Breed Your Own Rose: Hybridize in 4 Steps
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- Опубліковано 24 чер 2024
- To hybridize a rose is a simple matter, but it does take a little bit of planning and preparation. In nature, roses are cross-pollinated by bees - but for controlled breeding of roses, you will need to collect the pollen yourself and transfer it to your chosen "mother plant" (seed parent) without interference from those same bees. With a little care, this can be done over the course of 3 days or so, then it's just left to waiting for seeds to develop and germinate as normal. In this video I'll go through rose hybridization step-by-step at an amateur level.
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Rose hybridization isn't a hobby, it's a lifestyle.
You bet!
Or an obsession 😂
True that!
It's an addiction, breed a few good roses and it's then hard to go a season without a crop of babies coming along, LOVE seeing those first blooms while seedlings yet remain in their trays! Fun also researching varieties to breed and working with one's own unique selections that have proven themselves.
Love your videos mate. Never was that interested in roses but I'm slowly turning into a fanatic and have my first successful cutting. Only one, but feels like such an achievement!
Same 😄
Oh wow now l realy want to try it ❤ it would be amazing to have my own created rose 😮❤
Hi Jason, it’s good to see you again. Always with innovations and information on our dearly loved roses.
Very interesting, but frankly I’m not ready for this. This summer has been so hot and dry that I’ve given up on many things I was doing in gardening.
I certainly will always listen with great pleasure to all the knowledge you present us specially on roses. Thank you.
Omg finally the video we are all secretly waiting for!!!♥️♥️♥️
Roses are my favorite flowers. It's a new knowledge knowing about hybridization. Thank you so much.
Great video, careful and very well thought of text, clear and relevant information! That's how you do it! I'm learning a lot, not only about roses, but also about how to make concise, effective and nice to watch videos! My big thing and most of my videos are about breeding and germinating orchids, but roses are such a joy too!
Thanks so much. Very informative and detailed. Easily understood. I live in tropical Puerto Rico where my roses grow year round. I already have 12 heirloom roses I purchased online in Oregon. Now to try this technique
Informative, clear and factual. Thank you
My pleasure. Thanks Jane
Wow mate, timely. I hard questions I was going to ask. I haven't watched yet but we'll see what you have to say.👍
Thank you, your videos are so educational I really enjoy!
Thanks so much Tamra!
Awesome! Thank you. Love your videos. All are packed full of great detailed information.
Awesome! Thank you so much for all the helpful information. I truly appreciate it.
Awesome! I'm going to give this a try and see what I get. Thank you for sharing!
Awesome! Thank you for introducing me to the world of making rose babies. I am excited to start experimenting.
Best luck - I hope you breed something great.
You always give out such great information in a very understandable way. Thanks for a great video! /Barbara from Sweden
Thanks for your feedback and encouragement Barbara!
Thank you Jason.
another excellent video. Thanks, Jason!
Thanks Bruce
Conteúdo muiti útil, direto e super agradável . Ecelentente lição...muito grato!
A very wonderful video, may God reward you Greetings to you from Egypt
Hi Jason, your videos are always informative 👍love your content.
Thanks so much Mata Daniel
Learning a lot from your channel.
Your video is very informative. The selection process will take time to get a good new hybridized rose. It will be interesting for people who have large properties and a great passion for roses.
You bet. The large breeders do thousands of crosses at a time and evaluate at a much larger scale, but I think there's still a lot of room for smaller hobbyists to get involved. One of my favorite roses is 'Stephen's Big Purple' and it was not from a large breeding program. I don't think you'd ever have classified Paul Barden as a large-scale breeder either, but his roses have made quite an impression. And of course, even David Austin himself started out with just a few crosses and the idea that the large breeders don't have all the answers!
rose breeding is whole art,finally I have some interesting plants in my collection and can start work with them in intense in the next years. Im more interested in crosses with different species,so it can provide some interesting results, but it is also difficulties which you can awoid while you work with modern varieties.
Don't be afraid,it cost nothing but a little bit of time. Just choose healthy ones,which feels nice in your climat,and cross them
great information! thank you!
Fun to try.
great information, thankyou sir. I will be giving this a go for a bit of fun.
Best wishes with your experimentation!
Thanks so much!
Thank you
thank you for this video it's really helped
Would love to see some examples of the roses you got at the end
Thanks fidèle - I'll definitely update as I produce anything noteworthy.
Always so interesting.
Thanks Lisbet!
Great video, thanks for sharing!
Very much my pleasure. Thanks for watching!
