it looks fine but it just looks like they turned down the lighting settings to low i feel like they could've gone farther with it
2D animation can't seem outdated.
Some animations are just timeless like Disney Renaissance-Era or Dreamworks (example Sinbad: Legend of the seven seas).
2D animation, especially hand drawn, has soul.
Agreed. I miss 2D animation.
Remember the old Don Bluth films too? An American Tail, All Dogs go to Heaven, and Land Before Time? That scene in All Dogs go to Heaven where the full moon is rising above New Orleans, LA in 1939 is just breathtaking. And with that music? Remember, All Dogs go to Heaven came out in 1988-1989. All hand drawn and amazing.
I’ve had this opinion since the first Toy Story came out.
3d looks incomplete; it’s like we have a new technology but it’s not quite there yet. You get what I mean when you compare the first Toy Story with the last one: it looks dated, rough, unfinished, not up to the full potential.
Well, that’s what all 3d movies look to me.
While with 2d we have achieved perfection, the final state, the “this is exactly what it should look like” feel.
@@supremelordoftheuniverse5449 3d and CGI will always age and looks outdated compared to the new ones. 2D is just timeless.
Soul. Yes! To me, it’s like getting a hand written letter in the mail….SO much better then a text. I feel more connected to the movie. The nostalgia helps too.
I think the insistence on 2D being "outdated by 3D" lets the 3D Disney style age way faster than they anticipate (and also: it lets it age at all).
I know artstyles will always develop and let older movies look dated in one way or another, but having 3D in general be regarded as "sick of and kinda outdated" is a stone they threw in their own glass house
Tbh that’s plain wrong. I can watch any movie from the Disney golden era and be left speechless at how high quality the animations are
Which is worse, bad 2D animation or bad 3D animation? I say the latter.
Some 3D movies look outdated, some don’t. I still get impressed by Tangled, Wreck-It Ralph 1 and Moana’s animation.
I just finished watching sleeping beauty. Dude, that movie was awesome ❤ Looks completely stunning
After more than 2 decades the cool scenes of Toy Story 2 are still cool. Hercules looks like a sticker what your kid got from the doctor put on a painting compare to Klaus or Your name. But if your animation is good and the cinematography convey the story it dosen't matter how advanced your technology is it always will be appiling.
We need more 2D films. We need to mix up things for the animated film industry. There are infinite possibilities with drawings instead of 3D models.
I agree, but i think you can also be creative with 3D models too. Spider-Verse, The Mitchells and Arcane are really innovative. But it’s rare.
@@onepresence9460 Spider-Verse and Mitchells did the 2D/3D hybrid better than Wish. The animation industry needs more 2D and stop motion films.
I'd gladly go crazy and invest in a feature length pixel art animated film. It's a neglected medium that also deserves to shine
There should be more actual full 2D animation, not 2D-3D hybrids like Spider-Verse. It's not creative, it's stupid. Sure, it might be easier for the animators, but the Spider-Verse style makes the characters to move inconsistently : one second they either move like real life realistic people or like classic cartoons, and the next, they turn to ridiculous, incoherent lines, blurs and zigzags that cease to move with any weight, and back again. It may be "artistic" but you know what else is artistic? Awful sloshes of color and paintings of abstract nude women that hang in art galleries for billions of dollars.
I personally don't like the Spider-Verse style, because now, most companies only do it because its popular, not because of artistic integrity. Seeing 2D in 3D movies makes me more annoyed more than anything. They show they can do 2D animation but decide not to because they're afraid of it "not being popular". It's like teasing a horse with a carrot and taking it away at the last second... Over and over again.
@@ernestomiloli8414traditional 2d animation also has characters move like real people and then turn into beyblade spinners, what are you saying?
Fun fact: originally Disney was going to have it where they would make a pattern of different styles of animated films where one year they would release a 2d film, and a 3D film in the following year. This was changed when The Princess and Frog and Winnie the Pooh didn’t do so well financially.
Note: I would like to note that The Princess and the Frog isn’t the last 2D animated film Disney made, it was Winnie the Pooh back in 2011. But I would like to note that the reason why both movies didn’t do well financially was because Disney didn’t do a good job marketing them, and they were both competing with other films that came out around the same time. The Princess and the Frog was competing against Alvin and the Chipmunks: The Squeakeul and Avatar, Winnie the Pooh was competing against Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows part 2.
Not really. They first axed traditional animation after Home on the Range (which admittedly is a terrible film on so many levels) in 2004, so everything for several years after that was all CG.
I’m glad I’m not the only one who wants 2D animation style films to come back!
