I saw soloturk 2 weeks ago at sanicole airshow in belgium. Highly skilled pilot. Gave a great performance. What ever the case may be in this situation i’m glad that no one got hurt.
The F-16, which was giving reverse control due to a malfunction in its flight control computer, was towed to the hangar for examination after this event. Absolutely pilot skills saved people.
Hi people. I am from Adana and I was there during this Solotürk show. Including me no one thought there was something wrong. We thouht it was just part of the show.
The translation says: "The F-16, which was giving reverse control due to a malfunction in its flight control computer, was towed to the hangar for examination."...
This information is correct. The pilot did not make a mistake, on the contrary, he saved the out-of-control aircraft and the lives of the people watching the show.
I worked 10 years on the F-16 and can count on one hand how many uncommanded flight manevuers I've seen, even in flight test. Only one was caused by a mechanical problem.
I worked F-16 for longer than that and I have to agree. I've seen a good number of things get blamed on actuators that wound up not being the case because the program office wants to dump it on somebody else to investigate and a system problem can be a bear to root out. Their life is easy if they can say, "The problem is your box, go fix your box, then come back and brief us on what you did to fix your box." Example: I've seen three cases where the tail starts to shake violently enough that the pilot can feel it at Mach 0.92 and above (right at the speed where aerodynamic flutter becomes significant, hmmmm...) and they try to blame it on the tail ISA, I even got Go-Pro and HUD video one time. The ISA is hydraulically driven and takes about 1/2 second to move from full-deflection to center, so there's no way that a dithering ISA is going to induce a vibration like that. All three times over 15 years, the problem wound up being that the tail was replaced but all the attach fasteners were only finger-tight.
@@Skank_and_Gutterboy Sorry, but to make a long story short. Some a-hole took a shortcut. That's happening all the time. It sucks. and I'm sorry. I'm retired for about 20 years, so I don't know about USAF, or ANG. But most NATO partners I have worked with are operating way older airframes and they are fine! :)
@@crankshaft99k85 Absolutely. My only point is that people (in my example, program office bureaucrats) try to blame a system transient or actuator because it's easy. This kind of thing stands out because it's done right so often that it becomes easy to forget how hard it is to do it right.
@@Skank_and_GutterboyNobody works on aircraft for 15 years in the USAF. You get about 6-10 tops then you are riding an office desk yelling at kids for phones making noise during formation.
@@Skank_and_Gutterboy Fair! Program office bureaucrats, or bureaucrats in general are frustrating. I know we need them but, maybe they took a bit too much. Most officers are basically HR persons nowadays.
I was there to watch the show. He completed his show, but after that day, the other pilot went on flying for the next 4 days. It was on the second day of a six-day aviation and science festival. Normally, he is the number two pilot. The next days till the end of festival, the leader pilot flew for 4 days.
@@richardhockey8442 No, he is under investigation, pretty normal procedure as they are trying to pinpoint the reason for the error if it is due to malfunction or due to pilot mishap. It is the same procedure for any near accidents or accidents.
Their displays are impressive, but time and again it appears poor judgement is exercised. SoloTurk was at RIAT (Fairford Airshow) this year - and received two knock it offs from the display director for violations from their 3 displays over the 3 days. 1st for not following their pre-approved display sequence; 2nd for repeated crowd line infringements. A few years ago at the Turkish Formula Un (2021 maybe) they got far too low on a flyby of the grid. There was also the ultra-low boat pass that you and Gonky covered on an early episode of M&G show. Now this wing rock episode. That’s all the hallmarks of a culture there - and it’s sad as their displays are already great and don’t need this shithousery along with it. I’ve no doubt the pilot had no intention of having a near miss with the crowd. But the wing rock seems very exaggerated; gets away from him and causes this.
Yeah, was looking for this comment (was gonna make the same comment). I hope that the hard bank to the left was to not (further) violate any airspace restrictions, but this cultural thing (I immediately thought "Hang on, wasn't it the Turks who did that ultra-low boat pass?") makes me worry he may have felt some instant need to bluff: "I meant that" … Obviously, I have no idea - we'll have to wait for the incident report - but it almost appears that way … 😕
Maybe the Turks are not that well disciplined in their air force, seems to be a history of failing flight safety standards. You don't Fk up at RIAT and get away with it!
Was there too watching the Sunday show towards the the East end of the show ground. He came extremely close if not over the crowd line and the show seemed a bit anticlimactic. Obviously now has a history of violations.
Funny, Euros always say the US Military's air show performances are boring. I guess, they expect a lot more risk, while also failing to understand the whole point of an air show. This guy came very close to a Ramstein airshow accident repeat. Italians are also too risk happy. Oh well, the locals seen what they think was a really awesome barrel roll. Priorities.
Thanks, Mover. One thought about the guy potentially “filming his own death”. I think civilians have been told so often how safe flying is, how every mishap improves safety, and in the world of air shows in particular, with all the crazy acrobatics that are done, that we’re simply lulled into apathy about the danger. Personally, watching a Raptor go vertical is thrilling but I’m terrified of the small biplane acrobat stunts. I think we’ve gotten so used to seeing mil jets do some amazing things - I likely wouldn’t have realized the danger here, myself. That’s why your perspective is so appreciated.
Everyone is filming everything these days. From the most mundane things to active shooter situations with bullets flying past. In my opinion its not about the public thinking flying is safe it's due to a cell phone addiction.
@@samuraidriver4x4 maybe. But all the years I’ve been going to air shows, more than 20 now, I have always tried to capture it on film because it’s so spectacular to see a mil jet fly, not something a lot of civilians see up close unless you live near a base.
@@samuraidriver4x4 I don't think it's that. I think it's more likely they're just at an airshow and filming. If this video title didn't reference the F-16 nearly crashing into the crowd, you'd likely be in a similar frame of mind. Just watching a cool airshow and filming it to watch later. You aren't going to suspect something's going wrong until that plane's already seconds from the crowd. You can even notice some of the people in frame who kind of flinch as their brains do the math on the plane potentially heading towards them, but they freeze up for that split second, possibly because they're in a crowd and just naturally feel a little safer, combined with the "I'm at an organized airshow with professional pilots, what could happen?".
@@aaronwhite1786 I hardly ever film stuff anyway, rather enjoy watching something normally instead of on a screen. Recently we had the last Dc-3 in my country fly over on its last flight ever before going into a museum and I didn't film it but just enjoyed the moment of seeing and hearing it. Plenty of other people with much better equipment that are filming then me with a cellphone. Besides that, got apache's, chinooks, nh90's and f35's fly straight over my house pretty much twice a week or more. No more F16'S as they are now officially no longer in service here.
Performance of the Pilot was very speedy and very very well, Even if it was due to pilot error. I heard from authorities that there was not a pilot errors. But there is not official statement yet in 2024.21.10 Anywhere I proud of pilot's amazing manuver.