Thank you!!!! The shortest and most easily to understand how to hybrid rose video ever. I am more interested to hybrid my 2 antique, extremely fragrant roses. Both have perfumed petals, so when i stand near them, i can smell the heavenly perfume even when they are at bud stage. Once they are flowering again, (i hard pruned them just yesterday because thrips and whitefly attacks) i am giving this a try. I have to choose the mother plants in small movable pot though, to move them in shade. The past 5 years or so my rosehips never ripen, they burnt to crisp due to hot weather. Thanks again for the video. Would be great to see your name as rose hybridizer one day :)
My pleasure. I hope you're successful with your fragrant roses - the world can always use another nicely scented rose.
Thank you!
You bet Dorothy! Thanks for watching
We'll explained thankyou bro
You're so welcome!
Casi me metia a estudiar ingeniería en agronomía para saber esto, gracias por la info 👌
Eres muy bienvenido
Very interesting 👍
You bet. I'm definitely playing around with it a lot more next season.
@@FraserValleyRoseFarm Will be looking forward to..
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👍👍 Thank you
I really enjoy coming to school here Jason. You are an awesome teacher. One question though, can you teach patients because I think this is a class project that could take several years to see any results.
Thanks Dennis. That's one topic I feel completely unqualified to teach - I'm as impatient as anyone I know!
Awesome video...I think I'm going to try next year...I know the mother rose I want...cold hardy, never any disease, nice size ,but not enough fragrance...so pops will be fragrant and since fragrance is recessive I'm hopeing for a happy medium scent.💛🌹💜
Great idea! I love 'Maigold' for color and even fragrance, but it's a beast for size and only offers scattered rebloom - I'd like to see about crossing with some of my most floriferous minis just to see how it turns out.
This is the first time I have ever actually seen this process in detail.
I've always been curious, but never had enough information to consider trying it.
This video is officially my guide to Frankenroses on my property and it's all because of you Jason!
HAHAHA HAH!!!!!!!!!!!🌹🥀🌹🥼🔬🤪😂🤣🤙
I look forward to it!
Jason looking svelter in every video.
Ooh, questions...
Are crosses between rugosas and floribundas possible? If all goes well, when would you expect to see flowers?
We always enjoy your videos, but I admit that I was hesitant to watch this one. I am glad I watched. You did an excellent job of making something intimidating seem doable.
Thanks so much. Okay, that question goes into the category of things you could make a) simple, b) complex, or c) interesting. Simple: rugosa roses tend to be more compatible genetically with other rugosas and certain wild roses. Complex: there's something in genetics called "ploidy". For many of the modern hybrid roses, the ploidy is 4n (tetraploid) while most rugosas are 2n (diploid). Roses with different ploidy can be difficult to breed together or result in sterile offspring. Interesting: if everyone knew and followed these rules, and only crossed roses with similar ploidy, we wouldn't have 'Stanwell Perpetual', 'Queen of the Bourbons' or 'La France' (the first hybrid tea!) Nature does find a way, and in some exceptional cases, (like Rosa kordesii) these ploidy counts unexpectedly bounce to make the impossible possible. So while you might expect better results (as a beginner) using just modern hybrids with similar genetics, some breeders (like Ralph Moore) were unafraid to experiment with very different parents just to see what happens.
@@FraserValleyRoseFarm Thanks, that is the best explanation of ploidy I have read anywhere. I didn't understand it at all before, but now half understand it.
Great video, thank you. I wonder how the hybridizing you did in this video and others you may have done turned out
The example was done a bit late in the season, so nothing from this cross. I'll be doing some more this year. Previous attempts and saves seeds gave mixed results. I had a nice looking (pale colored) seedling from Wild Blue Yonder, but it wasn't very vigorous.
I so wish I had time and space for this
Ooooo thanks for the info! One thing I was wondering would rain remove the pollen after it is deposited on the female bits? Thanks Jason.
Not so much. The stigma becomes a little bit sticky as it's ready to accept pollen.
Hi Jason- I just found your site. Very informative. It's late October in South Carolina and the temperatures typically mild (26c-55c).
My roses are still going strong. I'd like to try my hand at hybridizing. Is it too late to cross-pollinate them at this time?
It probably is a little late - you'd need 3-4 months of ripening time for the seeds, and by December/January there's not enough warm weather for that.
I've already collected, stratified and sown the seeds of my Blackboy with really interesting results. I have about 24 seedlings growing, the earliest have grown and budded. The first wasxa rich red, the second one looks like it's going to be a hot pink and the 3rd looks like it'll be a crimson dark red. It's amazing the results and truly satisfying. Photos on ARE.👍
Thanks Darryl. I'll check them out! It is really amazing how much diversity you can find from the same mother plant.
