Dude, I gotta take a moment to just say... you are some kind of super human. I have watched your videos, dabbled with your builds and I 100% suck entirely at pvp in any form. Now I am 50, so my twitch reflexes and patience arent what they could be. Believe it or not I was a PVP machine in 1997 Ultima Online. But so awfully sub par in ESO although I absolutely love the game. I have a Warden tank with high pen, wearing Leeching, Crimson, Malacath that can survive anything because of the insane heals. And I have a 2 pet mag sorc with necro, plae order, plague doctor that I can now finally do regular Maelstrom on... because of hardened ward, caltrops, unstable wall of shock, the pet AOE pulse. I have crit rush and hurricaine on the back bar. They sure dont have any easy one bar PVP builds for slow learners like me. But I do appreciate your builds, your videos and your skill in PVP. You take min maxing builds to a really crazy level. My tank actually can survive for quite a while in pvp with 47k health and crazy armor and heals. The only reason I dont die is because in group battles they leave me alone after a few jabs and look for a squishier target. One day I am gonna master a similar build to what you play... it only took me a few years to learn how to roll dodge and last week I finally learned a few traits and changes some weapon armor and jewelry traits. LOL
Clever is such a good set for magic classes and is definitely slept on. I was using Clever, Spinners, and Balorghs. It did pretty well. I had staffs though. Defending ice staff back bar and sharpened inferno front bar. Basic I know but not too bad. Definitely want to try the 2H set up. Still trying to get those other mythics and titan born so I will try those for sure. Great info thank you. 😃
For Stamden, and stamsorc for new patch, what race do you think? Khajit or imperial? Also, what's an alternative to Titansborn? And where's the Bowden at? I know I know, I'm asking for alot, but you did set the precedent
Magwarden using magicka furnace, the blood lords embrace, 1 piece iceheart (for spell crit), and thatln absolutely ymost important is frozen watcher. You will be a stage 3 vamp and a quick sidenote is if you so choose you can drop magicka furnace for something else like frostbite set or the frost dmg set. You than use the first three ice warden line with artic winds, the dmg morph on the placable aoe dot and than impenitrable fortress with than elemental blockade, weakness to elements (for the magickasteal) and the taunt morph for ice staff. Than you other normal abilities are blood altar, mist form (use the lifesteal aoe morph) vampiric drain (either morph works if you so choose), and hypnosis for the aoe cc if you get swarmed and need a quick breather or escape. So long as you have 3 of the ice warden abikities on whatever bar is you main bar for the max 1500 extra armor from the ice warden line passive than your good to order that however you want with your ults are sleet storm and dwarming scion or perfect scion depending on your preferance of either more damage or more magicka and go sustain (pefect scion makes you a stage 5 vamp so you have no vamp weaknesses and that incluses the more magic cots on normal abilities)
I’ve been thinking about using a build much like this with the new patch. I was thinking FB titanborn, stage 3 vamp, arterial burst, master’s ice staff BB to proc brittle and 600 wep and spell dmg, and ancient dragon guard on the body with gaze of sithis and 1 pc magma
Come on man the name has to be a play on Facebooks new Metaverse! “ESO Metaverse” or “Tamriel Metaverse” haha idk just an idea. Another idea I’m more confident in is build sheets - a one page summary of a build with gear, skills, key points on damage, mitigation, recovery, etc. Each sheet would be labeled as either “CONCEPT”, which are just builds you are thinking about making and testing, “IN PROCESS” for ones that you’re playing on and tweaking and then “Zilla Certfidied” for stuff like your stamNB and stamplar. I do a lot of summary presentations for work and would be happy to help out as payback for all the great builds I’ve made from you!
Not tryna be a Debbie downer but there’s a reason that the weak classes are weak in comparison. Every class has its mains that know how to build and try different things….that’s why people are using arterial burst….some magden main thought it would be interesting to use and now every magden uses it. Magden still isn’t great because other classes are easier to play AND build. And having people who have very little knowledge of the game (90% of the player base) trying to make it better just isn’t going to happen tbh. But, I respect the effort.