I once stood on an earth bank at the UK Silverstone F1 Grand Prix. The red arrows did one of their displays using the old main runway as their primary sightline. One of the solo aircraft pulled out of a synchronised head-on roll a fraction nose-low. Two seconds later I was processing just how close the belly of the plane [so long ago it was a Folland Gnat] had been to the top of my head as the recovery trajectory, strikingly similar to this one, played out. In both cases it looked like pilot error followed by brilliant decision-making under pressure. I hope they let him keep flying because he is never, ever going to do that again.
I agree. All too often the system used to deal with pilots (and people in general) is what I call PBP (personify, blame, and punish) when that's usually not the best system. This guy will be an expert on why you don't do this, how not to get into this situation, and will tell all his pilot buddies how/why you don't do this.
@@Skank_and_Gutterboy Yep. You have to look into the circumstances of each case and make a mature judgement on the pilot themselves. If this was a one-off pilot problem, they should have learned a lesson that means they could well be one of the safest pilots in the fleet in future. Maybe not the ideal way to learn a lesson, but they tend to stick! On the other hand you do have to keep an eye out for the arrogant and dangerous pilots who will never learn until they kill people (and themselves) - see the 1994 Fairchild B-52 crash. It must be a tough call in air forces at times. You want people who will push the limits, maybe break them when needed, because that is what is needed at times. However, as someone who has worked in quality control for the last 30 years, if you are in an organisation, you know who are the sensible limit pushers and who are the arrogant a**holes. That's why heads rolled after the Fairchild B-52 crash - it went beyond pilot issues.
Check your shorts moment for the pilot, but “WOW that was cool” for the crowd. It’s better to not know how close they came to ending up part of the mishap report.
I've seen the Solo Turk demo a few times and they fly really hard almost every time. In Poland almost everyone remembers their show during Radom AirShow 2013 where it was really rough. That's why in my opinion there was no fault there, only pilot error. Fortunately, no one got hurt. Best regards from Poland Mover
This is the youtube video of the year for me. Thank you. What a save. Can you image being on the ground brave enough to watch the jet come at you and save it. Best adrenaline rush ever.
Found this on the web….. make sense to you ?? In the F-16 the way the FLCS works is it tries to keep you rolling around the longitudinal flight vector, rather than the aircraft longitudinal axis. That means the more AoA you have when you start an aileron roll (later stick input), the more your nose will rotate off-plane and potentially make you end up pointing below the horizon. For this reason it’s important to cancel out any significant AoA before making an aileron roll (unless of course you want to make a loaded roll). I think his mistake was that he was pulling out of a loop and still had significant AoA in when he started to roll, ended up with the nose pointing at the ground and was cold blooded enough to save it.
I totally agree with everything except he was cold blooded enough to save it. I'm sorry but that was luck and at that point once inverted at that altitude he couldn't say bye bye cockpit or he would have died and by the time the jet was back upright he was flying out of it. Thankfully no one was killed and no f16 lost but in this case I don't believe it was anything more than luck he had enough just enough altitude that he just hit them with jet blast rather than the jet. There was definitely some burnt eye brows in that crowd lol.
wrote: "Found this on the web….. make sense to you ?? In the F-16 the way the FLCS works is it tries to keep you rolling around the longitudinal flight vector, rather than the aircraft longitudinal axis. That means the more AoA you have when you start an aileron roll (later stick input), the more your nose will rotate off-plane and potentially make you end up pointing below the horizon. For this reason it’s important to cancel out any significant AoA before making an aileron roll (unless of course you want to make a loaded roll)." -- It doesn't sounds like this explanation was written by pilot... I can't speak for military maneuvering terminology, maybe Mover can cheap-in and strait it out, but phrase "longitudinal flight vector" made me cringe and think hard about what you(or whoever you trying to make sense here) - there are three directional axis, about which aircraft maneuvering: Longitudinal, Lateral and Vertical - or simpler way to call in pilot lingo - Roll, Pitch and Yaw. Pitch does control AoA, but its about increasing or decreasing AoA, but not canceling AoA. And there is no need to cancel per say. Same for a phrase "aileron roll (later stick input)" - "later stick input" does not make sense in this situation, since aileron roll is actually a "lateral" stick input, and in a context would make more sense. "Loaded Roll" too - is that a barrel roll!? IDK, most likely.
If you get a chance, watch his performance at this years RIAT airshow 2024. He was doing extreme maneuvers such as full left and right rudder deflections, at 350-400 knots on straight line followed by full deflections for every move. He was trying to show dominance of the Turkish airforce compared to other airforce performances. He really has been extreme in his application of movements in his flight control surfaces. Performances such as these are what could bring an end to close airshows.
There have been instances where, on the analog FLCS, the ECA and FLCP have different software causing un expect roll behavior. Without any failure notices. The DFLCS COMBINED THE ECA LOGINC INTO THE DFCP.
Completely agree. All my F-16 time is in block 30s and 40s and that sure looks like he got some unexpected roll coupling due to being a little too aggressive with the wing waggle at low speed/ high AOA. If he had a FCS issue the last time you ever want to do after recovery is go straight into a high bank maneuver. Declare an IFE, fly S&L and try to figure out how much control you still have ...
Hey! I was there on that day! this was a new pilot to SoloTürk with his first flight. the pilot never went over the crowd line, it was always parallel. the second POV we're seeing is the exit / entrance, its angled towards the runway.
Thanks, Mover! Whatever the final report says happened, I agree with your analysis. Rocking the wings, over rolled, and went all the way through to recover and GTFO of dodge!
Ive seen Solo Turk conduct displays in Northern Cyprus serval times and generally there is little regard for safety when it comes to how they treat buildings and crowds.
@@RedTail1-1 You care about people losing their lives? Maybe you should direct your great comments to those taking the lives of hundreds of women and children in Palestine everyday!
@@cantari5667 Was wondering who would make this inane comment, you are the Winner. Coming into random UA-cam flying videos and talking about middle east politics is so 2023.
Camera man definitely had nerves of steel. Years ago I was filming a mama moose in Yellowstone with a crowd around her. Through the view finder I watched her lay her ears back, get an angry expression on her face, and charge the crowd! I thought, wow! Bet I got some good video there.” No. Reviewing showed as soon as she laid her ears back, I was running. Lol😂
Don't know why people think it's such a great idea to form crowds around wild animals.. The footage I see from Yellowstone always makes me sick in so many ways.
Really informative video thankyou. I do remember when we were at RIAT this year he went way over the display line having just broken out of cloud after a cuban. So glad this turned out to be a near miss. I hope the investigation brings to light exactly what happened. Take care.
This mistake proves he's a great pilot, ironically. Gave those fans a hell of a show, and he learned to add to future flights, so this doesn't happen again.
Pilot started a slow right roll; switches to a faster left roll; meanwhile the nose is dropping and there's a hesitation when inverted, (making up his mind what to do?) continues the left roll to level and pulls out. I think the pilot got off his show routine....if there was one.
