Toxic Star Wars Fans RUINED Star Wars - The Anti-Woke Acolyte Backlash
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Toxic Star Wars Fans RUINED Star Wars - The Anti-Woke Acolyte Backlash
Are you optimisitc or pessimistic about the future of Star Wars and the Star Wars fandom?
Optimistic about Star Wars, but there is no optimism for the fandom. They'll never change.
@@coolnerdlll6053 maybe they can if we find a way to make sure they do
@darthdracul8372 I'm an aspiring filmmaker and I've been toying with making a BlacKkKlansman-type movie analyzing toxic fandom. It would probably be fun to watch, but the real trolls would never listen to it.
@@coolnerdlll6053The fandom decides the successful future of Star Wars, not woke-addled ideologues.
Also remember the fans who said the Prequels should be retconned and Remade by Disney after the Force Awakens (Talking to you Red Letter Media, Star Wars Girl, Tyrone Magnus, and Chris Stuckman)
And them and their fans will downplay it and pretend they never said that despite its available right now on their channels to see
I hate when people try to compare the hate for the prequels to the hate of the sequels, as if the reasons are even remotely the same
I agree, George received a complete barrage of hate and bile from the prequel haters of that time and he never once retaliated or said a word back. Same with Hayden Christensen, he caught alot of flack and criticism over his performance and portrayal of Anakin, yet he stayed professional and never clapped back. AND was welcomed back with open-arms years later.
This is in stark contrast to spoiled, privileged Amandla Stenberg, who gets some criticism and all of a sudden out of nowhere has a rap video, where she twerking in defiance ready to go lol. I think she had already made that Discourse rap video before the Acolyte show even aired.
@@RaikenXionwhile how they acted compared to her was admirable, some people’s mental states just can’t handle the harassment they receive from fans. This is seen in other franchises other than Star Wars. Let’s say the dude who played anakin as a kid. Fans need to learn that their actions and words hold power. Not everyone is gonna be as level headed as Hayden and George. Me personally I’m gonna keep hoping in the back of my mind that Disney gets it together and produces a for quality films and shows.
Also they took Ahmed. THEY TOOK MY NIGGA JAR JAR 🫠
Also we almost lost jar jar 🫠 cuz of fans
Fun fact: the guy who made "the people vs george lucas" and said star wars was dead all those years ago is currently arranging a funeral for the franchise all over social media lmfao
@@thejuansnow wtf? He’s still not over his grudge? Weak minded people keep this cycle of hate going on
Dude needs to get a life. The franchise can still have new stories that are different, but I feel like everyone just wants it to be the same. People blame corporate control for the sequels being bad, but I say that it was both the fans and Disney that failed us. One couldn't accept that things had to change, and the other couldn't understand the place Star Wars had in our hearts. It disgusts me the fans who bullied Jake Lloyd haven't learned their lessons.
@@M01eFANatic79 The problem is that too many fans think of Star Wars not as a franchise consisting of movies, shows, books, and video games, but as an IDEA. I wonder why?
@@gamestation2690 Because people take themselves too seriously, and that's why I'm skeptical about fan reviews nowadays. I, for one, disowned the Star Wars fandom years ago after I saw how they treated those on the prequels. After hearing how they were with actors from the sequels, I vowed never to forgive them for that.
The movies are cool, but the hardcore fans have always been toxic as shit.
Well thank god, looks like the majority have spoken. This abomination of a show has finally been cancelled 👋
I think it’s safe to say that The Clone Wars pretty much redeemed the reputation of the prequels, because it expanded on how Anakin eventually fell to the Dark Side in ROTS, and it gave us more stories in an era that people only wondered about when it was first mentioned all the way back in the 70s with A New Hope. But, in relation to where the fandom’s at now, it’s the prequel hate era all over again, BUT WORSE!! It’s disgusting.
However, on a positive note, I do like Qimir’s helmet design in The Acolyte! It’s like a mix of Starkiller’s Sith Stalker helmet from The Force Unleashed and a Xenomorph’s (Alien’s) head, while looking like it was hastily cobbled together. Very cool!
*_This_* is why it's so *damn HARD* to actually legitimately _ENJOY_ any new "Star Wars" content that's coming out in this day & age (😔). I know this isn't something entirely new, but form my observations, it's gotten more prevalent than it was back in say, 1999 when "The Phantom Menace" first came out and the Internet wasn't as big as it is today. And I will personally seriously *NEVER* forgive the "Star Wars" fandom as a whole for _almost_ driving Ahmed Best to commit suicide (🤬).
_WHEN_ will this _permanently_ come to an end?
Wait what? Who is the actor you mention at the end of your comment? That is messed up wtf
@@joseantoniovargas6548 Ahmed Best. He played Jar Jar Binks in the prequel trilogy. The negative backlash from people in the fandom directed towards his character was _so_ toxic, negative, and vitriolic for the longest time that it unfortunately spilled over to where _he_ was the target of that negative harassment. _Fortunately_ he did mentally recover from that and he's doing alright now (😊).
@@velociraptor4you3291 Dear lord I'm glad he was able to recover but man, further proves that people forgot how hated the prequels were..
@@joseantoniovargas6548 IKR?
That was the media you idiot, your gaslighting of the fans is so absurd.
10:38 NO, I disagree. I'm Black myself from the UK, my mom's white and my dad is black so I guess you could say I'm mixed race or "biracial"; either way I'm Black guy in my late 30s who is a passionate starwars fan and I've just never seen anykind of racism from the STAR WARS FANDOM. Now i'll admit i'm not on twitter, and yet I've heard from so many people that twitter is simply a cesspit for Negativity of all kinds.
So if this is where that level of racism is stemming from, purely from twitter, then look the simply fact YOU have to realize here is you're simply NOT going to stamp out Racism for good, by keep protesting against it; especially not on social media, all Disney is doing there is just feeding those small group of racists anyway. The REAL and Only True way we can combat and ultimately defeat Racism is to simply do what Morgan Freeman said, "DONT TALK ABOUT IT. This is absolutely what Disney really Should be doing. Don't acknowledge these racists, instead just hire the absolute BEST, Most *Talented* Individuals for the job.
Also Disney themselves are a huge problem here and you @TurfNation even glossed over 10:06 DISNEY'S SHEER HYPOCRSY here! So who are the bigger "Racists" here huh!? IF Disney truly stood by this cause of "Diversity" and "Inclusion" then they would not be trying to have their cake and eat it in regards to China. And you also talk about this being just simply "Business practices" but doesn't make it GOOD does it.
Marvel's 2018 *Black Panther* Film has proved, IF you're just simply GENUINE about the cause of "Diversity" by making actual ORIGINAL stories, even exploring other cultures, Black/Ethnic people's mythology through interesting and compelling, Original stories; where you're Actually allowing those Ethnic people the chance to TELL THIER OWN STORIES of their Mythology, and Culture. You end up with things like Moana, Coco and Encanto. And this can even be done in the realm of Fantasy genre, like Black Panther, written,/directed/produced and Majority Cast by BLACK PEOPLE, and look how much Bank that made for Disney, yet can YOU @TurfNation honestly give me ONE example of where Disney have took this very same approach again in any of their recent movies??
If you just ignore the actual Bad Apples, the small number of Racists out there, where you don't give them anykind of Attention whatsoever. Where instead, you (as a company) just simply focus on allowing Ethnic people more chances to tell their stories, in the form of big, blockbuster movies like Black Panther; People will watch those films and Everyone will enjoy them; resulting in big money made for the company. THAT, is what REAL DIVERSITY is about! That's what True, Genuine *Progressivism* actually is! I get so annoyed because I keep pointing out this simply Fact and no one seems to pay attention.
I mean please, tell me I've got it wrong here then, explain to be how.
I think sometimes people use racism as a deflection. Like Moses admitted it was only a few I think who were making racist comments so for Disney to make a big deal out of that (with the twitter response) does seem like a deflection from the people who were giving legit criticism.
God bless you.
@@FeedingFrenzy91 Yes that's what I think. Peace & love brother 👍
@@RaikenXion You too.
I have to say...I'M SICK AND TIRED OF CLOWNS LIKE STAR WARS THEORY AND OTHER CHANNELS, saying that FANS DID NOTHING WRONG, LUCASFILM BLAMING US FOR EVERYTHING...just because Lucasfilm said "Hey, being racist is not cool". Star Wars FANS ARE GUILTY of being racist and sexist towards actresses and yet they blame company who just stood by them. It's so old at this point, and it's sad WE LEARNED NOTHING from Jake Lloyd and Moses Ingram situations...where did we fail?
Im not racist or a Bully. I just want a good show, not a bad show like acolite.
ive never seen Star Wars theory be racist or sexist.. really. and he has condemned that himself. he also has toxic fans
@@barendfaber some people can't differentiate
@@barendfaber Okay, that's fine. And if you're not a bully THAT'S EVEN BETTER. However majority of the fanbase is sadly like that.
@@nah7656 He is toxic and hides behind being a fan. Besides that he started to hang out with channels who don't care about Star Wars, aside from hating on everything new that comes out and started using the same clickbait titles. How mighty have fallen.
The Acolyte so far has been a mixed bag for me. I don’t dislike it but I don’t love it too. I’ve only seen the first few episodes so I can’t judge the show as a whole yet but like every other piece of Star Wars media, I’m giving it a fair shot. The best Disney Star Wars project I’ve seen so far has been Rouge One, Kenobi, Ahsoka, Visions, Andor and even The Last Jedi (I have a soft spot for it but mostly positive).
It makes me sad that a franchise I love so much as to be involved with a fandom that despite being very passionate it is full of so much toxicity, bigotry and hatred to the point where I almost feel ashamed to be a fan. I will continue to watch Star Wars but will ignore what the small but very vocal anti-woke and fandom menace online groups have to say. People like Nerdrotic, CD, HvB, RK, G&G and Bowelstrek should be removed from social media entirely and face real life consequences for their years of the hate speech they hide behind the masks they wear as well as their poisoning of the art of film and television and media critiquing however that may be possible.
The channels you mentioned have completely annihilated media discussion (as well as somehow avoided hundreds of verbal assault and slander charges) and there's no going back. It makes me sick.
