A Proper Education | Yes, Prime Minister | BBC Comedy Greats
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- Опубліковано 29 вер 2024
- The PM’s chief political advisor Dorothy proposes a system of education based on the NHS's right-to-choose, though the privately-educated Sir Humphrey isn’t sure parents always know best.
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the way he says "ordinary people" with such disdain 😂
he's such a snob and I love it
peasants
1:54 doesn't sound a bad idea to me
We can only hope, my friend! We can only hope.
It could discourage family planning and having babies, perhaps not what the government would want
@@andrewbernard8752 would it really? granted that is a valid concern, the human urge to have children is natural and people would do what it takes to be able to do so.
A program that would better prepare future parents on how to raise their children would certainly benefit us as a society.
@@EmperorBlue Shame we didn't suitably preclude your birth.
@@DidierPeroni seems like a costly and fruitless endeavour.
Lived in the UK for a while - got the distinct impression that the government schools were for poor and immigrant kids and if you had any money at all you sent your kids to a fee-paying school. Plus, like Americans, they didn't pay their teachers well at all, even at the really posh schools.
On a historical point when the UK joined the European Convention on Human Rights they made a reservation to a provision that would have permitted this.
Somebody please tag the Virginia GOP in this section.
This sounds too much like a certain American politician doesn't it? 😳
Exactly what we’re fighting for in the US. And Britain is causing serious issues for parents.
An interesting episode where both Humphrey and Sir Arnold actually agree Hackers idea is a very good one, but they must block it to maintain the current status quo
At this point, I am convinced that 'Yes, Minister' and 'Yes, Prime Minister' are documentaries.
Better than mainstream journalism.
Didn’t think of that!
Mrs. Thatcher used to say that they were the instructions, for how to do her job.
supposedly writers and producers had someone on the inside who leaked a ton to them
They are...
That's a rather out-of-character "Yeah" at the end from Humpy.
I think this means he's really annoyed (by Dorothy's presence at the meeting)
Too American I would say
It’s a kind of ‘Yep’. Even the Queen says ‘Yeo’ sometimes.
He says "yup"
Deborah Norton is perfect in this role, loved her as a guest star in A Bit Of Fry And Laurie too!
Did some work for her fairly recently. She is a very lovely charming lady
@@petepaine5331 always been a big fan of hers, hope she is doing fine.
Yes doing fine. Still working from time to time
MRS. Talliot!!
@@roadwarrior144 "are you coming home for tea? Yes mum" One of my fave sketches of all time and all comedy shows ever 😂
Just love how she calls him Humphy ....... just love her character.
"Parents are the worst possible people to bring up children"
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True , many parents would be unable to pass adoption requirements.
Hate to admit it, but Sir Humphrey may be on to something..
Literally what all Left wing academics believe
I mean he is not wrong
Sadily a lot of children have shitty parents. As they saying goes. "All children deserve parents, but not all parents deserve children."
I deduce from this Humphrey was at a boarding school from nursery til upper 6th only seeing his parents on holiday and never had to worry about choosing a GP in his life
Winchester, same school as the Rishi Sunak, current PM == super elitist.
humphrey was an elitist child only one rung below aristocracy would be my bet. child of some rich banker or lawyer. got sent to oxford after life in a nice private elite school and then joined the government making moves and deals until he went to work at the DAA where he proceded to make deals like all his friends. ultimate expression of corrupt bureaucrat who lives to serve the government as long as it serves him. nothing much has changed even now
It’s no wonder Humphrey looked so smug when he said he went to Winchester. The place almost makes Harvard look like a community college.
Winchester and Harvard aren't comparable though, it's a school for 13-18 year olds, the world "college" either applies to a traditional public (expensive fee paying) school in the UK (Eton College, for example) or to a sixth form college (free state-funded school for 16-18 year olds). We never use the term "school" to mean university here, unlike in the US, so "which school did you go to" means where did you receive your secondary (high school) schooling
I thought Harvard was an aeroplane
Isn't Winchester bankrupt just like post Brexit Britain?
@@helipeek2736 It is.
@@youcanlearnalotfromlydiaI really think you are missing the point of the aforementioned comment.
Dear old Humpy. What a character. Sadly, they don't make shows like this any more.
Winchester is one of the seven famous British ‘Public’ schools, along with Eton, Harrow, Rugby Charterhouse, Shrewsbury and Westminster.
I think you mean English rather than British.
Superb casting, magnificent satire! Scary how relevant the series still is in 2022.
Satire?
@Aleksa Petrovic;
Satire (noun) the use of humour, irony, exaggeration, or ridicule to expose and criticize people's stupidity or vices, particularly in the context of contemporary politics and other topical issues.