From what I've been reading about these guys from those who've witnessed their demonstrations. They just do whatever they want to whenever they feel like it. One person mentioned a pilot being reprimanded repeatedly for deviating from the planned demonstration and violating safety protocols.
i am tuekish and i discussed this with tweeter users. All says flight control problem plane is having and route to hangar .i was thinking it seems it doesn't flight control. Beacsue after recovery turn left . So most probably less awareness while rolling
The left and right leading edges of an F-16 are mechanically linked. When the link breaks you get a assym LEF light. The flaps would be braked and no longer move.
The Turkish media and social media have praised this and that’s exactly where the problem lies. Unfortunately, we Turks often make unnecessary mistakes because we are overly confident... People were lucky this time, but those who died in the earthquake were victims of the same kind of poor management and lack of oversight. It’s mind-boggling to see so much risk taken just for show and even more shocking that people are proud of it...
Thanks for the analysis, Mover. I don’t believe there was a technical issue, as they flew again in the show the following day. Some news sources mentioned that an investigation was underway to check for any technical problems, but this save seemed purely coincidental-thankfully, the pilot managed to recover. We'll probably never know if there was an investigation, as it’s likely an internal matter. However, I don’t think there were any restrictions limiting the aircraft's movement. They definitely issued NOTAMs that day, as the area is close to Incirlik Air Base and a regional airport. Regardless, they should be more careful.
@@ghs01965 There are actually three of them: 88-0021 and 88-0026, both F-16 Block-30TM models, and 88-0025 in grey according to Wikipedia. It’s hard to tell which one was used in this case. The squadron leader, Major, flew two day in row according to Instagram stories. Actually they have great and dedicated Media and Public Relations team of two, I am not quite sure why they are not explaining such things. I mean watch the video, it is worth to talk about.
Not everywhere. Back in the 80s I regularly attended the Blue Angels at Mira Mar. The flight path of ANY aircraft was always in line with the runway, or, separated from the crowd to avoid these sorts of mishaps. Didn't matter if it was an A6, F4, F18, glider, bi-plane, whatever. No one ever died.
That 2nd video nearly didn't happen. Not knowing anything about jets, but being inverted would the wings be creating downforce instead of lift, and normally be counteracted by input of the elevator? Would this be the elevator input not being applied? Main thing is everyone went home that day
F-16 FBW operates at 1G without stick input, so indeed inverted it would point its nose to the ground. dont think only pushing the stick would have had enough authority to prevent a crash here.
That low and that fast, the brain is just not fast enough to beat physics. I think that the pilot was fortunate to be able to finish the roll and pull to the limiter a split second before hitting the ground. The sky is not the limit.....the ground is!
Performance of the Pilot was very speedy and very very well, Even if it was due to pilot error. I heard from authorities that there was not a pilot errors. But there is not official statement yet in 2024.21.10 Anywhere I proud of pilot's amazing manuver.
Yeah that was the fault of the stick grip actuator right there. That was no more than 1-2 seconds away from a crashed into the audience bird. Also Mover the assymetry brakes on the LEF aren't going to allow them to get out of whack by much before it physically locked the LEF in position. Also for the fact something would have to be majorly wrong physically with the system for them to even go assymetrical in the first place. If it had that pilot would have been required to land the aircraft immediately. LEF issues are exceedingly rare.
It looks this was not the actual crowd area but more of a transit/walk towards the crowd area. This can happen in the UK as well with spotter/aviation lovers standing outside the crowd area outside the base or something like this.
Do we have any information on how the investigation of this incident is going for the Turkish pilot? It would be good to get some current information...
I make (recreational)drones,so....question!...check the stick movement against the blackbox log on the Roll and Pitch...did they follow his stick movements?
I know next to nothing about how the Viper control response is, but I’d venture a guess that his decision to continue the left roll then pull out saved the situation. If he had tried to correct back to the right that few factions of a second would have put him into the crowd.
I thought that after the disaster at Ramstein Air Base in Germany in 1988 (which killed over 70 people),, flying directly over the heads of the crowds was disallowed at air displays.
Reminds me of that Tomcat scene in the movie Final Countdown where the F-14 does a shrieking recovery above the water line. Any chance we can get HUD footage and radio comms from the incident? 🤓
An electrical failure is extremely remote. The FCS is quad redundant. The Flight Control Computer is four independent units in one box, each with its own connector. The same is true for the axis gyros, one set of four for each axis.
If you watch the crowd where he pulled out of it a little girl holding he moms hand tried to pull he mom away, all be it in the wrong direction, she as a child knew something wasn't right. The adults.... not so much.🤔
almost looks like an accelerated stall? would the F-16 Fly by wire prevent that? He was rocking the wings Aggresively, and looked like he was pulling too, not just wing wagging.
I think there are procedures for placement of spectators during airshows and strict adherence to distance from the crowd. The crowd is normally on one side of flight path. Why there was crowd in front when he recovered from the roll?
There is information on the Internet that the Turkish demo team flies F-16 block 40 machines. And not Block 30, as CW Lemoine claims here. So how is it?
I'm lost on how rolling about 225 degrees is more efficient than rolling the roughly 135 degrees back upgright from that overbank. He paused at the overbank so there shouldn't have been any roll inertia. Can someone ELI5?
Yep! I think you hit the nail on the head! With just the video at hand, and with little information that you have, I think it's a pretty good assessment! At first, I thought the pilot was trying to do an aleron roll, and pulled back while inverted by accident, but watching over and over, looks more like an over bank that got away from him...Lucky, lucky, lucky, for everyone there! 😮
I've seen other angles from this airshow, and it looks he was trying to do a full 360 roll but stopped halfway through. Could be him trying to do a inverted pass at too low altitude or the FLCS malfunctioning
The aircraft was not actually fly over the crowd or crowd line, that area is a car park with people coming and going, so technically not part of the display line. The wing waggle he did to end the display was either excessive,or their was a problem with the fly-by wire system, a roll at such low altitude is asking for trouble, but I don`t believe it was intentional.
It was last week while I was in the area, didn't visit the event but saw the planes (also the F5 demo team) fly in the area. The event was on the old Adana airport (closed in August for domestic flights, those are now from Cukurova airport half an hour outside the city) which is basically inside the city itself. Houses and businesses all around. There was one guy with a flight suit each morning in our hotel at breakfast. Not sure if a stunt team pilot would go to the breakfast in an overall but it was special to see. Also close by is Incirlik Air Force base (also still for Nato if I'm right)
With regards to the hard bank immediately after a potential equipment malfunction, does anyone know the layout of the surrounding area? Was it possible his initial flight direction was into a populated area, and he swung it around to point at water/farmland/etc. so he could bail without endangering anyone on the ground?
I was a civilian pilot with zero military time but could he have not have stopped the roll and poled forward when inverted to gain some height and then gone right way up? How close do you think the high speed stall was when the jet mushed during the pull out?