I know. They’re some of the worst kinds of people. Probably even more so than most racists, misogynists and anti-LGBT activists you see in public and online which I wouldn’t be surprised is what they really are.
What? Fire in the vacuum of space? How without oxygen?
That never existed in Lucas' works! Exactly, like sound, we never heard an explosion, the space battles were always completely silent!
What comes next? A laser beam that simply stops after one meter?
Yes! It’s all part of the “rule of cool!” 👍🏻
Literally the first shot of the original Star Wars movie shows explosions in space. People using that as an argument can take a flying leap into a river on Mustafar.
@@coolnerdlll6053 my thoughts exactly! Yet another example of grifters grifting and being fake fans.
@@AE_Sunset-Nutrix_AE exactly! Arguments like those have no consistency. It’s just people with hate boners for Disney that they contradict themselves all the time
Or hell if you actually ask scientis about how space battles would work for real thier answer is totally WW2 dog fights and not a slow turn based chess match where the two oponents don't actually see one another
The haters also overplayed their hand this time around by resorting to using an ai to deliberately tank the acolyte audience score problem is the ai was so poorly programmed it started hitting random things that had nothing to do with the acolyte series.
It started review bombing a movie from 2008 titled The Acolyte
A short film from 2021 called the acolyte also got review bombed.
Lastly something that was Star Wars adjacent being the acolyte a Star Wars fan film was also hit by said bot.
At this point review bombing really does didddly squat because its viewer numbers that decide whether or not a series gets renewed or not
You're absolutely right. Any further attempt to point at audience scores to condemn a movie or show can be discarded. We know how they're being manipulated by culture warriors.
Review booming is not a thing it's just a derogatory term for public oppion. A term creators ues to blame viewers for there failure PERIOD. There is no such thing as review booming.
@@jlord9638 - At the same time Star Wars series The Acolyte was getting down voted en masse an entirely unrelated movie from years ago was getting the same treatment. An actual fan who had watched the show and was giving an honest appraisal would have noticed immediately that they had the wrong feature.
Also a separate short film by the same name was also review bombed at the same time.
Clearly this was done either by bots... or by people who had no idea what they were doing and just following the workscold grifter herd. I'm not sure which is more pathetic.
It does, however, clearly demonstrate that the anti-"woke" crowd do engage in review bombing and they made a hash of it.
mrheroprimes
Lol, we definitely have to take a closer look at how some of these things are manufactured sometimes. There's certainly a lot of bigots and hateful people, but they seem to always organize to try to increase their effect
They'll accuse the left of not being "organic" though even though it seems like they're always the ones in chat rooms, discord scheming. They've been doing it since 'gamergate", "brigading" articles, comments sections and livestreams. Look at the whole situation with the Yasuke article on wikipedia and how they had a whole war over there 😄😄 changing sources. Just because of the ubisoft game that's coming out. But then they turned around and claimed it's leftists that were trying to change history through wikipedia when the article hadn't been changed for years until they tried to change it. I think the left should also start being more organized and acting together online even if they claim it's not "organic"
I hate the show and have no technical skill enough to make a AI that's kinda a ridiculous argument. I have seen many people give negative reviews are they Ai videos. If a company wants my money then make something I can enjoy.
Thank you bro.. well said. It’s so annoying when I see all these videos that pop up that are hating on Acolyte because it’s just so old now and they just look so lame to me. It’s weird because I am a huge Star Wars fan and I’m actually enjoying it and I’m honestly just curious to see how it ends and I would rather just wait until the final episode to see how I truly feel about the show. Regardless of what happens tho, I’ve had a good time and I will continue to be a Star Wars fan, and I am excited to see what happens in the future.
You're an NPC
I don't care if it's "old" to just hate on a thing. The MAJORITY of us Fans (with actual Common Sense) DO NOT CHOOSE TO HATE, we just simply point out if something is Not GOOD QUALITY. And I'm sorry here but if it's actually "BAD" then yeh, we're going to Hate that thing, and make it be known just how bad it is. The more Disney keep spitefully pushing back on us for criticizing when they're not putting out *Good Quality Star Wars* the more Disney LOSE big time; because their content just gets steeped in CONTROVERSY.
Infact you know what's REALLY GETTING OLD HERE?? BAD QUALITY STAR WARS. I mean it's just Cringe at this point. And so we're NEVER going to stop calling out bad sh*t.
Hey! Us Fans we got Nothing to lose here, because we have OUR George Lucas - 6 movie, epic SKYWALKER SAGA. WE have ALL the classic *LucasArts* Starwars games (and Fallen Order), and WE have ALL the classic, EU Books and Comics.
Anyway i only just noticed your comment is 11 days old, so plz tell me what do you think of the show overall now?
I think it's fair to say the wokescold haters are not actual fans of Star Wars. After all, how could fans review bomb an entirely unrelated, Earthbound movie from years ago? A fan would take one look at the promotional poster and realise they had the wrong Acolyte.
Sounding like you ain't a real fan
Thank you for this review. I was enjoying the Acolyte and was curious about where all of the negative criticisms were coming from. It seemed like unfounded vitriol. When I think about the Original Trilogy, there are tons of plot holes that could be construed as bad writing.
Qirim was shirtless but Leia was in a bikini, kept in chains, and being licked at by the nasty worm alien Jabba with his phallic tongue. Nobody batted an eye.
Siblings were kissing in the recovery suite while being watched by other people and a robot. Weird.
At the Sarlacc pit, Han and Chewie were in binds but a lethal Jedi (who had just shown he was capable retrieving weapons from distances out of arm's reach) was not? Plot hole much?
The light saber battles in Acolyte seemed much more like actual sword combat than the flashy and self-indulgent swordplay of the prequels.
Did any of that matter? No. I bought the digital versions of all 9 and the DVDs of the first 6. Rogue One and Solo are two of my favorite SW films so I got those on digital too. I continue to enjoy the Star Wars Franchise, even the Disney Plus shows that struggled. They all still had something to offer. Interesting character development, zany mythology, exotic locales, creative alien designs, cool ships, sympathetic robots with different personalities, and neat new armor designs.
im not a fan of the show at all. I used to be apart of that Fandom and had a particular person in your video fans come after me because i commented on a what i felt was a racist video and called them out. I love good writing but i cant be online being toxic with them anymore.
Every fandom from anime and mangas to book clubs is the same best not to join
This. I rarely particiapate in any discussions among the fandom, because it is way too toxic. If you don't agree with the common opinion, which usually is also based on other opinions and cultural wars, then you will be laughed at and that's it.
People can have whatever opinion they want on any subject, but inability to talk about it is laughable. And if you dare to like anything Disney makes, then you're not a TRUE Star Wars fan. Shitty behaviour.
@@azk9218 for real and the gatcha game community is the worst I've seen my it's a cesspit death threats of a VA because she liked a picture of fan art with her character and a male and my god its sad, I remember a Vtuber retiring for simply playing hogwarts apparently that makes you a oppressor of diversity and a Starbucks review only that got told to kys for funding terrorism some freeks out there,
Then again most these people like haven't even seen seen the sun in 10 yrs there not spotted in the wilderness often lol
@@azk9218 you’re so right
I'm Black from UK, plz go check out the D.A. there's actually loads of Positive starwars fans, EBN, Thor Skywalker, SWT, Starwars Meg, they criticize when the quality is bad they'll just call out if they don't like it, they are honest and just explain and share their opinions on when Disney Starwars is not good. Just look at the first two seasons of the Mandalorian; no hate there. I never saw any Racism levied toward Giancarlo Espositio who played Moff Gideon, or Carl Weathers (RIP) who played Greef Kaga in that show.
All I'm saying is don't focus just on the racist channels that spew hate, and let that dictate and build up a picture overall in your mind of the UA-camr Starwars fandom. Because that's the "narrative" the media want to push.
I'm black and I don't like the Sequels; I liked Finn and he was pure wasted potential in those movies. I will say whatever Racist comments were thrown at Actress Moses Ingram who played Reva in the Kenobi series. That is un called for, but I really don't believe she received a huge volume of racist comments, because no one, not Disney/Lucasfilm have even provided screenshots.
Even if it was just one or two racist comments, it's absolutely not called for; BUT I do believe what Disney did there was use that to Paint our Fandom as a mostly, "Toxic, Problematic" Fanbase and that's simply NOT TRUE!! I have not saw any racism in the fandom. The only racist channel i've saw has been "Ryan Kinel" because of when he mocked George Floyd in that video. He is vile and simply a sheer hater anyway that doesn't give anything a chance and only hates it all.
Regards Disney and the Reva character specifically. All they had to do was actually greenlight a miniseries for Ingram, ALL about her Reva character, growing up indoctrinated into being a "Inquisitor". If such a show were made, AND had really good writing, showing the character of Reva being take in those flashback scenes as a child by Anakin/Vader, and she's one of the few in the whole Galaxy that knows Anakin is Vader; and she strives to learn all she can from Vader, going out with him on missions during the great Jedi Purge. Planning for the future, for one day where she can be skillful and powerful enough to defeat Vader. I believe such a series would have showed us a very sympathetic character and FANS would have all loved it. I genuinely believe that.
BUT because Fans were promised this "Battle of the Century" from Kennedy, between the two MAIN CHARACTERS of Anakin/Vader and Obi-Wan. And Kennedy really kind of pulled a sly bait and switch, deliberately bringing in secondary, sub characters that really did NOT belong there, taking up time and scenes that SHOULD have been absolutely dedicated to Kenobi and Vader (when it's actually his show!). That's why Fans got so annoyed, and didn't like the character of Reva being in what was promised and meant to be "Kenobi's story". And what Disney did was manipulatively twist what the Fans didn't about the Kenobi show, to be something about Racism toward Reva when it was not.
I don't think The Acolyte is great, it actually has many problems in my opinion. But do I hate it? Has it "ruined my childhood"? No, none of these things. Because I'm an adult and my childhood ended years ago, and I don't tie my emotional state to a fucking television show. When I dont like something I point out why and then I move on because hating on stuff is a waste of oxygen. I'd rather find things I enjoy and focus on enjoying those things. As they say in Star Wars "only the Sith deal in absolutes", and the toxic fandom don't seem to understand many of the teachings of Star Wars. They're like religious fundamentalists who pick and choose which of their messiah's teachings to follow because they're adjusting their faith to suit their opinions.
