Specialized SL7 Fork Recall?
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- Опубліковано 3 жов 2024
- Another fork problem and possible recall. Durianrider posted about this 2 days ago and I was also sent some photos of a failed fork. Without going into detail about what caused the failure, I think that there is a bigger problem with this.
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If a car maker was equally incompetent, the authorities would be all over it. Specialized does it and not even the cycling press cover it.
Its kind of like if a BMW steering column just split in half on the autobahn. That danger is comparable to this.
@@TheMASDrummer I suppose in the BMW, you have 50 airbags and 1T of steel around you. ON a bike you have barely 2mm of lycra between you and the deck.
Cycling press is paid to be quiet
Looking forward to a specialized reaming
@@Hambini A bunch of those airbags got recalled a few years back if I remember correctly
Good vid LT!
I leaked this early on the $-Works facebook group and they blocked me lol. So much for caring about fellow cyclists.
a bit like absolute black. They've cleansed google of all mentions of their hollowcage!
That’s nuts!!!
Bunch of cowards in that group. Full of retarded dentists lmao
Abso Black blocked me for asking if a closed cage from SLF would be more aero
See story of boy who cried wolf? You've been complaining about how the sl7 is a horrible bike and how disc brakes are horrible for a long time. Yet you bought two high end sworks builds of them knowing they had disc brakes that you hate and seem to use them all the time instead of the bikes you have which you say are much better. So you start off hard to believe
"Cables aren't really designed to be a structural component to steer the bike with..." Gold.
Good point. The lack of chamfer and chafing of cables is one thing (Billy Basic faculty of Engineering), the ethics not telling anyone until they've got parts in stock is another!
It's as if they are employing knock off engineers from Wish or Fiver. At this point a 5 year old might actually design a better component and system.
@@mrnobody9821 a five year old you say?
:Hambini has entered the chat..
The longer compression plug suggests to me they are not overly confident with their solution either. The compression plug normally only needs to be where the stem clamps but they obviously want it to go past the point of where the breakage happens to reinforce that area.
@@jimbo9030 yes that extended part is very very odd. Its a bit unnerving seeing that longer threaded part, because that part to my knowledge doesn't expand, only the collet does. It's almost as if they want something on the other side of the break so you still have steerage when it snaps.
@@PeakTorque Yes it seems like the classic steel builders putting a pieces of wood held by the brake bolt inside the fork crown... Back to the 1930's....
Compromising the structural integrity of an absolutely critical component in favour of aesthetics and a marginal improvement in aerodynamic efficiency is just a crazy thing to do. One doesn't want any component on a bike to fail, but the three components you never want to fail are the bars, stem and steerer tube. The disconnect between good basic engineering practice and marketing in the bike industry is becoming really very worrying. Thanks for the good work in highlighting this Raoul - hopefully it will make those responsible start to sit up and take notice.
That’s why I quit riding on aluminum bars back when I was racing off road in the 90s and permanently switched to titanium. I went through three different bars breaking before I switched. I wouldn’t ride on carbon either. Titanium’s the way to go.
Customers ask for it all the time though. Putting a stem right at the top of the steerer tube, or cutting the steerer tube below the top of the stem, is a common cause of steerer tube failure, and people ask bike shops to do that all the time because it looks cool.
@@AlexandarHullRichter The problem is using expander plugs that are too short. The stem should not be clamping a carbon steerer tube when there is only a portion of the plug underneath.
@@povertyspec9651 I agree, and bike manufacturers are the ones doing that. Cannondale is a great example of stupid expansion plug design.
Customers then ask for short steerers anyway, without wanting to understand anything that contradicts what they want.
The whole value proposition of spending money on the significantly more expensive major western brands like specialised is that you can trust them to rectify any issues promptly. I didn't think anyone could make the canyon seatpost fiasco look good, but these guys have actually achieved it!
Its certainly not a good look, but at least they instigated a recall and didn’t ignore it or try to cover it up as some others might.
@@hisdadjames4876 I mean, compare it to Canyon's 'stop ride' instruction and it really doesn't look good. The only reason we know is because of a leaked document. So that looks like a coverup to me..
