I've been looking around for notes tuned in Frequencies for this particular temperament. Could you kindly share the notes tuned in your video by their exact frequencies for example the A4= was at 440. but it's more helpful to tune by frequency for sake of simplicity. Thank you. Great performance on your other videos! i wish finding alot of your playing using this temperament for any given piece.
Great video! Did you consider also making tuning-by-ear videos about other temperaments such as Kirnberger or Werckmeister, or Rameau, or Silbermann? Watched the mean-tone too, it was super helpful! Thank you for the efford! :)
The most straightforward practical tuning video i`ve seen, very useful, thank you so much for sharing your deep knowledge and expertise with Us Alice!. ( i´m curious to what´s your favorite temperament for the well tempered clavier by J.S ). Cheers!.
Great video again! I've heard criticism from harpsichordists about Vallotti because it erases a lot of flavor from period pieces. I've started tuning in Rameau I. because I play mostly French stuff. Maybe you can do a video on some period French temperaments!
What's the name of having five consecutive fifths being 6th-comma narrow, then one pure, then another sixth comma and then the remaining five pure? Like a modified Vallotti I'm also curious of what tools are there to play with and evaluate temperaments computationally.
After you have tuned everything, thereby changing the string tension on the frame, presumably the frame adjusts to the new tension and throws everything a bit off (like when putting a new string on a violin, which is more extreme than changing the tuning on an existing string, but with much fewer strings . . . and sometimes even just retuning an existing string on a violin noticeably throws the others off). How many iterations do you have to go through before it stabilizes?
I have a problem with Vallotti Tuning and other tunings. Vallotti was first a musician, then a priest, then chief of the big church in Padua. He published his tuning 1778, a few years before he died. So I expect it was an Organ tuning and it was tuned in Padua. An Organ Builder came for tuning. He was paid and the receipt was archived and is still available. I do not know someone, who has seen this receipt. That means, it was not in use for organ. For Harpsichord then? There is no source for tuning a harpsichord in Vallotti at that time. First source is of the 20th century. If this is all right, you harpsichordists use an organ tuning, which was not used and find it very interesting. ;-) Silbermann was an organ builder and managed to tune an organ in his Silbermann tuning. Probably he had to tune the Organ in a normal way, tuned in Silbermann first, did not inform the parish and informed Bach to come and test. Bach came and found several mistakes. The tuning was useless. Now some harpsichordists are glad to play a useless Organ tuning. ;-) Buxtehude met Werckmeister. They conspired to tune Buxtehudes Organ in Werckmeister III. Again, there is no cource that it was tuned. The perish decided to give the order to a local master. We don't know, what he tuned. A friend of mine played an Organ with Werckmeister III. The A-major was useless. A-major is the dominant of d-minor. D-minor is probably the most common key in Barock organ music. This tuning used on an Organ is doubtful. Now we have harpsichordists tuning their harpsichord in this doubtful Organ tuning and like it very much. ;-) 1802 Zang wrote about organ tunings in common. He suggested to stop writing new tunings, just temper the Organ and take the sound as it is. First source for tempered tuning on an organ is from France. They tuned, listened the result and soon tuned the Organ again. Zang was sick and tired from hundred years of inventing tunings for the Organ and not tuning one of them. That is, how it looks. Das Wohltemperirte Clavir and his tuning. Harpsichordist fly on this theme like flies on marmalade. Bach wrote this to make very good organists out of good organists. Translate the cover sheet. First pupils were his sons. A very good organist passed the Organistenprüfung from Mattheson. Afterwards he had one of the few very good jobs for Organists. This was not meant for performance. We have no source, that is was performed at that time. We have sources, that Bach composed to rich in content for many audience, even concerning his normal Organ works. Performing Das Wohltemperirte Clavir was impossible for this reason. Nowadays our good harpsichordists work a lot until they perform it. ;-) How