I've used titanborn in a few different builds and it is too risky, to get the full potential of this set you need to stay borderline execute. This may be good in BGs fighting pve'ers or blackreach aka the minor league... but in main campaign titanborn is way to risky.
I'll say for me personally I'd say 2 out of every 10 builds I theory craft turn out to be really good. Rest of kinda meh and couple have been straight dog shit lol.
Curious, I mentioned that one spec just doesn't work, while the other similar, but with slight changes, surprisingly does. That the thrills of theorycrafting I like most of all 😂
My UESP account has about 300 builds. Of those I can honestly say that only about 10 of those were ever elite performing set ups (Not including my regular stamblade set ups). But some go on with slight adjustments and perform well even a year after they were OP like my bow/bow warden. A 5 bleed stam sorc with incredible crit surge heals and implosion was elite but now can't exist at all. Heavy attack stone fist mDK was never elite but was very good and fun is now extinct too. Health regen/weapon damage SnB stamblade with broken siponing attacks is the most elite build I ever made back in '16 but is also impossible to recreate. Even when you make sonething great other players will eventually see what you're doing, copy it, it becomes established meta then it gets nerfed. Even when the off-meta theory crafting is spot on we only get it for no longer than 6 months.
I really like this concept, but I’m wondering if it would work on mag dk? With healing coming in from power lash, shattering rocks, cauterize , while you’re on your front bar. Just swap out burning embers for arterial burst
Yo that build is banger. Try it with pariah too. Amazeballs. Im running stage 4 vamp tho for the sprint invis. The execute was genius cuz that's what magden was lacking. It plays exactly like a stamden too. GG
Magden is my main but I'd need to see that healing ward in action, cous that's a shitty tt in pvp 3k roughly, And turning a magden into an offbrand stamden I mean I get your point but u might as well play stamden it's litteraly the exact same build but better Swap out rapid regen for vigor and artirial for dswing and u got a stamden
When I played Magic warden in pvp. With hroth and dark Convergence it felt great. It really helps imo keep you from dying, obviously it's not a stamden. It's taking the combo playstyle with magden aspects it's not perfect but it's solid
we've tried healing ward. It doesn't do anything. you're much better off slotting something like shimmering shield or blessing of restoration, or better yet, just respeccing to stamden. it's just way better. they have everything magden has, just better.
I tried that crafted set whitestrakes retribution with titanborn it did not go as planned lol maybe with some tweaks...I wasn't a vamp either..also though about that ironblood with vamp and titanborn with a few swift and bird of prey ironblood won't affect too much movement speed
What about this? Titanborn double barred, ancient dragon guard body. 1 piece monster and a mythic. And would Stam morph of scotch be better than mag morph?
The problem I see with this build is its squishiness. Two offensive set on magicka classes often means a very kitty and positionning dependant playstyle since you can't roll dodge as stamina toons do. Or that mean you need to be able to block cast your combo with immov pots, which is incompatible with DB. Maybe with northern storm ? Maybe you could rely on wrecked vitality to get your sustain (this set is so amazing on magicka toon) and to be able to spam roll dodge. And you could get back your clever alch damage with sated fury activated at the right time. If I remember correctly, this skill doesn't count as a GCD, so you can use it at the same time you unleash your combo and disable it right away. Nonetheless I really like the concept. It definitly has some potential.
Been waiting my whole life for this video. I probably don't have the $$ or materials sitting around to do another build on another toon for another DLC anyway, but a guy can dream.
@@TheRealGodzilla already tried it with powerful assalut bb. It did pretty damn good. Norther stom ulti bb dawny fb. But it was a bit lack luster due to no wpn dmg on vd fb
"looks scary" is just clickbait. It actually is just a weak stamden in practice, magden is not worth playing at the moment, this build can't fix magden's critical problems because no build can, it'd probably be alright if magden was actually good but as it stands, no reason to run this. Healing Ward cannot save magden's healing, we've tried it. executioner is a novel concept, but until magden is usable in pvp it's just not going to be worth it.
