As an Islander fan I remember the Oilers with Messier and agree he's an Oiler first and foremost. Ranger fans only have that one cup in 80 years and that's why his Ranger time is so popular.
@@veritasinvicta8128 Aww, poor Islanders fan. Mad because nobody of consequence wants to go play for your team? How many top free agents have they missed out on in the last 10 years? How many are they going to miss out on in the next 10 years? lol
He's an Oiler, but he's also just as much a Ranger if not more so. He won more cups in Edmonton, and yes he was born there, but in New York he was WORSHIPED. In Edmonton, Gretzky always reigned supreme and still does to this day. Yes, they love Messier, but in New York Messier was THE MAN! Even when Gretzky came later to NY, Messier was still Numero Uno!
@@veritasinvicta8128 The biggest and most important Cup in Messier's career came in New York, not Edmonton. His most famous moment came in New York (The Guarantee). Messier also won the Hart Trophy his very first season in New York as league MVP. He was THE MAN in New York, but never in Edmonton. That's why he's more a Ranger than an Oiler despite all his accomplishments there.
Brian Leetch Mark Messier will always be an Edmontonian, born and raised in Edmonton. He is a native son of Edmonton. Wayne Gretzky is our adopted son. Mark Messier was drafted by the Oilers, he won a Conn Smythe Trophy as an Oiler, he won a Hart and Lester B. Pearson award as an Oiler. He captained our Oilers to a Stanley Cup in 1990 without Gretzky. He is an Edmontonian, and an Oiler.
Of all the clips of captains receiving the cup from the commissioner, none stands out more to me than Messier in 94, with him shaking with excitement ( this after already winning the cup 5 freaking times )
One of the best all time players in the NHL. He was a great captain. His was the 4th jersey that was placed in the rafters at MSG. A great tribute. First cup in 54 years.
Despite any controversy, despite the bumps in the road, absolutely my favourite player of that era. I followed him from the Oilers and all their cop runs, through New York to Vancouver and back to New York. And that’s saying a lot, given Gretzky, but Messier was always my guy. Tough as nails, scored a lot of points, a real Iron Man. Absolute legend. His career, as I would put it, is more than pretty good. Thanks for this look back, definitely a nostalgia trip for me. I was an Oilers fan in the 80s, even got to see them play at Maple leaf Gardens in Toronto Mid-80s and that was incredible to see all those guys on the ice at once. I remember going down to the ramp where the players left the ice, and being right there when all the Oilers went past, and it is burned into my memory how awesome it was that they were all right there. Messier, Gretzky, Coffey, Anderson, Kurri, Fuhr...
I could see Marleau beating all time games (44 behind Howe regular season, 78 behind Messier overall) as if Pittsburgh get into the playoffs itself and those games count the target is so much closer for him, all he has to do is play one more year. Besides him theres maybe Kessel but thats it as the games played record is almost untouchable nowadays with the younger-leaning NHL game of speed and finesse
I was born June 13th 1979. I am a Edmonton oilers fan and a sabres fan since I am from Buffalo. My older brother was looked at in 1979 while playing high School and junior hockey. Fast forward two years. I was two years old and he almost went into the NHL draft. Buffalo and Toronto maple leafs were looking at him. Because we have family in Toronto and at that time story goes we had family working for the maple leafs. 1984 I start playing hockey and my older brother was my skating coach and he would sit behind the bench at my games when he wasn't playing or practicing with his team. Probably for at least ten year's he regretted not going into the draft. It was even hard for him to talk about. He's a defenseman and I am a left winger. Greatest coach I ever had. We still watch the greatest sport of all time.
One of the best things being a Sabres fan ever got me was tickets to a hockey game from a sales rep that I purchased a lot of material from at a job I worked at the time. The company had season box seats at the Garden and he got four of them for me for a Sabres/Rangers game in 2004. It was the next to the last game of the year and the last home game for the Rangers, Messier wanted to retire at the Garden and would not be playing the last game of the season in Washington...so being a Sabres fan is why I saw Messier's last game. Bonus: the Sabres won! We had a great time with some good natured trash talking with the Rangers fans also, very friendly people overall, a great experience. Extra bonus: wings and beer at the Blarney afterward.