@@timocallaghan4408 Didn’t know that. Thanks. 👍
And people don’t see this.
Yes, you pay a lot more for specialised. But you pay to make sure than when there is a problem, you have the guarantee that it’ll be fixed.
@@timocallaghan4408
It’s not a cover up. The process to launch a campaign like this is as follows.
1-Completely and fully understand what the issue is AND what has caused it.
2- Rectify the route cause of the issue.
3-Understand if further parts are required.
4- Understand how big the issue is I.e. do we need to repair every unit or is a lower level inspection and repair needed.
5- Order and manufacturer the parts needed to launch the campaign. This is what takes the time. There is no point fitting the same parts.
6- understand the repair process and document it.
7- Launch the campaign
This is the same regardless of if pen or a plane.
It all takes time. So to say that specialized has covered this up is not fair.
Does it look good, no. Have they taken ownership of the issue? Yes. Did anyone hold a gun to my head when I bought my S-Works SL7? No, is my bike affected? Yes, am I angry? No. Why should I be, the bike will be inspected and repaired at no cost to me. Yes so what is the problem.
Proof that when mistakes are made Cayon can be trusted more than Specialized. At least they issued a stop ride and agreed compensation for those effected while they sought a solution.
Except you can take the specialized to a bike a shop and yell at that them instead
@@coreygolphenee9633 not if you’ve face planted and are in a comma in hospital.
@@aidanmasterson50 don't get me wrong its pathetic for a bike that cost 12 GRAND if you have that much money for a bike get something custom or something cheaper
@@coreygolphenee9633
The bike shop employees are not responsible.
Please don't yell at them !
Specialized is making millions.
The bike shop employee barely makes a living.
@@sylvainmichaud2262 I guess I mean you have a entire supply chain of people in the industry that can demand better from this company, canyon felt so much like a lot of the bullshit tesla shoves down peoples throats and I think they are very responsible for the shift towards enthusiast grade bicycles becoming disposable toys for tech bros.
Thank you for the video, in my own experience Specialized/ Roval are far from a reputable company, I had a pair of Specialized Roval Alpinist handlebars that failed, technically it was the Specialized computer mount bolt that sheered off leaving a broken stud in the bars, the company said as the bars had not failed the warranty was only on the computer mount, leaving me with a pair of scrap bars costing £450! After this experience I will never purchase anything from the brand ever again, this fiasco with the forks failing and hiding vital safety information from their customer base shows exactly what the brand think of their customers!
Looks very much like how recalls are carried out in automotive industry. No big deal if one or ten drivers are hurt, as long as other hundred of thousands are not yet aware. And more importantly the investors and competitors
Thank you for the info and making us aware. Its our safety on the road that is on the line.
Next the manufacturers will discover non-integrated cockpit and charge 30% more for their innovation
Specialized already did it with the Aethos!
@@geckoyap Your right 😨
Threaded headset
..."cables aren't really designed to be a structural component to steer the bike with..." - RMFAO!!!
Seems reasonable, we've been steering aircraft via cables for over 100 years...
@@slidey1788 except aircraft is different from bikes
@@slidey1788 The cables are not the major structural component that holds an aircraft's control surfaces in place though. The cables merely move them into position, relying on other structural elements to make that possible.
Raoul is much too polite about some matters.
@@slidey1788 Early planes had cables/wires as structural elements between the wings.
But these cables were designed for that purpose, you don't expect the cables for the steering or the antenna to hold the tail section in place.
Yes. This is the same thing that Orbea did, they built the replacement forks, THEN sent out the recall notice. You could tell based on the manufacturing date on the fork.
Good point. News comes out yesterday and parts are already at my LBS. unbelievable!
I’ll stick with my giant tcr advanced RIM BRAKE stiff and tuff as hell!!!👌🏻💪🏻🚴🏻♂️
Integrated cables are purely for fashion, no other reason. Nobody is losing a race because of their exposed cables.