It's impossible to say just from the video, but the response of the aircraft almost makes it look like he caught some ground-effect. He's definitely a couple of meters too tall for the GE you'd typically having at landing speeds/attitude, but at higher speeds with all the air he's bending down with that inside aileron coming through the roll - he definitely blew some people's hats off.
And before someone mentions that the inside aileron is the aileron deflecting up... I'm talking about when he's finishing the roll (so the part where he's inverted)
Absolutely terrifying, that man and crowd was literally one or two tenths of a second from death. If he delayed anything he did 2 tenths of a second this video made me get chills! Excellent break down Mover.
Mover, real question because you have flown many hours in these military aircraft. If there was an actual flight control issue would a pilot go 70 to 80 degree bank left after the save or would training say go wings level and get altitude? Edit: ok never mind you answered shortly after I typed this lol
Performance of the Pilot was very speedy and very very well, Even if it was due to pilot error. I heard from authorities that there was not a pilot errors. But there is not official statement yet in 2024.21.10 Anywhere I proud of pilot's amazing manuver.
I’ve got to say I saw Solo Türk at RIAT this year and his manoeuvres are a bit “fly it like you stole it”. Accident or not glad he recovered and saved many lives
The first video that he shows titled "Soloturk excited the crowd in Adana. The plane is under inspection by experts" It looks like there's a mechanical fault.
Based on first official announcement, during the greeting flight, the pilot gives control the right first and then left but because of a possibility of a malfunction or delay in fly by wire system, the plane continue to have a full turn. However, they are still investigating and it was not an intentional move.
@@Wannes_ It was a wanna be X-47B. The USAF shot down an MQ-9 over Afghanistan once, because it lost contact and was flying off in the direction of another country's airspace.
@@CWLemoine thanks, and great. 1000h in a Viper is time well spend. Anyway I really had a question, or a thing I wanted to say. But I'm old and I forgot. Sorry!
So....I understand that aircraft maneuvers have to contend with various aerodynamic forces on top of gravitational forces. And I understand gravity played a big role in this instance as the aircraft sank very low as the roll was completing. But often I've seen aircraft doing a barell roll and maintain altitude, no sink at all. The aircraft just rotates on its centerline axis. (The scene from Top Gun in which during training at Top Gun school as the F-14s drop in behind the smaller "enemy" jet (A4 sky hawk?) the smaller jet immediately does a quick roll before exiting stage left) comes to mind. Is that due to the higher speed and resulting higher aerodynamic forces generated by the flight control surfaces countering gravity or is it more just the pilot purposefully flying the aircraft in a manner to remain "on axis/elevation" ? In other words, could the featured pilot here have barrell rolled without sinking at that speed if executed differently or would it require more speed perhaps? I'm not sure I'm properly conveying my question. I guess to simplify, could that aircraft have done a barrel roll without dropping in elevation at all or is it just the physics involved causing it to drop? Any pilot input is welcome. Thank you.
Soloturk pilots always do these types of crazy stunts. They've done it for years. Although, on this occasion it was announced that there was a mechanical problem that made it 'closer' than it should have been, but if you look at some of their previous works, they love to give people a scare with extremely close fly-bys. I don't see the issue, no one got hurt. You go to a flight show, you get a flight show.
I just had a tank slapper off of a 130 mph wheelie! But that pilot definitely has the SAVE of the Century! 💪🏾. His nerves are connected through Unobtanium!
Camera man never dies, he saved everyone.
😂 This actually made me laugh, camera man never dies
Ramstein proves you wrong
That is Germany those rules do not apply.
Damn, you beat me too it, I was coming down to write this exact comment. 😂👍💯
Alec Baldwin disagrees
I saw soloturk 2 weeks ago at sanicole airshow in belgium. Highly skilled pilot. Gave a great performance. What ever the case may be in this situation i’m glad that no one got hurt.
Hurt? Hundreds almost died.
@@Kazuya720calm down nobody got hurt. (Except the ears maybe)
@@Kazuya720 Turks are the best of the best and uncomparable. Got it ?
@@mehmetnabi9714 HAHA!!!! Your so funny... Mr. Turkey Comedian :D
The F-16, which was giving reverse control due to a malfunction in its flight control computer, was towed to the hangar for examination after this event. Absolutely pilot skills saved people.
doesn't make any sense
Hi people. I am from Adana and I was there during this Solotürk show. Including me no one thought there was something wrong. We thouht it was just part of the show.
The second angle is crazy because that would be the path of destruction if the crash were to happen.
im sayin impact point!
He got some hairs standing up, for sure, first from the jetwash and then the realization hiw close people were habing a Viper on their lap.
The translation says: "The F-16, which was giving reverse control due to a malfunction in its flight control computer, was towed to the hangar for examination."...
This information is correct. The pilot did not make a mistake, on the contrary, he saved the out-of-control aircraft and the lives of the people watching the show.
I worked 10 years on the F-16 and can count on one hand how many uncommanded flight manevuers I've seen, even in flight test. Only one was caused by a mechanical problem.
I worked F-16 for longer than that and I have to agree. I've seen a good number of things get blamed on actuators that wound up not being the case because the program office wants to dump it on somebody else to investigate and a system problem can be a bear to root out. Their life is easy if they can say, "The problem is your box, go fix your box, then come back and brief us on what you did to fix your box." Example: I've seen three cases where the tail starts to shake violently enough that the pilot can feel it at Mach 0.92 and above (right at the speed where aerodynamic flutter becomes significant, hmmmm...) and they try to blame it on the tail ISA, I even got Go-Pro and HUD video one time. The ISA is hydraulically driven and takes about 1/2 second to move from full-deflection to center, so there's no way that a dithering ISA is going to induce a vibration like that. All three times over 15 years, the problem wound up being that the tail was replaced but all the attach fasteners were only finger-tight.
@@Skank_and_Gutterboy Sorry, but to make a long story short. Some a-hole took a shortcut. That's happening all the time. It sucks. and I'm sorry. I'm retired for about 20 years, so I don't know about USAF, or ANG. But most NATO partners I have worked with are operating way older airframes and they are fine! :)
@@crankshaft99k85
Absolutely. My only point is that people (in my example, program office bureaucrats) try to blame a system transient or actuator because it's easy. This kind of thing stands out because it's done right so often that it becomes easy to forget how hard it is to do it right.
@@Skank_and_GutterboyNobody works on aircraft for 15 years in the USAF. You get about 6-10 tops then you are riding an office desk yelling at kids for phones making noise during formation.
@@Skank_and_Gutterboy Fair! Program office bureaucrats, or bureaucrats in general are frustrating. I know we need them but, maybe they took a bit too much. Most officers are basically HR persons nowadays.
I’m sure there were folks in the crowd absolutely loving it.
They sure as heck aren't gonna ever forget that! lol
Not gonna lie i would totally pay to have a fighter jet almost give me a buzz cut and singe my brows with Afterburner
@@kevinm.n.5158 but not in an out of control manner
Lots of poop filled pants! Hahahaha
In the same way as thrill rides and scary movies. You're just thankful to be ok at the end.