The whole premise of this was to make weaker classes more viable. Not make them into a stamina class, like I said in the video it takes concepts of the stamden. Why? Because stamina classes rule in 1vX so simply applying same logic, but building it magic based. That's why most hybrid builds will go imo more stamina focused as it's just better
@@TheRealGodzilla there's no reason to play magden like this, or even at all, if you take concepts from a stamden and put it on magden you just become a bad stamden. We've tried everything we can think of to make magden more viable, but nothing works to make it decent.
You sure you wanna go Leeching over Trellis? Leeching heals your enemies if you’re fighting more than one faction (it’s a nightmare in bgs especially - you can see why) Also wondering if you’ve experimented with Budding Seeds? A lot of people despise it but a few like myself and Nyce stand by it still
If anyone played the division 1 y’all def remember the “unforgiving” talent. 10% dmg at 66%health,25% dmg at 33%health was mandatory in pvp. Cause it would allow you to win every single face trade. To win 1vX you’d want to take individual 1v1s. This doesn’t 100% carry over to eso but still.
I love how you like to use lower hp as yr advantage.. Here is a thought. Instead of using CL. Alchemist, why not run true-sworn fury And Titan born? Drop the excecute and only use atherial burst as your main damage (powering it up by using a kajiit or the shadow stone + à few bloodthirsty) this way you'll get all-time counterablity with great impen/100%crit(powerup up by true-sworn and passives)?! That's how i'ld run it..
This issue is I want to front bar and back bar a set, I'd have to double bar one of those and I'd either have to drop a monster set or mythic item to run it. It could work, but then my max hp would be lower making my 50% hp threshold be lower as well
true-sworn is a really bad set, you're also not able to recover enough hp to get back into onto your offensive bar without dying, so it's just wasted. the idea of dropping executioner is definitely a lot better on stamina sustain, and it frees up a slot, but then again, nothing saves magden at this current point in time, so there's no point in even trying.
You know mag warden is in a great place when you basically have to make it a stamina build for it to be viable lol
Dude, I gotta take a moment to just say... you are some kind of super human. I have watched your videos, dabbled with your builds and I 100% suck entirely at pvp in any form.
Now I am 50, so my twitch reflexes and patience arent what they could be. Believe it or not I was a PVP machine in 1997 Ultima Online. But so awfully sub par in ESO although I absolutely love the game.
I have a Warden tank with high pen, wearing Leeching, Crimson, Malacath that can survive anything because of the insane heals. And I have a 2 pet mag sorc with necro, plae order, plague doctor that I can now finally do regular Maelstrom on... because of hardened ward, caltrops, unstable wall of shock, the pet AOE pulse. I have crit rush and hurricaine on the back bar.
They sure dont have any easy one bar PVP builds for slow learners like me. But I do appreciate your builds, your videos and your skill in PVP. You take min maxing builds to a really crazy level.
My tank actually can survive for quite a while in pvp with 47k health and crazy armor and heals. The only reason I dont die is because in group battles they leave me alone after a few jabs and look for a squishier target. One day I am gonna master a similar build to what you play... it only took me a few years to learn how to roll dodge and last week I finally learned a few traits and changes some weapon armor and jewelry traits. LOL
He killed me in a bg today and I thanked him and said I LOVE YOU. I will never wash my armor again.
Alternative title for the series: “A Better Meta”… (?)