Bach tuned his harpsichord to play Das Wohltemperirte Clavir? There were no audience, who could like a special spice in every key. So he tuned tempered, by ear and did one tuning in 15 minutes, as a student writes. This is possible with tempered. Tune the 12 intervals, 7 times pure fifts, five times fifths you can slightly hear, the interval is to small. A a small fifth follows a pure fifth. This is tempered by ear. Our harpsichordist try different tunings, Vallotti, Neidhard, Kirnberger and like it very much. Tuning lasts a lot more than 15 minutes. So something must be wrong here. Can't you just do the job instead of fooling around? ;-) Das Wohltemperirte Clavir is the holy gral for the harpsichordists but they don't know it. Did you know, that somewhere in the middle of it there is a peregrinus? It is completly out of time. You make a harmonic analysis with major and minor and this is very complicated. Just call it Peregrinus and everything is clear. Next thing you don't know are the hidden corals. There is at least 13 of it in the Book I. You all like to play it, but up to now, nobody knows it ;-)))
Dear Alice, you have a problem with the definition of Baroque. It is 1600 to 1750. Why? Because man has 10 fingers. So they took these numbers. Music has always been a part of society. Sometimes society changed abruptly and so did music. One big change was the last of October 1517. Martin Luther stood with a hammer at Wittemberg church. The following big change has even the name "Revolution". French Revolution, 1789, the head of Louis XVI fell on the ground. We also have a date with precision. If you did so, you would not have a problem to call Vallotti Temperament from 1778 "Baroque" and you would see Baroque Music with a better foundation and in a new way.
What questions do you have about tuning Vallotti temperament, or other temperaments? Let me know with a comment below!
I find Vallotti not strong enough to actually hear. Have you tuned Kellner by ear?
I've been looking around for notes tuned in Frequencies for this particular temperament. Could you kindly share the notes tuned in your video by their exact frequencies for example the A4= was at 440. but it's more helpful to tune by frequency for sake of simplicity. Thank you. Great performance on your other videos! i wish finding alot of your playing using this temperament for any given piece.
Que aplicación usas para afinar?
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Thank you so much!
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Great video! Did you consider also making tuning-by-ear videos about other temperaments such as Kirnberger or Werckmeister, or Rameau, or Silbermann? Watched the mean-tone too, it was super helpful! Thank you for the efford! :)
The most straightforward practical tuning video i`ve seen, very useful, thank you so much for sharing your deep knowledge and expertise with Us Alice!.
( i´m curious to what´s your favorite temperament for the well tempered clavier by J.S ). Cheers!.
This is really informative. Many thanks. Loving you channel here in Liverpool, UK
video much appreciated. Please DO match audio levels across segments, so music doesn't hit hard after hearing your soft voice.
Thanks! this vidieo is amazing! you are so generouse to sharing that kind of content!
This is super helpful! Thank you so much for sharing!
Wonderful--I'm so glad!
Great video again! I've heard criticism from harpsichordists about Vallotti because it erases a lot of flavor from period pieces. I've started tuning in Rameau I. because I play mostly French stuff. Maybe you can do a video on some period French temperaments!
What's the name of having five consecutive fifths being 6th-comma narrow, then one pure, then another sixth comma and then the remaining five pure? Like a modified Vallotti
I'm also curious of what tools are there to play with and evaluate temperaments computationally.
After you have tuned everything, thereby changing the string tension on the frame, presumably the frame adjusts to the new tension and throws everything a bit off (like when putting a new string on a violin, which is more extreme than changing the tuning on an existing string, but with much fewer strings . . . and sometimes even just retuning an existing string on a violin noticeably throws the others off). How many iterations do you have to go through before it stabilizes?
Amazing! I just wisg I had a harpsichord :')
This videos are excellent. Keep up the good work!
Thank you so much!
WOOW.... Thanks for this video...!!!
Thanks, very educative!