@@aleksapetrovic6519 genuine politics of the UK in this era often commented it was more like a documentary than a satire
You can see how their relationship developed from the beginning as well! In the first seasons of Yes Minister, Humphrey would also go on those long elaborate explanations, but he would never admit the true intention behind them. Here however, after spending so much time with his minister already, he does concede at the end that the true intent is really just to block the decision. Nice touch I think.
Whenever "Humpy" says "very droll" you know he's lost for words :-D
Having worked in customer service for some time, I think Hacker might be on to something with those breeding licences. 😉
I would like to have the proper qualifications, for having, and looking after the children, before I even think about becoming a parent myself.
@@petermostyneccleston2884 All joking aside - I wish they would scrap some of the garbage they teach in school nowadays and have 'life lessons class' - how to budget, what terms like credit, interest, inflation etc means in the real world, why being responsible and dependable is important, how to communicate in a job interview and with other people in general, how to deal with failure (just cos everyone wins at sports day doesn't mean the world is like that), how to dress and feed oneself in a healthy way, what a clean house looks like and how to achieve that in a sensible way, what is involved in having kids, raising them and teaching them all of the above etc. etc. etc. - stuff that really matters.
Once teenagers pass the exams for this class they would be allowed to have kids of their own...
@@Eddy0042 that is what I mean. Particularly how to look after the children, before you are allowed to have any.
@@petermostyneccleston2884 Agreed - I was agreeing with you ;-) Just in a longer way ;-)
Well I'm in disagreement and you'll get your head kicked in if a govt comes out with that policy as an intention and you support it.
PM’s smirk…🤣🤣🤣🤣
This lady is the one person Sir Humphrey is really scared of. Mr Hacker should have unleashed her much more on Humpy.
The only time In history we’ll have Humphrey translate himself:
“…taken forward to the next stage”
“You’ll mean they’ll block it ?”
“Yep”
Sheer genius
And one of the few moments that the permanent secretary of the state actually use vernacular terms. Another occasion is when Sir Arnold said to Humphrey "Its useful to have a little chat, thanks for dropping in, Humphrey."
Also earlier in his career Hacker would’ve responded to Humphrey’s rambling with confusion and dismay, here he just leans back like, “here we go again.”
I mean they will give it the most serious and urgent consideration, and insist on a thorough and rigorous examination of all the proposals, allied to a detailed feasibility study and budget analysis, before producing a consultative document for consideration by all interested parties, and seeking comments and recommendations to be included in a brief for a series of working parties who will produce individual studies which will provide the background for a more wide ranging document considering whether or not the proposal should be taken to the next stage.
Brilliant! And little, if anything, has changed since then. Must admit that I’d not imagined keeping children in school longer could deliberately be so as to keep unemployment figures down!
They said that exact thing in that episode.
Well it's certainly not to teach them anything.
From what I hear, Dorothy was meant to be a stand-in for Prime Minister Thatcher. If that's the case, I wonder what the PM felt about her, given that she was a fan of the show at the time 🤔
If you know that Winchester is probably Winchester College, a boarding school, that adds a new layer to this scene and Humphrey's views 😂
Given that the writers attended Winchester college it is clear that that is the school referred to.
Frankly, I've been in favor of breeding licenses for decades.
Who should get the breeding licences?
@@Daniel-fv1ff first criteria would be whether you're smart/idiot? enough to get into a relationship
@@Daniel-fv1ff people who can afford to have children and not be on welfare as well as be able to demonstrate a temperament devoid of abuse.
We tried that before.
It was called eugenics, and they were awful.
To let parents decide? Barbarism.
One of the best comedies ever made.
THE Best !
I don't know why, but there's something very funny about hearing Humphrey say the word "Yup."
Things haven't changed much, have they!
John, Ontario, Canada
Nope.Nothing's changed in the forty years since this was bioadcast.What a sad indictment of our political and administrative system.
I disagree. The education system is much worse than it was 40 years ago. The grade schools are full of woke socialists indoctrinating children to think like they do, and the universities have stopped teaching how to think in favour of what to think. Faculty who resist dogma and doctrine are shunned, punished, and eventually driven out so groupthink dominates. Our very expensive education system now produces mindless robots who believe “writing code” and “gaming” are worthwhile careers. Luckily for them, fast food kiosks and delivery systems need mindless robots at minimum wage.
@niels lund, still a child if your opinion is any indication. Time to wake up to the climate hysteria, critical race theory, gender confusion, and other woke bullshit being taught in the schools. Your parents never had to cope with that level of indoctrination. Nothing funny about it.
Sir Humphrey could easily pass as the spokesman for our current government.
On BOTH sides of the pond.
Back in the good old days when you could choose your own doctor
Loved how when hacker asks if they will block his plans for education, Humphy goes on his usual long winded waffle response and then second time round, when question is asked again replies yes.
why not issue parents with breeding licenses - would solve the overpopulation problem in the world
very good👍👍
Not much has changed in the real world.