The bike industry needs more regulation A) These product faults are deadly I suspect thr OEM has weighed the cost of a lawsuit vs scrapping correcting and replacing the entire stock B) The ridiculous pricing of bikes due to seemingly high demand, its also because shipping companies have hiked the price of containers 4x according to my latest information "because they can" but the OEM's are passing the cost hike to the retail level and probably making bucks off it too.
The recall was suppose to be announced today. By delaying it they're buying time to save a PR disaster but putting riders at risk.
Dan Tuber - It’s even worse!
Specialized already has a proposed solution, yet they have not even issued the official recall yet. This suggests they have known about this danger for quite some time, while they worked on a solution. And during that same time they were silent, and willing to let riders ride what they knew was a dangerous bike. Nice!
Thanks for looking out for all of us!
Durianrider was right. He said This months ago
That is terrifying. I hope there is more testing and regulation for uci standards so this can be solved in design phases verses a recall down the road. That is for the video.
Gives me so much more respect for canyon when issued the Stop Ride on the Aeroad long before the fix was ready
To me it seems they wanted to avoid the situation where Canyon paid their customers compensation for the time they were waiting for the new Aeroad handlebar. Right here is an example of the ethically correct way to handle these situations and the Specialized way.
Raoul, great discussion. IMO, you just summarized the problem with a number of cycling brands. The bottom line drives the product. Exactly what happens when the board room steps into the design process. Profits should come from a quality product, that drives demand, that creates margin. When you do the opposite, large margins goals, force questionable design decisions, result in a poor product. Sure fire formula to torpedo a brand. Fortunately for me, I don’t have this scale of disposable income. 😂
The fact that Specialized blocked Durianrider is extremely telling of the attitude Specialized has towards riders. Riders who spend more than $12,000.00 on a fucking bike and they make a calculated, financial decision to put people’s life at risk! I routinely hit 40 plus miles per hour, even approaching 50 mph on a bike with a major fucking flaw! Unacceptable
Sounds like everyone should avoid integrated cockpits, until they are engineered properly! Are any in the market engineered properly in your opinion?
The Giant Propel solution looks OK to me having replaced the top headset bearing on one recently. The brake hoses run behind the top bearing and are separated from the fork steerer tube.
I run a Deda Vinci integrated stem and it has a much better design.
Stem clamp is a full sleeve of aluminum so there is distribution of load on the stem clamp.
Uses a standard compression plug (not included in the system) so I chose a full 70mm plug that fully supports the inside of the steerer from the clamp down through the bearing.
The c shaped collar that goes between the upper bearing and the steerer is quite deep, again spreading load across a large surface of the steerer.
Overall I rate it better than the typical (non-internally routed) setup, because of the extra supports built in to mitigate the gap in the c ring where the cables pass through.
It's not light, but it's very well built.
The various Trek and FSA systems haven't had noticeable noise about failures at forks or cables that I've seen. They both try to offer rather generous space for cables. Manufacturers that use FSA are left to their own devices to develop a self-destructing fork-frame interface like Cannondale or Cervelo.
Madone seems ok but a lot of hose chafing. Steerer seems well built.
My BMC Roadmachine has a high density foam filling in the cavity of the rectangular steerer tube, which i assume is to add rigidity, this then has a self tapping bolt screwed into it which compresses the whole thing together from the top cap.
The integrated BMC stems seem quite well engineered as the hoses use the extra space allowed by a rectangular steerer to drop either side through the toptube and then the frame, also the cables are guided out of the standard handlebar and through a dedicated spacer which sits under the stem above any other spacers you have and the top-cone. The cables are tidied away out of sight but are not completely hidden inside anything and can be easily exposed by removing a plate which screws up into the dedicated spacer.
It goes to show that minimizing damages to the reputation and image of a corporation is far more important than the safety of their customers.
I always thought that hidden cables and hoses (in the stem/head tube) were a catastrophe in the making. Fashion over function and safety !
Good morning Raoul,
This seems like Deja Vu.. The last time Specialized had a fork recall,
it was about 1,300 pieces that were
out in service. Thanks for this post.