I was 7 years old when i watched the best playoffs in hockey in my opinion 1994. Messier wasnt really my favorite though. I liked brian leetch and mike Richter alot more. But thanks for the experience and great games messier your one of the greats. Vancouver vs rangers great games to watch.
Probably forgotten by many, but I vividly recall the 2002-03 Rangers coming to GM Place with both Messier and Bure and both were booed loudly whenever they touched the puck.
Mark Messier and Pavel Bure were the Canucks’ top two stars in the only season they played together for Vancouver (97-98) before Bure held out and got traded to Florida, and Messier had arm issues. Mike Keenan was right to get rid of the Trevor Linden clique, composed of Linden, Gino Odjick, Kirk McLean, Dave Babych, Jyrki Lumme and Martin Gelinas.
It's interesting that you described Messier's career as solid. I personally think he has had one of the top 3 hockey careers of all time. He has been the winningest player since he came into the league, had a lot of individual success, and is considered a legend in the game. Only a handful of players are in the best career conversation, and that includes Mess, Gretz, Lemieux, Sid, Howe, and Orr
I just saw a few of your other videos and learned more about you. You're a Canucks fan, no wonder you don't like Mark Messier. You're also a Bruins fan, and you didn't like that Messier's Oilers beat Boston in 90. For someone as knowledgeable as you to say that Mark Messier only had a solid career, that really shows you have something against him. I'm not mad, just pointing out my observation.
Its funny you mention that you thought you already made a messier career video. I didn't watch this right away because I thought it had to be an old video that randomly popped up.
The other Vancouver issue was the #11, It was not issued because of Wayne Maki and when he came to Vancouver, he and the team didn't show Maki's family any respect. He started with Vancouver on the wrong foot for several reasons.
pure villain....11 jersey of the late Wayne Maki; Taking the captain's C from Trevor Linden; Getting Pat Quinn fired; Getting Mike Keenan hired, a solid playoff calibre team blows up as a result and to make matters worse a grievance against the Canucks in 2012 demanding more money for his time in Vancouver.... pathetic
I still remember as a kid those oh-so-90s commercials on CTV when the Canucks signed Mark. Imagine purple neon triangle, circles, and squares and a 5 packs per day smoker announcing "MESSIER!! MESSIER!!" over and over as a rotoscoped Mark Messier pretends to skate fast.
If you get the chance to get to the career of Ken Dryden, (couldn't find it in your career playlist) i'd love to see that. You know, june 28th, 56 years ago, he was drafted by Boston then traded to Montreal. And he won a cup and a conn smythe 1 year before winning the calder. Would love more details on his career.
Considering how he's the third all-time in points, I'm surprised he didn't tally more 100+ seasons which speaks to how well-rounded his point distribution was. That being said, Mess could've probably played two or three more seasons.
I uniquely a fan of all the teams he played for and this helps to make him my all time favorite player. But Admittedly the time he spent with the Canucks I could easily omit from memory.
I remember the New York Times headline ....The Moose is loose on Broadway. My favorite player of all time. This from a Leaf fan still waiting for our next cup.
Trivia: That 50-goal season came with the Finnish Matti Hagman as his centre. He was pretty darn skilled, might have been the top line centre if not for... you know! (Actually, please correct me if I'm wrong, I read this in a book. Is of course likely that they changed the lines around quite a lot back then...)
Roy (MTL) Yzerman (DET) Gilmour (NJD) Messier (EDM) ... Only NHL jerseys I've Owned not Leafs...The call out, guaranteeing victory in the finals, and winning. EPIC
@chefrah54 You said you were done with this channel. You lied. In what way did I defend myself? You understand this video generated revenue for me right? The two videos have a combined 50,000 views so far. I am not sure you should take a victory lap on this.