I was there to watch the show. He completed his show, but after that day, the other pilot went on flying for the next 4 days. It was on the second day of a six-day aviation and science festival. Normally, he is the number two pilot. The next days till the end of festival, the leader pilot flew for 4 days.
Probably got reprimanded for reckless flying.
he discovered the joys of flying a mop and bucket for the rest of his abridged career
He got a chance 😂
@@richardhockey8442 No, he is under investigation, pretty normal procedure as they are trying to pinpoint the reason for the error if it is due to malfunction or due to pilot mishap. It is the same procedure for any near accidents or accidents.
@@mevaclk01 Binbaşı Yasin DİKKULE ne zamandır astronot?
Insane safe, thank God the pilot managed to save it!
I have seen the solotürk displays in person a couple years ago. It was more on the bold side...
Their displays are impressive, but time and again it appears poor judgement is exercised.
SoloTurk was at RIAT (Fairford Airshow) this year - and received two knock it offs from the display director for violations from their 3 displays over the 3 days. 1st for not following their pre-approved display sequence; 2nd for repeated crowd line infringements. A few years ago at the Turkish Formula Un (2021 maybe) they got far too low on a flyby of the grid. There was also the ultra-low boat pass that you and Gonky covered on an early episode of M&G show. Now this wing rock episode.
That’s all the hallmarks of a culture there - and it’s sad as their displays are already great and don’t need this shithousery along with it.
I’ve no doubt the pilot had no intention of having a near miss with the crowd. But the wing rock seems very exaggerated; gets away from him and causes this.
Yeah, was looking for this comment (was gonna make the same comment). I hope that the hard bank to the left was to not (further) violate any airspace restrictions, but this cultural thing (I immediately thought "Hang on, wasn't it the Turks who did that ultra-low boat pass?") makes me worry he may have felt some instant need to bluff: "I meant that" … Obviously, I have no idea - we'll have to wait for the incident report - but it almost appears that way … 😕
Maybe the Turks are not that well disciplined in their air force, seems to be a history of failing flight safety standards.
You don't Fk up at RIAT and get away with it!
Was there too watching the Sunday show towards the the East end of the show ground. He came extremely close if not over the crowd line and the show seemed a bit anticlimactic. Obviously now has a history of violations.
Absolutely the culture. Kuwaitis pilots get overly cocky with their inexperienced wingmen, too.
Funny, Euros always say the US Military's air show performances are boring. I guess, they expect a lot more risk, while also failing to understand the whole point of an air show.
This guy came very close to a Ramstein airshow accident repeat. Italians are also too risk happy.
Oh well, the locals seen what they think was a really awesome barrel roll. Priorities.
Thanks, Mover. One thought about the guy potentially “filming his own death”. I think civilians have been told so often how safe flying is, how every mishap improves safety, and in the world of air shows in particular, with all the crazy acrobatics that are done, that we’re simply lulled into apathy about the danger. Personally, watching a Raptor go vertical is thrilling but I’m terrified of the small biplane acrobat stunts. I think we’ve gotten so used to seeing mil jets do some amazing things - I likely wouldn’t have realized the danger here, myself. That’s why your perspective is so appreciated.
Everyone is filming everything these days.
From the most mundane things to active shooter situations with bullets flying past.
In my opinion its not about the public thinking flying is safe it's due to a cell phone addiction.
@@samuraidriver4x4 maybe. But all the years I’ve been going to air shows, more than 20 now, I have always tried to capture it on film because it’s so spectacular to see a mil jet fly, not something a lot of civilians see up close unless you live near a base.
@@samuraidriver4x4 I don't think it's that.
I think it's more likely they're just at an airshow and filming. If this video title didn't reference the F-16 nearly crashing into the crowd, you'd likely be in a similar frame of mind. Just watching a cool airshow and filming it to watch later. You aren't going to suspect something's going wrong until that plane's already seconds from the crowd. You can even notice some of the people in frame who kind of flinch as their brains do the math on the plane potentially heading towards them, but they freeze up for that split second, possibly because they're in a crowd and just naturally feel a little safer, combined with the "I'm at an organized airshow with professional pilots, what could happen?".
@@aaronwhite1786 I hardly ever film stuff anyway, rather enjoy watching something normally instead of on a screen.
Recently we had the last Dc-3 in my country fly over on its last flight ever before going into a museum and I didn't film it but just enjoyed the moment of seeing and hearing it.
Plenty of other people with much better equipment that are filming then me with a cellphone.
Besides that, got apache's, chinooks, nh90's and f35's fly straight over my house pretty much twice a week or more.
No more F16'S as they are now officially no longer in service here.
i don't think running would do any good once you realize what happens
Even if it comes to be pilot error, the fact he recognized it and corrected so quickly to get throttle up and pull out is still impressive
Performance of the Pilot was very speedy and very very well, Even if it was due to pilot error. I heard from authorities that there was not a pilot errors. But there is not official statement yet in 2024.21.10
Anywhere I proud of pilot's amazing manuver.
His other choice was to eject mid-roll and dig his own grave with his helmet.
What would have been impressive is if had not made the bad mistake to begin with.
Knowing how Turks are, this was part of the show, a normal day.
I once stood on an earth bank at the UK Silverstone F1 Grand Prix. The red arrows did one of their displays using the old main runway as their primary sightline. One of the solo aircraft pulled out of a synchronised head-on roll a fraction nose-low. Two seconds later I was processing just how close the belly of the plane [so long ago it was a Folland Gnat] had been to the top of my head as the recovery trajectory, strikingly similar to this one, played out. In both cases it looked like pilot error followed by brilliant decision-making under pressure. I hope they let him keep flying because he is never, ever going to do that again.
I agree. All too often the system used to deal with pilots (and people in general) is what I call PBP (personify, blame, and punish) when that's usually not the best system. This guy will be an expert on why you don't do this, how not to get into this situation, and will tell all his pilot buddies how/why you don't do this.
@@Skank_and_Gutterboy Yep. You have to look into the circumstances of each case and make a mature judgement on the pilot themselves. If this was a one-off pilot problem, they should have learned a lesson that means they could well be one of the safest pilots in the fleet in future. Maybe not the ideal way to learn a lesson, but they tend to stick!
On the other hand you do have to keep an eye out for the arrogant and dangerous pilots who will never learn until they kill people (and themselves) - see the 1994 Fairchild B-52 crash.
It must be a tough call in air forces at times. You want people who will push the limits, maybe break them when needed, because that is what is needed at times. However, as someone who has worked in quality control for the last 30 years, if you are in an organisation, you know who are the sensible limit pushers and who are the arrogant a**holes. That's why heads rolled after the Fairchild B-52 crash - it went beyond pilot issues.
@@javelinXH992
Exactly.
Check your shorts moment for the pilot, but “WOW that was cool” for the crowd. It’s better to not know how close they came to ending up part of the mishap report.