Cheeers
Sad isn't it?
I wonder if Giant saw this issue arising and decided that exposed cables were a more reliable option for the TCR?
The TCR is a climbing bike built for lightest possible weight. The Propel is their aero bike.
I'd say they didn't switch over for headset serviceability and cockpit compatibility purposes, which is a plus.
100% agree with you mate!! That's why i thought it was B.S. i said, they wouldn't sit on that info! Clearly i was wrong!
Lol durianrider from UA-cam has been saying for a long long time
Can’t agree with you more effectively speed to market in terms of marketing is resulting in critical design failures. Thanks again very insightful for any level of rider.
Woke up... watched this with my coffee... great laugh to start the day. So funny. You buy this crap and you get what you get.
I had a similar problem with the SL6, but specialized claimed misuse. The frame was less than 1 year old. I have pictures to show
Just by looking at the pictures even a person with nothing but a little common sense can tell that metal plate is a blade which sooner or later will cut through that steerer and those cables. Can't believe no one at Specialized saw that coming when they designed that part. That's the level of the so-called "bicycle engineers". What a disgrace!
Probably they are lie on resume lol
Well... you might be wrong in such a statement as you don`t understand moments and forces let alone to name them in this example.
The fault is the steerer isn’t strong enough for disc brake leverage that works against it. Compare the leverage of a disc brake on the steerer as opposed to the short distance of rim brakes.
Think so? I would think that ultimately ultimate force comes from bringing the bike almost to a complete halt (i.e. skidding it), and that pretty much it is accepted that you can skid a front wheel with discs or rim brakes. I for sure have done that with my last road bike that peeled off a significant portion of the front tire during an attempted emergency stop in a race. I did manage to avoid crashing but the tire flatted.
So at that "maximum stopping force before skidding", I doubt there's any difference between brake models - and the torque would be greater since it comes from the full lever that goes all the way down to the tire's contact patch. It would be governed by the maximum grip provided by the tire rubber.
I am more likely to agree with the statement that indicates this comes from a larger-magnitude shock, like hitting a pothole or similar.
The longer compression plug suggests to me they are not overly confident with their solution. The compression plug normally only needs to be where the stem clamps but they obviously want it to go past the point of where the breakage happens to reinforce that area. Why don't we just fill the whole steerer tube with solid alloy 🤦
A solid rod is Not stronger than a Tube. Your Solution is Not working. Those are Mechanical Basics 1. year at university.
@@meinAliasfuer2024 it is for compression lol
@@meinAliasfuer2024 I guess internet sarcasm is missed by you, even with the appropriate emoji 🤦
The pics show the compression ring but it's a two-piece design. There seems to be missing the very thin inner ring that centers the steerer into the compression ring. If that small ring is missing, then the fork can actually rock. No wonder the steerer would break at some point. That also means: wrong installation
I agree, the shim is definitely missing. Pretty strong evidence, that the bike has not been assembled correctly.
Isn't the shim only for the up-revved design?
@@PeakTorque I don't think so. I've built a fair few of these bikes since launch.
@@AndreasHappyfarm I built one back in September 2020 and I remember the compression ring doesn't rock on the steerer tube. This frameset I built from also didn't come with the shim.
@@yonglingng5640 Okay. Well my memory could definitely be flawed 🤔 If a running change has been made to the assembly, then bikes will have shipped with the update for quite a while now.
Depends how the cables are routed internally. The way these manufacturers have been doing it is the cheap way, it was always going to end in tears. Doesn't surprise me one single bit that Specialized waited until they had a fix before issuing a stop riding announcement - they're a marketing company after all.
That's really really Bad. So, fully integrated front end is not good enough yet full stop across the board, I shall not be going with any of that yet. Blimey. Many thanks for that very important information.
The venge has the same integrated cockpit design, same compression ring. How come there haven't been any failures on the venge model?