You're as clueless as Homer in the casino episode where Marge is gambling and he is still telling her she was against gambling and hates it. Enjoy being Homer.
I wouldn't say things "fell apart" for the Rangers after '94. They made it to the Conference finals in 97 and made it to the 2nd round the two years before that. Below expectations I guess but not disastrous.
Nice montage of The Moose Next one should be Jason Allison: Overlooked and Underrated Other one's in the mix: Eric Daze, Steve Chiasson, Anson Carter, Greg Hawgood, Anton Stastny, Jonathan Cheechoo, Bryan Berard, Marc Savard, Joffrey Lupul, Al Iafrate
@@amazinmets8439 yep. Better for Mark Messier to be remembered as a New York Ranger than an Edmonton Oiler, that way he has a separate identity from Wayne Gretzky. Gretzky is more remembered as an Oiler.
For me, the worst of Messier was his cheap shot on Linden in Game 6. That's not how winners play. Trevor scored twice in Game 7 and played like a winner. I'll leave it at that.
missed the playoffs for his last 7 years. signed in vancouver and immediately wrecked everything. canucks made it back in immediately after he left. messier was an ass and his leadership abilities are vastly overrated. with the talent on that 94 team, the rangers should have won the cup. 90 you may have an argument for. but i'll take the classy leadership of a sakic or yzerman ahead of the ego-driven messier any day.
Messier had a ton of millage his last 7 years from...you know...winning cups. Something Yzerman didn't do until late in his career. Yzerman was almost run out of Detroit and now he's a great leader lol.
The most overrated player in History who benefitted from the talent around him. As for dirtiest player? Legendary butt-end at the face-off dot. Yzerman carried The Dead Things on his own until the 90s when the Russians arrived and sacrificed offensive stats for Cups. The ocean if difference is in plain sight, but we keep pretending Mr. Potato Chip is a Hockey God. Let's not forget his time in Vancouver either. The Messier Myth.
@@amazinmets8439 Yes, an iconic figure, but Manhattan isn't Canada and among rangers fans he's loved, the only thing is that he was second fiddle in Edmonton, he was the Rangers leader.
Messier led Edmonton to a cup after Gretzky, he also led NYR to a cup before Gretzky. I can see a cupless career for Gretzky without Messier. Another reason my #1 all-timer is Hasek.
@immetal1 I'm aware of team dynamics, but this is long before the roster made millions a piece, and there were no Salary Caps. That Edmonton Team doesn't exist. The Rangers out-spent everyone not named Detroit. Messier is a product of his teams, not his own ability. He carried nothing but his own ego.
@immetal1 Vancouver would say he stole a Dead Man's number, got their beloved Captain Traded, Coach Fired, and then came after them for more money. All hallmarks of being the Greatest Leader ever, right? It's the false narrative that a dorty player on stacked teams is somehow a legend - who hasn't had a hockey job since retiring. Beliveau and Yzerman set standards for Leadership and class, yet Messier is idolized like he is the reason for his teams' successes. He's good at selling chips and cable subscriptions, though.
Canuck fans will never get over this, until they perhaps win a Cup. But moving on... Messier, I think, was the real Michael Jordan of hockey. His style of play, getting involved in all aspects of the game, imposing his will on the ice, on his team, and on his opponents, it was more of a Jordan-esque style of play. Does this make him the GOAT of hockey over Gretzky? Well, that depends on how you measure greatness. Gretzky's real greatness was in making his whole team better, not doing everything better than everyone. And in spite of his selfless nature, he outscores everyone, and wins over the respect of the whole league, right down to his opponents. Messier's greatness in imposing his will on the whole game, but in doing so he comes across as selfish, particularly when he didn't win. And when he did that in Vancouver, well, it is like Michael Jordan going to the Indiana Pacers, and sinking them to the league basement. That cast a huge strike against him, a strike Gretzky never had.