There's got to be many of us who want 2D animation back.
Only one? There been some People begging for more 2d movies for a decade now
Forget it sherlock is not going to happen!
I'm all for it too. It's the true Disney Magic.
@@paulspivey6799 Agreed.
The Christmas movie Klaus was a miracle for 2D animation. Absolutely stunning in every manner. I watch it every Christmas
Can't forget how the expressions with 2D made us feel so many emotions , tired of watching sad 3D eyebrows and nothing else , they'll probably never bring back 2D to save time and money , so just appreciate the old authentic and unique masterpieces
I too love the way the 2D animated characters would do body language and facial expressions. It gives the said characters more oomph to their feelings and personalities, and they can show what they are thinking, reasoning, and feeling without necessary saying a word. CGI may be cheaper for the studios to use but it seems so cold and going through the motions to my opinion. Though DreamWorks CGI seems to being doing good.
And this is the real reason why studios refuse to bring it back: it takes too long and costs too much for the men and women in suits.
Not just 2d, but I would *love* to see cel animation again. I know, it's more expensive and time consuming, but there's still a visual difference between hand painted cels and 2d digital. A few years back, I saw Snow White and Beauty and the Beast in 3d, and the way the different layers of animation stood out was incredible, and you only really get that layering with cels. Which isn't to say that I dislike 2d digital, but I'd like a direct human touch to come back to animation, with real inks and paints again.
I would LOVE that.
The fox and the hound 1 and 2 is a example of how cel animations are more beautifull than digital
👍😎😀😀😀 💚💚💚. That's very cool and awesome. 🎥
@@Kallastar. I am a fan of the original Fox and the Hound. What a dark bittersweet movie. During the production of the movie, the surviving members of Walt Disney's Nine Old Men past the touch to the then new generation of animators. Such beautiful animation.
YESSSSSS
It's quite sad that studios seem to not want to do traditional 2D anymore and instead use the same 3D aesthetic that we've grown accustomed to for the last decade.
Yes please bring it back, I love 3d animation but I love 2d too, we can have the best of both worlds! We don't need to kill one to feed the other, our creativity is big enough for both.
You said it, buddy 😁👍
Thank you.
Am i the only one who thinks Disney desperately needs a second renaissance? the studio's movies no longer feel that sense of creativity Disney used to be associated with and that's pity.
I too love Snow White with all my heart and the fact that it'll have a Live Action reinterpretation is so gross, it feels like modern Disney is ripping apart Walt's work and legacy. i wonder if they're a lost case already. . . Also, thank you for recommending The Reluctant Dragon, that's a movie i definitely need to watch
Disney still has good stories some of them though seem rushed I wish that they would go back to 2D for some movies. Zootopia was originally supposed to be 2D but they got scared it would look too old so they went away from that idea.
Let’s hope Wish will be the start of a new Renaissance for Disney.
@@onepresence9460 I highly doubt it. Modern Disney is too preoccupied with Marvel and Star Wars to give two shits about being innovative with their own feature films anymore. They are fully aware that they crap out the most abysmal live action remake and still make tons of bank off it because the casual audience see it and go "LoOk DiDnY wOrL!" and start whipping out their wallets with reckless abandon. Disney KNOWS that don't even need to bother anymore to make money. It's sad but that's the reality we live in right now. The only thing we can do is hope that SOMETHING finally gives lose to cause their media dictatorship to start crumbling around them so that they start giving a damn again.
I would love for Disney to go through a third restart with their 2D animation, but first they have to cut out their ESG funded politically correct propaganda crap. Don't get me wrong, I am good with movies with strong female and non-white heroes, but please Disney do it in a way that doesn't antagonize non insult your audience. Also be more original and creative in characters and their stories.
They did have one. Starting with either princess and the frog or Tangled.
Agreed!! The sad thing is - they don't even have to ditch 3D animation entirely (you know they don't want to for $) because it's not hard to make 3D look 2D. Anime does this all the time on a much smaller budget
Even some western animations like gumball do this so well
@@jossuecabrera8611 yeh they mix the 2d 3d and stop motion very gumball world is weird there different character and not focus on plot so the mixture of three animation fit in show even Susie is nothing but chin of female
Exactly. Just because you bring back one style, it doesn’t mean that you have to erase the other. Why can’t both 2D and 3D co-exist? Both have audiences.
You really being ungrateful for Disney 2d and 3d animation old and new together
Tom & Jerry also did it, with the new theatrical movie.
It's the best attempt at 3D copying 2D I've seen yet.
For the record, Walt Disney Pictures last 2D animated movie was Winnie the Pooh in 2011.