Coz Venge is so crap that almost nobody who bought it rides it anymore xD
This is a good argument for integrated and hidden cables. They may be all that is left holding your stem and handlebar onto the bike.😅
It seems like the bike industry is regarded as the producer of hobby products. And if it goes wrong we'll... As the industry has moved into carbon with each manufacturer coming up with novel solutions the wheels are coming off. LT, Hambini and Peak Torque regularly highlight significant failings in design and use of materials. How many serious injuries or deaths must there be before proper regulation is introduced? You guys help by creating awareness and scaring the bejesus out of us. But it's necessary. Thank you.
Durden: Now, should we initiate a recall? Take the number of vehicles in the field, A, multiply by the probable rate of failure, B, multiply by the average out-of-court settlement, C. A times B times C equals X. If X is less than the cost of a recall, we don't do one.
This whole thing made me think of that too.
Spacers between the bottom of stem and headset should be aluminum to help transmit loads from the stem into the frame.
Raoul: "Cables aren't really designed to be a structural component to steer the bike with." Specialized engineer: "It depends."
Not the first for Specialized, I remember they had the same problem with one of previous gen SL frame before.
I’m not a lawyer, so I know nothing about the serpentine strategies and gameplays companies might go through, as to whether / when to make announcements for recall etc, but one comes to mind I hadn’t considered before is the statistics / probability of numbers of bikes “successfully” produced, out in the wild, not shearing at the steerer, despite crashes, for example, versus the number of cases of shearing reported.
The more bikes sold, arguably reduces the significance of the number of reported cases.
I don’t believe it does, but in the event of a legal battle, no doubt the statistical comparison would be one point argued.
And as others have mentioned, comparisons with problems in other industries etc.
Was it Nissan who had a series of cases where the accelerator pedal would jam in the full gas position?
I’m vague as to the details, but there were a (surprising) number of fatal crashes as result before the recall, and in that case, as this, I can’t imagine there weren’t more instances occurred, (fatalities?) before people cottoned on to it being a pattern.
One thing I feel has a higher chance of being true though, is they’ll have talked everything through with lawyers, early doors, for their own protection?
And this delay between perception/comprehension of a problem being present, on the one hand, and a public announcement stinks.
For anyone curious about the grim calculations Specialized made. Go watch the recall calculation scene from fight club.
I've had the same with coil shocks breaking on Kenovo e bikes and am still waiting for a air shock but ended up buying a coil from Fox and broke that 4 times and all I got was a voucher for Specialized items. Broke Roval wheels 3 times, seat posts once.
I didn't check my SL7 but i call to retailer about that problem and recall. For now i don't ride that bike until retailer is inspected the fork and replaced the parts. These integrated cockpits seems to be bad idea for now.
from specialized china web sites: Reasons for this recall:
Severe frontal collisions (such as violently hitting a deep pit on the road) may cause abnormal pressure on the front headset components and may cause cracks in the steering tube of the front fork. If the damaged front fork continues to be used, it may break, causing potential risks of falling and injury.
So…just like any carbon fiber frame or fork ever made by anybody.
The other factor that probably exacerbated the problem is the brake calliper placement at the bottom of the fork and the leverage on the top of the steerer tube.
Yes, the steerer actually can bend quite a bit under heavy braking.
I have a question... how did the fork steerer completely sever like it did? Did the spacer cut all the way around the steerer? I have cut a fair number of forks and tried to destroy steerer tube bits and it is very difficult to do so... was it a matter of impact? improperly tightened headset? I can understand why unsupported steerers fail on impact above the headset, there is more leverage at that point. But this I don't get.
I don't think its clear. But as he pointed out they machined the inside of the steerer for some reason. It looks like maybe even some slight tearing, the machining was offset, or too much material taken out?
Wouldn't a laminated cardboard steerer be a better choice? Cheaper, strong enough and in case of failure no one would ask why did it happen. Cardboard eventually just fails, no questions, no regrets.
Senator Collins:] Well, there are … regulations governing the materials they can be made of
[Interviewer:] What materials?
[Senator Collins:] Well, Cardboard’s out
[Interviewer:] And?
[Senator Collins:] …No cardboard derivatives…
[Interviewer:] Like paper?