Clever is such a good set for magic classes and is definitely slept on. I was using Clever, Spinners, and Balorghs. It did pretty well. I had staffs though. Defending ice staff back bar and sharpened inferno front bar. Basic I know but not too bad. Definitely want to try the 2H set up. Still trying to get those other mythics and titan born so I will try those for sure. Great info thank you. 😃
For Stamden, and stamsorc for new patch, what race do you think? Khajit or imperial? Also, what's an alternative to Titansborn? And where's the Bowden at? I know I know, I'm asking for alot, but you did set the precedent
Magwarden using magicka furnace, the blood lords embrace, 1 piece iceheart (for spell crit), and thatln absolutely ymost important is frozen watcher. You will be a stage 3 vamp and a quick sidenote is if you so choose you can drop magicka furnace for something else like frostbite set or the frost dmg set. You than use the first three ice warden line with artic winds, the dmg morph on the placable aoe dot and than impenitrable fortress with than elemental blockade, weakness to elements (for the magickasteal) and the taunt morph for ice staff. Than you other normal abilities are blood altar, mist form (use the lifesteal aoe morph) vampiric drain (either morph works if you so choose), and hypnosis for the aoe cc if you get swarmed and need a quick breather or escape. So long as you have 3 of the ice warden abikities on whatever bar is you main bar for the max 1500 extra armor from the ice warden line passive than your good to order that however you want with your ults are sleet storm and dwarming scion or perfect scion depending on your preferance of either more damage or more magicka and go sustain (pefect scion makes you a stage 5 vamp so you have no vamp weaknesses and that incluses the more magic cots on normal abilities)
I’ve been thinking about using a build much like this with the new patch. I was thinking FB titanborn, stage 3 vamp, arterial burst, master’s ice staff BB to proc brittle and 600 wep and spell dmg, and ancient dragon guard on the body with gaze of sithis and 1 pc magma
Ancient is nice I am currently running it but I might swap it out for Wretched Vitality
Come on man the name has to be a play on Facebooks new Metaverse! “ESO Metaverse” or “Tamriel Metaverse” haha idk just an idea. Another idea I’m more confident in is build sheets - a one page summary of a build with gear, skills, key points on damage, mitigation, recovery, etc. Each sheet would be labeled as either “CONCEPT”, which are just builds you are thinking about making and testing, “IN PROCESS” for ones that you’re playing on and tweaking and then “Zilla Certfidied” for stuff like your stamNB and stamplar. I do a lot of summary presentations for work and would be happy to help out as payback for all the great builds I’ve made from you!
yeah man, message me on discord maybe we can set something up
Not tryna be a Debbie downer but there’s a reason that the weak classes are weak in comparison. Every class has its mains that know how to build and try different things….that’s why people are using arterial burst….some magden main thought it would be interesting to use and now every magden uses it. Magden still isn’t great because other classes are easier to play AND build. And having people who have very little knowledge of the game (90% of the player base) trying to make it better just isn’t going to happen tbh. But, I respect the effort.
there is no way to fix magden unless it gets buffed. it's just the truth.
I've been using these 2 sets for months on my stamden, they work really well together
I've used titanborn in a few different builds and it is too risky, to get the full potential of this set you need to stay borderline execute. This may be good in BGs fighting pve'ers or blackreach aka the minor league... but in main campaign titanborn is way to risky.
Why not use toggle to drain health? More damage plus a burst heal at the end? Could be tricky but would really ramp up the damage
I've been using Healing Ward for a while now in PvP. It's my favorite burst/oh-shit heal.
I'll say for me personally I'd say 2 out of every 10 builds I theory craft turn out to be really good. Rest of kinda meh and couple have been straight dog shit lol.
Yep
Curious, I mentioned that one spec just doesn't work, while the other similar, but with slight changes, surprisingly does. That the thrills of theorycrafting I like most of all
😂
My UESP account has about 300 builds. Of those I can honestly say that only about 10 of those were ever elite performing set ups (Not including my regular stamblade set ups). But some go on with slight adjustments and perform well even a year after they were OP like my bow/bow warden. A 5 bleed stam sorc with incredible crit surge heals and implosion was elite but now can't exist at all. Heavy attack stone fist mDK was never elite but was very good and fun is now extinct too. Health regen/weapon damage SnB stamblade with broken siponing attacks is the most elite build I ever made back in '16 but is also impossible to recreate. Even when you make sonething great other players will eventually see what you're doing, copy it, it becomes established meta then it gets nerfed. Even when the off-meta theory crafting is spot on we only get it for no longer than 6 months.