My biggest issue is that, these fans treat star wars like it is the greatest piece of media but lets be honest star wars is just meh overall, from the first to the latest most of the output are just meh..don't get me wrong I am not saying I don't enjoy the franchise but I don't cry about it when an iteration from it turns out bad or okay or great.
@@isimioyekunlemarktaiwo3643
Not going to lie I'm not a fan of the originals at all and I know it's taboo to say if you're a fan but I always say it lol 😄. I've never been able to make it through the original trilogy. It's a snooze fest. Couldn't deal with the bad special effects and style of story telling back then. I only liked the prequals but then a lot of people liked hating on that too, always talking about Anakin and comments about sand 😄 So what is anyone supposed to like? Clearly people are free to like whatever they like. These are just opinions and these days it's mostly driven by bigotry anyways and not objective criticism
ITT: "Star Wars fans" but they don't actually like Star Wars. Fans like you are why we get shit like this and the ST.
I've noticed Ryan Kinel has made multiple videos on Amandla Stenberg basically bullying her.
She's been bullied online since she was a little girl. He could never handle the vitriol she's faced from members of Hungergames and Star Wars fandom
She's a great actress - great in Hunger Games, Bodies Bodies Bodies, her limited role in Across the Spider-Verse and even this, because playing two characters is never easy. I hope she can pull through the backlash and make a career for herself.
She is dark-sided.
@@ribbrascal If she's dark sided then people like you are to blame. She's been bullied online since the age of 14 because she's black. Now people are surprised she's the way she is? You're tone deaf
@@coolnerdlll6053her white dad can probably help with that
@@atari1994 Because only white people can be successful in Hollywood. Morgan Freeman? Who's that?
YES! THANK YOU! You are absolutely right! So many of these UA-cam critics didn't even give The Acolyte a chance and were hating on it way before it even released. They criticize stuff that never mattered in the past (fire in space) because they see it as just another reason to hate on the show when there's already plenty of valid problems to criticize. It's ironic because they're all fighting against an agenda in modern pop culture, and in the process they managed to start their own agenda that's hurting it as well.
The real problem is the older fans do not like the politics that Disney has been injecting into their content. We all thought that Disney would actually listen to the very large fan base that they inherited when they bought the franchise but they decided to go a complete different direction. It wouldn’t be that bad but they keep retconning the older cannon from which they grew up on. Sorry, you would be upset too if you watched your favorite childhood movies/tv shows/stories/toys all get stomped on by a lying high school bully kid directly in front of you. Your dealing with two generations of fans who feel they are being shorted. You can all hate on my comment if you want but it wont matter, I’ll never be back to this channel. I have no dog in this fight as I just don’t care anymore. I thought I would just try to shed some light on some more complex and very divisive reasons around this topic since none of it was addressed in this video.
im pretty sure the ‘larger older fanbase’ would’ve noticed the balant politics george lucas has been putting in starwars since ANH
but i guess the fall of democracy and seperation of church and state is not political but the existance of lesbian space witches is
@@chocolatebar6785The new media has a Marxist influence
That's not up to them to decide. Disney owns the franchise and they get to inject whatever politics they want into it to further thier sides agenda. They have all the money they could want, it's not about making money anymore, it's about changing society to fit thier vision.
You only don't like it because it doesn't push your sides cultural standards. If Disney portrayed traditional western Christian/family values then you'd be on the other side cheering them on, while neo liberals boycott and call them anti whatever.
Its sad man, i used to watch Star Wars Theory all the time. Now everything he says is so critical of literally everything that's been put out by Disney. I just sick of all the negativity. I think all the shows do have their own problems but i also found a ton of things i loved about them. The Sequels weren't my cup of tea but i can still find things i love about them. But then again i was one of the few that liked the prequels when the came out and i saw them in theater. The negativity just gets old.
I mean I get what you’re saying… but this show is not good. It’s so boring. I fell asleep during the second episode. I just kinda hate it…. That’s my personal opinion and no one else!! Nobody influenced me. It’s just not good Star Wars imo
I think that is fair enough. These critics like critical drinker etc can't seem to just say that without adding in "woke" or "DEI" into it. 🙄
I agree with your assesment partially. Namely, there are (without a doubt) a lot of bad actors and grifters out there who crap on anything Disney makes for cheap political points - and to them this is just a points scoring game. Nerdrotic and Critical Drinker both are a fine example of this.
However, lets not pretend how Disney and their defenders are not using the political debate surrounding Star Wars as a shield to deflect valid criticism. I cant remember how many times I have been banned from various fan forums and sites for pointing out genuine problems under the false pretense that I am a misogynist.
So, as far as I am concerned, both sides are extremely toxic. I still love OG Star Wars, but I think Disney has no clue what they are doing. And the problem is not DEI or social justice or anything like that. The problem is just extremely poor writing.
Anyone who thinks RT scores matter shouldn’t be taken seriously and should be ignored. I couldn’t care less about what scores a certain movie has. It’s simple. I either like a movie or I don’t. Not that hard. But these idiots have to have reassurance because like you said they’re lonely people
It's an attempt at a self-fulfilling prophesy. Review bomb the "bad" movies and shows and then claim that it must be bad because of the reviews.
@@darthnater9731 they need that reassurance more than actually trying to enjoy the franchise they supposedly love
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The funny thing is they'll say it matters when they feel like it's on their side but say it's fake and no one cares when it's not in their favor. These people are never been consistent on anything. No integrity at all
Why did the Acolyte not pull in the new crowd they were looking for? You can't blame the Lucas fans for rejecting something they clearly didn't want. You can blame Disney for trying to create a new crowd, and not capitalizing on ready made audience.
Lucas fans are the ones who ran George off in the first place. They never cared about what George wanted
I don’t mind if people critique the films. They can hate whatever they want. I don’t like attack of the clones or the phantom menace. I find them boring and kinda corny at parts. But I don’t attack anyone who likes them. That’s my big thing. Hate whatever you want but don’t be an asshole about it. Toxic to me is Anyone who attacks others for liking something they don’t. Or anyone who harasses the actors, writers, directors, etc. also those who don’t condemn that behavior are toxic too because they’re sitting back not doing anything about it which tells me they’re either ok with it or they just don’t care.
@@darthnater9731 completely agree! It doesn’t matter at all what you like and don’t like, what matters is that you’re respectful and civil
It seems a bizarre thing to do, seeking out people who like something and attacking them for it.
I don't understand why anyone would waste their time and energy on such an endeavour.
criticizing actors, writers, and directors is NOT harassment. as an artist with a large platform, you should expect criticism. it's part of growing and improving as an artist. if the writing is bad, we have every right to voice our opinions on it. some people take it too far of course, but the majority of ya'll are just mad we don't like things you like.
fuck that its fun to be toxic
@@JohnCena2011 - Perhaps it's up to individual perspective. After all, when culture warriors such as Ben Shapiro get any pushback on their nonsense they start whining about "cancel culture" and being censored.
1:26 The Darth Vader twist was hated for years it only got beloved around the late 80s and early 90s
Anyone downplaying how every Star Wars movie or show prior to the prequels had lots of hate is delusional
The Ewoks was hated and the movies and cartoons were called the worse things in Star Wars history even criticized how they "beat" The Empire and were only made for toy merchandise (Sounds familiar right?)
The Boba Fett cartoon got the same hate
All of them got the "Not real Star Wars " narratives
You're spot on the toxicity with Star Wars began after The Empire Strikes back was released
Sadly i don't think it will go away since its been this way for over 40 years
@@Chuck_EL thank you for providing some context! damn the “not the real Star Wars thing has been around since the beginning basically. It’s a vicious cycle of hate that the fandom has been stuck in
You're spot on the toxicity with Star Wars began after The Empire Strikes back was released:"
Oh Sith Lordy Lord, I remember defending Empire for three freakin' years from friends because they were acting like the story was over. "We have to see what they do in the third one" I'd say, and them list the awesome azz moments from Vader-Luke fight to Jedi training. They claimed it felt 'unfinished'. Fair point, but allow it to finish.
Yoda grant me the Meditation Technique to accept the things I cannot change; the Light Saber to change the things I can; and Guidance of the Force to know the difference.
You're isolating random anecdotes and completely missing the point. The incidents you mention-criticism of the Ewoks, the Boba Fett cartoon, and even the initial reactions to the Darth Vader twist-are not reflective of the MASS popular sentiment of the primary fanbase. There is always going to be modest squabble amongst fans. These moments were mere blips compared to the widespread and sustained flat out REJECTION that Disney Star Wars has faced.
The hate towards the prequels, was nowhere near as profound or universal as the backlash against the sequels or the shows. The prequels, despite their flaws, had a coherent narrative that respected the core themes of Star Wars and have since found redemption and appreciation within the fanbase. The primary fanbase, which cherishes the original spirit of Star Wars, largely sees Disney's iterations as a departure from the saga’s foundational elements. This isn’t just about "toxicity"; it’s about a genuine and justified dissatisfaction with an artificial and corporate-driven agenda that feels disconnected from the authentic essence of Star Wars.
The original Star Wars trilogy and even the prequels, despite their controversies, tapped into universal human themes and archetypal storytelling that resonated deeply with audiences. Disney's Star Wars, particularly the sequels, and the shows prioritize a superficial adherence to contemporary ideological trends/laziness over the timeless narratives that made Star Wars a cultural cornerstone. The primary fanbase's rejection of Disney Star Wars isn't about resistance to progress; but a revolt against a distorted and INAUTHENTIC portrayal of a beloved universe, imposed by a bourgeois elite disconnected from the true spirit of what George created.
@@thechuube8442 - I think there are some elements that you would not get in a genuine and justified critique.
Things like hate mail being sent to actors (including a child). Melodramatic accusations of having one's childhood r*ped. Such blind hatred that a completely unrelated, Earthbound movie from years ago gets review bombed because the wokescold activists weren't paying any attention to where they directed their hate.
Empire Strikes Back got a mediocre response when it was first received. So was Jedi.