I have a problem with Vallotti Tuning and other tunings. Vallotti was first a musician, then a priest, then chief of the big church in Padua. He published his tuning 1778, a few years before he died. So I expect it was an Organ tuning and it was tuned in Padua. An Organ Builder came for tuning. He was paid and the receipt was archived and is still available. I do not know someone, who has seen this receipt. That means, it was not in use for organ.
For Harpsichord then? There is no source for tuning a harpsichord in Vallotti at that time. First source is of the 20th century. If this is all right, you harpsichordists use an organ tuning, which was not used and find it very interesting. ;-)
Silbermann was an organ builder and managed to tune an organ in his Silbermann tuning. Probably he had to tune the Organ in a normal way, tuned in Silbermann first, did not inform the parish and informed Bach to come and test. Bach came and found several mistakes. The tuning was useless.
Now some harpsichordists are glad to play a useless Organ tuning. ;-)
Buxtehude met Werckmeister. They conspired to tune Buxtehudes Organ in Werckmeister III. Again, there is no cource that it was tuned. The perish decided to give the order to a local master. We don't know, what he tuned.
A friend of mine played an Organ with Werckmeister III. The A-major was useless. A-major is the dominant of d-minor. D-minor is probably the most common key in Barock organ music. This tuning used on an Organ is doubtful.
Now we have harpsichordists tuning their harpsichord in this doubtful Organ tuning and like it very much. ;-)
1802 Zang wrote about organ tunings in common. He suggested to stop writing new tunings, just temper the Organ and take the sound as it is.
First source for tempered tuning on an organ is from France. They tuned, listened the result and soon tuned the Organ again.
Zang was sick and tired from hundred years of inventing tunings for the Organ and not tuning one of them. That is, how it looks.
Das Wohltemperirte Clavir and his tuning. Harpsichordist fly on this theme like flies on marmalade.
Bach wrote this to make very good organists out of good organists. Translate the cover sheet. First pupils were his sons. A very good organist passed the Organistenprüfung from Mattheson. Afterwards he had one of the few very good jobs for Organists. This was not meant for performance. We have no source, that is was performed at that time. We have sources, that Bach composed to rich in content for many audience, even concerning his normal Organ works. Performing Das Wohltemperirte Clavir was impossible for this reason. Nowadays our good harpsichordists work a lot until they perform it. ;-)
How Bach tuned his harpsichord to play Das Wohltemperirte Clavir? There were no audience, who could like a special spice in every key. So he tuned tempered, by ear and did one tuning in 15 minutes, as a student writes. This is possible with tempered. Tune the 12 intervals, 7 times pure fifts, five times fifths you can slightly hear, the interval is to small. A a small fifth follows a pure fifth. This is tempered by ear.
Our harpsichordist try different tunings, Vallotti, Neidhard, Kirnberger and like it very much. Tuning lasts a lot more than 15 minutes. So something must be wrong here. Can't you just do the job instead of fooling around? ;-)
Das Wohltemperirte Clavir is the holy gral for the harpsichordists but they don't know it. Did you know, that somewhere in the middle of it there is a peregrinus? It is completly out of time. You make a harmonic analysis with major and minor and this is very complicated. Just call it Peregrinus and everything is clear.
Next thing you don't know are the hidden corals. There is at least 13 of it in the Book I. You all like to play it, but up to now, nobody knows it ;-)))
Master, consider getting a microphone, because it is very difficult for us to hear you.
Dear Alice, you have a problem with the definition of Baroque. It is 1600 to 1750. Why? Because man has 10 fingers. So they took these numbers.
Music has always been a part of society. Sometimes society changed abruptly and so did music. One big change was the last of October 1517. Martin Luther stood with a hammer at Wittemberg church.
The following big change has even the name "Revolution". French Revolution, 1789, the head of Louis XVI fell on the ground. We also have a date with precision.
If you did so, you would not have a problem to call Vallotti Temperament from 1778 "Baroque" and you would see Baroque Music with a better foundation and in a new way.
Terrible sound quality. Too bad, cause I sometimes have tuned harpsichords which use this.