Crazy that you got a career video of Messier in a video that's only 15 minutes long. Hats off to you good sir!
If Messier were to make it himself, it would have been at least 5 hours long, because that's how much that prick loves himself. :-) + :-(
You'd need 15 minutes just to cover his rat plays and suspensions. Just a terrible exemplar. Not a "great leader" at all.
Mark Messier was born in Edmonton, he is a son of Edmonton. Once an Oiler, always an Oiler. Five Stanley Cups as an Oiler. Let’s Go Oilers!
As an Islander fan I remember the Oilers with Messier and agree he's an Oiler first and foremost. Ranger fans only have that one cup in 80 years and that's why his Ranger time is so popular.
@@veritasinvicta8128 Aww, poor Islanders fan. Mad because nobody of consequence wants to go play for your team? How many top free agents have they missed out on in the last 10 years? How many are they going to miss out on in the next 10 years?
lol
He's an Oiler, but he's also just as much a Ranger if not more so. He won more cups in Edmonton, and yes he was born there, but in New York he was WORSHIPED. In Edmonton, Gretzky always reigned supreme and still does to this day. Yes, they love Messier, but in New York Messier was THE MAN! Even when Gretzky came later to NY, Messier was still Numero Uno!
@@veritasinvicta8128 The biggest and most important Cup in Messier's career came in New York, not Edmonton. His most famous moment came in New York (The Guarantee). Messier also won the Hart Trophy his very first season in New York as league MVP. He was THE MAN in New York, but never in Edmonton. That's why he's more a Ranger than an Oiler despite all his accomplishments there.
Brian Leetch Mark Messier will always be an Edmontonian, born and raised in Edmonton. He is a native son of Edmonton. Wayne Gretzky is our adopted son. Mark Messier was drafted by the Oilers, he won a Conn Smythe Trophy as an Oiler, he won a Hart and Lester B. Pearson award as an Oiler. He captained our Oilers to a Stanley Cup in 1990 without Gretzky. He is an Edmontonian, and an Oiler.
By far my favorite youtuber. Love how unbiased you are in such a hardcore fan loving sport
Of all the clips of captains receiving the cup from the commissioner, none stands out more to me than Messier in 94, with him shaking with excitement ( this after already winning the cup 5 freaking times )
One of the best all time players in the NHL. He was a great captain. His was the 4th jersey that was placed in the rafters at MSG. A great tribute. First cup in 54 years.
The Canuck legend himself.
*Runs from Vancouver fans*
If I take a trip to Canada, think I'll avoid going there. Pretty... rioty.
@@Painkiller-1997 As opposed to?
He was statistically the MVP for them in 99-00.
Despite any controversy, despite the bumps in the road, absolutely my favourite player of that era. I followed him from the Oilers and all their cop runs, through New York to Vancouver and back to New York. And that’s saying a lot, given Gretzky, but Messier was always my guy. Tough as nails, scored a lot of points, a real Iron Man. Absolute legend. His career, as I would put it, is more than pretty good. Thanks for this look back, definitely a nostalgia trip for me. I was an Oilers fan in the 80s, even got to see them play at Maple leaf Gardens in Toronto Mid-80s and that was incredible to see all those guys on the ice at once. I remember going down to the ramp where the players left the ice, and being right there when all the Oilers went past, and it is burned into my memory how awesome it was that they were all right there. Messier, Gretzky, Coffey, Anderson, Kurri, Fuhr...
Mark Messier is a living Hockey God to Ranger fans forever.
