I was on Mackinac Island when David Gurnee did his book signing. He wrote in my copy...To Betty - May you find your Richard Collier, Somewhere In Time...David Gurnee. I am beyond blessed to say, I did 🙏🏼
I hope so too, because a lot of us wonder what happened to Elise after Richard left her, because she lived many years before she encountered Richard again when she was an elderly lady.
Is it possible that Elise knew a younger William Fawcett Robinson after Richard Collier appeared and he loved her but she was in love with the memory of Richard and knew she would see him again in the future (after the first incursion). So she told the story of her and Richard to William Fawcett Robinson in the 1970's after many years of knowing the younger version of him that she met at the Grand Hotel. She told him about time travel and showed him the watch. In the original time line Elise purchased the watch for William but Richard obtained the watch from the museum and changed the inscription to read Elise and Richard. William Robinson purchased the attire of 1900's and attempted the same trip as Collier did(2nd incursion) but much earlier and to guide Elise as a mentor and manger preparing her to meet his younger self in the future and preventing her from engaging in a relationship with Collier. There are two time lines predicated on the choice Elise makes in the hotel. If she goes with William then he gives her the watch with alteration back to the original inscription and introduces her to his younger self (to restore the time line and end the loop) ; they fall in love and have a good life and retire in the Grand hotel leaving the watch in the museum. Richard Collier first incursion in time began when he visited the museum as a student then as an adult; he becomes infatuated with Elise's picture so he takes the watch from the display changes the inscription; he sees that the timeline is altered by his name in the hotel register (origin of the watch is Elise Robinson in original time line) and reads about time travel and returns to 1912 and meets her, eventually leaving her the watch (after seeing the penny and returning to his time) after convincing her that he is from the future and loves her and will marry her, following their intimacy. In this new time line Elise is alone because she chose to stay with Richard and thus creating the loop of time between her cross roads of staying with Richard Collier or going with William Robinson. I think the original timeline was Younger William Robinson meeting Elise and they became a couple lived a long life and passed away leaving the watch with the proper inscription in the museum. But the first incursion was by adult Richard and he changed the inscription went back in time and left her the watch unintentionally creating the loop. 2nd incursion was by older William Fawcett Robinson trying to restore the original timeline and end the loop created by Richard Collier choice to travel back in time. I would love to see the next part in the story revealing the third incursion and the attempt of younger William Robinson, being taught about the changes to their history with Elise; by the elder William Robinson who caused the 2nd incursion in time and the need to return to the past, to meet his younger self who goes to the Grand Hotel to challenge Richard for the love of Elise and restore the timeline and end the loop. In the end of the first movie; they can only be together in death ("Somewhere in Time") outside of the loop of time that they are trapped in; in life, forever. The next movie should revisit this loop and resolve it for the audience; so we can resolve the conundrum. The sequel should be called aptly enough; "Bid time return, for us". Hey, if "The Shining" got a sequel "Doctor Sleep"; why not "Somewhere in Time".
I have always wondered about the origen of the watch. It obviously was made in the early 20th century. However, I could never figure out at what point in time it ORIGINALLY gets into the story. Richard brings it to the past, but it was given to him by Elise in the future who obtained it from Richard when he was in the past. A true loop.
Near the beginning of the movie when Elise and Richard first meet, she says something to the effect of "Is it you?" which implies she was expecting Richard. I don't know whether it is just not properly explained in the movie or I overlooked something, but it is not clear what she is referring to. How is it that she was expecting someone she didn't know? Do you have any insight into this?
Memoirs of Elise is an absolute masterpiece. To me, it perfectly described the way Elise's life would have been for the next twenty-two years after Richard disappeared. It deeply touched my emotions almost as much as Somewhere in Time or the novel Bid Time Return. I would love for David Gurnee to write another book about Elise's life for the following thirty-eight years, up to when she at last attended Richard's first play and returned the watch to him. David Gurnee's novel "A Love of Time" is similar to Somewhere in Time, and is another highly enjoyable and emotional read. Gurnee's book "Collaboration" is excellent as well.
@@DreamLordGarsha I did like it. She explained how frightening it was when Richard disappeared from her, how it was like a tear in the very fabric of space-time itself. I also liked the way the Rachmaninov symphony figured prominently in that book too.