@@FraserValleyRoseFarm sadly once I clipped the buds off the 3 seedlings have gone down hill, yellowing leaves. The one with the red bud just shriveled and died. Don't know what I did wrong, except maybe not got it into proper soil early enough.
@@darrylrowley7547rose seedlings are hard to keep alive when you breed them most of all damp off also aphids and spider mites seem to know they are weak plants and only attack them
@@BLEACH500 I haven't found that, after last year. I have lost a lot but expected that, the survival of the fittest. I now have nearly 20 rose plants to work through to see if they are any good.
A great experience Id suggest to anyone who wants to give it a go.
Hello, thanks for the clarification and for the accurate and useful information. I had a question, how do I know the male flower from the female flower?
Hi Haiam. Roses have male and female parts on the same flower as shown in the video
Great video, thanks Jason. Would it be worth putting those sheer jewelry\organza bags over it to protect it? If you get a rose that looks different than the parents, what needs to be done to test to be sure you have a good rose? Or is just getting a rose you like make it done? Thanks again as always.
Hi Lance. Those would work because they won't trap moisture, but would keep accidental pollinators away. I think you'd probably only have to keep them on for less than week before any risk is over. It's quite possible the offspring would look quite different than both parents even if the recorded parentage is accurate - all the DNA is remixed from previous generations, and with modern hybrids there's a lot of variability to be had. That said, there are enough comments on Helpmefind and elsewhere questioning the stated parentage of roses and I'm sure mistakes are made. I'd go along with your final point: getting a rose you like is the goal, so if you get there with a happy accident, what's the harm?
Would you also talk about the following items please: 1. can you breed floribunda to hybrid tea? 2. what rose combinations are notorious losers so we know what has already been tried? 3. what rose combinations are still needing to be done or what are some areas of exploration? 4. in each hip, are all the seeds genetically the same or do you pull seeds out of the hips and plant them individually?
also, I will check out the forum you mentioned.
Sure Andrew. Yes, in general hybrid teas are quite compatible with floribunda roses and they have been widely interbred. #2 and #3 are exactly the kind of questions they discuss on the hybridizer forum, but it'll also depend on your own interests - I'd be excited to explore some modern crosses with the Portland roses, but to each his own. Each seed is genetically distinct - like fraternal twins, so they all get grown and evaluated individually.
@@FraserValleyRoseFarm Thank you. very interested to try this now!
Very interesting. Good info. What are the two roses you are using? They are so pretty. I am ordering roses from Antiques rose emporium, pioneer roses, where they made new roses from 2 old roses. example twisted sister.
Thanks Rodney. The yellow was Graham Thomas, the apricot was Abbaye de Cluny. That cross was just for the demonstration though, since it's now too late in the year (locally) for the hips to ripen.
Wow you are a genius
If I tried this, I would try to breed more rosa acicularis crosses. Therese Bugnet is the only one I know. It's a wonderful plant.
No argument from me!
Hi Jason, very interesting! If I remember after I am all set up , I might try just to see how is done and who knows what will come out of it! Thanks a lot, always interesting videos! Are all rose hips edible?
I haven't heard of any being toxic, but they're not all equally fleshy, so the hips of a rugosa are bound to be a little "more" edible than those of a Scots' rose
@@FraserValleyRoseFarm oh thanks, you are a gem!
Hey Jason - What spacing is recommend for roses for cut flower production? I haven't been able to find any information online on this topic. Would it vary by variety or is there an industry standard?
I've only visited one cut flower rose producer in person (it's a dying industry locally because of foreign competition). They were fairly tight - maybe 18" between crowns, but with a 3-4' row space in between for harvesting & crop work. I'm quite sure it varies between producers though.
good afternoon. Me and my friends like your videos on UA-cam and Facebook. sometimes we do not have time to write down your recommendations and recipes. have to scroll several times. it is a pity that there is no running line repeating your text. Thanks for your work.
Thanks Vera. I was pretty sure you could use the "CC" or closed captioning to get the text to follow the spoken words.
In dry area, it should be covered with clear small plastic bag for 7 to 10 days, pollen must be transfer 3 to 4 time in the morning.
Thanks for the great video! I wonder if any of the steps in the process change for antique roses that bloom only once a season. I am guessing it's the same process but in a compressed timeframe with little room for error (otherwise you must wait a year to try again). Thoughts?
You're exactly right - it's a tighter bloom cycle, and your selection of pollen may be limited unless you've stockpiled some viable frozen pollen from varieties that aren't in bloom
@@FraserValleyRoseFarm Many thanks!! Good point! Very much appreciate your videos!