Won The Stanley cup on my birthday, June 14, 1994. What a birthday present for let's go rangers😊
I could see Marleau beating all time games (44 behind Howe regular season, 78 behind Messier overall) as if Pittsburgh get into the playoffs itself and those games count the target is so much closer for him, all he has to do is play one more year. Besides him theres maybe Kessel but thats it as the games played record is almost untouchable nowadays with the younger-leaning NHL game of speed and finesse
I told Mess I wouldn’t do this
I was born June 13th 1979. I am a Edmonton oilers fan and a sabres fan since I am from Buffalo. My older brother was looked at in 1979 while playing high School and junior hockey. Fast forward two years. I was two years old and he almost went into the NHL draft. Buffalo and Toronto maple leafs were looking at him. Because we have family in Toronto and at that time story goes we had family working for the maple leafs. 1984 I start playing hockey and my older brother was my skating coach and he would sit behind the bench at my games when he wasn't playing or practicing with his team. Probably for at least ten year's he regretted not going into the draft. It was even hard for him to talk about. He's a defenseman and I am a left winger. Greatest coach I ever had. We still watch the greatest sport of all time.
I was born June 14th, 1994 with the Stanley Cup Finals playing in the delivery room as Messier was lifting the cup. Grew up with hockey in my blood. 💙
One of the best things being a Sabres fan ever got me was tickets to a hockey game from a sales rep that I purchased a lot of material from at a job I worked at the time. The company had season box seats at the Garden and he got four of them for me for a Sabres/Rangers game in 2004. It was the next to the last game of the year and the last home game for the Rangers, Messier wanted to retire at the Garden and would not be playing the last game of the season in Washington...so being a Sabres fan is why I saw Messier's last game. Bonus: the Sabres won! We had a great time with some good natured trash talking with the Rangers fans also, very friendly people overall, a great experience. Extra bonus: wings and beer at the Blarney afterward.
THG: "Canucks fans should be over it by now..."
Cabucks Fans: So you have chosen death...
Shannon is a Canucks fan.
@@djgatorshark9002 excommunicated from the church and a public lynching.
are you guys really still mad?
I was 7 years old when i watched the best playoffs in hockey in my opinion 1994. Messier wasnt really my favorite though. I liked brian leetch and mike Richter alot more. But thanks for the experience and great games messier your one of the greats. Vancouver vs rangers great games to watch.
Probably forgotten by many, but I vividly recall the 2002-03 Rangers coming to GM Place with both Messier and Bure and both were booed loudly whenever they touched the puck.
Mark Messier and Pavel Bure were the Canucks’ top two stars in the only season they played together for Vancouver (97-98) before Bure held out and got traded to Florida, and Messier had arm issues. Mike Keenan was right to get rid of the Trevor Linden clique, composed of Linden, Gino Odjick, Kirk McLean, Dave Babych, Jyrki Lumme and Martin Gelinas.
It's interesting that you described Messier's career as solid. I personally think he has had one of the top 3 hockey careers of all time. He has been the winningest player since he came into the league, had a lot of individual success, and is considered a legend in the game.
Only a handful of players are in the best career conversation, and that includes Mess, Gretz, Lemieux, Sid, Howe, and Orr
I just saw a few of your other videos and learned more about you. You're a Canucks fan, no wonder you don't like Mark Messier. You're also a Bruins fan, and you didn't like that Messier's Oilers beat Boston in 90. For someone as knowledgeable as you to say that Mark Messier only had a solid career, that really shows you have something against him. I'm not mad, just pointing out my observation.
I need more career videos hockey guy. Love it
Can you do Jagr with his NHL and international career which is still going?
Its funny you mention that you thought you already made a messier career video. I didn't watch this right away because I thought it had to be an old video that randomly popped up.
The other Vancouver issue was the #11, It was not issued because of Wayne Maki and when he came to Vancouver, he and the team didn't show Maki's family any respect. He started with Vancouver on the wrong foot for several reasons.
You haven't a career video on Gordie Howe.
