Tying into the idea of Goten and Trunks being believable, I always thought the relief and joy they expressed when Gohan showed up was far more real and heartfelt than most of (maybe any of) Goku's last minute saves. In the show, all the characters know for sure that Goku is coming, he's just late and they have to just run down the clock until he gets there. In this movie, Goten and Trunks are just kids who have no idea that anyone is coming to help them at all, so the release of tension when Gohan does show up is that much greater, and much more earned. Also, at the risk of dragging this post out, while I do understand the criticisms about "caveman Brolly," I always kind of liked the idea that it shows Brolly, for all his power, did not come out of the first movie unscathed. Sure, he seems physically fine, but mentally he's clearly not all there anymore.
This was the first Dragon Ball *anything* that I ever watched. I watched it in Japanese with english subtitles and then I went on to watch Dragon Ball and Dragon Ball Z much later. It's strange to think that this era of Dragon Ball where Goku is dead, Gohan is a teenager with a little brother named Goten, Trunks is a kid, Kuririn has hair, and Videl is a recurring character was my first introduction to this franchise. I still remember watching the "We Gotta Power" opening and being mesmerized by how many interesting looking characters were in it as well as how much history they seemed to have. It made me want to learn more about them and be introduced to the characters that weren't in this movie, which I eventually did.
@@MaxIronsThird Yeah, they could've had a Jojo's Bizarre Adventure/Castlevania/Avatar thing going on, passing the torch from one MC to another. Before Super was a thing, my take would be from Goku, to Gohan, to Goten, to Pan & Uub, and finally Goku Jr.
ya know...i do wonder if they were at one point trying to make a silly original dragon ball style adventure movie, but were forced to include broly in it later down the road to get the seats in the threater fearing they wouldnt like it otherwise....in which case, it would be funny considering how thats basically what the path to power movie is, and i think that one was fairly successful
I'm disappointed you didn't mention Trunks' role in stopping Broly. He's basically Vegeta from the Cell Saga climax, where he provides a momentary distraction to enable Gohan (w/ undead Goku cheering him on) to defeat the bad guy in a beam struggle. Since Vegeta isn't in this movie, his son fills that in his place. One of the few aspects of the Cell Saga climax that doesn't get ripped off in Bojack Unbound ends up getting ripped off in this movie instead.
I always liked the idea of Dragon Ball moving on with Goten and Trunks as main character successors. I remember back before GT released here, a middle school friend, who was my source for halfway-accurate advance information about what was coming, told me that GT stood for "Goten's Time." I thought about that again when I saw the first or second episode of Super, when Goten and Trunks fight a giant snake, or whatever. That part was fun and really made me reminisce about my ideas of how a Dragon Ball sequel should be.
Broly was smart enough in the first movie to me. He was smart enough to realize his father was trying to leave the planet on his spaceship without him. And made him pay for it.
@@PrimeroJinJusuke I mean, he spent 7 years frozen, and that's after surviving the impact on Earth. He wasn't a very mentally stable person before, so it kinda makes sense for him to go nuts.
@@LeRodz Did they even see the previous Broly film? He was dead! Blown up into nothingness! Clearly, they just needed a design to recycle for a monster the boys needed to be saved from.
People give the last two Broly movies hell, but that animation and unique character interactions between the boys and Videl, 18, Mr Satan and the animation is a refreshing breather compared to what we did get in the series
At this point I'm convinced people who actively hate on these two movies are just Broly die hard fans who can't accept how his handled in them (understandable with Bio Broly to a extent tbf)
Videl's not a male or Saiyan unfortunately for her "marketability"... and also not Bulma. I love her adaptation in Dragon Ball Multiverse though. It's badass! It shows that she has much more potential as a character.
@@ieatvirgins I loved teen Gohan and Videl when i was a kid, actually still do, but not what they become later. Pan is annoying as fuck in GT, everything is annoying as fuck in GT.
@@ieatvirgins I think #18 is universally liked by the fanbase. If they just do more with her that would be lovely. I was a big fan of teen Chi-chi as well. I think the main problem is the series can create really appealing female characters but then just drops them or turns them sort of docile. Maybe it's because Toriyama-san loses interest or maybe it's because he thinks his "young male" audience wouldn't be interested. Either way, it does rob his story of some awesome moments for characterization.