But Princess and the Frog does remain to be Disney's last 2D animated princess film...
You claim you love 2D but don't even know a 2D Winnie the Pooh film was made.
@@Zed-ti9uj
Who are you talking to?
Regardless of whether they choose to continue with 3D or return to 2D, I really wish Disney would experiment more with its storylines and animation styles. Somehow, I feel as if every single female-led Disney film has the same storyline or a variation thereof. Girl is something/wants something that goes against her family's conventions/expectations. Girl tries and fails to conform to family's standards. Girl goes on a journey of self-discovery and realises how amazing she is. Girl reconciles with her family, who realise the error of their ways and support her life choices. And while that is a great and valuable story in itself, I feel as if it has been done to death. I wish they would try for more variety with their female leads, or with their lead characters in general.
Agree. With that say I feel Kate Crackernuts, Miss Green princess and Donkey Skin can make cool Disney princess.
I agree with you. I wish Disney used 3D animation solely for their Pixar projects. There’s no variety in animation anymore.
Shows/movies like Kim Possible, Tarzan, Lilo and Stitch, etc really showed how dynamic 2D animation can be as well as non-Disney shows like Ben 10 and Avatar: The Last Airbender - these projects have some of my favourite animation styles
I feel you, dude. As someone who wants to be an animator myself, I really find traditional animation to be really inspiring and what I want to do the most.
There are other studies with 2D animation like Studio Ghibli , but I do agree that Disney’s at its best with there 2D films, like Princess and The Frog and Atlantis being some of my favorites, and they’re history consists of many amazing animated classics.
And it’s definitely sad that it feels like movies in traditional animation don’t exist anymore. I hope one I would be able to make an animated movie an that style myself, with the help of others, of course.
But there’s still a possibility that Disney and DreamWorks could go back to that animation style one day in the future, hopefully.
Don't forget, there is also that new animation studio in Ireland called Cartoon Saloon, the company that gave us Wolfwalkers.
I have been saying this for years! 3D can be really cool, but I don't think anything really beats the hand-drawn art.
The Prince of Egypt was one of the most amazing movie experiences I've ever had. Period.
Long live the unrecognized fan favorites like Treasure Planet and Atlantis.
These classics will be loved for years to come.
These new live action remakes will be forgotten about in a week.
Please everyone show some love to the movie Klaus, they did an excellent job.
I really miss 2d cause it has such character that 3d cant hit exactly, the 2.5d stuff is hopefully a start to going back to 2d
You can also see like the authentic, "homemade" look within each frame, if that makes any sense (especially in the older classic filme). It's charming
I tend to agree with you. It is still rare for most CGI movies to engage my imagination and my heart as the old 2D animated movies. The CGI style is so too plastic and souless in visuals, and souless and mechanical feeling as well. The old hand drawn cartoons in contrasts shows more life and personality into the characters, and looks refreshing.
@@bluecollie55_movies25 CGI animation can look fantastic and so full of life when done well. There’s such a feeling of soul and adventure in most CGI movies that can only be captured in 3D. Although 2D is of course absolutely timeless.
@@sugarcandykiddycat1986 Yea I understand, same kinda charm like the old gumbo claymations or old Robot Chicken where you see their fingerprints
Treasure Planet is one of my fav disney movies. It's not forgettable imo; I'll always remember it.
2D > 3D
Man, the Ninja Turtles movie that came out last year was so beautiful.
i’m literally a 3d animator and i agree with everything you said in this video
I have no problem with 3D animation tbh, it can be really beautiful.
My biggest concern is with the lack of actual great stories and sequels.
I believe it’s because the big animation studios that do animated movies just no longer know how to do 2D animation. I believe people had to come out of retirement to do the 2D animation in Mary Poppins returns as a result of this just being a lost art.
No it’s because this studios (including Disney) think this movies make more money being 3d
Somewhat unrelated, but this is exactly why I absolutely adore the Cuphead franchise for keeping hand-drawn 2D animation relevant. Ironically, the same devs that were inspired by Walt's classic work put in ten times the effort Disney did for their new "blended style" Wish movie.
Klaus was a very smart next step for the 2D. What a great movie and what a great animation
I agree.
the thing here is all 3D characters LOOK EXACTLY THE SAME.😭
They should learn a thing or 2 with Dreamworks. Each movie they made had a different style, even being 3D animated.
I’m so glad I grew up in the 90’s when handdrawn animation was the norm, and after Toy Story came out a CGI movie came out every few years, it’s too bad that the only handdrawn animation that comes out in recent years is from Japan or an independent studio that gets lesser attention.