Wonderful video,Jason I tried to find rose hips and germinate those seeds but my rose seeds didn't germinate overtime. 👍👍
Sorry to hear it. Not every seed hip has equally viable seeds, so that's one thing. The other idea is to try a more natural way of stratification: mine I do in the fridge in vermiculite, but I've seen others succeed with scattering the seeds into regular potting soil, lightly covering, and leaving it out in the elements over winter.
I will try your best method of thin layer of soil, your best idea and way always help to improve me and plants 👍
I am in the UK so we are coming into autumn. However, I would love to give this a go. Would it be better to wait until next summer?
Hi Pauline. Yes, for the selection & transfer of pollen, I think it'd be best to wait until next season. You can still practice at collecting ripe hips (if you haven't deadheaded) from open-pollenated flowers around the garden & lock down your germination. Some of those seedlings can be interesting too!
I have my mini-roses in pots. could I take them inside to form seeds when the weather is too cold? (Sweden)
I have flowers now and cant wait untill next spring! 🙈😎
I'm telling Lisa!
Lol. I'm sure she has me figured out!
Hello, I have couple of roses in my garden. I watched your germination video so interested to know that can I use two or more male pollen with one female. How long I will wait if I do tomorrow say Sept 6 or 7th 2022. When I can get the red color seeds and please show how I preserve for the next season and when and how I prune the same for next season. Thanks.
Whether you can ripen your rose hips will depend on your climate. In my area, September is too late to start a cross and expect the hips to ripen. If you're in a warmer climate (or the southern hemisphere) it might be something like 4 months. You can mix 2 types of pollen, but each seed will only be the offspring of one or the other, not both. 1 father, 1 mother.
Hi Jason, just wanted to clarify one point: are roses self-fertile? I know that apples, in the rose family, are generally self-incompatible and require pollination from another variety - but wasn't sure if the same applies to all or most garden roses. I gather that the emasculation step you described is to prevent self-pollination but wasn't entirely sure. Also... how many years does it take a typical rose seedling to flower? Thanks, great vid as always.
Great question - and I realize now that I didn't explain it fully. Roses *are* self-fertile, so that's exactly what the emasculation step is to prevent. Not that self-pollinated seeds are necessarily the worst thing, but if the plan is for you to introduce a different pollen parent, having all that pollen nearby may spoil your plans. I've seen blooms on quite young (sometimes within a couple months of seed germination), but those early flowers may not give you a great idea of what to expect from a more established plant.
@@FraserValleyRoseFarm so what happens when plants pollinate themselves? Do the specimens turn out to be flawed?
Sounds equally like great fun and also incredibly frustrating, having to wait so long, and then perhaps find out that it didn't work?
Fair point. I think most people who take it up will play it as a numbers game, attempting a batch of crosses (between different pollen and seed parents) at a time, and knowing that some will be sterile or incompatible, but for every successful pollination, you may end up with between 10 and 30 seeds. It doesn't take very many successes to produce more seedlings than you can manage!
@@FraserValleyRoseFarm True! Maybe I'll give it a go next year when things are back in bloom. I currently only have two rose plants and they're both quite young so only really had a few flowers then gave up (also because of the crazy swings in weather this year). I believe the types I have are Rhapsody in Blue and Arthur Bell. I don't really know how such different colours (purple and yellow) would work. Do they find a middle ground, or does one become dominant? Or is it just completely indeterminate?
Thank you for putting out these videos; it's a bit of calming catharsis in these otherwise rather turbulent times ❤
Off the subject. What is the name of the rose behind you at the beginning of your video? Cream and pink. Is it a vine?
That one is the ever-popular Pierre de Ronsard (Eden Climber).
Could stratification be done with whole rose hips?
No, it's better to remove them from the hips. In nature, of course, the whole hip would drop, but it appears the seeds have to wait until the hip rots away naturally before stratification begins. By removing them from the hips, you get a head start.
I really want to do it, however i do not know how this can be done in "small house and garden" conditions. It would be so useful to have a list of equipment that is needed.
As with anything, there's a small-scale way to do it - but the equipment needed is really minimal. I think you would have seen me use a small pair of trimmers and a little bowl (any sort will do). Once the seeds are ripe, it's just a fridge for stratification - but you could also do that naturally - and some potting soil for germination.
How do you stratify the rose seeds without them rotting from too much moisture or drying up from not enough moisture? I've tried the wet paper towel in a plastic bag but they always rot. This is the only part of rose breading I can't get through.
Thanks for the video!
You could always move to a more natural approach, and just scatter the clean seeds into a potting mix and keep them outside (maybe in a sheltered spot) over winter.