I love this movie too. Say what you will about its flaws but at least it gives goten and trunks something to do aside from immediately fusing or being background characters.
I’m honestly kinda surprised Gotenks has so little screentime in the movies. He gets less than a minute in Fusion Reborn, a brief fight sequence in Wrath of the Dragon and nothing but a literal spanking in Battle of Gods... it’s at least nice to get some variety in Goten & Trunks fights. And despite being teased, he doesn’t even appear in GT. (and only has a few minutes total in Super so far) I wonder if the writers don’t like him or smth
While I undertand that not having Piccolo and Vegeta in this movie is some fresh air, it is a great plot hole, everyone can sense Ki, how is possible that those two don´t appear once Broly shows up?
Vegeta gave up fighting because Gohan killed Cell and he never really liked Trunks anyway. Piccolo could predict the shenanigans he'd have to go through with those kids during the tail end of the Buu saga, so he also was like 'fuck those kids'
The movie is ok for what it was, it definitely has it's plot holes, specifically Broly reappearing when the last movie explicitly showed he exploded and Goku coming back all of a sudden without the Dragon being used, but it does try to tell a simple story and had some pretty good character interactions. And it does have some pretty cool moments, like the Son Family Kamehameha.
I actually do enjoy the films that let the minor characters shine and when you watch the movies sequentially, it is nice to get a break from the formula that previous movies stuck to.
I find the plot of this movie to be very stupid but I like to come back to it from time to time, it just reminds me of an era, era of what? I don't know but It just makes me feel nostalgic.
I really wish we got more Videl scenes in the manga and in the later films (and that she was actually an active character in GT). I love her character, she’s one of my favorites from the later portion of the series, and good god was she under utilized.
Broly's appearance over the lake, bathed in fog and cool lighting is such a fucking awesome moment. Also Videl is cute in this movie, so it's automatically good.
AyyyyyYOOO AJAY, a question, do you plan on analysing animation of other anime besides Digimon. Maybe Black Clover? I saw in a video of a channel named Forgotten Relics that Nakathsuru works or worked on it?
There's a simple logical explanation for why Broly's pod headed to Earth. In the original Broly film, Paragus states that his real desire is to take over Earth after his revenge on Vegeta is completed. So, one would assume that the space pods were already preprogrammed to go to Earth, not much different than how the Ginyu Force pods were programmed to go to Yadrat. It makes perfect sense.
@@spartanq7781 Yeah, even though I'm not a huge fan of the three Broly films, they are connected. The comet destroyed "Fake Planet Vegeta," Broly escapes via a space pod that was programmed with the destination for Earth considering Paragus stated it was his desire to conquer the planet. Broly crash lands, wakes up and is defeated a second time. But his DNA is collected and sold to the highest bidder hence Bio Broly.
I used to think I was one of the only people that actually liked Movie 10 and 11 because they were different from the rest, so when I clicked the video I expected him to tear into this movie. But no. I'm so glad that someone doesn't have the exact same mindset as every other Dragon Ball Fan.
i mean if youve followed the movie reviews so far youd assume any break in formula will be praised. my guess is 12 will be loathed again, and 13 will be considered mediocre.
The “Caveman Broli” from the video title reminds me of a term I put together when watching the 1st Big Green Coola movie: “Caveman Goku”, who’s barely able to speak and reacts to a dire situation with this heartbreaking line: “Big Green Dead?” . . (Salza laughing in the distance)
I remember being in Italy for spring break 2001, when I saw pictures of this movie. Having just seen the Cell Arc broadcast in the fall of 2000, this was my first glimpse of teenage Gohan and Goten.
There should have been a line or a scene at the beginning of the dragonball hunt where Gohan says (or Videl says for him) that he'll be along later, but he has to do something first. It could even be a cutaway gag were the something he's doing is waiting in line to buy a Dragon Quest game or an idea equally as stupid. That way Gohan (like Broli) is promised to be in the movie early in and shows up when he's needed.