One thing I agree though. People wanting children should pass some sort of examination and qualify to be parents before they can.
And what if they fail? Are you going to force people to have abortions? Or perhaps put the kids up for adoption?
@@globalincident694 no
That's a slippery slope towards eugenics I'm afraid. This is not Nazi Germany nor is it North Korea...
@@globalincident694 They should be trained and tested before pregnancy occurs in the first place. Mandatory termination of said pregnancy would be a very effective deterrent to preempting the license.
@@221b-Maker-Street Nothing wrong with a little applied eugenics if it's done properly, as was the case in countries far more civilized than either of those two hellholes. The United States and Canada are just two examples.
Hes not wrong. Quality of parenting is trash in the uk.
You mean they will block it ? … Yeah 😀😀
People really should have "breeding licenses"
“You mean they’ll block it…”
(Humphrey goes on for nearly a minute)
“You mean they’ll block it…”
“Yeah…”
When the BBC could do comedy.
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This lady is a refreshing addition to the scene..
People with bad parents: "I don't get it, why is everyone disagreeing with Humphrey?"
I mean if the parents can't even elect a decent city council. What makes you think they would be good at knowing what's good for their kids when a ton of them are too busy at work, or barely even know what their kids are doing most of the time.
That breeding license thing…
I just Googled "Winchester" and Humphrey is right to be smug.
Humphrey is actually correct. "School Quality" is impossible to determine because school outcomes reflect the readiness of the students for education more than the ability of the teachers to teach anyone, or anything.
It's never just one thing or the other. School success depends on the quality of the teachers, the readiness of the students and maybe above all the funding. If you have to teach stuff from 30-year old books that are falling apart then it's getting hard for everyone.
All the more reason for parents to be involved in their chilren's education. Which is a requirement for a lot of charter schools, here in the US. As opposed to state funded institutions where you have almost no parent involvement.
Well all things aside, I'm not against the "breeding license"
So pro-eugenics then?
I just wish I knew were to watch this show.
Wow . How spot on . Does anyone remember the Democrats response to School choice in the US .
Don't laugh!! NSW has this system.
He would out manuver keir starmer anyday
What makes you say that HUMPY😂😂😂
No joke, I actually think some parents would need to be trained on parenting.
Would be interesting if the breeding license was actually implemented somewhere.
It was.
Nazi Germany had laws like that.
So did nations like America and South Africa when segregation was in full effect.
At least in Sweden letting parents choose their schools resulted in increased disparity among schools, few excelling students got bit better grades while students as a whole dropped on average grades, resulting in a net loss for society.
Is that still the case or has it been reversed?
Changing schools without a change in programming leads to what you mention. Is the Swedish system like Finnish?
Net loss? What do you base that on? Just "average grades", or is there some actual research linking that drop to a drop in net productivity? You're aware of Prices Law, right?
@@greenknitter They changed in the 1992 and they've continued it since. Swedish society has also changed quite a bit in the past 30 years so I don't see them reversing it now.
@@natalyapanteleyeva7062 No, in Finland it's generally hard to change kids school to any that wasn't assigned by location.
Anyone give context of the 1980s? Growing up in the 90s you could choose any school if in your borough. Was it different then?
Yes and children could walk to school, and ‘play out’ with their school friends who were also their neighbours.
@@henryworthington8261 they still can and do.
😂
The main problem with education is that the success rate of the schools depends more so on the students than the teachers. So being able to determine which schools are best for which students necessitates being able to get to know both the children, and the teachers which could be done via cameras I suppose. However if parents "just move them whenever they want" then popular schools would be overcrowded without a student cap.
So letting parents decide, could work but only with certain safeguards in place.
We do have a system similar to what Hacker planned in Hong Kong, that is for secondary education parents can choose 3 schools that are not region restricted when apply for seat distribution, and the result would be based on public exam results, the top students are assigned their chosen school first, if there's any remaining seat the second best group got assigned, and if not the the second or third school of choice will be assigned, if all 3 schools of choice are full then the pool will change to 30 school of choice in the district the family lives in. This in effect encourages parents to choose the best school they can compete for, often based on university accept rate, range of extracurricular activities available and fame in general, however this system also puts unnecessary pressure on students, as the quality of teaching shown during school visit by Education Bureau can be easily faked, it doesn't matter if they were recorded, as teachers warns students to behave and prepare materials specifically for school visits, so the real parameters for teaching quality and consequently the size of funding from Education Bureau is solely dictated by public exam results, so naturally the real education is extremely exam oriented, students are expected to not just learn knowledge but how to decipher questions and correctly deduce the expected answer for examiners, EB not only know this very well, but also organise talks and workshops to inform teachers their change in examination systems, such as the structure of questions and types of expected answers, as well as changes in curriculum. In primary schools the situation is far worse because there were no public examination for entrance, thus to compete for quality students school often force students to overwork themselves to prove the quality of education, and since there were 2 compared to 1 public examination in secondary schools the preparation is more intensive and oftentimes those 8-13 year olds have to study at least 10-12 hours a day, and teachers were even more serious about exam results because their performance were checked once 3 years instead of 6 years, and if the student were underperforming the school receive less funding and teachers receive less pay, so in reality primiary students are merely the cash cows for schools. This causes extreme incompetence of teachers dealing with developmental needs of students as they were too busy preparing students for exams and often it leads to high depression ratio, not all of that surfaced in primary school, but a lot of students got depressed during their first year in secondary school from the fear of underperformance and subsequently kill themselves.