I've seen the Solo Turk demo a few times and they fly really hard almost every time. In Poland almost everyone remembers their show during Radom AirShow 2013 where it was really rough. That's why in my opinion there was no fault there, only pilot error. Fortunately, no one got hurt. Best regards from Poland Mover
Mam nadzieję że nikt od naszych nie zaprosi Turków do Radomia. Chyba że na wystawę statyczną
@@paulinagabrys8874 lmao good one (saying this as a Turk)
@@paulinagabrys8874 ja akurat mam nadzieje że jednak polata SoloTurk w Radomiu ;-)
Hi to Poland from USA (as a Turk :D)
@@ozgurugur7609 hi to poland from canada (as a turk)
This is the youtube video of the year for me. Thank you. What a save. Can you image being on the ground brave enough to watch the jet come at you and save it. Best adrenaline rush ever.
Found this on the web….. make sense to you ??
In the F-16 the way the FLCS works is it tries to keep you rolling around the longitudinal flight vector, rather than the aircraft longitudinal axis.
That means the more AoA you have when you start an aileron roll (later stick input), the more your nose will rotate off-plane and potentially make you end up pointing below the horizon.
For this reason it’s important to cancel out any significant AoA before making an aileron roll (unless of course you want to make a loaded roll).
I think his mistake was that he was pulling out of a loop and still had significant AoA in when he started to roll, ended up with the nose pointing at the ground and was cold blooded enough to save it.
I think that's called "making excuses".
Make sense
I totally agree with everything except he was cold blooded enough to save it. I'm sorry but that was luck and at that point once inverted at that altitude he couldn't say bye bye cockpit or he would have died and by the time the jet was back upright he was flying out of it. Thankfully no one was killed and no f16 lost but in this case I don't believe it was anything more than luck he had enough just enough altitude that he just hit them with jet blast rather than the jet. There was definitely some burnt eye brows in that crowd lol.
Except that he was clearly not pulling out of a loop in the footage.
wrote: "Found this on the web….. make sense to you ??
In the F-16 the way the FLCS works is it tries to keep you rolling around the longitudinal flight vector, rather than the aircraft longitudinal axis.
That means the more AoA you have when you start an aileron roll (later stick input), the more your nose will rotate off-plane and potentially make you end up pointing below the horizon.
For this reason it’s important to cancel out any significant AoA before making an aileron roll (unless of course you want to make a loaded roll)."
-- It doesn't sounds like this explanation was written by pilot... I can't speak for military maneuvering terminology, maybe Mover can cheap-in and strait it out, but phrase "longitudinal flight vector" made me cringe and think hard about what you(or whoever you trying to make sense here) - there are three directional axis, about which aircraft maneuvering: Longitudinal, Lateral and Vertical - or simpler way to call in pilot lingo - Roll, Pitch and Yaw. Pitch does control AoA, but its about increasing or decreasing AoA, but not canceling AoA. And there is no need to cancel per say. Same for a phrase "aileron roll (later stick input)" - "later stick input" does not make sense in this situation, since aileron roll is actually a "lateral" stick input, and in a context would make more sense. "Loaded Roll" too - is that a barrel roll!? IDK, most likely.
If you get a chance, watch his performance at this years RIAT airshow 2024. He was doing extreme maneuvers such as full left and right rudder deflections, at 350-400 knots on straight line followed by full deflections for every move. He was trying to show dominance of the Turkish airforce compared to other airforce performances. He really has been extreme in his application of movements in his flight control surfaces. Performances such as these are what could bring an end to close airshows.
Its funny because Belgian Viper demo had full left and right rudder deflections in their 2023 display
Turks in a nutshell: arrogant, ignorant, incompetent.
There have been instances where, on the analog FLCS, the ECA and FLCP have different software causing un expect roll behavior. Without any failure notices. The DFLCS COMBINED THE ECA LOGINC INTO THE DFCP.
Uhuh, yup, those are definitely words.
@@wurfyy I am sure Mover had to debrief an avionics tech.
This was close to being like back in 88. It has been a long time but what a tragedy that was.
Completely agree. All my F-16 time is in block 30s and 40s and that sure looks like he got some unexpected roll coupling due to being a little too aggressive with the wing waggle at low speed/ high AOA. If he had a FCS issue the last time you ever want to do after recovery is go straight into a high bank maneuver. Declare an IFE, fly S&L and try to figure out how much control you still have ...
Hey! I was there on that day!
this was a new pilot to SoloTürk with his first flight.
the pilot never went over the crowd line, it was always parallel.
the second POV we're seeing is the exit / entrance, its angled towards the runway.
😮😮😮 If it was me I’d be diving to the ground at 1:45, huge props to whoever maintained that camera pointing in the right direction!!
The 2nd clip was terrifyingly reminiscent of the dreadful crash at Sknyliv when sn SU27 ploughed straight into the crowd 😱.
Happens to me all the Time in DCS
🤣
You and me both, bro. You and me both... 🤣
Nothing at risk other than a bit of wasted time getting back into the air in DCS. Just a WEEE bit more at risk in that video.
I literally crashed just 2 hours ago in same way in DCS
Crazy how barely anyone realized just how dead they could have been. WHEW
Thanks, Mover! Whatever the final report says happened, I agree with your analysis. Rocking the wings, over rolled, and went all the way through to recover and GTFO of dodge!
Ive seen Solo Turk conduct displays in Northern Cyprus serval times and generally there is little regard for safety when it comes to how they treat buildings and crowds.
Turks are crazy! could he have been fighting the flcs?
Yeah.. It's this bravery you owe your living safe and in peace!
@@cantari5667right... Two dozen people in that crowd almost lost theirs due to that "bravery"
@@RedTail1-1 You care about people losing their lives? Maybe you should direct your great comments to those taking the lives of hundreds of women and children in Palestine everyday!
@@cantari5667 Was wondering who would make this inane comment, you are the Winner. Coming into random UA-cam flying videos and talking about middle east politics is so 2023.
Relax...everything is under control !
Credit to the pilot for not panicking and ejecting like many pilots would to save themselves while letting the crowd enjoy 1 more second of life.
Camera man definitely had nerves of steel. Years ago I was filming a mama moose in Yellowstone with a crowd around her. Through the view finder I watched her lay her ears back, get an angry expression on her face, and charge the crowd! I thought, wow! Bet I got some good video there.” No. Reviewing showed as soon as she laid her ears back, I was running. Lol😂
Don't know why people think it's such a great idea to form crowds around wild animals.. The footage I see from Yellowstone always makes me sick in so many ways.
@@RedTail1-1 Many people have never seen these wild animals and are clueless as how to deal with them.
Or doesn't comprehend things are not as they should be ...
@@Wannes_ LOL...yes, you should be able to scratch a bison behind the ears and cuddle a baby moose without being killed. lol
Really informative video thankyou. I do remember when we were at RIAT this year he went way over the display line having just broken out of cloud after a cuban. So glad this turned out to be a near miss. I hope the investigation brings to light exactly what happened. Take care.