[Senator Collins:]. … No paper, no string, no cellotape. …
[Interviewer:] Rubber?
[Senator Collins:] No, rubber’s out....
Plus it's biodegradable and recyclable!
Great vid. Thanks. Sharing around.
Please remind me why CFRP is such a great material to build bicycles with?
Raoul has covered that in other videos.
@@shibaburn7725 It was a rhetorical question.
Just checked my sl7. There seems to be gashes on the steerer tube. Hope they replace me with a brand new fork.
Glad you checked.
They probably will. Once it's damaged, it's damaged. They won't want you to keep riding on a damaged fork.
I get the concern and frustration with the lack of early communication. Hazarding a guess here - Probability wise - you’re more likely to be hit by a car or falling of you’re bike while riding than have this failure occur.
To be clear it doesn’t discount the communication issue, it just puts into perspective the actual risk.
Source?
His ass
I’ve tried to post a response about four times now and its been removed. Google it yourself, but there are multiple sources to support the comment. Favourite one is there is roughly a 0.00125% chance of being killed by a car every time you ride. This means there is a 0.25% of getting taken out if I rode my bike four times a week. Let alone having a non critical accident..
I don't remove any comments so not sure what happened to your posts.
Thanks, @leuscher teknik. I think it was my fault. It seems to be related to links to references.
Wow. Just. Wow.
This is why I steer clear of the companies engaged in this "race to the bottom" with regard to weight. Canyon, spesh all making questionable design decisions just to make a 20 gram weight savings.
What brands do you recommend for endurance or gravel bike? I cant support these companies.
yet they add disc brakes to their once lightweight road bikes lol.
@@PhiyackYuh I'm quite happy with my Yoeleo R12 as an endurance bike. It's pretty inexpensive, but still built up to 7.7kg without even trying. And the bottom bracket shell is nice and round (within my capacity to measure, and the frame seems well aligned overall.
I've only got 1 bike (sample size of 1) but having quite a few of their wheels over the years gave me great confidence to buy the frame. Wheels are perfect, better than any others including my enve's.
Irony is, all this integrated crap is actually way heavier and poorly designed.
@@PhiyackYuh How about Giant? Everyone was laughing at the new TCR when it continued with external cabling. They say they wanted to make a practical no fuss bike. I can certainly live with that.
I said it in the 80’s and I’ll say it again .. Columbus/Chromoly tubing 😬👍
tcr everyone
Aesthetics over safety is just stupid. I dont give a damn about where a cable is as long as its working.
Specialized deserves any lawsuits coming their way.
That part looks like a pipe cutter. Fear not next frame they priced at 6.5 k$ so probably legal fees are already covered with the frame itself. Constant frame price increase (much higher than the inflation and not proportional to the R&D they've put into new products) is just covering exponentiall growth of insurance risk 🤣
something ive noticed is that the 4 most prominent youtubers who call out bike industry for their bullshit are commonwealth country of origin people LT (australia) DR (australia) Hambini (UK) Peak Torque (UK), wonder why that is....
Could be. But also consider there really is more than one internet. Unless you're bi/multilingual in a non-Euro language, there's whole worlds on the web you aren't accessing. And that's not even getting into government bullshit like CCP censorship. Like, just being able to understand Japanese gives you a completely separate suite of websites and youtube channels you can't access otherwise. Like you literally can't type to go to them without Japanese.
So, it could be possible those complaints are out there, we're just not able to access them.
Ice cream sales correlated to shark attacks? FFS
@@baldyslapnut. yeah because places where people eat icecream more tend to go to the beach more
They have ordered a recall right !
I still don't understand what's wrong with external routing? Shifts great, easy to maintain for the layman mechanic, gets a bit grubby but just give it a wash and wipe occasionally. "Simplicity is the ultimate sophistication" - Leonardo Da Vinci
@Mike Kelly Exactly- K.I.S.S theory. I live by it and it's served me well.
People think it's ugly and drag-inducing. In most cases, these are the same people that will never work on their bikes.