I'll have to binge watch the last 4 episodes of the Acolyte when I get home from vacation haha. Oh I saw this tweet about SW theory saying
SW theory: fuck Disney SW
Continues watching Disney SW 😂
Yeah I don’t get that either. They say they hate it yet they watch every single new show and movie that comes out
@darthnater9731 exactly haha. They hate it but it's still SW to them
@@darthnater9731 that's their job...
This channel is so positive, I wish there was more channels like Organised Chaos and Turf Nation.
Preach.
Peep Pillar of Garbage if you haven't his channel is great
There are. They are out there.
Maybe a bit too positive though
@@markkenny2001 I appreciate it a lot! There are plenty of channels like us, I have a bunch of them linked in the description:)
"Disney shill" is such a strawman, most people are "Disney skeptics" where they are skeptical of the corporate tendencies of Disney but are willing to point out what's good and bad about Star Wars content.
raises hand... this is me
@@ProjSHiNKiROU exactly, it’s not about either blindly loving or having them but being balanced
I wish Disney would go back to the Walt’s era about being creative
You're going to watch childrens cartoons about snow and mermaids? People just say these things, mostly cause they have an issue with change that doesn't look the way they want it to look. Maybe you mean you just want more unique and creative stories? Well most of disney's hits were retellings just like now, so actually they're doing more of the same. You just realize it now cause you're an adult. The best thing disney has/had in terms of creativity is Pixar. But they don't seem to want to do much with Pixar
@@Scoring57 how about how love isn't women loosing themselves to a man or how about a story that even if your different and ugly you still deserve love and respect
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Sounds very woke of you, lol. Well again that'd be more of the same so what's wrong with what they're pushing out now? I hear that's exactly what the new snow white is going to be. But some people are mad that her world isn't going to revolve around a guy that's going to kiss her
@Scoring57 Because at its heart, it is still a story with love involved. If you want to make a new story, then make it, but don't change an existing story because you think you know better. There's a difference between being woke and having a reasonable understanding of the human condition.
I will not abandon hope
"I will not abandon my poisonous cringe religion of Wokeness"
@@darthdracul8372 me neither!
@@ribbrascalbetter to fight that "poisonous cringe" by harassing actresses off of social media. Very stable and not cringe at all.
@@ribbrascal - Another one who never recognised how "woke" the original 1977 Star Wars was.
A movie coming out today with blatant anti-colonialism and anti-authoritarian themes would be condemned and review bombed like any other. The only difference is that either people were less fragile about it back in the 70's or maybe the wokescolds were too dull to notice it in the original Star Wars.
@@RictusHolloweye Wokeness is about allegedly "oppressive" WHITE "coloniality" that supposedly permeates all throughout Western society, including our thoughts, and that every identity falls into either an "oppressor" or "oppressed" category.
That's not Star Wars, dum dum.
What people regularly forget is that Rotten Tomatoes isn't a review site: It's an aggregate cite. It's compiling reviews from all over the place and giving an average score based on the data input. It's pure number crunching, not an objective measure of quality.
Oh my God, thank you. Someone else knows that.
@@TheNightmareRider exactly, it doesn’t mean anything when it comes to quality
How do you measure quality then?
@@khizeryusufzai2185 If a show interests me enough, I either watch it myself then watch other reviews of it, using both to inform my info based on the details.
The core question to any critique is: What is this show trying to achieve? If we know that, we can evaluate if it does or does not for reasons X Y and Z.
@@TheNightmareRider thx. I mean is their a website that gives good non biased reviews.
Personally if I’m interested I just look at reviewers who have the same interests as me or view of things and take those opinions into account if I don’t wanna spend money on a film without seeing reviews
The Acolyte is my favorite show so far, but I'm only a casual Star Wars fan. I love the mysteries, characters/performances and interpretation of the Force. My biggest issue is I just want longer episodes. As far as toxic fandom and overall bigotry, I agree to confront and educate but that gets exhausting when there are so many online who are willfully ignorant. Thanks for continuing to fight that good fight!
I have not seen The Acolyte yet. Because I am sick to my stomach of a bunch of gatekeeping assholes calling everything "woke", where there is none. But I will watch the show now that I have seen this video. A lot of people would tell me, "don't let the group that you were once part of grind you down". Because I was in that toxic Anti-SJW circle. Had I stayed in there and not gotten out four years ago, I would be part of that toxic army of manbabies pointing out "SJW and wokeness" where there is none.
Although I was in the Anti-SJW circle, I was not the kind of person who would send threats at Rian Johnson, Kathleen Kennedy, and the cast of The Last Jedi. Because death threats are immature and petty. When Andor was released, they called Diego Luna a diversity hire. As a Hispanic/Latino male of Dominican parents I say to Geeks and Gamers and those like him: How fucking dare you call him a diversity hire because he's Latino? I'm a Latino, and your racism against my people is highly unacceptable
Yo Diego Luna was made for Andor, he was so perfect in that role and i can't wait for season 2. Some wokeness and virtue signaling is in Disney SW... but leave the actors alone. I didn't care for Reva's character (just so random) but i liked her performance and i like the actress. my issue is the poor writing in some of these shows, the diversity is.. it's laughable to be mad at. it's SW. You know i first got into SW in 2019, and i was telling my boss at the time about it and he literally said "you have this.. and then this and a black man." i was stunned. like there are some weird ass aliens and he wanted to point out a black man? wow. jabba is the most offensive character but yes, let's point out a black man. but he is a proclaimed nonracist.... sure.
@@VideoGamesAndTheWorld Sjws say and do toxic things as well.
Lol cry more why don't you? Thanks for the life story lil bro
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You gotta tune them out and enjoy what you enjoy and like what you like. They don't have anything to offer in terms of legitimate criticism. Their only motivation is bigotry. You either call them out on it and support what you like, or just ignore their screams for attention and still enjoy what you like. Of course they're going to try to attack you for that as well, you just hit back
Regardless of how you feel about any TV/Show or movie, they all mean something to someone. I remember going to see EP9 and when I was walking in there was a young girl dressed as Rey. The movie for her was probably a far better experience and she probably felt the same way I did at that age watching Star Wars. Fans come and go but for one brief moment in your life it meant something to you and you should respect that it means something to someone else now.
Thing is this, we could have still gotten REY dressed how she is in ep9, but with a better story Faithfully Adapted from George Lucas *treatments*; and that young girl would have been dressed up Exactly the Same and still loved THAT PARTICULAR STARWARS MOVIE. This is why I simply don't understand what is WRONG with adapting these old starwars stories, from the EU? Or just using Lucas treatments?? Could you or someone explain this to me. WHY won't Disney go near them? Is it because they actually believe those old stories are all Patriarchal or something!? IF Disney are purely about telling their OWN stories that are steeped in "modern day sensibilities", then all i'm seeing here is hardly any "Heroism" something that's been a absolute staple of George Lucas *Star Wars*, and instead i'm seeing just mainly Nihilism out of "Disney Starwars."
And sorry but I disagree with you about "fans come and go". FANS truly passionate Fans stay with a franchise for like ALL THIER LIFE. The "fans" that come and go are really casuals, who eventually move onto something else, especially if a specific Franchise starts to fall in it's overall quality and is not as popular as it once was. Also look at REYLOS can we even say they were ever "Fans" at all? Not gatekeeping here, just saying, they only seemed interested in the sequels purely for this "ship" they became obsessed with in Rey and Kylo, and when they didn't get that, they fizzled away.
Most actual "Star Wars Fans" you speak to will let you know they're still here. Even the ones who say now that "Star Wars is DEAD". They get met with replies from that other side, of people saying - "If it's DEAD, then WHY you still hanging around here?" Do you get it!? Those people have just proved the point that even though they're deeply NOT happy with the state *Star Wars* is in right now under Disney; they are indeed, very much STILL AROUND.
The starwars Fans are NOT going anywhere. WE will be here long after even Kennedy has gone.
@@RaikenXionThen why did they ruin the Acolyte?
@@doobiewonkanooby Well, fans didn't ruin the Acolyte Leslie Headland ruined it herself. She told Exactly the personal story she wanted there, bringing her own Family issues into her Acolyte show, and many fans could not understand the up and down motivations of the twins characters, as well as this whole moral ambiguity of Leslie turning the Jedi into "Villains" and making the actual BAD GUYS Mae and Qimir the *Heroes*.
That right there is a perversion and subverting of what *Star Wars* is/was; and so people, most fans just checked out. You can't blame fans who chose not to watch the show or started watching then just stopped after like the 2nd or 3rd episode.
@@RaikenXion wrong
@@RaikenXion Wow that’s pretty sad that you think the writing ended the show. Weak!! There were people who over thought everything and hated the show and there were people who didn’t overthink it all and they enjoyed the show just fine.
You just made my point. Star Wars fans like you overthink everything and cried about the show until it got cancelled. Then you celebrated the cancellation. Meanwhile, normal human beings were enjoying the show when a bunch of losers without better lives threw a fit and used cancel culture to get the show cancelled. Facts.
Of course you would blame it on the writing because you can’t see that what makes a show good is subjective. People have different viewpoints.
Go ahead and make your criticisms all you want…But why cancel the show? Let it grow. Let the show make adjustments. Instead we have nothing now. Thanks a lot.
I just simply don’t engage with the fandom anymore. I’ll watch or read the thing, like it or not like it, and keep it to myself. Engaging has become exhausting.
Well if the nielsen ratings are any indication, no fan of any type wants to engage with disney star wars. Finally, we are one.
Thank you let the real STAR WARS FOLK TALK
Thank you so much for making this video. I am too worn out and too busy with real life to deal with toxic fans nowadays. So count me as one of the many people who just don't even bothering to post or respond to online BS.
Also, why is my UA-cam feed clogged with so many complaining about woke Star Wars sites all of a sudden? It's getting tiring blocking them all.
I still don’t understand. Why is it that a franchise with a message about how anger and hate can lead you down a dark path has so many fans full of anger and hate?
Because the people in charge of said franchise are full of anger and hate themselves and love nothing except for causing those emotions in their betters.
Because they think they're going to improve Star Wars by threatening the lives of the people who made it. News flash: People don't listen to your advice when you call their casts slurs.
@@coolnerdlll6053 Especially that person who edited Rose Tico's Wookieepedia page like that.