@@ryanmitchell1265 ya I mean the meta theory crafting is easy as hell. The non meta good shit is where the challenge can be and is alot of fun.
I really like this concept, but I’m wondering if it would work on mag dk? With healing coming in from power lash, shattering rocks, cauterize , while you’re on your front bar. Just swap out burning embers for arterial burst
Yo that build is banger. Try it with pariah too. Amazeballs. Im running stage 4 vamp tho for the sprint invis. The execute was genius cuz that's what magden was lacking. It plays exactly like a stamden too. GG
Magden is my main but I'd need to see that healing ward in action, cous that's a shitty tt in pvp 3k roughly,
And turning a magden into an offbrand stamden I mean I get your point but u might as well play stamden it's litteraly the exact same build but better
Swap out rapid regen for vigor and artirial for dswing and u got a stamden
When I played Magic warden in pvp. With hroth and dark Convergence it felt great. It really helps imo keep you from dying, obviously it's not a stamden. It's taking the combo playstyle with magden aspects it's not perfect but it's solid
we've tried healing ward. It doesn't do anything. you're much better off slotting something like shimmering shield or blessing of restoration, or better yet, just respeccing to stamden. it's just way better. they have everything magden has, just better.
@@TheRealGodzilla maybe if you wanna go for kinda hybrid you should try vigor + regen ?
Was considering it for sure, but idk if we have enough sustain we may have to go try recovery definitely have to test for sure
I tried that crafted set whitestrakes retribution with titanborn it did not go as planned lol maybe with some tweaks...I wasn't a vamp either..also though about that ironblood with vamp and titanborn with a few swift and bird of prey ironblood won't affect too much movement speed
What about this? Titanborn double barred, ancient dragon guard body. 1 piece monster and a mythic. And would Stam morph of scotch be better than mag morph?
i dont like dragon guard and id like to run 1 front bar 1 back bar monster set and mythic item its just too strong for magic
As for the tile of the series, how about "METAmorphosis - From No-hope to Dope".
You should rename to 'The Metaverse'
^THIS
Add barrier to your ultimate so when you have low Hp you can clap for a good 20 secs .
The problem I see with this build is its squishiness. Two offensive set on magicka classes often means a very kitty and positionning dependant playstyle since you can't roll dodge as stamina toons do. Or that mean you need to be able to block cast your combo with immov pots, which is incompatible with DB. Maybe with northern storm ?
Maybe you could rely on wrecked vitality to get your sustain (this set is so amazing on magicka toon) and to be able to spam roll dodge. And you could get back your clever alch damage with sated fury activated at the right time. If I remember correctly, this skill doesn't count as a GCD, so you can use it at the same time you unleash your combo and disable it right away.
Nonetheless I really like the concept. It definitly has some potential.
For sure. Appreciate the insight, I think it has potential for sure
My magden does work ask about me on Xbox NA
what's a good alternativ to clever alchemist? it's very good but i'm not a fan of how it works
7th legion
@@TheRealGodzilla That works for me, thanks mate !
Thanks for this. Warden is my jam.
i tested titan born set for fornt bar in PTS, its not work. it need to be on both bar ( did they fix that in live server)?
Really?😑
@@TheRealGodzilla yep please test it in live and tell me, I already applied ticket in pts from 2 weeks for that idk if they fix it ;p
I can't I don't have any of that gear on live I play on console lol I'll ask someone
This build feels a lot like walking on the sharp edge of a sword. It would probably work in the hands of an artiste. Sadly, I'm not that person.
You are always on the hustle, hope your channel gets more success 🙌
Another good vid zilla
Thank you so much!!
did they fix clever yet? still bugged?
Been waiting my whole life for this video. I probably don't have the $$ or materials sitting around to do another build on another toon for another DLC anyway, but a guy can dream.
I love your builds. I still suck at pvp, but that's because I'm terrible at pvp lol. Your builds help me be less terrible!
Stam sorc with unleashed dark convergence and chaotic whirlwind?
Not sure if it will be good but looks good on paper at least 😂😂
LOL
Hi zilla! Yessh show me some of that magic warden-magic!!