That's like... what? 50 feet from the ground?? that's craaaaazy
This mistake proves he's a great pilot, ironically. Gave those fans a hell of a show, and he learned to add to future flights, so this doesn't happen again.
Pilot started a slow right roll; switches to a faster left roll; meanwhile the nose is dropping and there's a hesitation when inverted, (making up his mind what to do?) continues the left roll to level and pulls out. I think the pilot got off his show routine....if there was one.
From what I've been reading about these guys from those who've witnessed their demonstrations. They just do whatever they want to whenever they feel like it. One person mentioned a pilot being reprimanded repeatedly for deviating from the planned demonstration and violating safety protocols.
@@RedTail1-1 Why am I not surprised?
It was a part of the show. 😎Outstanding pilot work!!!
i am tuekish and i discussed this with tweeter users. All says flight control problem plane is having and route to hangar .i was thinking it seems it doesn't flight control. Beacsue after recovery turn left . So most probably less awareness while rolling
Man I need to go to one of these air shows 🎉
You really do! 🤙
@@steve334 29 October 2024 (next show)
Make sure you have life insurance
The left and right leading edges of an F-16 are mechanically linked. When the link breaks you get a assym LEF light. The flaps would be braked and no longer move.
The Turkish media and social media have praised this and that’s exactly where the problem lies. Unfortunately, we Turks often make unnecessary mistakes because we are overly confident... People were lucky this time, but those who died in the earthquake were victims of the same kind of poor management and lack of oversight. It’s mind-boggling to see so much risk taken just for show and even more shocking that people are proud of it...
Thanks for the analysis, Mover. I don’t believe there was a technical issue, as they flew again in the show the following day. Some news sources mentioned that an investigation was underway to check for any technical problems, but this save seemed purely coincidental-thankfully, the pilot managed to recover. We'll probably never know if there was an investigation, as it’s likely an internal matter. However, I don’t think there were any restrictions limiting the aircraft's movement. They definitely issued NOTAMs that day, as the area is close to Incirlik Air Base and a regional airport. Regardless, they should be more careful.
Solo Türk has 2 F-16 in team. May be other one was fly.
@@ghs01965 There are actually three of them: 88-0021 and 88-0026, both F-16 Block-30TM models, and 88-0025 in grey according to Wikipedia. It’s hard to tell which one was used in this case. The squadron leader, Major, flew two day in row according to Instagram stories. Actually they have great and dedicated Media and Public Relations team of two, I am not quite sure why they are not explaining such things. I mean watch the video, it is worth to talk about.
It was a different pilot for the remainder of the airshow week.
Isn't there an Airshow Rule that you NEVER do aerobatic maneuvers towards the crowd ???
Not everywhere. Back in the 80s I regularly attended the Blue Angels at Mira Mar. The flight path of ANY aircraft was always in line with the runway, or, separated from the crowd to avoid these sorts of mishaps. Didn't matter if it was an A6, F4, F18, glider, bi-plane, whatever.
No one ever died.
This is Turkey we're talking about....
You can fly towards the crowd but not to pass the 500 foot show line that separates the crowd from the aerobatic box.
@@Michael-ol2jn what diffrence türkiye is kinda european counrty
Maybe, but he wasnt really heading towards them when he started. Looks like he did not end up going in the intended direction.
That 2nd video nearly didn't happen.
Not knowing anything about jets, but being inverted would the wings be creating downforce instead of lift, and normally be counteracted by input of the elevator? Would this be the elevator input not being applied?
Main thing is everyone went home that day
F-16 FBW operates at 1G without stick input, so indeed inverted it would point its nose to the ground. dont think only pushing the stick would have had enough authority to prevent a crash here.
That low and that fast, the brain is just not fast enough to beat physics. I think that the pilot was fortunate to be able to finish the roll and pull to the limiter a split second before hitting the ground. The sky is not the limit.....the ground is!
Could we please get a defn. for term "Dishing it out"?
Performance of the Pilot was very speedy and very very well, Even if it was due to pilot error. I heard from authorities that there was not a pilot errors. But there is not official statement yet in 2024.21.10
Anywhere I proud of pilot's amazing manuver.
I think you're right. Those things happen and your conclusion about the flight controls are spot on.
Yeah that was the fault of the stick grip actuator right there. That was no more than 1-2 seconds away from a crashed into the audience bird.
Also Mover the assymetry brakes on the LEF aren't going to allow them to get out of whack by much before it physically locked the LEF in position. Also for the fact something would have to be majorly wrong physically with the system for them to even go assymetrical in the first place. If it had that pilot would have been required to land the aircraft immediately. LEF issues are exceedingly rare.
An Airshow and an overconfident pilot are a recipe for disaster!
Hory sheet! I bet they could feel the exhaust heat!
That's what I'm wondering. Could the exhaust have caused injuries in the crowd ?
Freshens up memories of 2020 PAF F-16 crash during rehearsals for National Day airshow preparation. Luckily this plane & people remained safe.
"Eyebrow lights" i love the layers of lingo built in, and how dryly evocative it is.
That was too close. In the UK flying towards the crown isn't allowed.
It looks this was not the actual crowd area but more of a transit/walk towards the crowd area.
This can happen in the UK as well with spotter/aviation lovers standing outside the crowd area outside the base or something like this.
Second video was one of entrance area, actual spectator crowd was parallel to the flight and around 300 mt distance to the path.
Oh that was way too close. Thank god for the power of that engine
no bed soloturk they are the best
Thank you for the analysis.
Do we have any information on how the investigation of this incident is going for the Turkish pilot? It would be good to get some current information...
I make (recreational)drones,so....question!...check the stick movement against the blackbox log on the Roll and Pitch...did they follow his stick movements?
I know next to nothing about how the Viper control response is, but I’d venture a guess that his decision to continue the left roll then pull out saved the situation. If he had tried to correct back to the right that few factions of a second would have put him into the crowd.
I thought that after the disaster at Ramstein Air Base in Germany in 1988 (which killed over 70 people),, flying directly over the heads of the crowds was disallowed at air displays.
Reminds me of that Tomcat scene in the movie Final Countdown where the F-14 does a shrieking recovery above the water line. Any chance we can get HUD footage and radio comms from the incident? 🤓
Good review, maybe a stupid question, which headphones do you use for your work here? Grts Josh
An electrical failure is extremely remote. The FCS is quad redundant. The Flight Control Computer is four independent units in one box, each with its own connector. The same is true for the axis gyros, one set of four for each axis.
Love your channel!
If you watch the crowd where he pulled out of it a little girl holding he moms hand tried to pull he mom away, all be it in the wrong direction, she as a child knew something wasn't right. The adults.... not so much.🤔
Mover, I think you’ve nailed the scenario perfectly - very risky - let’s hope there was a debrief of sorts after this flight . Thanks and cheers
almost looks like an accelerated stall? would the F-16 Fly by wire prevent that?