Same. It was a lot easier wanting to appreciate the novelty of CG animated movies outside of traditional animation when the only movies that existed in the 90s were a movie about toys, its sequel, and two competing bug movies.
My thoughts exactly. I liked CG a lot better when it was the exception rather than the rule.
Although i love 3D animation so much, i really miss 2D hand drawn traditional animation in movie theaters. It can do certain things, it has a magic that you can’t replicate in 3D CGI and live-action. It’s so fluid and expressive. More big budget studios should invest this to have more variety in the animation art styles. I don’t want full 3D, but I don’t full 2D neither. I want both to co-exist.
I heard that Walt Disney Animation Studios will come back to traditional animation soon with Bluebeard. If that’s true, then we should really support this movie for them to know that we really miss this.
I’ve been asking for this for years. I don’t think it’s going to happen. And I hate that. I’m super nostalgic for the 2D animated Disney movies.
Also, for the last time: Winnie the Pooh (2011) was the last 2D animated Disney movie! Not Princess and The Frog!!!!
Let me clarify this here: Winnie the Pooh was the true last 2D animated Disney movie, and Princess and The Frog was the Princess and the Frog is Disney's last 2D animated princess film.
@@pennysanchez7656 technically, yes. Both facts are true
I think if they do something like KLAUS, where they stylize and add texture to the 2D animation. It might come back. I think 2D can advance just like 3D. But I don’t know. Let’s hope for the best.
The fact that he made that mistake just proves how much that film flew under the radar (and still does.)
I miss 2D animation so much too, especially the animation done by legendary Don Bluth. If only he did not go out of business, then we'd have more of his animated movies and videos games around today.
Most of the Disney and Pixar movies are in 3D now and there's also a lot in the awful live-actions. I'm a bit tired to see it! 2D has charm and gorgeous backgrounds. You can see the details in the paintings, it's fascinating! The characters can be really expressives and cute and the action is fluid in 2D. 3D is not bad but there's way too much of it.
I just rewatch Lilo and Stitch this morning, had fun looking at the movements and buildings; the Surf scene was adorable and entertaining, when nani sing Aloha oe to comfort her sister it was adorable. I don't want to see this classic ruined with ugly 3D. I'm sure Stitch will look like Simba in his live version or like Sonic first design for his live movie. This iconic aline will be boring or disgusting instead of fluffy and cute. Yay 😐
When I grow up to work at Dreamworks, then one of my pitches would be a 2D animated film
I would definitely watch it 👍
As for me, i would pitch a 2D movie, a 3D movie and a Stop-Motion movie to have variety.
@onepresence9460 I would probably subvert some tropes, like making romance the primary part of the movie and making action the secondary part.
Makoto Shinkai films are perfect examples of how gorgeous 2d animation can look. Every frame of his movies are so beautiful and outshines anything Disney has made in the last 2 decades.
I just saw One Piece Film Red on digital and it’s amazing. Has great animation, popping colors, great action. There are still some 3D animation mixed in with 2D but still I think anime has proven 2D animation still works in this day and age and there are great shows like Invincible, Castlevania, and The Legend of Vox Machina. 2D animation should return to the big screen.
Have you seen beastars? I've heard that the show is literally full on 3d animation. Which baffles me.
It looks like a piece of shit with ugly desaturated compositing and is barely animated
I mean look at spiderverse movies
The beat in the bgm made me think you were gonna start rapping a diss track to Disney
Traditional Animation SHOULD come back indeed. Im tired of so many CGI movies, flash-animated movies & Computer animated effects. Sure i still want CGI animated movies, especially from Pixar, but CGI is OVERUSED nowadays, especially on animation & special effects. I prefer cartoons & special effects done with practical & manual methods.
2D tends to have a timelessness to it, where even really old films look fantastic. And I think it can be more creative too, since the artists aren't bound by what a 3D model has been rigged to do.
I feel like they stepped away from 2d animation bc it's easier to turn 3d animation into toys considering they already look like dolls in the movies.
I couldn't be hyped for Strange World because it looked generic and with Wish trailer dropping I feel the same. It looks Generic. She looks like Isabella from Encanto. Yet if you showed me Hercules and Mulan, I would never think they came from the same movie because they look distinct enough.
Unpopular opinion: I enjoyed both Strange World and Wish animation art styles. I think they look different from each other. Now Tangled and Frozen look very similar tho.
They should take notes from Dreamworks. Pick The Bad Guys and Puss in Boots 2 for example.