I'm actually relieved to know I'm not the only one who loved this movie. I'm aware of it's many faults, but I can look past it and enjoy it for what it is.
Really nice to learn that not everyone hates this one, because it happens to be my favourite As much as I agree with Gohan's role being very clunky here, and him needing a win of his own, man, he is just so ALPHA in this movie. Maybe it's just my bias for this version of Gohan, but I like that this put a TEEEEEEEEENSY bit more focus on him, and made him a bit of a badass
I like Beerus. He is one of the best "new" characters to come out of the post Z era. Is a bit sad that he doesn't do that much because of how stupid he is in terms of power.
I knew I wasn't weird for liking this movie. It looked beautiful, Gohan, Videl, Goten, and Trunks get spotlight, Goku and his sons have a "nice" moment, and Broly, while being absolutely ooga booga, was ooga booga enough to keep my interest. I love this video for making me realize this.
The only movie I remember watching growing up because it was so much fun. Wish there was more like these. Probably the most relatively organic movie of the bunch where one plot leads right into the action pretty well, except for a few hiccups at the end.
Thanks for putting Videl on the thumbnail of this episode of Dragon Ball Dissection, @MistareFusion! It should be obvious to anyone who has seen this film that Videl is the REAL MVP of this movie!
Also, I fully agree with you about having wanted Videl to have more of an active role in the fight against Broli! I hate the shoehorning of Goku to force him to save the day, as per the usual, as well!
Normally I don't mind the hot takes and most of the time I agree with them This isn't one of those times. Breaking the formula is good, but that doesn't mean what's there is very effective in a vacuum- which is to say, looking at it as its own piece without starting from the basis that there is a formula to 'break' (while at the same time shoving an out-of-context antagonist)- which is why most people dislike this movie. The original bits aren't that fun _or_ funny, because the attempts at humor are... well... _basic_ to say the least. Still, it's a good video, and I'm glad someone found enjoyment in this piece of media. If this is how the Bio-Broly review is going to go... I can actually agree more there, since it actually commits to stuff this one movie basically only teases or keeps as time filler.
Thank you Mister, you made me think about how Broly had been used here, making me rethink that his "character" here made sense in the context of the movie's structure. It is really a shame though, that this characterization here of Broly became his defacto character ever since, a raging beast for the sake of being a raging beast, no moment to show if he could be a good guy (like Hulk) or a genuine evildoer... and I think we can all see that even his 2018 incarnation main quirk, is being just that, a mindless beast, only that time, without even being build up as a super legendary monster... I can't wait to hear what you think about his 2018 rebranding, especially when compared to the og version... I, in the midtime, will tell you that to me, og Broly initially was more felt as a dangerous character, in the sense that he still acted on his own, and talked in his first outing; the 2018 Broly doesn't have that, he has a brief sequence of talking and exposition, but when it comes to the big dumb fight, he is just an object, a bland characterless wall... really a shame in my opinion, especially since he still gets narratively murdered at the end of the movie, exiled on Vampa to never be seen again!
That is the BIGGEST patron list I've seen for someone with 20k subscribers but I definitely believe you deserve every one of them. Always enjoy your videos! Just hate how they seem to go by so fast!
Honestly THIS is why I love this broly next to the first one because it captures a next generation formula with the dragon team videl goten and trunks trio reminded me of early dragon ball adventures particularly kid goku and krillin and bulma during the pirate cave part of the red ribbon arc
Taking the piss out of Broly was the best idea in any of these movies. Throwing all the powerlevel nonsense out window, and bringing us back to the first arcs of dragon ball with giant monsters and expert martial artists getting smacked around by cheeky little kids.
I've always loved this movie. I wish the main trio got more time together in later movies, they work really well. They could've easily explained Gohan's sudden appearance by having them mention that he was going to join them in their search after finishing studying or something.
That one fix would have done wonder for Gohan as to actually give him a reason to be here. Funnily enough in the next movie the trio swaps out Videl for #18. It even gives Kurrin something to do besides getting beat up and complaining about it. Like this movie did but done better albeit not as funny.
I wouldn't say Videl is swapped with #18, as Mr Satan is paired with her instead, which of course is comedy gold. Bio Broly is awesome too, I love the focus on the B cast.