@@yonglingng5640 Giant must be trying hard not to say "I told you so" esp back when everyone was dissing the new TCR for staying with external cabling.
@@hippoace Now that's one point (calling anything with exposed shift lines as external routing) I hate about other people. If they call that external routing, chances are, they've never seen true external routing like on pre-21st-century road bikes. (probably true for the most recent cycling newcomers)
The current TCR Advanced's routing is still known as internal routing, just that it starts at the down tube. I now personally call it traditional (or maybe I should use the word conventional) internal routing.
And I'm not even mad at the TCR Advanced's current form, in fact, I like it.
@@yonglingng5640 ah yes i meant exposed cabling at the front with internal routing through the frame.
Specialised don't have a good track record with steerers. Had another steerer problem recall in 2019 that recalled around 4500 bikes in Australia alone. It was instigated by ACCC.
That design was really curious. As a non engineer it just looks ridiculously obvious that this design wouldn’t work. I hate carbon forks. I have one on a gravel bike and I think about it every time I descend.
This is absolute BS from Specialized. It should be unacceptable for a company this big to have such a design flaw for such an expensive bike!!
Important info Raoul and thanks. And hey, I know it's your delivery style and your brain is the size of a medium roasted planet, but it took me a while [says something about my own brain volume] to get what you were on about having arrived in cold. *Not everyone is on the DR live feed.*!!
I learned a long time ago in the Air Force: engage brain before hitting the transmit button.... No one is shooting, so don't change you, but please consider.
Time reinforces their steerer tubes with kevlar, and they provide a long expander plug with their frames.
*LT* ... is the apparent multi year "legal gaming" behavior trend of Specialized common with other large industry players, e.g., Giant, Look, Trek, Cervelo, etc? Thank you
Dear Sir, can you make a review of the van rysel rcr 900 carbon bikes by decathlon, seems to be a great deal vs other high price bikes with similar components
It would be nice also if these bike companies would start making bikes with realistic head tube lengths. They sell these bikes to people who want the top end model for whatever reason and then they stick 100mm of headset spacers under the stem so their out-of-shape back won't hurt. Make a longer headtube and then more people could run a slammed stem which would put less leverage on the steer tube. Or, do what Trek did and offer the same bike with a pro length HT and an average Joe length HT.
Watching here... Fan of sworks
No thought has to be made. Rim brake road bikes have existed for ever for a reason!
Just found out about it. One has to wonder why the same design didn't fail on the venge (2019+).
I can remember when in 2006 Canyon had a recall of the fork on my F10. They issued it in December and told people not to ride their bikes anymore. I had to wait over two months until I go the RMA ticket and could send my bike in for the rework. I got it back at the end of march. But at least they weren't risking more people's health or lives by waiting until they had all the replacement logistics in place. Instead, they told people as soon as the first accident happened (I think there was one broken fork that caused it). Of course I was unhappy, but at least they had been transparent about everything. Which can't be said about Specialized.
Hello sir, I am planning to buy Gusto Cobra Sport. Do you have any review from experience or encounter any model of a Gusto bikes brand. Thank you.😃
basically all high branded bikes are all overpricing for consumer, the consumers are literally paying the bills & cost sponsors for the world top proffessional race team. Peoples are willing to pay or buy these winning brands & same bikes use in the race each year.
Specialized really do charge a lot of money for very average bikes and they are not that good!
Feel there is some hype here. Specialized has announced that they have no reports of anyone hurt by this weakness: "We have not received any injury reports." Would be very surprised if that's not true. Of course it needs to be addressed but comparing to car industry (mal)practice does not seem legit.
AURUM bikes (by Basso & Contador) have the same problem.
Put it this way the amount they charge for there equipment they can afford a total recall ,
Specialized is probably run by a bunch of Accounts & Lawyers now, not bike people 🤑
Cycling really is the wild west of product liability. How many people lost their front teeth riding on a known product fault?
To your point at the end about a better solution: the original non drilled out fork was perfectly fine. I have no problem with exposed cables. Another instance of bike industry solving a problem that never existed
Speak for yourself smh. Just because Specialized is incompetent, doesn't mean this can't be done.