With time travel movies bad endings can always been overturned... I've not read the book but I will have to find a copy... It would be awesome if she wrote a letter telling someone and they returned to that same time and fixed it so he didn't find the coin... I know its a classic don't mess with it... Plus getting new cast would spoil it... ✨
You said, " It would be awesome if she wrote a letter telling someone and they returned to that same time and fixed it so he didn't find the coin..." Oooh, I had to respond to that. It's a great idea, she hires one of the college professor's ( he wrote the book on time travel) students to go back and take all the coins from Richard Colliers suit pockets. And it works, he stays in 1912 but it also brings back elise's manager to try to get her away from Richard Collier. I think it's genius but maybe as a book.
It would be an amazing story and it would give the fans a chance to see Richard and Elise together again. It would definitely be a must read book but I don't know if it should be a movie.
I could have sworn that I saw a part 2 of the movie where he went back in time again and stayed a bit longer before again finding something and going home...this time she knew what was going on. Maybe I dreamed it
I have this book, and it's not a "prequel" at all. It just tries to fill in the gap of how she figured out what happened to Richard and what she did with her life after he disappeared. It deals with the timeline and the characters of the film, NOT the original book (though it does borrow some details from it).
The Matheson estate wishes David Gurnee would just GO AWAY (my father-the original and ONLY writer of "Somewhere in Time" did NOT support Gurnee or his work in ANY WAY)
I understand why you feel that way, and I've read Gurnee's book and know that it's totally unauthorized. I simply take it as interesting fan-fiction, and I read it in that light.
The author Richard Matheson said that it's just his mistake. Originally, in the book there was no the scene that old Elise giving a watch to Richard. She gave to him in 1896. But when the movie was created, Matheson who also wrote the scipt had added the old woman scene and there came the Watch Paradox.
No offense, but the phrase "Filmed in it's entirety on Mackinaw Island" as stated by the announcer in this video at the beginning is simply not true. Yes, most of it was, but there were scenes filmed in Chicago and in a studio somewhere for some special effects. The idea that all of the film was done on Mackinaw Island is a common statement the public has passed down for decades now, sort of a secret wish by the public. All you have to do is watch the documentary that goes with the DVD, get it from the library and you will find out.
Hi Thomas...Thanks for the note. In the beginning narration we did mention that it was filmed "nearly in it's entirety" on the island. The beginning scenes were indeed filmed on location in Chicago. The sound stage located at Mission Point resort, seen on the video, is where many of the interior scenes were filmed including the final scene.
I'm disappointed that based on the screenshot of a page in the book, Elise was still with William. That is ridiculous and unacceptable to me. How could she possibly remain with him after what he had done to Richard? Surely he had told her what happened. For the past couple of days, I had been eager to read Memoirs of Elise. Not any more.
I've read it, and It does makes sense. She's still an actress, she needs a manager, she's confused about what happened to Richard (and how weird his disappearance was) and Robinson's there telling her she has to move past it, her mother is an ally of Robinson, she only knew Richard for 3 days, etc. I assumed even in Matheson's original novel that Robinson would continue to manage her after the incident and up until Robinson's death in 1915. She had many years of a brilliant career left, even after what happened.
@@peteg475 Not buying it. So what if she needed a manager? Robinson was hardly the ONLY manager in the whole world. It makes far more sense to think that she dumped him and found someone else.
@@robertromero8692 He was the top theater manager in the country, and he had enormous influence over her for many years. Robinson wasn't just a "guy". He was the only important male figure in her life, a surrogate father because her own father was absent. Richard Collier was gone, and he couldn't counter whatever powerful persuasion he used with her. He could simply say he was trying to protect her, and went a little too far, and had good motives. He didn't kill Richard, he just incapacitated him until the theater company could leave. Robinson had chased away many men from Elise for many years (men who might have legitimately had bad motives and been after her money), and she possibly expected Robinson might think the same of Collier this time. It wasn't Robinson's fault that Richard disappeared, she knew that, and she still didn't know what to make of it. I understand the impulse for her to never forgive Robinson, but real life is messy, and she had many years after without Richard. I can totally see her being angry, but not holding it against Robinson permanently. Elise took some time off from acting in a grievous depression after Richard disappeared, but Robinson convinced her to eventually resume her career. It was good for her, really.