@@coolnerdlll6053 Nobody has learned from Ahmed Best's thoughts of suicide?
@@ldcg106 Don’t you think it’s healthier to talk about what a franchise CAN be, instead of always what it SHOULD be?
Empire was definitely divisive! Only difference now is Social Media amplifies everything and any criticism expands to straight up hatred! I remember my friends complaining about the Vader reveal, pretty much having the same reaction as luke! Lol. People now a days have you believe the divisivenes was not true but I was there and it was just not amplified by something like Social media
@@eliezerrodriguez5863 There is no comparison between the initial fan reaction to “Empire” and the current state of the franchise. And it’s not because of the internet. If your comparison held true then “Return of the Jedi” would have bombed. “Empire” ended on a dark cliffhanger, with the heroes taking a big L. Fans, particularly young fans, had an emotional response to the dire state of the galaxy because they were so invested in the story. They were supposed to feel upset and wanting more, and this anticipation led to “Return of the Jedi’s” smashing success. The disappointment with Disney Star Wars has led to the majority of fans abandoning the franchise, which is evident across all metrics (box office, merchandise, streaming viewership). There is a fine line between “heat” and “go away heat”.
I don’t take acolyte haters seriously. At this point they’re just looking for any reason to hate this show no matter how poorly thought out their argument is. Once their complaint is debunked they’ll just find something else to complain about and then rinse and repeat
Theyre already claiming it breaks canon without knowing the ending. I think Sol will get blamed for everything hence why Ki-Adi-Mundi still believes in the prequels that the Sith aren't around anymore. You're right though, they'll find another problem to complain about and keep calling everyone else "Not real Star Wars fans".
oh i know, i got a lot of hate for pointing out Leia's slave outfit and how she was sexualized bc none of these dudes wanted Qimir to be sexualized. "BUT THAT'S DISNEY SW" "BUT THAT MOVED THE STORY FORWARD" She could have been clothed and the story would have moved forward! lol. I have so many criticisms of the show, but damn, can't we talk about it peacefully?
I just hate it because the writing is bad and I mean the first two episodes were good episode five and six were pretty good but three and four were just badly written and made me hate the main characters more than before. Like I just wish that Dave Filoni could be in charge instead of Kathleen Kennedy because he’s at least trying to keep the franchise alive or Kathleen Kennedy is hiring anyone off the street to make a show. Filoni at least worked with George Lucas and had an idea of his vision.
Its not just that, its the acting and pacing of the show thats completely boring I had more fun watching andor and I literally fell asleep. I'm just watching the reveiws I'm not giving disney a cent anymore.
Facts
This kinda funny.
2000s: Prequel gets hate and prequel fans feel bad for liking them and the toxic fans are saying that these movies, characters, actors and everything is shit. They feel bad for being Star Wars fans.
2020s: Sequels gets hate and sequel fans feel bad for liking them and the toxic fans are saying these movies, characters, actor and everyhing is shit. They feel bad for being Star Wars fans.
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People are saying that my childhood, my beloved characters - Kylo, Rey, Finn, Poe, Rose - are the shit and non canon...
@@Ahsty_ exactly, the cycle of hate continues. Hopefully this next generation won’t be as vicious towards the next generation
@@Ahsty_ I was Hoping for Someone to find THAT out Sooner or Later!...
They are, they're terrible characters objectively you can like them, but most don't
@@someguyidk220 The fun thing about art is that it's all subjective. People are allowed to have different interpretations of it.
@gamestation2690 There are also parameters that, if used well, give the approval of quality to something specific.
The sequels fail in these parameters, and those are not tastes, they are facts.
Not a single one of these crybaby "fans" whining about woke can EVER give an actual definition of woke and why it is bad. Because that would require having the ability to defend their asinine beliefs.
Woke is an ideology that could be described as a transposition of marxism where class is replaced with race , gender and sexual orientation.The false belief that there is a systemic oppression that should be corrected by discriminating against those who are seen as privileged because their gender or the color of their skin
"Woke" is generally an application of marxist class analysis towards the non-economic sphere. Traditional marxist analysis looks at society through a class hierarchy dictated by the dominant mode of production (feudalism, capitalism, socialism, primitive accumulation etc.). After the failure of soviet communism various intellectuals wanted to cope and came up with cultural theories of power ascribing the rise of soviet "state-capitalism" to the capitalist ways of thinking that were never successfully purged from soviet society and came up with methodologies to attempt to dismantle ALL power relations within society (if they don' then true socialism is impossible). These methods were extended to race, gender, sexual orientation, etc, etc, etc. Over time, academics wanted to go full captain planet "with our powers combined" and joined their power rings to create "intersectionality" which focuses on how ALL of their analyses were all the same thing (sexism is caused by capitalism which is the same thing as racism, etc, etc.). Wokism is simply this final form, the application of the marxist way of seeing everything as power and oppression but applied to everything other than economics. Also woke has a general disregard for classic marxist economic oppression, not from ideology, but from the fact that the wokest in our society are generally very economically well off and that would undermine feeling of moral superiority.
So a woke show is generally one that fixates upon a social issue exclusively from the perspective that group A has power, group B does not and is oppressed and that is bad. The fixation on the power differential is the essence of "wokeness", not so much the right or wrong of opposing claims as these are just seen as cynical power grabs. So Avatar, for example, is not woke, more old school liberal-lefty as if puts a lot of stock into the navi being good because their lifestyle is superior to the humans destruction of the environment. A woke Avatar would focus exclusively on how the Navi are weaker, how human social prejudices are the cause of all Navi misery, and forget the idea of humans learning or co-existing with the Navi.
Is this a clear enough definition?
@@rafaelthetoaster7292 "Woke" means "socially enlightened." Pure and simple.
@@gamestation2690 Not sure if sarcasm, but if it isn't. Not really, pretty much the critical flaw with viewing society through these lenses is exactly what the OG communists critised this way of analysis for. It is really, really, useless for any kind of reform (or revolution). Generally critical theories and the way of thinking they advocate just degenerates into whining about inequalities without understanding the causes for it (to the OG marxists, material conditions). Instead of focusing on tangible fixable things, it focuses on invisible, omnipresent, quasi-invincible, always adapting "systems of opression".
Like, you can't reasonably fix anything through this lense (much less have a cool socialist revolution). It can only really cause circle jerks of complaining. Could you possible imagine Lenin whining about the upper classes causing lower class suffering because they make the Tsar a male beauty standard? Or how they make the poor feel bad because they promote body shaming against the skinny starving peasants? In contrast to color/sexuality/gender blindess it only generates social resentment. So no, not really "enlightened".
@@rafaelthetoaster7292 It's not sarcasm. "Woke" means being socially aware and conscious of injustices, especially those affecting marginalized communities. It originated in African American Vernacular English (AAVE).
Now let's be honest. There's a lot of toxic fans out there but they flat out came out and said...if you don't like what we are doing, don't watch it. 3 weeks in this shows numbers tanked. Sounds to me that they followed the instruction. The fact is its gone, move on.
By now the term of, "No one hate Star Wars like Star War fans, or the "fans" hate Star Wars at this point are excuses. People have a right to say if they don't like something as long as it not out of hate. The true issue is the products coming out are not what the audience asked for and wanted. You can no longer take something, create it and slap Star Wars name on it and expect people to buy it. Audience have a right to vote if they like a product with their wallets. If they like it, they will invest in it. If they don't like it, they'll take their money elsewhere. Bottom line... you can't control or tell people what to like or not like.
"you can't control or tell people what to like or not like"
and Disney has done that for long time, not said it out but act like: ur 2dumb to know what u want and like, we know what u want and like, here it is, new consume and be happy
that's what it translates to if u put it all together
But that shouldn’t be an excuse to bully and say awful insults to the fans and the people who worked on them.
@@ShadowWizard If those people are allowing a corporation like Disney or any other company to determine what they should or shouldn't like, then those individuals are weak minded fools to allow themselves to be easily manipulated instead of determining whether they should like something for themselves
@purplelion3440 Unfortunately there will always be people like that. The best thing to do is ignore them, don't respond and most certainly don't do a "diss track" video, because all that does is stir up a hornet nest that they can't avoid. Social media will always have ignorant people on it, that's something you can't control. But what you can control are your actions toward them.
@@williamblake8560 well that's what he wants to do (stir up a hornet nest), hes hoping for had core backlash so he can do what Disney does, label ppl what ever labels they use and label all fans that have critique to shield themselves from critique, i have seen this and hes attempting same thing but hes channel is 2small, they don't care about small fry, hes not big enough for them to care
Please we need more of these channels that expose these grifters.
Yeah saying grifters don't mean shit dude and it's not grifting if you criticis don't he talking like an idiot
Ever since watching Disney’s Wish and really enjoying it, I’ve been not taking any of this seriously anymore. None of it seems real to me, I can’t tell anymore who’s being genuine and who’s just faking their opinions to feel validated by the ‘the cool kids group’ who will never really care for them. I’m sorry for anyone who doesn’t like the recent Disney content, but maybe it’s time for you to just move on and find something else instead of living in misery by posting negativity online.
A good way to tell is the approach. Many people drifting will be overdramatic while most genuine people will just say what needs to be said.
God bless you.
@@FeedingFrenzy91 well the anti-woke I’ve already come to recognize, now it’s people who complain about Disney doing remakes and sequels. At first I gave them the benefit of the doubt since I too wanted to see Disney make something original, but also didn’t mind the remakes and sequels. But after Disney releasing 7 original movies from 2020 to 2023 and seeing those exact same people still complain or just completely ignore them, I no longer take them seriously either.
@@purplelion3440 Yeah, some people just want to complain. Personally I am a little tired with all the remakes in general like just recently I saw that a new Ranma anime is out but some of the disney ones were pretty good like Aladdin was done well.
@@FeedingFrenzy91 and I’m not saying people need to love the recent original movies, but at least they can acknowledge them. Like ‘better than nothing’
@@purplelion3440 That I kind of disagree with like if you don't like something you have a right to criticize. Like the Lion King remake felt like a cash grab but this second movie looks real interesting.
18:34 There is a difference between changing canon for a cameo and changing it for an actual purpose. The ones you show most of those serve a purpose. At this point we don't know what Ki-Adi-Mundi's purpose is. If it stays as is then they just did it for a cameo.