I remember klaus as a 2d tries to blend the surroundings with 3d. Oh and also there are some studios that focus on 2d like secret of kells, song of the sea and wolfwalkers.
That's called Cartoon Saloon, and that's in Ireland.
@@dreamguardian8320 Oh yeah. wait was them in star wars vision season 2 I saw some scene that feel and look like Cartoon Salon.
@@chuckieariola7406 That's true, there is an episode that is made by Cartoon Saloon, and I look forward to seeing it. I hope it's good.
we had two chances to get hand drawn back but instead we saw avatar and harry potter 7.
Since Lilo and Stich was such a success artistically and financially I’m surprised Disney didn’t move forward with more 2D features and ones that gave their animators more creative freedom.
Probably because most of their other traditionally animated films in the early aughts bombed (and deservedly so IMO.) Let's also not forget that some of their animated films during that time were primarily made by their Florida studio, which shut down in late 2003/early 2004, soon after the release of Brother Bear.
This is why I mostly just watch anime movies now. When I was a kid. I looooooved cartoons. So. Much. Animated movies were my favorite. Specifically 2D. So when they shut down their 2D animation studio, I've never forgiven them.
With that said, Suzume was an absolutely gorgeous movie. I HIGHLY reccomend it. So gorgeous, and tear jerking. I actually felt something watching this movie. Real raw emotion. I don't fell that way when is watch western films anymore. But Japanese films still got it.
Traditional animation possesses an extremely artistic, lively quality that I’ve absolutely appreciated in my childhood. From Disney Classics between the 1920s-1990s, to Popeye, Looney Toons, and tons of other remarkable films and shows. Indeed, some modern computer generation animated films are brilliant. However, I feel as though that we should continue a Renaissance of both experimenting but also revive traditional animation.
Nevertheless, this video explains many good points in regards to animation. Thanks very much, sir 🎉😊
Right now Suzame is coming to the theaters. 2D beautifully animated form look of it on trailers. Maybe try watching it
I dont know if we will ever get a return of 2d animated movies from hollywood. But at least we can rely on japan's work and cartoon saloon works which i highly recommend.
True.
I couldn’t agree more, traditional animation needs to make a comeback on the big screen 🍿🎥🎬🎞️.
If you ask me, 2D animation can even make an impact on this generation of kids, especially if they like/love a certain animated movie from the past.
11:37 HEY! Treasure planet was epic, perfectly blended both 2d and 3d...
I think there’s two main factors of this: 2D animation requires lots of time, but more importantly, in America 2D animators are unionized and thus actually paid reasonably. that’s why most if not all American 2D animated shows have maybe the storyboards and rough animation done in America, but then the rest of the production is shipped overseas and outsourced to MUCH cheaper studios in Europe or Asia- essentially, *it would be more expensive to make a 2D film than 3D with all American animators now because they would actually have to pay their workers a living wage…*
if you look at recent 2D western films from smaller studios like Wolfwalkers, Klaus, and My Father’s Dragon, none of them are made by American studios for this very reason (I believe they’re all European- the UK, France, and Spain/Portugal in particular are 2D animator hotspots there). also, because American productions aren’t looking for American cleanup artists and etc because those could just be outsourced to cheaper labor, people have suggested that it might be hard finding people to do the job at all since most artists would be much more experienced in rough animation and etc instead, but not so much in the later stages though I take this possibility with a huge grain of salt- I have seen MANY extremely skilled American 2D animators all over the internet and there are undoubtedly many more to come.
(3D and VFX workers don’t have a union afaik although they desperately need one, and 3D is indeed less time consuming so they spend less money for less time. although 3D animation is often outsourced to Europe and Asia too…)
edit: also just look at how much of a multimillion dollar industry 2D animation is in Japan, but then also look at how horribly the workers are treated, they’re paid literal poverty wages and have overworked to the point of suicide at times. (although recently China is also becoming an animation powerhouse and actually pays their employees sufficiently, and it’s gotten so bad that Japanese animators are moving to China for work, so this isn’t any sort of excuse at all.)