It's like they had to nerf broli every time they have a sequel, because he's just too strong! Oh erm... he's frozen so his power isn't as strong. Oh he's a clone now! I bet if they did a 4th movie from this version of Broli they'd probably have him as an illusion of hologram, just to make sure he can be defeated XD
The biggest problem with Broly is that he's just too strong. That's his character, that's his personality, that's his backstory and that's the role he plays in all of the movies. There's nothing interesting you can do with him unless you completely rewrite his character, so he can only be used as a mechanical boss instead of a narrative one, which, just like Miltank in Crystal, you can only keep punching until it dies and find a way to avoid getting steam rolled by that powerhouse. If you put characters that are weaker than the first cast that fought him was and you still expect Broly to be defeated the traditional way, you MUST nerf him. Let's be real here, any SSJ could have broken Videl in a single attack, yet here we Broly who has no regard for life just beating her up. Power creep has always been a problem with Z, but the Broly movies just ignore power scaling itself when it is convenient.
@@TwilightWolf032 It's not even that he's just too strong, it's that he's too strong and as deep as a puddle. It's not enough for him to be "the biggest number", his default state of being is "murder". We can't delve into stuff like who he is, what does he like, or what he wants, because we saw that last movie. He likes to kill and destroy stuff, and wants to kill and destroy all the stuff.He worked as a one-off movie villain, but bringing him back was a mistake.
@@TwilightWolf032 Yep, its probably why people like him. Broly is kinda like the opposite of a main character; someone who keeps getting stronger, is unmatched by all non-main characters and only loses due to reasons for them to come back stronger. Broly is like what if Goku was a bad guy and it's probably why people like him. Probably why he is the only one (besides cooler) to get a sequel ! Although there's a problem with writing someone with a sort of main character plot-armour... he can't be killed without a a macguffin or some reason thing that just happens to work; like punching him really hard. The writers literally wrote themselves into a corner :D
That being said, he isn't unsalvageable. They probably could have done a story like "Broli finds an interest in something that isn't violence, and the Dragon Team spends the movie trying to give him more while also figuring out how to get rid of him."
So I never realized this got released before Vegeta kills himself against Buu. So now my first question is where is Vegeta? Also, why would Videl hang out with her not yet boyfriend's little brother and friend without Gohan? Was Gohan at a high school conference? And when he shows it, why did he spend time not being SSJ? This is Broly we're talking about. The guy who took a point blank SSJ Kamehameha to the face and didn't bat an eye. I do agree they should have left it vague with the dragon balls. Seeing them dispersed made no sense. Especially since they weren't used in the traditional sense. I also do find it interesting that this is really their first life or death battle, especially considering at this point they hadn't fought Buu yet in the manga.
When I re-watched all the 13 movies this year, this one was the one I found the most boring. Meanwhile movie 11 turned out to be better than I remembered.
I've never watched this movie in full. I just assumed most of it was fighting, which is why I was shocked when you said you love it. I should probably give this movie a fair shake and watch it all the way through.
Gotta say, I love the backgrounds of this film. Those lakes and greyish-green pines and mountains are BEAUTIFUL. Looks like it could be Alaska. I'd like to see more of that and fewer barren deserts.
I have always liked this movie. I never understood the hate this movie gets. I don't get a lot of the popular opinions of the Dragon Ball community. It's one reason I learned that our opinions should be treasured not marginalized. I mentioned this in your Twitter post but this outfit of Videl is the best one she ever has. Overall Tenshinhan has the best outfits except that stupid looking t-shirt in the late Cell arc. Say goodbye to any sort of relevance. Also I love how this movie looks I wish the series itself looked like this. It's weird the movies stick closer to the manga colors more than the anime based on.
As someone who is openly apathetic to this movie, to me this one could've been good without Broli around since bringing him back totally ruins his original death in Movie. Just as how much Movie 6 ruined the resolution of Movie 5.