@@peteg475 Still not buying it. Richard was the LOVE OF HER LIFE, whom she had an intense, undying longing for the REST OF HER DAYS, as we clearly saw at the beginning of the movie. Robinson's act in attempting to deprive her of that happiness was utterly unforgivable. It's ludicrous to think of her saying to Robinson "it's ok that you did that, we'll maintain our association". No. Who cares if he was the "top" manager? That hardly makes other managers who would treat her with the respect for her happiness she deserved unworthy of her. The very fact that she came back when she thought she had lost Richard (an act that Robinson would have OBVIOUSLY opposed) means she told him to get lost.
@@robertromero8692 We'll just have to agree to disagree. Richard was the love of her life - the man who changed everything. But he was permanently gone, and she had no expectation he would ever return. Robinson wasn't responsible for his disappearance. She can't blame him for that and she had decades to live after that. Robinson was, again, her surrogate father. Not just a manager. Robinson was the one who went to see her on her farm, told her to stop moping around and to do something with her life - she was wasting her talent being depressed about a man she only knew for 3 days. Like I said, he was right to get her to resume her career. It was unhealthy for her to do otherwise. That's how Robinson would have seen it. He had always protected her from men who were up to no good. I truly believe she would have made her peace with him, and not stay angry forever. I maintain Elise would have realized that Robinson had no real way of realizing (in time) that this particular man was different from all the other con-artists he protected her from. Robinson was the antagonist of the story, but he wasn't an evil man. Just mistaken about the situation and overreacting.
I was on Mackinac Island when David Gurnee did his book signing. He wrote in my copy...To Betty - May you find your Richard Collier, Somewhere In Time...David Gurnee. I am beyond blessed to say, I did 🙏🏼
It would be cool 😎 as a play too! The story does fascinate me👍👏 I hope he succeeds!!!
I hope so too, because a lot of us wonder what happened to Elise after Richard left her, because she lived many years before she encountered Richard again when she was an elderly lady.
I truly hope this, or a story about Elise in the 60 years after meeting Richard until she passes away, will become another film in depth. 😃😃
Is it possible that Elise knew a younger William Fawcett Robinson after Richard Collier appeared and he loved her but she was in love with the memory of Richard and knew she would see him again in the future (after the first incursion). So she told the story of her and Richard to William Fawcett Robinson in the 1970's after many years of knowing the younger version of him that she met at the Grand Hotel. She told him about time travel and showed him the watch. In the original time line Elise purchased the watch for William but Richard obtained the watch from the museum and changed the inscription to read Elise and Richard.
William Robinson purchased the attire of 1900's and attempted the same trip as Collier did(2nd incursion) but much earlier and to guide Elise as a mentor and manger preparing her to meet his younger self in the future and preventing her from engaging in a relationship with Collier. There are two time lines predicated on the choice Elise makes in the hotel. If she goes with William then he gives her the watch with alteration back to the original inscription and introduces her to his younger self (to restore the time line and end the loop) ; they fall in love and have a good life and retire in the Grand hotel leaving the watch in the museum.
Richard Collier first incursion in time began when he visited the museum as a student then as an adult; he becomes infatuated with Elise's picture so he takes the watch from the display changes the inscription; he sees that the timeline is altered by his name in the hotel register (origin of the watch is Elise Robinson in original time line) and reads about time travel and returns to 1912 and meets her, eventually leaving her the watch (after seeing the penny and returning to his time) after convincing her that he is from the future and loves her and will marry her, following their intimacy. In this new time line Elise is alone because she chose to stay with Richard and thus creating the loop of time between her cross roads of staying with Richard Collier or going with William Robinson.
I think the original timeline was Younger William Robinson meeting Elise and they became a couple lived a long life and passed away leaving the watch with the proper inscription in the museum. But the first incursion was by adult Richard and he changed the inscription went back in time and left her the watch unintentionally creating the loop. 2nd incursion was by older William Fawcett Robinson trying to restore the original timeline and end the loop created by Richard Collier choice to travel back in time.
I would love to see the next part in the story revealing the third incursion and the attempt of younger William Robinson, being taught about the changes to their history with Elise; by the elder William Robinson who caused the 2nd incursion in time and the need to return to the past, to meet his younger self who goes to the Grand Hotel to challenge Richard for the love of Elise and restore the timeline and end the loop. In the end of the first movie; they can only be together in death ("Somewhere in Time") outside of the loop of time that they are trapped in; in life, forever. The next movie should revisit this loop and resolve it for the audience; so we can resolve the conundrum. The sequel should be called aptly enough; "Bid time return, for us". Hey, if "The Shining" got a sequel "Doctor Sleep"; why not "Somewhere in Time".