So they are delaying the recall to avoid the negative press around a what might have been a lengthy solution? Absolutely disgusting behaviour.
A times B times C equals X. If X is less than the cost of a recall, we don't do one.A times B times C equals X. If X is less than the cost of a recall, we don't do one.
Just confirmed by my bike smith
I wonder how all of this could have been avoided.
clearly profits are more important to specialized than their customers safety.
Pretty disgusting imo like you say they must have known about this a while to develop a fix and said nothing.
Shocking
Congratulations, you understand how capitalism works.
I was just told by my LBS that they were investigating if any SL7s they sold were part of the recall and so far only one is. This is contrary to what I've read, where every SL7 is to be recalled. Any thoughts?
I would recommend that you read the official document from Specialized.
I don't know why except being a weight weenie or only racing people want a carbon steer tube when they are obviously not idiot proof in design or user. I'm glad I picked up an alloy steer tube carbon blade fork bike . The fork may crack at the crown or blade but at least you could see it pre or post ride inspection and worst case ya still might have a chance to save it (crash)
I don't understand why big bike uses bearings in their headsets. The Trek madone 6 used a bushing that put no pressure on the steer.
Being seriously hurt or killed is one of the standard dangers of riding a bike, whether the bike breaks or not. All companies are going to have defects at some point, and actually recalling bikes instead of blaming customers is always a responsible move that not all companies make.
One thing to consider about any delay is the number of affected bikes compared to the number of bikes that had structural failures. If the number of bikes that have structural failures is still very small compared to the number of recalled bikes, that makes the danger do the user very small as well. I do believe Specialized said they still have no reports of injuries from this problem.
Something else to consider is this sort of thing can, and does, result from abuse and misuse from the user on non-recalled bikes all the time. It's not just determining whether there's a problem, but also whether the problem is result of a design flaw, or from user error. The fewer bikes that break, the harder it is to figure that out.
You're also saying the recall is issued after the parts become available. That is not true. Repair parts are not yet available everywhere. I don't think there is even an ETA on parts at this time in my part of the world.
This is not a defect it is a design problem.
That nobody was seriously injured is luck not planning.
I have had reports that people have been asked by Specialized to remove posts on this.
People have reported that the parts are available at their LBS.
It sounds like you are blaming customers in para 3.
This is not a defect it is a design problem.
@@LuescherTeknik That's a very strong opinion for someone who didn't engineer one of these frames. You're looking at it completely from the outside with no idea of what happened in the design process, or even any idea of what causes the failures in the first place. The fork (the part that broke) isn't even recalled at this point.
If you think I'm just blaming customers, you clearly didn't read my comments. It is a fact that many frame failures are caused by misuse, abuse or bad assembly by the customer. My point was that it is sometimes difficult to tell if that's what happened, or if the frame (individual or by design) is defective, unless you have multiple frame failures.
I actually do this for a living and have so since 2008, I have been the lead designer for frames/parts, consulted, expert witness etc and have had over 6000 frames/forks come through my workshop. I have been to the factories in Taiwan and China, presented at conferences, previously I have worked at the Australian Institute of Sport and also aerospace since 1992. From this experience there are things that I see that others may not.
The point is do you really believe that any company would issue a stop riding recall notice if there was no issue?
@@LuescherTeknik I don't think a company would issue a recall at all if there was no issue, but I also think people tend to blow things out of proportion and assume malice when there is none.
Donde se puede conseguir el spacer?
Yet that claim they spent milions upon milions on R&D and extent amount of time on testing to justify very high price.Your 10k USD bike is a ticking bomb and they dont even bother to inform you.Specialized SL7 is not a road bike is a an extrme sport bike nowadays.
And they charge 13000$ for the bike?
Pretty hard to draw any conclusions without background information on what led to the cause of the failure 🤔
It sounds like there's multiple failures of the same type which would suggest a flaw in manufacturing, design or both and less likely that it's 'user error'. Even more so considering Specialized themselves have come up with a solution to the problem.