Performance absolument incroyable ! Je suis surpris, j’aurais tendance à penser Toscanini un poil rigide ici ( comme quoi les préjugés ont la vie dure ) ! Merci infiniment !
And yet, William Malloch did a survey of tempo markings left by editors/arrangers who were familiar with Haydn-- Hummel, Czerny, et al. Toscanini's Surprise was virtually the only recording of any classical symphony that met those instructions. There were many varieties of Menuets in those days, and the more rustic ones could be quite fast, and were to be counted in one, not three. (See the [scherzo] of Beethoven's first for an example.)
This has to be one of the most brutal, wrong headed, and umusical travesties I have ever heard; the tempi, with the exception of the Second Movement, are preposterously fast. As Sir Thomas Beecham remarked about Toscanini: "Bah! That bandmaster!"
@b1i2I336: Definire il Sommo Maestro parmense "direttore da banda" è sintomo inequivocabile di ignoranza e indisposizione alla musica difficilmente curabili,è più che altro anche un po' vergognoso. I più grandi direttori venuti dopo di lui hanno riconosciuto il genio interpretativo di Arturo Toscanini, da Karajan a Walter, da Ormandy a Kleiber (padre e figlio), solo per fare pochi nomi..................
@@renato45222 toscanini was one of the greatest and his beethoven 1939 cycle is one of my favorite cycles ever . But this is ... yeah not my cup of coffee haha
A phenomenal performance in true haydnian style. And the "andante" is miracolous indeed.
Performance absolument incroyable ! Je suis surpris, j’aurais tendance à penser Toscanini un poil rigide ici ( comme quoi les préjugés ont la vie dure ) ! Merci infiniment !
I guess Toscanini has to fit the movement on one side of the 78 rpm. really fast.
7:15
If I had to dance to that minuet, I would definitely get winded. I tried it at a playback speed of .75 and it sounded really good!
Even that is still fast 🤣
And yet, William Malloch did a survey of tempo markings left by editors/arrangers who were familiar with Haydn-- Hummel, Czerny, et al. Toscanini's Surprise was virtually the only recording of any classical symphony that met those instructions. There were many varieties of Menuets in those days, and the more rustic ones could be quite fast, and were to be counted in one, not three. (See the [scherzo] of Beethoven's first for an example.)
Wow! Tempo! Amazing!Did someone did faster recording speed?
The most ridiculous overly caffenated performance ever!
Exactly!!!
This has to be one of the most brutal, wrong headed, and umusical travesties I have ever heard; the tempi, with the exception of the Second Movement, are preposterously fast. As Sir Thomas Beecham remarked about Toscanini: "Bah! That bandmaster!"
Beecham capisce poco di musica.... figuriamoci di Toscanini
Sorry, you don’t have the least idea of what you are speaking about. A pity.
@b1i2I336: Definire il Sommo Maestro parmense "direttore da banda" è sintomo inequivocabile di ignoranza e indisposizione alla musica difficilmente curabili,è più che altro anche un po' vergognoso. I più grandi direttori venuti dopo di lui hanno riconosciuto il genio interpretativo di Arturo Toscanini, da Karajan a Walter, da Ormandy a Kleiber (padre e figlio), solo per fare pochi nomi..................
@@renato45222 toscanini was one of the greatest and his beethoven 1939 cycle is one of my favorite cycles ever . But this is ... yeah not my cup of coffee haha
Agreed!!
Toscanini always looks as though he has a toothache.
A phenomenal performance in true haydnian style. And the "andante" is miracolous indeed.