Except in canon he didn’t even have an established birthday. Only in Legends, and that’s the birthday people are complaining about being contradicted.
But Legends material isn’t canon to the new canon material, so it literally doesn’t matter. Mundi can be whatever age in the new canon, because it hasn’t been established in the new canon yet.
@@Rad0115 You're right. I didn't realize his age was never established in canon. However, the point still remains. It appears they erased his legends age just for a cameo. Like be honest what purpose did his appearance serve in the overall show?
@@Rad0115 The shows over now can you tell me what purpose changing his legends birthday served?
So let me ask an honest question. Are Toxic fans to blame for the cancellation of the show?
I love your stance on this type of stuff man. You deserve the subs and eyes on your channel cuz we don’t have enough UA-camrs like you. I myself am so tired of the whole discourse around whether or not something is woke or not. Like “Yeah”. There are movies that handle it poorly, but for people to just automatically right off the bat shoot something they see down that even looks remotely “Woke” to them is just so toxic. Take Furiosa for example. I know there were people who just weren’t interested in the movie and that’s understandable, but there were so many people that refused to watch it because they accused it of being “Woke”. More often then not this toxic behavior spreads the wrong information and rhetoric to people who are blind enough to listen and follow these people. I’m not a fan of the Disney Star Wars films, but I’m not hopping online bitching and complaining about Rey being a Mary Sue, or Ashoka being woke, or Acolyte being woke and racist. There’s no point. And I don’t have time for that in life lol As an aspiring filmmaker and someone who wants to pursue this field one day, these toxic people make working in film and consuming media very difficult. Especially with how loud and obnoxious they are. I know I took such a long time to get to the point but all I can say is keep up the amazing work man. You’re one of the few channels that I instantly subscribed to. All it took was one video and I felt like I had discovered a channel that I never thought existed. Someone who shares my views.
If you are scared of the public or part of it maybe you should pursue a different carreer
@@Dystopian84I’m not scared of the public. I said they make it difficult to consume and create media. If you’re gonna criticize someone be consistent my dude
@@1classicgamer So other people s opinions have an influence on what you consume ? that is weak af my dude
@@Dystopian84ok Mr. I Don’t Give A F*ck. Why are you replying to my comment? Sounds like you care. Stop projecting and get a life
SW fans are the absolute worst. This is coming from a SW fan
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@@saadyahschick7560 🤡 - coming from a SW fan
This situation is also just infected with culture warriors who infect any fandom that prominently features non-white leads.
Look at someone like Ben Shapiro. Any time he does a media criticism you can easily tell it's not something he's into or something he's actually a fan of, it's just an opportunity to express his politics. That's what's going on a lot of the times when these guys do that and there's a hate campaign. The large majority of them are either casual fans or non-fans who hate anything that is not a 100% white cast. A few committed fans can exhibit these toxic behaviors as well, but most of the people doing this are rarely the true core fans who know every bit of trivia or side story. But the bigots tend to portray themselves that way. Just to give themselves more credibility when they attack the medium for being "woke"
I wouldn't say that. I would say the problem is that most of the legit criticism channels just aren't getting attention like the channels that just seem to want to hate on the franchise.
I don't know why YT doesn't just get these people? Some of the stuff they say isn't even free speech such as death threats. How these people aren't behind bars is beyond me. Getting annoyed at having to add so many of these channels to my block list.
and before “SJW’s” they said “Politically Correct” . Woke is a pretty cool word because it dates back at least 100 years & has righteous origins
I am 50 years old and I can honestly say I love, like or appreciate ALL Star Wars. I love that it's out there. Do I watch the newer kid show "Young Jedi Adventures" - No, but I don't hate that it exists. It's just not for a 50 year old - LOL.. But I LOVE that it is there, like "Droids" was there for me when I was 11 in 1985 - I will never understand the hate. Star Wars is for a wide audience and there is no reason to HATE a TV show or movie - relax... It's a movie. BTW, Acolyte is amazing, and I can't wait for Tuesday!
Right there with you! I was 5 years old when the first movie came out and have never lost that feeling of joy whenever I rewatch it. I'm less of a fan of the new content (except Andor) but I can't imagine throwing hate at anyone just because they enjoyed a show that I did not.
@@RictusHolloweye Boba Fett, Ahsoka and maybe Acolyte (I have to see how it ends) are my fav series... but I enjoy then all. I also really appreciate The Mandalorian... while I don't love every episode, it was the best choice to 'drop us' back into this world with a total stranger... with little and BIG guest stars, locations and side stories.
and you're a bumbling bafoon
Not Star Wars related but seeing how people like Nerdrotic watch the Alien Romulus trailer (a movie in super excited for) calling it woke despite it being a series full of female leads and the very mean impressions of the male character with a British accent (“there’s something in the water”) it just felt wrong to me and i didn’t want to be a part of this anymore. Like your content and I’m glad I found it it’s a great way to escape from the bullying I keep getting recommended to when I don’t want to be a part of it anymore.
Yes rotten tomatoes doesn’t mean anything to me, I watch stuff and judge them for myself simple as this
Love your content
He could be wrong he could be right.
My problem with the Acolyte is something Disney + has been doing for a while. Most of their Star Wars and Marvel shows have a pacing issue. They feel like one long movie that is cut up into episodes. I prefer each episode not to just connect to the next episode, but to have an identity of its own.
I'm chill with cliffhangers, but they need a really good build-up to make them work. People say that the ending scene where Sol has Mae bound to the table is a cliffhanger. I disagree, because he ends it by saying the same thing he's told Osha many times. I will tell you everything, and that still hasn't happened.
A real cliffhanger would be if he hadn't said anything about wanting to share everything until that point in the show with Mae and just ending the episode.
The pacing is just off, but I really enjoy this show. This format only works if you drop it all in one day and let people enjoy the show at their own pace.
That was why I didn't fall in love with Andor. It should have been a two-hour movie or six to eight episodes at most, because there were way too many episodes where nothing happened.
In my opinion, most people post hateful content just for likes alone and attention, when in reality they love these shows, meaning they either hate themselves or hate those who like their messages/laughing at them at the same time.
Look, I'm absolutely not saying people have to like this show. I don't love it either (it's a mixed bag so far). But the backlash against it is both depressing and not at all surprising. Combing each episode back to front deliberately looking for reasons to hate it destroys the very nature of art. I've also had it with the followers - they're not fans - taking it personally against the cast and crew for making something they didn't like. That's just a violation of human nature. And the review bombing isn't just wrong, it's kind of dangerous. Studios use audience input, and giving them false input is not going to make things better.
I know this comment is going to get swarmed by cyberbullies, and honestly, I no longer care. We've reached a point where I'm no longer comfortable sharing my thoughts on a part of my favorite franchise, and that's the most destructive thing of all.
Fam I feel you the MCU fanbase are like the as well when it comes to female led shows and movies
I mean there's legit criticism on this show and many other movies and shows with Disney Star Wars
(Retconning without explaining it or completely one lining it off, pacing, teasing Darth Plagueis and Darth Tenebrous despite it's a show about Sith Acolytes, shifting plots without any build ups, this notion of never showing any dark side users with dark side eyes besides The Inquisitors, Darth Vader and Darth Sidious without explaining why they're not corrupted by the dark side and treating the dark side as only the Sith understand it despite evidence this has never been true before and after Disney bought the Star Wars franchise)
Reva my criticism was it felt like Disney intentionally kept her alive to troll the loud minority and I mentioned this earlier, she never had dark side eyes which would of been pretty cool too see , and they definitely added more plot to her character due to it , that's legit criticism, not because she's a "black diversity hire"
But to just blame it on "Wokeness" and "Diversity hires" is intellectually dishonest
Keep whining, Ive never attacked a cast member and there is a lot of genuine problems with the show culture war BS aside
@someguyidk220 So by that logic, nobody has attacked the cast and crew. I've never shot anyone, but gun violence is still a thing. And I said the show had problems. That's not an excuse for death threats.
You can't blame the Internet for backlash. If you produce rubbish television you will get backlash whatever era we are living in.
The fact is, if your show hasnt found its footing after 180 million has been poured into it then its just done. Were disney supposed to spend a total of 360 million just to have a season with passable viewership? It was meant to be a flagship product to launch the new republic. It flopped. The fact that youtube profited more than Disney itself from the show was likely the final nail in the coffin. Shame really, Qimir was pretty cool.
Agreed as a villain I like him so maybe we can have some of the characters return without an actual second season.
God bless you.
@@FeedingFrenzy91 id watch a Qimir show. He could carry that solo.
@@xedalpha1 I'd be more into a shared universe. Like a show that is set around a certain period and you get a bunch of characters in it like how many shows (The Mandalorian, Ahsoka, Boba Fett) take place in the same era. So perhaps just a show about how it was after the fall of the empire and have them all in it.
Please, how can we stop the trolls from bashing the Acolyte? Cause I'm LOVING IT! It has all de Joseph Campbell material that made the FIRST triology a master piece, YES, I'm calling The Acolyte a MASTERPIECE! It seems to me that some "24/7" hatters just activate the herd, just because they like do play around being little tirants. Dumb hatters are ridiculous! I'm 53 years old woman, scriptwriter, illustrator. I'm kind of tired of boomers thinking nobody should have fun if they dont have fun.
The “fans” will do anything but admit that they are the problem with this franchise and that they are the reason why George sold it to Disney.
It’s like voters blaming media, politicians, and everything else for the shockingly horrible choices of …voters
I don't think the fans are the main problem. Yes, some fans are toxic, but many of us just don't like quality of some of the recent projects and some of the choices made. It's stupid for fans to rage about the ki adi mundi thing, especially the whole wookiepediea thing, but there was no reason for disney to put him in there in the first place. Some of their choices aren't the best, and it's not the fans' fault for criticising. The problem is the toxicity of grifters, that's all
of course not! they need that clickbait and to continuously hate for $$
@@arcgamer8688 agreed. ki adi was a silly choice, but nothing to get our panties in a bunch about. i personally 1) hate the runtimes of this show 2) the dialogue is at times awful, George Lucas's dialogue at least moved the story even though at times cheesy 3) some of the characters are so wooden. but yes, the main issue is the clickbaiting titles of these UA-camrs and then keep hating.