Sorta gonna use this setup on a spinny boi stamden. I dont los much im more a brawler so i stay in fight til things are quite dangerous
Instead of titan born on stamden I'm looking at rocking viscous death🤣
@@TheRealGodzilla already tried it with powerful assalut bb. It did pretty damn good. Norther stom ulti bb dawny fb. But it was a bit lack luster due to no wpn dmg on vd fb
Need some gameplay and commentary with this
I will once patch comes out for console!
BTW one of the leads for ring of majesty is bugged so can't get that item
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War maiden would give better burst .. but worse healing than titan born may wanna try dabbling with ancient dragon or war maiden over titan born
Love wardens been rocking it as a bomber and does it beautifully! Sustain is superb, healing is great, would love an execute but we cant have it all 😅
When updated build of stamina Warden, love your videos
"looks scary" is just clickbait. It actually is just a weak stamden in practice, magden is not worth playing at the moment, this build can't fix magden's critical problems because no build can, it'd probably be alright if magden was actually good but as it stands, no reason to run this. Healing Ward cannot save magden's healing, we've tried it. executioner is a novel concept, but until magden is usable in pvp it's just not going to be worth it.
The whole premise of this was to make weaker classes more viable. Not make them into a stamina class, like I said in the video it takes concepts of the stamden. Why? Because stamina classes rule in 1vX so simply applying same logic, but building it magic based. That's why most hybrid builds will go imo more stamina focused as it's just better
@@TheRealGodzilla there's no reason to play magden like this, or even at all, if you take concepts from a stamden and put it on magden you just become a bad stamden. We've tried everything we can think of to make magden more viable, but nothing works to make it decent.
Ok well, no harm in trying? Just play something else man.🤣
@@TheRealGodzilla I am. playing PvE while waiting for my class to actually be decent again in pvp.
You sure you wanna go Leeching over Trellis? Leeching heals your enemies if you’re fighting more than one faction (it’s a nightmare in bgs especially - you can see why)
Also wondering if you’ve experimented with Budding Seeds? A lot of people despise it but a few like myself and Nyce stand by it still
Trellis always I didnt know it heals ur enemies :o but yes budding seeds is a go to heal for me
"Meta or Meh" "Theory Crafters Corner"
Gg! Prob im going to try something like that on macro !
If anyone played the division 1 y’all def remember the “unforgiving” talent. 10% dmg at 66%health,25% dmg at 33%health was mandatory in pvp. Cause it would allow you to win every single face trade. To win 1vX you’d want to take individual 1v1s. This doesn’t 100% carry over to eso but still.
2 mins in. (brain thinking double ended sword.)
>wild hunt isn't best
Ok that's a build I won't be trying out
LOL give 2 swift a try hahah instead of wild
I love wardens
Nice duel build lol
Meta Trench
I love how you like to use lower hp as yr advantage.. Here is a thought.
Instead of using CL. Alchemist, why not run true-sworn fury And Titan born? Drop the excecute and only use atherial burst as your main damage (powering it up by using a kajiit or the shadow stone + à few bloodthirsty) this way you'll get all-time counterablity with great impen/100%crit(powerup up by true-sworn and passives)?! That's how i'ld run it..
This issue is I want to front bar and back bar a set, I'd have to double bar one of those and I'd either have to drop a monster set or mythic item to run it. It could work, but then my max hp would be lower making my 50% hp threshold be lower as well
true-sworn is a really bad set, you're also not able to recover enough hp to get back into onto your offensive bar without dying, so it's just wasted. the idea of dropping executioner is definitely a lot better on stamina sustain, and it frees up a slot, but then again, nothing saves magden at this current point in time, so there's no point in even trying.
TheoryCrafting The Meta for a name... IDK may be too long
Good god man, you have the worst graphics quality, its all just a blurr
I lower it on my pc so my recording doesn't skip frames 🙃 🤣
why show off a pvp build and then have absolutely no pvp clips to truely show off the build !
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