*TL;DR the biggest obstacle here is capitalist greed.*
Japan can do it too tho
@@tulip811 read the rest of the reply- japanese animators are EXTREMELY abused, paid literal poverty wages and their deadlines are absolutely insane, many of them are so overworked that they have committed suicide. yes their productions are beautiful but the anime industry desperately needs reforms and better working environments and salaries.
a better example would be china, who is also strengthening their 2D animation but they have better conditions and better pay, in fact so many japanese artists are leaving their native studios and heading to china for work that japanese anime is struggling finding workers (which no shit, nobody wants to work 80 hours a week getting paid slave wages…)
Could you imagine how disappointed Walt Disney would be in the current state of Disney? I just watched a documentary about his history and that dude was so gifted at collaboration, creating amazing creation's, finding the right people for the right things. They were TRULY DIVERSE, genuinely talented like we rarely see. Dedicated and Passionate towards creating imagination bending works of art and they Really did understand all the aspects and processes that mattered. For what it took to create those works of art. *(I just saw that Ukraine just started creating 2d animation for their military videos and it really reminded me of what I saw Walt do during WW2)
I love seeing cartoon styled animated video's being used again. Just how Walt Disney did (out of his own pocket) he believed it was the least he could do for his country and his countrymen who were giving so much to the war to protect our nation and the greater good in the world. (If you think about it. Walt Disney did a lot for pushing advancements in science/creativity. He made understandable information that taught so many people of all ages, and from all sorts of different walks of life, to inform on very important matters and subjects of the time. Things that might seem out of place or difficult now, were completely relative to the current situations everyone was dealing with at that point in time. (The passion Walt gained for science and technology is what sparked his passion for Epcot and learning how to build all these cutting edge devices, city planning concepts, animatronics puppets of Abe Lincoln or the talking/signing birds in the tiki lounge. Plus all the other puppets on all the other interactions around his theme park. I just watched a documentary covering the career of Walt Disney and he really was a amazingly uniquely talented person. Where he himself had a insane drive towards innovation and new ideas BUT what I think his best trait was: That Walt was SO GOOD at interacting with everyone around him and he just had this amazing ability to find the PERFECT person for different jobs, things, roles. To really bring out the best in OTHER people around him. I truly believe that's one of the most important traits in a great leader. If anyone is in a group of people who are set on creating anything. (It's rare when someone comes across with the unique style and approach like Walt Disney had and really all it takes is to watch the coverage documentary that covers all of this uniquely awesome stuff that positively impacted SO MANY PEOPLE in so many ways and places. It didn't matter who you were, the chance that something from the Walt Disney era impacting you in a positive way is nearly 100% a possibility. There really was some of the best attributes of humanity, teamwork, and motivated passionate creativity that occured thru this group of Walt Disney era team members and we all could learn something from them. In some way or another.)
The only problem is that almost every 2d animated film released in theatres past 2004 has bombed, I would like 2D to return someday, but audiences need to support it (also some kids might think of 2D as “old and childish”).
Agree children today are so advanced with their phones & their Tik tok editing they’ll never be into a 2D animation unlike 3D
The movies weren't good tho
I always felt like Disney Animation should have been making 2d animated movies, while Pixar does 3d!
it's felt like the people who want to make the cheap 3d animation stuff is the executives who don't want to pay animators to do the work to hand animate things, when it's so much cheaper and easier to either do mo-cap or program the motions with software.
feels like it's all down to cost cutting measures on the part of the executives in management, cause now that they aren't paying a bevvy of animators to make their movies, and have outsourced the hard work to dedicated sub-studios instead of doing it in house, they're making hand over fist compared to what they were making before, and to them, that's the only thing that matters, quality of the product be damned.
I actually Wish in November will an important part of reviving 2D animation in Disney
Klaus is the BEST 2D movie nowadays
Doesn’t Klaus use some 3D in it?
No has just some great skill shadowing used
Did you watch Klaus? That was a whole new way to push 2D and 3D animation !
I also think Tom & Jerry deserves a mention for it. It amazingly took advantage of the 3D medium to recreate 2D.
True, and that was a good movie.
This is why Eric Goldberg was one of Disney's 2D animators who wants to bring back 2D animation like me, and wants people to see that it is not outdated by 3D animation because Walt Disney Animation Studios needs to retain its 1990s 2D art & animation style to not look too much like Pixar's 3D art & animation. I made the same case for Sponge Out of Water, when I was happy for the film to have four different styles of animation with creative shifts between each one, and remember to credit all four teams of animators. April 30, 2023, 7:25pm
The Spongebob show's traditional 2D animation was the most of the film because I know they would not abandon the show's main setting for a majority live-action film where the characters mess around above water before they actually know where they need to go to get back the Krabby Patty secret formula. Because that was too much like what The Smurfs did in 2011, and why would Spongebob Squarepants underuse its own 2D animation team in favor of what everybody else is doing on the big screen?
Anybody who says that traditional animation is outdated has no idea what they're talking about. It's literally just drawing and coloring, which always has been and always will be a valid art form. CG animation, meanwhile, is less art than it is technology.
I couldn't agree with you more. We need hand-drawn animation back.