I have always wondered about the origen of the watch. It obviously was made in the early 20th century. However, I could never figure out at what point in time it ORIGINALLY gets into the story. Richard brings it to the past, but it was given to him by Elise in the future who obtained it from Richard when he was in the past. A true loop.
Near the beginning of the movie when Elise and Richard first meet, she says something to the effect of "Is it you?" which implies she was expecting Richard. I don't know whether it is just not properly explained in the movie or I overlooked something, but it is not clear what she is referring to. How is it that she was expecting someone she didn't know? Do you have any insight into this?
@@valentinr.dominguez2892 yes, but in the book Bid Time Return, the origin of the watch is explained.
@@nancyhey1012 Tell me, tell me, please tell me. :)
@@valentinr.dominguez2892 Elise buys the watch for a gift to Richard at a jewelry store in her time period.
Memoirs of Elise is an absolute masterpiece. To me, it perfectly described the way Elise's life would have been for the next twenty-two years after Richard disappeared. It deeply touched my emotions almost as much as Somewhere in Time or the novel Bid Time Return. I would love for David Gurnee to write another book about Elise's life for the following thirty-eight years, up to when she at last attended Richard's first play and returned the watch to him. David Gurnee's novel "A Love of Time" is similar to Somewhere in Time, and is another highly enjoyable and emotional read. Gurnee's book "Collaboration" is excellent as well.
I just recently read Memoirs of Elise.
@@nancyhey1012 How did you like it?
@@DreamLordGarsha I did like it. She explained how frightening it was when Richard disappeared from her, how it was like a tear in the very fabric of space-time itself. I also liked the way the Rachmaninov symphony figured prominently in that book too.
With time travel movies bad endings can always been overturned...
I've not read the book but I will have to find a copy...
It would be awesome if she wrote a letter telling someone and they returned to that same time and fixed it so he didn't find the coin...
I know its a classic don't mess with it... Plus getting new cast would spoil it... ✨
You said, " It would be awesome if she wrote a letter telling someone and they returned to that same time and fixed it so he didn't find the coin..."
Oooh, I had to respond to that.
It's a great idea, she hires one of the college professor's ( he wrote the book on time travel) students to go back and take all the coins from Richard Colliers suit pockets. And it works, he stays in 1912 but it also brings back elise's manager to try to get her away from Richard Collier.
I think it's genius but maybe as a book.
It would be an amazing story and it would give the fans a chance to see Richard and Elise together again. It would definitely be a must read book but I don't know if it should be a movie.
Just leave love alone.......it doesn't need watering. x
Love this movie! Was the prequel ever made?
Que filme maravilhoso💖💕
Lugar lindo, musica espetacular🤩🤟
I could have sworn that I saw a part 2 of the movie where he went back in time again and stayed a bit longer before again finding something and going home...this time she knew what was going on. Maybe I dreamed it
I dearly wish that I could see that movie. There are a lot of unusual and often very good independent films. Do you remember the name of it?
Did not older Elise say to the young Richard? Come back to me, not Come back with me.
I have this book, and it's not a "prequel" at all. It just tries to fill in the gap of how she figured out what happened to Richard and what she did with her life after he disappeared. It deals with the timeline and the characters of the film, NOT the original book (though it does borrow some details from it).
The Matheson estate wishes David Gurnee would just GO AWAY (my father-the original and ONLY writer of "Somewhere in Time" did NOT support Gurnee or his work in ANY WAY)
I understand why you feel that way, and I've read Gurnee's book and know that it's totally unauthorized. I simply take it as interesting fan-fiction, and I read it in that light.
😎 cool
Be interested to hear what Jane Seymour would say. Has she made any comments or shown any interest?
I can’t find the “prequel” anywhere, it is out of stock at every source I search.
I always thought he left the 1979 penny behind.
Vince Govianni It came back with him. He drops it out of his hand when he returns back to present time. It's so sad..,
I have the book.
I cannot find this book. Gurnee's A Love of Time is easy to find and inexpensive.
The book is called Bid Time Goodbye (or Farewell).
It is actually Bid Time Return.
Tom welling and Emma Watson for the next movie.
his watch that he gave to her which she gave to him paradox ?