Ahhh yes the Canuck legend definitely played his best years as a Canuck
pure villain....11 jersey of the late Wayne Maki; Taking the captain's C from Trevor Linden; Getting Pat Quinn fired; Getting Mike Keenan hired, a solid playoff calibre team blows up as a result and to make matters worse a grievance against the Canucks in 2012 demanding more money for his time in Vancouver.... pathetic
I still remember as a kid those oh-so-90s commercials on CTV when the Canucks signed Mark. Imagine purple neon triangle, circles, and squares and a 5 packs per day smoker announcing "MESSIER!! MESSIER!!" over and over as a rotoscoped Mark Messier pretends to skate fast.
If you get the chance to get to the career of Ken Dryden, (couldn't find it in your career playlist) i'd love to see that. You know, june 28th, 56 years ago, he was drafted by Boston then traded to Montreal. And he won a cup and a conn smythe 1 year before winning the calder. Would love more details on his career.
You know Dryden wrote an entire book, right? And it's pretty good, too.
Considering how he's the third all-time in points, I'm surprised he didn't tally more 100+ seasons which speaks to how well-rounded his point distribution was. That being said, Mess could've probably played two or three more seasons.
I uniquely a fan of all the teams he played for and this helps to make him my all time favorite player. But Admittedly the time he spent with the Canucks I could easily omit from memory.
I remember the New York Times headline ....The Moose is loose on Broadway. My favorite player of all time. This from a Leaf fan still waiting for our next cup.
You’ll get that next cup soon
if you havnt already could you do a career video on Pavel Datsuyk?
I could have sworn you did a career video on him.
Trivia: That 50-goal season came with the Finnish Matti Hagman as his centre. He was pretty darn skilled, might have been the top line centre if not for... you know! (Actually, please correct me if I'm wrong, I read this in a book. Is of course likely that they changed the lines around quite a lot back then...)
Ye the Vancouver thing didnt work out ye?
I love to see you do one on Rick vaive, career
I thought he did a few years ago but I could be mistaken.
I would definitely say he’s remembered as a ranger
I'd say he's remembered as both an Oiler and a Ranger
i remember him as an asshole.
@krav You obviously didn't grow up watching the Smythe Divsion.
What about Brendan Shanahan?
Gretzky and Messier as your top two centers. That's just not fair.
So he was runner up for the hart but didn’t make a 1st team or 2nd team?
Most of the games I saw him play, he played for New York. Man, he player so long with the oilers.
I loved mark. Strong leader. Throughly hated in Philly. I cheered for him tho. His wrist shot was butter.
Could Patrick Marleau pass that games played mark?
he's the threat now. depends how much longer he wants to play.
@@doaftheloaf If there's a full season next year and he plays, he'll break it.
Stingers road jersey was too similar to the Bruins. Safe to assume they would have demanded that Cincinnati rebrand had they joined the NHL.
Should do one on selanne's career
Roy (MTL) Yzerman (DET) Gilmour (NJD) Messier (EDM) ... Only NHL jerseys I've Owned not Leafs...The call out, guaranteeing victory in the finals, and winning. EPIC
Get a Messier Rangers jersey if you like him. He meant more to NY.
Do a john scott video
I’m wearing the Canuck gradient jersey right now, did not plan this!!
Patrick Marleau could reach 1,992 combined games, he's at 1,914 games at the moment (1,723 in the regular season and another 191 in the playoffs).
The Rangers let Messier walk because they thought they were getting Sakic.
Right, and they had 99 and LaFontaine as well. It was poorly handled by the Rangers.
The Hockey Guy you are such a Ranger hatter unsubscribe. Jk
@chefrah54 You said you were done with this channel. You lied. In what way did I defend myself? You understand this video generated revenue for me right? The two videos have a combined 50,000 views so far. I am not sure you should take a victory lap on this.
.... I let go of 1994 years ago. It is a shame you haven't.
You're as clueless as Homer in the casino episode where Marge is gambling and he is still telling her she was against gambling and hates it. Enjoy being Homer.
I dislike Messier.
But I do enjoy your videos. All of them.
Keep up the great work Shannon.