As a filmmaker myself, I have a MILESTONE WISH, and that is eventually making an officially crafting a muscal hand drawn animated project with music by Alan Menken and essentially based on one of his collaborations in one of the japanese disney attractions with an official straight forward villain that can be even potrayed by Doc Ock who is married to Jen Lee as a hint and with some broadway dream casting voice choices that i have in my passion project like james corden and seth macfarlene for example, better wish me luck on that determination i suppose
Really good video with very solid points. Seeing all those classics really does take me back
I totally agree. I think the 3D looks good, but i'm sick and tired of it. That's why i'm kind of disappointed with wish because it said it was gonna be traditionally animated but then it was not. False promises that got me excited and I was disappointed when I watched the trailer.
I heard that 2D hand drawn traditional animation will come back at Disney with Bluebeard coming in 2025 maybe.
As for Wish, i personally adored the art style. But that’s just my opinion of course.
@@onepresence9460 Well they're going to have to be the ones to prove it, because after the kind of stunts pulled by Lasseter and Catmull in the last decade I've been done giving Disney my full support or trust anymore. They have to be the ones to show us that they're willing to let us have 2D animation again and honestly stay committed to it.
I was patient enough to wait for them to put out their trailer for Wish and give them a chance with that film, but all they really showed me with that trailer is how much of a letdown they're still wanting to be.
The last 2D animated Disney movie was Winnie the Pooh anc they decided to release it at the same time the last Harry Potter movie. It’s clear Disney wanted to step away from 2D and I wish they would go back
This is the reason why Anime Movies are getting more popular. Its the only medium where we get 2d animation.
it's been so long since I watched disney, but the early disney animations are what made me love animation and art, it got me into drawing and into animating.
I would say this is arguable for some video games as well. Pokémon black and white were fantastic games and arguably the greatest and games like OCTOPATH show that 2D style in general or pixel can still look great and amazing.
Hunchback of notre dame to me was the last truly gorgeous hand drawn movie
Couldn't agree more. We need to see a renaissance of traditional animation. This comment section is really encouraging.
Also, some feedback. Try talking slower or having longer pauses. I thought I had the video on 1.5x speed at one point (10:20 - much better!).
I’m actually in school for 3d rendering and modeling to hopefully work at disney and the software they use (Maya) makes making movies easier vs a 2d version, if you want to make the character run in 3d you can record someone running and put that in a software and the model will run, vs 2d where you have to make the animation run frame by frame. It longer to make a 2d vs 3d and also 3d is more of an eye candy for a lot and the numbers prove it
Don’t get me wrong I would like to see 2d make a comeback but I love the details in 3d. I love going back and see how realistic mirabels skirt moves or the hair in Moana moves.
I really love both 2D and 3D animation. Their differences are what makes them unique. I might have a preference for 2D hand drawn, but i would gladly accept a gorgeous 3D movie like Moana.
Reviving 2D animation is like bringing the hammer of dawn back online from Gears 5.
You're preaching to the choir brother ❤❤❤
Crazy Disney TV series are 2D & remain successful while movie department no idea how to bring it back.
Kinda sad that the last theatrical 2D animated movie from any of the big guns was.............Space Jam: A New Legacy (a interesting flawed movie to say the least), and it was only half of it
and before that, The Spongebob Movie: Sponge Out of Water a 5 year gap between the two, and also only half of it
Tho from what i head, some people also blame it on the early 2000s movies based on various cartoon shows (Rugrats, Doug, Recess, The Powerpuff Girls, Hey Arnold, The Wild Thornberries, Clifford, Teacher's Pet, Spongebob, and to an lesser extent The Simpsons), because lead to some parents seeing the 2D animated movies at that time as cash-grabs their children could wait until the show airs or if it's actually original wait for it to get a TV show; most of which either never got a TV show like The Iron Giant, Titan A.E., and Treasure Planet (not like they could make a TV show out of either of those three) or not as good as the original movie (Atlantis) or simply often forgotten or not really brought up (The Emperor's New Groove, Osmosis Jones, Lilo & Sitich)
There is a animated company that never made 2d animation that is illumination and illumination is a company that only made cgi animated movies and i hope illumination will also do 2d animated movies in the future
A few weeks ago I watched the Anime Movie"Suzume"in cinema and it was breathtaking,I think Disney won't go back to 2D Animation because 3D is cheaper and Hollywood showed over the last years,that they don't thake Animation serious,because they think that Animation isn't for adultes. which is very stupid
Totally stupid indeed. Animation is a medium and it’s for everyone. It’s a way to tell a story. It deserves equal respect to live-action.