@arcgamer8688 okay, then encourage constructive criticism instead of the usual accusations of "dei hire" or "wokeness". A lot of the criticsm has been laced with political opinions. Thing is, its not an agenda, films have always had messaging. Its just now there is a manufactured panic by right wing media on the interne.
Excuse my English!
I'm pauseing the video because I want to address the Chinese posters controversy. While there are posters where Finn appears smaller than in the international poster, there were many places in China that used the international poster instead of the Chinese poster. In fact, there were posters that featured Finn ONLY in China as well. It wasn't an isolated case. Most places in China featured Finn proeminently and used the international version of the posters anyway as far as I know. Not to mention those verions of the posters were distributed in countries that are more progressive.
What I'm saying is... the changes in the posters were just random.
Again trying to justify disney's Blatant racism
🤡 jesus christ the cope is unreal
Im a passionate fan which is why I cant stand the new stuff.
Im not hating on folks or angry at them for enjoying it.
I simply can't, and it saddens me.
I’m not a fan of the acolyte. I saw the first few episodes, and decided not to continue. Which imo is what Disney doesn’t want. The weird thing is these haters will hate watch the show for the sake of content. I’m honestly under the impression that Disney is pissing people off intentionally for the sake of this outburst media. Hate watching is very profitable (tv reality shows, irl streaming) It gets the show talked about, and watched. Also, of course sustained fires can’t exist in space. But you know what else can’t? SOUND!!
I just no longer follow the haters like Theory & Thor. Cut the haters out and just enjoy Star Wars the way you like!
Thor is a hater? Lol the show is trash man. Hes trying to be positive.
Shill
@Toshibaclovis star wars theory is a hater for simply speaking his opinion? 🤡
@@Toshibaclovis hahahahah wow
Also the line was something like "I suppose you'd call me a... Sith." He didn't say say he was a Sith. I think he's seeking an Acolyte to become a Sith or just wants to be his own thing because he doesn't like Jedi.
The general consensus is not he said he was a sith in the show all pre show material and interveiws stated the story was about the sith there a vidio with everything she said so it's justified for that one
If Disney does like the fandom. Then sell the IP.
Im burned out on Star Wars as Im burned out on Marvel, DC and basically any franchise.
But the "toxic fans" we have now... Are not fans. They never were.
What they are is political grifters. They are not here for the subject, they are here to view the subject through the prism of their own politics.
The reason they do this instead of just setting up a channel dedicated to politics is reach. Far less people will watch. And they need the audience to make money. And the great thing about (these) particular fandoms is the crossover in the venn diagram. You can add the same discourse to all forms of TV, films, videogames.
The potential for grift is huge.
Both sides seem just as toxic just in different ways.
God bless everyone.
Exactly but one side has multi national billionaire companies behind it. Are people so dumb that they think a company slaps a pride flag on their product that they actually care.
I like THE ACOLYTE !
I was excited for it when the first trailer came out and it didn't dissapointi me !
IF i didn't liked it for some reason .. I would say so !
You know I have a feeling that this new star war game "star wars outlaw" will get some backlash from toxic fans no matter what, i am feeling it in my bones😢
16:41
THANK YOU GOD THANK YOU HOLY SHIT I FEEL CRAZY I HAVE BEEN SAYING THIS EXACT THING SINCE THE SHOW F*CKING STARTED
Honestly I didn't like the first 2 episodes of the Acolyte but I can understand why some people like it. What I hate is seeing grifters like G+G and Critical Drinker just saying that "it looks woke" and then hate watching it
The acolyte backlash has exposed all of the worst parts of the Star Wars fandom. The fact that majority of people who hate on the show can’t really give a legit reason for hating on it other than it’s woke just proves the fact that they don’t want to see minority characters in Star Wars. I have nothing wrong with criticizing the show I myself don’t love the show. I think it has a lot of issues. But not liking a show just because it has someone who doesn’t look like you in the show just shows who you are as a person.
I know why can't you just give something a chance and have your own opinion on it
It's not about minority characters; it's about rejecting the insidious nature of wokeness, a bourgeois ideology that imposes artificial narratives onto cultural expressions. Wokeness is a metaphysical distortion, which is why so many people have a hard time expressing what it is. It alienates us from authentic human experience by enforcing superficial, top-down conformity. Critics aren't bigots, they're true fans rejecting virtue-signaling and pandering that insult the franchise's core values. The revolt against wokeness is a demand for genuine, resonant narratives that honor Star Wars' legacy, not cynical exploitation of diversity as a shield against valid criticism.
@@thechuube8442 dude I don’t even know what the fuck you’re even saying. Wokeness is depriving us of our humanity? Give me a break.
@@thechuube8442
" Wokeness is a metaphysical distortion, which is why so many people have a hard time expressing what it is. It alienates us from authentic human experience"
Is the wokeness is the room with us right now?
😂
@@homelander7742 just because you're too much of a smooth brained child to actually grasp what I'm saying doesn't invalidate it.
I'm right, you're wrong, the proof is in the pudding: the show is failing, and everybody hates it.
I do, though, think that 14% is far closed to what The Acolyte deserves than 83% The latter score is just ridiculous.
I love Star Wars. I’ve watched the prequels and originals more times than I can count. I just rewatched them all with my mom! But I don’t even want to engage with the fandom sometimes because it’s just so toxic.
May I ask what you mean by toxic?
God bless you.
Videos that have aged UNBELIEVABLY poorly….
What I find funny is how everyone tries to throw Kennedy under the bus. They fail to mention every time that she was involved with Back to the Future. And I would be very surprised if Back to the Future is all the sudden bad because of her involvement.
So was Spielberg
And Jurassic Park. And Raiders of the Lost Ark. And Who Framed Roger Rabbit.
yeah im sure kathleen kennedy was the genius behind those movies. these shill arguments are so tired
@JohnCena2011 I'm not shilling, just pointing out the obvious. No one cared who she is, until TLJ. Now it's the end of the world though.
@@ViperPilot16 maybe because she messed up and hasn’t righted the ship yet?
These toxic fans are just as overzealous as the Jedi.
19:04 i mean to be fair, anakin was a great pilot in the phantom menace
There's so many Critical Drinker Acolyte videos because greed. I literally saw the third episode's title say "I'm done & so is Star Wars" & assumed that more videos on the show would release. Sure enough, he chose to make a video on the episode after 4 so that he looks less like a clown.
On the positive side, the hate watchers are pushing up the views and that is where studios measure their success.
@@yonderjam yeah everything he does is purely for self gain. He doesn’t want these franchises to get better, he wants them to stay “bad” so he can keep grifting money from his audience. And yeah he’s just helping the Acolyte do better lol
@@TurfNationYT No, he's not. The viewership numbers have not risen at all for the Acolyte one bit, so no one is helping that garbage
@@RictusHolloweyeNo, he's not. The viewership numbers have not risen at all for the Acolyte one bit, so no one is helping that garbage
@@ldcg106 - 4.8M viewers on its first day alone, even beating the X-Men revival. Two days ago it was ranked a healthy 6th most popular current television show, judging by engagement figures, and the most popular on the Disney channel.
Wishful thinking and kneejerk reactions to non-existent boogeymen are no substitute for facts and data.
It just became overpoliticized from both sides.
Not really. It was just one side. Ppl on the right labelled anyone that didn't agree with their opinion as shills.
@@mania4270 Yes, you are right. Ppl on on the right doing this good old KGB's "attack, accuse, project, gaslight, deny" tactic on everyone. They are angry and aggressive in their totalitarity of accusations because they are at war. At least they are profiting on provoking civil war. For whom? That is a good question where answers are on the surface. Their videos are literal propaganda in which they're accusing these movies\TV shows etc. in starting this exact civil war, propaganda, etc. Gosh, they visited Piers Morgan and that is so telling, and they're not even hiding these connections. They're Shapiro-Carlson-Brand-Peterson "free thinker" type opportunists. A "phony looser" type, who found a golden mine. But let's be honest to ourselves. They don't have to search hard to point out some real lame cringe statements and actions by celebrities to throw "the woke agenda" rocks in everyone's faces! Brie Larson, Rachel Zegler, Tatiana Maslany, Ewan Mcgregor in his Birds of Prey "misogyny" tour, etc. They are, mostly, good, compassionate , rich and out of touch people, spoiled by fame. Their confidence of having good communication skills for extreme politics is failing them. But many of them actually do have skills. Robert De Niro, Mark Hamill, etc are great examples. But some don't and there is the problem. And there are more radical and demanding and literary aggressive Amandla Stenberg, Elizabeth Banks, Mindy Kaling, Jessica Gao with "trolling trolls", etc. who, with their awful uncreative writing and productions are just a low hanging fruit, a gift, for them. They just have to dial this to 11. Boom! Profit. Scandals are popular not common senses. Even some random people, with their "white people don't go see "Black Panther" do not help. They all do not help for developing of soft promoted real natural fair diversity. How are they different from Drinker/Nerdrotic&Co then? How does Kathleen Kennedy, Leslye Headland, Oprah Winfrey, Ellen, Cook, Iger are different from Elon Musk, Peter Thiel, Bezos, Zuck, etc? They have one similarity for shure - lust for money, fame and power. They don't care about ordinary people. They use people's problems to make a profit. So it's all really politicized from both sides but this, far right one, is more skilled with manipulations sponsored by rich billionaires and politicians. The other one are just rich loud phony and daring demanders who are not the help for all ordinary people's needs in fair rights and diversity. You and I (all of us basically) are not at these sides but we are affected by them and have our own strong opinions on the issue. We all have one thing in common - it's the +/- clear understanding of the situation which we can discuss and have some consensus. But those who are affected - don't have it, lost it. It feels like we all are locked between extreme left and right agendas and someone did a fantastic job to put literally everyone of us in this position. Acolite is another good idea with a great cast, wasted by foolish, egoistic and absolutely unnecessary radicalisation by producers and some actors. Another gift for fascist propaganda to divide us! "Divide and conquer".. The awful writing is the main problem. Because they can't say sh*t on some outstanding diverse well promoted products! Sorry for this long read. I just needed to give an extended response on this topic that I always wanted to give somewhere and this is the right place for me. The author is doing the right job.