Top 12 offensive players in my opinion.
Gretzky
Lemieux
Howe
Messier
Crosby
Ovechkin
Lafleur
Esposito
Yzerman
Richard
Bossy
Jagr
Detailed and entertaining
I'm watching this on the night that Patty Marleau's passing Howe for career GP. Which tbh is pretty wild.
"Iron" Mike Keenan and Don Cherry's omissions to the Hockey Hall of Fame are offensive! The Selection Committee must be fired!
I wouldn't say things "fell apart" for the Rangers after '94. They made it to the Conference finals in 97 and made it to the 2nd round the two years before that. Below expectations I guess but not disastrous.
Yeah seriously, I really hate the exaggeration. You could say any team "fell apart" if they don't repeat as Champions, and most don't.
he was always king of throwing elbows
Great video.
Mark Messier in my eyes way a humble hockey player.
Yea his superstition was the C. Wanted Lindros to give it up for 98 Olympics. Hockey Canada said no deal, Mark stayed home
"Leader"...
MY IDOL AND A HERO
What did Messier do his first year that would’ve made social media?
Nice montage of The Moose
Next one should be Jason Allison: Overlooked and Underrated
Other one's in the mix: Eric Daze, Steve Chiasson, Anson Carter, Greg Hawgood, Anton Stastny, Jonathan Cheechoo, Bryan Berard, Marc Savard, Joffrey Lupul, Al Iafrate
You're "rocking" that Rangers hat and shirt. Sorry, not sorry, for 1994
Good stuff.
If you've never read The Game of Our Lives by Peter Gzowski, there are some pretty interesting Messier stories in there.
Underrated
Mark Messier was amazing. Canucks wish they had him longer.
*Braces for Impact*
His heart was always in New York.
He'll be remembered more as Ranger despite the cup wins in Edmonton.
@@amazinmets8439 yep. Better for Mark Messier to be remembered as a New York Ranger than an Edmonton Oiler, that way he has a separate identity from Wayne Gretzky. Gretzky is more remembered as an Oiler.
I thought you'd already done a video on his career, too. Mandela Effect?
Joe Thornton I believe is close to GP record
Marleau is set to break the Games Played record next year.
Mark loved hockey
Lol just watched this video I’m impressed
Messier is worthy of this madness board
Rangers bought the cup in 94
It was basically the Oilers 6th Cup as the Rangers were Edmonton East.
@@thecommish1976 And the Kings were Edmonton West, although they failed to win the Cup in their 1993 run.
Patty marleau will become 1st on the all time games played list
HEY CONNOR... IT'S THE MOOSE!
The jist of if it, is people are where they need to be...people don't have a "mark messier" award
How many hockey players were name checked on Seinfeld?
As a canucks fan....another painful video
Messier was a living God. Signed M Messier.
This is very ironic based on the comment section in the last video LOL
Troll me? I make a video disproving the theory. I am 100% over 1994.
Fair point my dude
Wait so did you have this video prepared or did you just make this list after the news of the day video and you read the comments of that video?
Yeah I saw that guy's comment. Very unreasonable.
Jaromir Jagr next?
His career would need to end to summarize it
Scott Stevens next plz
fav defenseman ever!
That guy is a scumbag.
I totally thought you did one on Mess already. Mandela effect? 🤷🏼♂️
Montreal beat Calgary to win the Cup in 1986.
The King's beat the Oilers in the very first round they met.kings won.lotta people forget that one.
Not really over it.
For me, the worst of Messier was his cheap shot on Linden in Game 6. That's not how winners play. Trevor scored twice in Game 7 and played like a winner. I'll leave it at that.
Messier was a winner. Sometimes winning ain't pretty. You do what you have to
One of the greats. Proved to be a better captain and leader then Gretzky
WTF?!!! :-O
missed the playoffs for his last 7 years. signed in vancouver and immediately wrecked everything. canucks made it back in immediately after he left.
messier was an ass and his leadership abilities are vastly overrated. with the talent on that 94 team, the rangers should have won the cup. 90 you may have an argument for. but i'll take the classy leadership of a sakic or yzerman ahead of the ego-driven messier any day.