He was rocking the wings Aggresively, and looked like he was pulling too, not just wing wagging.
I think there are procedures for placement of spectators during airshows and strict adherence to distance from the crowd. The crowd is normally on one side of flight path. Why there was crowd in front when he recovered from the roll?
There is information on the Internet that the Turkish demo team flies F-16 block 40 machines. And not Block 30, as CW Lemoine claims here. So how is it?
Their website says Block 30
I'm lost on how rolling about 225 degrees is more efficient than rolling the roughly 135 degrees back upgright from that overbank. He paused at the overbank so there shouldn't have been any roll inertia. Can someone ELI5?
Yep! I think you hit the nail on the head! With just the video at hand, and with little information that you have, I think it's a pretty good assessment! At first, I thought the pilot was trying to do an aleron roll, and pulled back while inverted by accident, but watching over and over, looks more like an over bank that got away from him...Lucky, lucky, lucky, for everyone there! 😮
I've seen other angles from this airshow, and it looks he was trying to do a full 360 roll but stopped halfway through. Could be him trying to do a inverted pass at too low altitude or the FLCS malfunctioning
The aircraft was not actually fly over the crowd or crowd line, that area is a car park with people coming and going, so technically not part of the display line.
The wing waggle he did to end the display was either excessive,or their was a problem with the fly-by wire system, a roll at such low altitude is asking for trouble, but I don`t believe it was intentional.
It was last week while I was in the area, didn't visit the event but saw the planes (also the F5 demo team) fly in the area.
The event was on the old Adana airport (closed in August for domestic flights, those are now from Cukurova airport half an hour outside the city) which is basically inside the city itself. Houses and businesses all around.
There was one guy with a flight suit each morning in our hotel at breakfast. Not sure if a stunt team pilot would go to the breakfast in an overall but it was special to see.
Also close by is Incirlik Air Force base (also still for Nato if I'm right)
This makes me nauseous. So scary.
With regards to the hard bank immediately after a potential equipment malfunction, does anyone know the layout of the surrounding area? Was it possible his initial flight direction was into a populated area, and he swung it around to point at water/farmland/etc. so he could bail without endangering anyone on the ground?
I was a civilian pilot with zero military time but could he have not have stopped the roll and poled forward when inverted to gain some height and then gone right way up?
How close do you think the high speed stall was when the jet mushed during the pull out?
It's impossible to say just from the video, but the response of the aircraft almost makes it look like he caught some ground-effect. He's definitely a couple of meters too tall for the GE you'd typically having at landing speeds/attitude, but at higher speeds with all the air he's bending down with that inside aileron coming through the roll - he definitely blew some people's hats off.
And before someone mentions that the inside aileron is the aileron deflecting up... I'm talking about when he's finishing the roll (so the part where he's inverted)
i was at Farnborough when the two Mig-29's collided, could not believe what i witnessed.
Absolutely terrifying, that man and crowd was literally one or two tenths of a second from death. If he delayed anything he did 2 tenths of a second this video made me get chills! Excellent break down Mover.
not gonna lie that looks so cool
I also want to hear your thoughts and hopefully you'll make a video about it All these airliners come close to midair collisions?
Cool analysis - ! 👍
That recovery saved lives!
Mover, real question because you have flown many hours in these military aircraft. If there was an actual flight control issue would a pilot go 70 to 80 degree bank left after the save or would training say go wings level and get altitude?
Edit: ok never mind you answered shortly after I typed this lol
Looks like pilot error, tbh.
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Next on the Mover product line, Skateboards.
HA! Was thinking the same thing!
Performance of the Pilot was very speedy and very very well, Even if it was due to pilot error. I heard from authorities that there was not a pilot errors. But there is not official statement yet in 2024.21.10
Anywhere I proud of pilot's amazing manuver.
I assume this is too low and quick for any sort of Auto-GCAS?
That old of a viper doesn’t have GCAS.
Pretty sure GCAS would be turned off in a display aircraft even if it had one.
@@megalamanooblol That would negate the whole point
Test pilots trying out AutoGCAS had a very hard time - it is very much a last instant "save"
I’ve got to say I saw Solo Türk at RIAT this year and his manoeuvres are a bit “fly it like you stole it”. Accident or not glad he recovered and saved many lives
The first video that he shows titled "Soloturk excited the crowd in Adana. The plane is under inspection by experts" It looks like there's a mechanical fault.
F-16 is such a marvel. Definitely one of my all time favorites.
Based on first official announcement, during the greeting flight, the pilot gives control the right first and then left but because of a possibility of a malfunction or delay in fly by wire system, the plane continue to have a full turn. However, they are still investigating and it was not an intentional move.
Did you comment on the SU-35 that side swiped the F-16 near Alaska?
Yes, but he didn't sideswipe anyone.
@@CWLemoine lol, well not literally. Any thoughts on the SU-57 that shot down the S-70 UCAV?
@@jamviator The not so loyal wingman was thinking of defecting ...
@@Wannes_ It was a wanna be X-47B.
The USAF shot down an MQ-9 over Afghanistan once, because it lost contact and was flying off in the direction of another country's airspace.
Hey Mover, you happen to fly the block 30's or not?
1000 hours in them
@@CWLemoine thanks, and great. 1000h in a Viper is time well spend. Anyway I really had a question, or a thing I wanted to say. But I'm old and I forgot. Sorry!
So....I understand that aircraft maneuvers have to contend with various aerodynamic forces on top of gravitational forces.
And I understand gravity played a big role in this instance as the aircraft sank very low as the roll was completing.
But often I've seen aircraft doing a barell roll and maintain altitude, no sink at all. The aircraft just rotates on its centerline axis. (The scene from Top Gun in which during training at Top Gun school as the F-14s drop in behind the smaller "enemy" jet (A4 sky hawk?) the smaller jet immediately does a quick roll before exiting stage left) comes to mind. Is that due to the higher speed and resulting higher aerodynamic forces generated by the flight control surfaces countering gravity or is it more just the pilot purposefully flying the aircraft in a manner to remain "on axis/elevation" ?
In other words, could the featured pilot here have barrell rolled without sinking at that speed if executed differently or would it require more speed perhaps?
I'm not sure I'm properly conveying my question.
I guess to simplify, could that aircraft have done a barrel roll without dropping in elevation at all or is it just the physics involved causing it to drop?
Any pilot input is welcome. Thank you.
Glad that he was able to save it.
Saw that guy 2 weeks ago in Belgium. When did this happen?
Soloturk pilots always do these types of crazy stunts. They've done it for years. Although, on this occasion it was announced that there was a mechanical problem that made it 'closer' than it should have been, but if you look at some of their previous works, they love to give people a scare with extremely close fly-bys. I don't see the issue, no one got hurt. You go to a flight show, you get a flight show.
I just had a tank slapper off of a 130 mph wheelie! But that pilot definitely has the SAVE of the Century! 💪🏾. His nerves are connected through Unobtanium!