@@fsdds1488 "subsequently kill themselves", very droll. I guess (South) East Asia in general have this setup.
Breeding licenses lol
Meanwhile in Japan, schools are taking a "zero tolerance" approach with students and their families based around the Bushido code.
A Proper Education | Yes, Prime Minister | BBC Comedy Greats 1826pm 29.3.22 samurai makes a good scholarly neophyte, perhaps? mishima would be aroused, i surmise... p.s a decent education like a decent loaf of bread - it is very hard to find...
@@JJONNYREPP That's not the problem, though. The problem is enforced conformity.
Prerogative to its conclusion will result in the total inertia of the uncles who deceived you.
@@williamcrowe2576 A Proper Education | Yes, Prime Minister | BBC Comedy Greats 1853pm 29.3.22 cant blame the jaapnese for that. all cultures are full of it.. enforced b.s does the rounds where ever you are. taboo breakers.... but what is taboo what sacred or treasured...? who cares. you're a man. then live your life as you see fit. the idiots are the pansies and women are those who nit pick and cant get to the point. shame on them!!!!
Utter twaddle! What exactly do you know about Japan?
school choice just makes rich people get into better schools and poorer into worse
How so?
that's assuming that admission into schools is based on payment of school fees, or ridiculous ideas like buying homes near to the school or parent volunteer work. that's not what is being proposed here, these are all subsidised schools they are talking about
@@Samuel-wm1xr It's more subtle than this - even when only talking about subsidised schools, parent choice means the best schools get over-subscribed so they can choose who gets a place and who doesn't. In MOST cases the 'richer' (read 'less working class')* students tend to have parents with better educations themselves (or more clout in other ways) and so they get picked for the better schools. And teachers are targeted on results so the school prefers kids with parents they deem more likely to push for a good education because they'll pressure the kid to do well.
For this to work you'd need a completely unbiased system where neither the teachers or the parents get a say - for example like the 11+ in the UK years ago - make the kids sit exams and then they can apply to schools based on the results. This brings more complexity and argument - but you see the problem...
*and I'm not saying working class kids can't do well (I am one and I did well - my Dad made sure of that ;-)
Marva Collins Way
This is the ridiculous viewpoint of today's Democrats
I actually agree with Humphrey here.
Hmm... breeding license you say? Oh Hacker, you truly are a visionary PM!
In the context of the current crop of obnoxious influencers, karens and pure unadulterated exhibitionists et all, that license may not seem out of place.....
You do realise that eugenics were abandoned for a reason right?
I’m afraid I find myself agreeing with Humphrey about the suitability of parents to raise children. Personally, I sometimes think it would be better if people had to pass an exam to prove they know how to be parents.
Aside from the practical, that is.
Many people on the left actually believes what sir Humphry says here.
Honestly I'm not surprised.
Privatised education doesn't seem to be a great thing in general.
@@henryreed4697 On the contrary. When you see the shenanigans going on in US schools right now, and the inappropriate agenda that they're trying to force of kids nowadays, I wouldn't want my kid to be anywhere _near_ a government institution. The primary responsibility for the education of children remains that of the parents, and parents should have the right to choose the type of education they think is in the best interest of their children. The Dutch have the right idea with their state sponsored voucher system.
@@Hannodb1961 yeah, everything you've just said tells me all I need to know about you.
"Inappropriate agenda"
Yeah, whatever you say mate.
@@henryreed4697 If you think its ok to expose preteen kids to s3xual content - nevermind trans genderism and all the rest of the alphabet nonsense, then not only are _you_ the problem, but you are also a predator groomer that belongs in jail with the key thrown away to make sure you never come anywhere close to kids ever again. Shame on you!
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Whilst Humfrey is coming at this from a selfish, conservative perspective, he's got a point that the average parent doesn't have the capacity or morality to pick their kids education. Too many would just want their kids to have the exact same views and education as they do. It's why I oppose religious schools, it's just encouraging indoctrination.