@@onepresence9460 Walt Disney: "If you aim only for childern, you are already dead.Adluts are just childern grown up anyway."
I mean... traditional animation was never gone
2D animation needs a comeback!
I agree, the title and thumbnail alone got you a sub broski
i think the new trailer for the disney movie looks just like regular disney 3d animation with different shading
I want more claymation
Eastern European animation has a lot of excellent stop motion and a wider variety of styles in general. Plus we just got Del Toro's Pinochio, Phil Tippett's Mad God, and Henry Selick's Wendell and Wild recently, which were all really good.
Claymation rocks 👌
I heard their making a new one called Wildwood.
@@CinnamonGrrlErin1 yes those are good!! I also miss Laika and tim burton clay stuff i guess
@loafiejm 🍞 thats why I mentioned Wendell and Wild, Selick is the actual director of the Burton produced stop motion films (as much as I like Burton's early films, I don't find him to be anything special as far as directors go, he mainly surrounds himself with more talented people, which isn't a bad thing, but once I started watching more European animation, i kind of realized Burton is a hack. Watch Jan Svankmejer, or the Quay Brothers, or Robert Morgan, or Sam Barnett for some really unique stop motion. There's also a hilarious show called A Town Called Panic that's basically like Gumby on speed.)
Klaus (2019) was such a great exception from today's standard in many ways.
Its frustrating that every single animated film nowadays is just CGI. Why not just switch it up every now and again like some films can be in stop motion, others can be hand drawn and others can be CGI but it's just CGI and it's getting old and tiring at this point.
Couldn’t agree more with you. If everything was in 3D, 2D or Stop-Motion, i would be bored. We need a balance and variety between the styles. Spider-Verse is 3D magnum opus, The Prince of Egypt is 2D magnum opus and Coraline is Stop-Motion magnum opus.
100% they're going to do this with Ursula too.
Watch Twisted by Starkids and Disney is just ripping them off:
Hook - I only wished to teach the boy responsibility. I never knew my father.
Maleficant - I only wished to go to the party
Ursula - He dethroned me and disowned me and on top of that renowned me to thr outskirts in a cave. Took my sceptre and my crown, though I tried to take him down...
Funny thing is, in that, even the villains agree "I only wish to make a coat made out of puppies" is responded yo with "You're not helping" "Why would you do that?" "Disregard that"
Even the other villains knew Cruella fundamentally went too far.
Disney 2d animation is back now there’s an ad of 101 dalmations in case u haven’t seen it last year it was
If you're talking about the 90s Hook film, I don't think that was Disney (please correct me if I'm wrong.) But Maleficent was 100% Disney's answer to the success of Wicked on Broadway, and nothing you say will convince me otherwise. (In fact, I think there's a good case to be made that Wicked started, or at least popularized, the pattern of redoing the plots of existing works from the villain's point of view.)
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"Whistle while you swallow a spoonful of sugar and your dreams will come true upon a star."
Turns out Wicked was 2003 and this is 2013, but it's really good.
Fr man, going from their original cels to the absolute advancement in 2D now, you feel the amazing evolution of the hand drawn animation, but it’s a shame it’s dwindled, but thankfully it seems thanks to Spider-Verse and other projects, maybe we MIGHT get a return to traditional animation
Computer animation is nice, but it is time for traditional animation to make a triumphant comeback.
I respect both animations but 2D animations is so much more impressive and warm to me. I feel like because it takes that much more time, more heart goes into it, more thought too. You have time between designing the frames to be thinking about the story. Its like the difference between writing a love letter and have a robot do it for you lol
The upcoming Nimona is also gonna use 2D animation based on the new images seen. There is a bit of 3D animation in there but the 2D animation overshadows it. Netflix seriously needs to market Nimona this instant!
Story and characters are most important.
That's right, if they ever bring back Gigantic, I hope it will have a good story and maybe have it be 2D animated.
Dont even need to watch the video, the title says everything. I NEED IT!
2D animation is something I miss. Need to come back.
I actually didn't know Treasure Planet even existed until recently and I watched it and I LOVED it! It was amazing and really made me miss that old animation style!
If the 2d animated movies look good today then the ones now will look AMAZING!
I agree, they need to bring back 2D animation because that’s what made them big in the first place! Plus it’s really a shame that they have forgotten about this style and just go for the live action remakes that nobody wants! Especially the franchise fatigue with Marvel and Star Wars. I miss when Disney was all about the magic now it’s all gone! Hopefully it would return someday we can only hope.
The whole "2d is more expensive" excuse doesn't fly because 2d is actually usually cheaper.