Yes! ua-cam.com/video/Pp5VjZ3uhMc/v-deo.html
The author Richard Matheson said that it's just his mistake. Originally, in the book there was no the scene that old Elise giving a watch to Richard. She gave to him in 1896. But when the movie was created, Matheson who also wrote the scipt had added the old woman scene and there came the Watch Paradox.
No offense, but the phrase "Filmed in it's entirety on Mackinaw Island" as stated by the announcer in this video at the beginning is simply not true. Yes, most of it was, but there were scenes filmed in Chicago and in a studio somewhere for some special effects. The idea that all of the film was done on Mackinaw Island is a common statement the public has passed down for decades now, sort of a secret wish by the public. All you have to do is watch the documentary that goes with the DVD, get it from the library and you will find out.
Hi Thomas...Thanks for the note. In the beginning narration we did mention that it was filmed "nearly in it's entirety" on the island. The beginning scenes were indeed filmed on location in Chicago. The sound stage located at Mission Point resort, seen on the video, is where many of the interior scenes were filmed including the final scene.
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I'm disappointed that based on the screenshot of a page in the book, Elise was still with William. That is ridiculous and unacceptable to me. How could she possibly remain with him after what he had done to Richard? Surely he had told her what happened. For the past couple of days, I had been eager to read Memoirs of Elise. Not any more.
I've read it, and It does makes sense. She's still an actress, she needs a manager, she's confused about what happened to Richard (and how weird his disappearance was) and Robinson's there telling her she has to move past it, her mother is an ally of Robinson, she only knew Richard for 3 days, etc. I assumed even in Matheson's original novel that Robinson would continue to manage her after the incident and up until Robinson's death in 1915. She had many years of a brilliant career left, even after what happened.
@@peteg475 Not buying it. So what if she needed a manager? Robinson was hardly the ONLY manager in the whole world. It makes far more sense to think that she dumped him and found someone else.
@@robertromero8692 He was the top theater manager in the country, and he had enormous influence over her for many years. Robinson wasn't just a "guy". He was the only important male figure in her life, a surrogate father because her own father was absent. Richard Collier was gone, and he couldn't counter whatever powerful persuasion he used with her. He could simply say he was trying to protect her, and went a little too far, and had good motives. He didn't kill Richard, he just incapacitated him until the theater company could leave. Robinson had chased away many men from Elise for many years (men who might have legitimately had bad motives and been after her money), and she possibly expected Robinson might think the same of Collier this time. It wasn't Robinson's fault that Richard disappeared, she knew that, and she still didn't know what to make of it. I understand the impulse for her to never forgive Robinson, but real life is messy, and she had many years after without Richard. I can totally see her being angry, but not holding it against Robinson permanently. Elise took some time off from acting in a grievous depression after Richard disappeared, but Robinson convinced her to eventually resume her career. It was good for her, really.
@@peteg475 Still not buying it. Richard was the LOVE OF HER LIFE, whom she had an intense, undying longing for the REST OF HER DAYS, as we clearly saw at the beginning of the movie. Robinson's act in attempting to deprive her of that happiness was utterly unforgivable. It's ludicrous to think of her saying to Robinson "it's ok that you did that, we'll maintain our association". No. Who cares if he was the "top" manager? That hardly makes other managers who would treat her with the respect for her happiness she deserved unworthy of her. The very fact that she came back when she thought she had lost Richard (an act that Robinson would have OBVIOUSLY opposed) means she told him to get lost.
@@robertromero8692 We'll just have to agree to disagree. Richard was the love of her life - the man who changed everything. But he was permanently gone, and she had no expectation he would ever return. Robinson wasn't responsible for his disappearance. She can't blame him for that and she had decades to live after that. Robinson was, again, her surrogate father. Not just a manager. Robinson was the one who went to see her on her farm, told her to stop moping around and to do something with her life - she was wasting her talent being depressed about a man she only knew for 3 days. Like I said, he was right to get her to resume her career. It was unhealthy for her to do otherwise. That's how Robinson would have seen it. He had always protected her from men who were up to no good. I truly believe she would have made her peace with him, and not stay angry forever. I maintain Elise would have realized that Robinson had no real way of realizing (in time) that this particular man was different from all the other con-artists he protected her from. Robinson was the antagonist of the story, but he wasn't an evil man. Just mistaken about the situation and overreacting.