Messier had a ton of millage his last 7 years from...you know...winning cups. Something Yzerman didn't do until late in his career. Yzerman was almost run out of Detroit and now he's a great leader lol.
Hi cats
Moose would have been a good coach, much better than Wayne with the Yotes.
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andrewjmschroeder Thanks, I needed a good laugh!
😆 @ 'nuck fans who thought Moose would give up his 11.
Jesus Christ you really do hate the Canucks
That's why I have 25 of their jerseys. It's all about the hatred.
The most overrated player in History who benefitted from the talent around him.
As for dirtiest player? Legendary butt-end at the face-off dot.
Yzerman carried The Dead Things on his own until the 90s when the Russians arrived and sacrificed offensive stats for Cups.
The ocean if difference is in plain sight, but we keep pretending Mr. Potato Chip is a Hockey God.
Let's not forget his time in Vancouver either.
The Messier Myth.
Oh shut up
Please remember to get to Bernie Nicholls. A very interesting and anomalous player.
Messier was an Oiler first and foremost.
Messier meant more to the Rangers than the Oilers. He's loved more in NY.
@@amazinmets8439 Yes, an iconic figure, but Manhattan isn't Canada and among rangers fans he's loved, the only thing is that he was second fiddle in Edmonton, he was the Rangers leader.
So I'm not going to argue the point. I have no problem with Leetch btw, I love the Potvin comparisons and both maybe top 5 defensemen in history.
Messier led Edmonton to a cup after Gretzky, he also led NYR to a cup before Gretzky. I can see a cupless career for Gretzky without Messier. Another reason my #1 all-timer is Hasek.
That Oilers Team was stacked without Messier. Gretzky didn't need Messier...
@@IHaveTheSchwartz I've seen plenty of "super teams" not win in my life. You can't just make that statement about a team's leader.
@immetal1 I'm aware of team dynamics, but this is long before the roster made millions a piece, and there were no Salary Caps.
That Edmonton Team doesn't exist. The Rangers out-spent everyone not named Detroit.
Messier is a product of his teams, not his own ability.
He carried nothing but his own ego.
@@IHaveTheSchwartz did he steal your girlfriend or something?
@immetal1 Vancouver would say he stole a Dead Man's number, got their beloved Captain Traded, Coach Fired, and then came after them for more money. All hallmarks of being the Greatest Leader ever, right?
It's the false narrative that a dorty player on stacked teams is somehow a legend - who hasn't had a hockey job since retiring.
Beliveau and Yzerman set standards for Leadership and class, yet Messier is idolized like he is the reason for his teams' successes.
He's good at selling chips and cable subscriptions, though.
9mins ago... that’s how early
Canuck fans will never get over this, until they perhaps win a Cup. But moving on...
Messier, I think, was the real Michael Jordan of hockey. His style of play, getting involved in all aspects of the game, imposing his will on the ice, on his team, and on his opponents, it was more of a Jordan-esque style of play.
Does this make him the GOAT of hockey over Gretzky?
Well, that depends on how you measure greatness. Gretzky's real greatness was in making his whole team better, not doing everything better than everyone. And in spite of his selfless nature, he outscores everyone, and wins over the respect of the whole league, right down to his opponents.
Messier's greatness in imposing his will on the whole game, but in doing so he comes across as selfish, particularly when he didn't win. And when he did that in Vancouver, well, it is like Michael Jordan going to the Indiana Pacers, and sinking them to the league basement. That cast a huge strike against him, a strike Gretzky never had.
Messier imposed his will like Jordan? I didn’t realize elbowing guys in the face with intent to injure was a staple in Jordan’s play
greatest CAPTAIN in history