@@FraserValleyRoseFarm thanks, I'll try that this year.
This is interesting. I've always wondered how roses in my garden would be if they were crossed. One question though: Do all seeds in a rose hip have the same genetics?
No, they're siblings - sometimes by different pollen, and all genetically different.
@@FraserValleyRoseFarm oh okay interesting. So I guess the most specific you can get is identifying the pollen and mother plant. But you can have many siblings from the same cross in a single rose hip.
Yes - and there have been a few cases where each of these "siblings" has been its own introduction.
@@FraserValleyRoseFarm wow... That's nuts. I'm beginning to see how tedious a breeding program can be. There's lots to evaluate - not to mention the years of testing it takes!
I am dumb😢 I used one of the flowers in my vase and it just hit when I took all of the petals
Beautiful rose color. May I know the name of the rose?
I used Graham Thomas to demonstrate the pollen collection and Abbaye de Cluny to demonstrate emasculation.
Can the bees make hybrids? I have roses that have changed from season to season. I'm new at roses.
Thanks Jane. No worries, but I think you're misunderstanding how genetics works in roses. The bees can transfer DNA in the pollen from one plant to another, but it will never modify the existing plant, only the seeds that are subsequently produced. If you have a color change in your roses, I have a video with some of the likely causes: ua-cam.com/video/bwrF1lISCKg/v-deo.html
What if the rose you used for the female doesn’t produce recognizable rose hips? How would you proceed at that point?
Not every rose bears hips equally well, and not every crossing is successful. Not much to do except try again with different parents.
hey do you know which david austin roses are fertile and corssable
No, I haven't done any breeding with them myself - best resource may be the rose hybridizer's forum
What if I create a hybrid of two registered varieties? Do I get burned at the stake or is that something that happens? Looking lean man, take care.
Thanks Brad. In almost every case, you can cross two registered varieties and the offspring will be free of restrictions (because it's genetically distinct from the parents). So that's good news!
The one crappy exception is where Star roses placed a different kind of patent on the very DNA of one of their roses ('Petite Knock Out' I think). You may have heard me defend some kinds of protection for breeders in the past as reasonable, but this is an unreasonable and unfair abuse of the plant breeding community, so I'll have nothing to do with that rose.
Would it not stratify them to just leave the hip on the plant through the cold season?
Hi Ashley. Good question. From my experience (and I've compared notes with other growers) no. It's like stratification is inhibited while the seeds are still in the hips. Once the hip drops into the soil and breaks down a bit, then the seeds are exposed and stratification begins, but up on the branch they won't germinate - which I guess is a good thing, since you don't want seedlings sprouting up in the air!
@@FraserValleyRoseFarm that makes sense. I guess lots of seeds have growth inhibitors for when they’re not in the right conditions to grow. Thanks for replying!
Can all varieties of roses be bred with each other?
Hi Carl. Some are more compatible with each other, and some are entirely sterile - so there's a bit of trial and error (and a rose hybridizer's forum where they share information about good and compatible parents). In general, most modern repeat blooming roses are more compatible with each other than with wild species roses.
Can we cross breed a rose using any other flower like other than a rose?
No. About the closest I've heard is when they cross-bred roses with hulthemia, but that's basically been reclassified as a rose (Rosa persica) now anyway.
Hi Jason I recently set up my green House and with the misting system. I have set my timer for 5sec after 15min but I have noticed that my cuttings dry out very quick as where I stay the weather is very hot and just spring , can I increase my time and by how much?
Yes, you can turn up the frequency for sure, but I can't actually tell you how much. In my area, it's usually fine to go with a short (7 or 8 second) cycle every 10 minutes at during the warmest weeks of the years, but that'll depend on your own growing conditions including temperature, shade and humidity.
Thanks so much for the reply will try that.
@@FraserValleyRoseFarm Hi Jason I I'm not winning with my rose cuttings they just rot from the base I have tried what you said on about the misting time to 8 sec every 20min but I'm failing I'm frustrated and get this right.
If I use a parent rose to be the mother or father of the new seedling that happens to still be under patent protection, I’m guessing I couldn’t patent the new seedling if I wanted to because either one or both of the parent roses would be protected from
Making new unique seedling from?
The parent patent does not generally apply to the offspring. There are a couple of weird exceptions to this, but in 99.99% of cases, you can hybridize from patented or non-patented parents, and the offspring is still considered yours.
If I ever find a hip I will try to germinate
I want. This in English 🤓
It's published in English - if you're getting dubbed audio it's changeable in the language settings
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I hope you are selling roses. It's good to sell to companies