I feel like a lot of these channels are way too deep into the rabbit hole of needing a sustainable income from UA-cam that they have to drum up stuff as the best thing ever or the worst thing ever with no room for in between and nuances. It doesn’t help that they are increasingly getting more violent and vitriolic with their rhetoric. Like. Come on man. I get the show’s definitely not perfect but, “no enough white people” is not some Enlightened rational critique that can be measured against a tv show, it’s just racism and petulance.
8:23 But you do a similiar thing by constantly focusing on those who focus on the negative.
I’m convinced that the toxic, gatekeeping Star Wars fans are laughable and shouldn’t be taken seriously.
When they review bomb the wrong movies and shows en masse in their blind hatred... they end up looking goofy af.
The delusion is strong with this one the "hate" agenda makes you look goofy af most Normal people just don't like it there a toxic part of every neice you think starwars is toxic should look at anime like MHA for example 1000x worse not that it's right but Hollywood love to suck it up and virtue stand with it can't believe you people think starwars "haters" are comparable to slavers and oppressors @@RictusHolloweye
The hate for Disney Star Wars is valid, just not for petty anti woke reasons. It’s directionless, soulless, and corporate. The idea that Disney actually cares about the culture war is ridiculous. They want your money but just don’t know how to make good business decisions.
@@classicnerd5875 I'd swap "hate" with "dislike". The hate for Disney SW is based on bigotry rather than legot critique, so that's not valid.
@@ThePrinceofHisOwnKingdom Well I have grown much more dislike for the Disney canon than others reading after Legends and seeing how it compares. My once “meh I dislike it” has become more a hatred after witnessing the constant wasted potential and missed opportunities. But that’s just me.
@@classicnerd5875 opinions man, I respect yours. Tho I personally like both, Legends and Canon. I constantly go back to the Legends stuff, but also like Canon for the most part. It is hit and miss, one show is better, other is worse, but in my opinion they learned on their mistakes from the trilogy. And I like the fact that Star Wars is now alive for the wide audience, not only for those who read the books and comics.
When it comes to Acolyte itself, it was hated before people had a chance to see it. So at least some opinions are heavily biased because of political war that both sides (Disney and the audience) wage for quite some time. Tho I agree that they care about money, as they should, not about culture war, but their decisions to promote the show with ideological comments is one of the reasons why people don't even try to watch it. Honestly I expected it to be shit when I seen the trailer (looked cheap and not like SW at all)... but was quickly into it after watching, and now I simply like it and I think Ep. 5 and 6 were amazing and outstanding. 7 tho was a letdown.
I hope they will make something you will like too someday. And if not, well. Legends are so wide that I'm sure you can keep yourself occupied with it forever.
@@azk9218 My taste on canon as a whole is sour because most of what’s coming out is mediocre at best. imo of course. But I did like Clone Wars season 7, Mando 1-2, and Rouge One okay. Visions is amazing but wasn’t canon. I’m not gonna lie, there are bad legends books and games, but the overall handling of lore and character progression was treated better in that timeline. And Ahsoka’s series being the biggest “meh” (my favorite character in canon) was what did it for me.
It's sad that this cycle of hate will just continue when it comes to Star Wars, and I really try to be optimistic, but these toxic fans just make it hard.
There are plenty of SW fans who could be said to be irrationally passionate about this universe. It's almost a religion for them, whereas whatever gigantic work it is, Star Wars remains a fiction.
I tend to be a little harsh myself about the latest series and movies. My biggest problem is about Disney's way to handle things.
Not planning the entire sequel trilogy from the start was an absurd mistake.
Watching 6-8 episodes long series that have so little to tell that the content could reasonably fit into a 90-120 minutes movie is really frustrating.
But more than anything, seeing narrative choices that I later learned were made with the aim of sparking controversy among fans. What the hell is this?
It's ok if a creator doesn't try to please everyone, but WHY produce content with the PURPOSE that some people won't like it? (I'm talking in particular about Rian Johnson for The Last Jedi and Leslye Headland with The Acolyte).
Now, about The Empire Strikes Back... originally, it was my least favorite movie from the original trilogy. I didn't like it to be so much darker, i didn't like to see the invincible heroes from the first movie go through so many harsh events etc... I wanted the nice guys to always win, basically.
I ended up recognizing that it was an exceptional film, which had managed to take the perfect opposite approach to its predecessor to do even better. In some ways, my appreciation of The Last Jedi changed in a similar way, even if the trilogy still suffers from a lack of harmony.
I still love Star Wars, and i'm not one of those who say things like "it broke my childhood", about the latest content. I want Disney to make more consistent decisions and stop using this franchise for the sole purpose of making money from it.
I've been a Star Wars fan since 1977, and although I intensely hated the sequel trilogy, I have enjoyed every other Disney Star Wars project immensely. Toxic fans make me sad for many reasons, but the biggest reason is that they make it less and less likely that new Star Wars projects will even exist.
It's impossible to engage with criticism of the Acolyte since so much negative criticism of it is in bad faith.
So true, I can find a critic that I don´t know who isn´t bursting on hate being pretencious
I believe there are many channels that are giving legit criticism like Star Wars Theory and most likely (haven't checked out his videos on the topic yet) Thor Skywalker. The problem is that the other side highlights the more troll like criticism I think almost as a defense mechanism.
God bless you.
In case of toxic war, StarWars fans vs StarTrek fans, who would win? 😀
You don't even have to like Disney star wars to get the anti woke crowd angry, they're going after redlettermedia for having the audacity to say acolyte was just mid and not worth getting so upset over.
Besides a few episodes, I’m not really crazy about this series. But not because of “wokeness” or even if it messed with the cannon. I my issue is the writing and wasted potential.
The winning formula is simple: Make good content, and Star Wars fans will like it. Rogue One, Andor, the first two seasons of Mando. Acclaimed by critics and fans alike. There is FAR more toxicity within Disney at this pojnt, than within the fandom. Disney seem intent on using all of their big properties, Star Wars, Marvel, Doctor Who, as tools and platforms for shoving political messaging down our throats. They are giving that priority over writing good stories, casting good actors, hiring good directors. The agenda is taking precedence over making a good product, and consequently the products are bad. Get the DEI and the politics out of the content, get back to focusing on entertaining us. Good writing, good acting, good directing. Hiring people who are actually qualified and competent, rather than ticking boxes. Quit trying to straw man the fandom, Disney IS the problem. There are very valid reasons why the fans liked Rogue One, Andor, early Mando, and don't like these later offerings. Same thing with Marvel and Doctor Who. One of these things is not like the other. This is not rocket science, it really shouldn't be that hard to see the difference. If you really think the audience is walking away from Star Wars because they are a bunch of -ists and -phobes, then you are deluded and not paying attention.
@@station7thedoor if Disney is actually trying to boost politics, they would get good writers to do that.
So you are saying Disney should only pander to you specifically…
@@ThePrinceofHisOwnKingdom Clearly not. Also, Disney seems to think that injecting all this political virtue signaling EQUATES to good writing. The makers of The Acolyte truly believe they did a good job, that they created something great. Again, delusion. @purplelion3440 If you think keeping politics out, and having high standards for writing quality is pandering to me specifically, then you don't know what pandering is.
Tbh I was very optimistic about this show, I thought it was gonna be the Jedi we’re actually evil too, but no there still good and even the “twist” the sister did caused the fire and I thought it was the Jedi, nope Jedi are good, they do nothing wrong and I just drop the show and I’m happy this show was dumped but these “fans” should not even harassed people who worked on the show and the actors these people are weird, and I’m just gonna start liking Star Trek now. I have a valid answer for me not liking the show. I’m just falling out of love for Star Wars because of the toxicity and I can’t take it anymore.
Agree with most of your takes but I still think that the acolyte is pretty much medicore because of the writting and some acting.
Though I'm still hopeful about Star Wars and root for more animated shows
Just an FYI.. 16:56 Generation Tech only uses those titles SOMETIMES to bring people in but he's against the culture war discourse that ruins star wars.
Don't like seeing him in that screenshot but I get why he is
Im sorry the only “toxic fans” i see are the people who shame and attack people who have very valid criticisms and dislikes of the acolyte from them just hurling around the words racist,homophobia,sexism and all other woke bullshit. Some people have even resorted to calling them fake fans and even trying to de platform people who dont like the show. Imo the acolyte is the worst written,worst acted, poorly thought out,boring,no real plot having, agenda pushing,spit in the face to star wars fans. But if you like it you like it and thats fine 🤷🏾♂️by all means like it but please dont just hurl insults,death threats, and defamatory statements at people for not liking it or liking it
Most the people in the comments can't even spell the ticktock brain is real can't pay attention unless subway surfers is half the screen all this "hate" "toxic" agenda being pushed is a problem I mean all the points in the video are idiotic you know there's no proof reva received death threats these spoons will watch anything if they survived the live action remakes atrocities and phase 4 marvel slop
But there IS a lot of racism and homophobia in the fans the hate the acolyte.
Not ALL of them, but a LOT of them. People aren’t just throwing these words around lightly, it is happening.
And there’s no agenda pushing from the acolyte either.
Bro, you have a Naruto pfp. I like Naruto too. Don’t embarrass us Naruto fans with these kinds of takes 💀💀
By these standards I imagine you consider Star Wars the acolyte creators and actors to be toxic too? They certainly are not constructive in their comments about the fans, or in their diss tracks about them. Labeling anyone that dislikes their product as sexists and racists. Homophobes too... Then there's their gas lighting. Continually denying the show is political, only to have the show's creator, flat out admit months later she had decided to make a show about lgbtq characters before having though of the plot, and that central to her story, was to expose Jedi as sexists. To those who think I'm making this up, I challenge you to look it up. It's not hard to find at all.
I'm a lifelong supporter of lgbtq causes. In spirit but financially too. I was quite insulted to be called every name in the book because I thought the show was terrible. It was God awful writing. Period. There will always be bigots in any fandom, but lumping all those that dared give it the terrible rating it deserved as bigots surely contributed to the toxic atmosphere surrounding the show going both ways.