@@spartanq7781 well yes 13 and Bojack represent the worst of DBZ Movie Villains as nothing more than lifeless cardobard blubs with nothing to go for them. While the other ones, just clones of previously established villains, but without some of the elements that made him interesting before the fight happens where it is downhill. See Coola and Janemba, even though the latter is my favorite DBZ movie villain for his fun skillset and how well animated his fight is despite lacking the range and exhuberance Majin Boo displayed. As for Coola, yeah he is overhyped as Broli.
When Broly becomes the LSSJ on the 1st movie he wasn't a Goku obsessed bore, as a villain he was a mix of Freeza and Cell imo; he was snarky, sarcastic, had a dark sense of humor and loved every minute of his tyranny because his character was perfectly aligned with the way Saiyans were originally portrayed back in the 90s. When Broly becomes free of the mental strain by transforming he becomes a completely different character, sure he says Goku will be his 1st victim but he immediately targets Gohan and Trunks afterward, everyone was an equal target, in the Japanese version Broly even admits that he respects Goku, Gohan, Trunks and Piccolo for trying to stop him when they knew they couldn't beat him.
To be honest I really don't like how the movies of Dragon Ball Z are struchedred either, there often repetitive, have too much fighting but without proper build up, and a lot of the villians just bled in together. and I'm not really that much of a fan of Broil, nor do I see why he is popular as everyone says. he's just anonther strong enemy who is overpowered and barely has any other diologe other than Kakerotto. (Aka Kakerot.) So thanks for reviewing this movie. I definitely think Movies 10 and 11 are very underrated.
I do somewhat get that this movie is supposed to be more of a lighthearted farce (at least until the climax), but I personally don’t think it works. The movie ultimately strikes me as boring and lacking. This ultimately just feels like it could be an extended filler episode of the TV series, which is always the weakest part of these movies. I’m not outraged that Broly is played less seriously this time around, but it’s not enough to make this movie stand out either. Frankly, I somewhat prefer Movie 11 simply because that one fully embraces being weird schlock that’s truly unlike anything ever seen in the manga.
You know, I'm in the camp that this film is still mostly pretty boring (even if I also like some of the antics), but I do step up to defend Bio Broli. I can't wait to see your review of that one.
The Dragon Balls responding to a wish without Shenron is kind of an asspull if you ask me. If the Dragon Balls were capable of doing that, Frieza would have been immortal a long time ago.
@SonicmaniaVideos That...was literally his wish on Namek. Yes, if the Dragonballs just responded to wishes, he would be inmortal after Ginyu brought them to him. The dragons don't base wish granting on morals.
I've always really liked this movie. As I got older and gained access to the internet. I was genuinely surprised to find out just how much hate this movie got and currently still gets to this day. It's a fun lighthearted romp featuring three characters that don't get enough shine either in the manga and or anime adaptation. That work greatly with one another as a trio. Kuririn shows up to take Piccolo's trope for crying out loud. That alone should tell people to not take this one so seriously and to enjoy its lighthearted nature. It's nice and even kinda refreshing to finally see somebody defending this movie. Great video as always MistareFusion! Keep up your great work and rock on! Cheers!
So glad u mentioned Krillin dressed as Piccolo bc aside from Videl he was my fav thing abt this movie. As for why Gohan hallucinated him as red belt Piccolo despite him wearing a blue belt, ig he took one too many blows to the noggin
I don’t feel Gohan feels tacked on, you need someone strong to be able to contend w broly. For a goten and trunks story to work you’d need to swap out broly as the villain. Perhaps Gohan could’ve been a bit more integrated into the plot but it’s nice to have an adventure w just Videl and the kids. In total agreement Goku feels tacked on at the end, and it’d been better if he was more of an image instead of an actual wish from the Dragonballs. Love that triple Kamehameha image though, so iconic.
I’m continually pleased with these videos. I haven’t watched this movie in ages and I’m really interested to watch it again under this new way of looking at the film
I watched the movie recently (in preparation for this video lol), and thought the same about the Dragon Balls. It's not vague enough on what happened with them. If they left it more ambiguous, it could be a bit more mysterious
Technically, this movie is flawless: it's directed by a monster like Shigeyasu Yamauchi, and supervised by Tadayoshi Yamamuro at the absolute peak of his career. I also like the idea of a different main cast, the second half is better than the first... Nonetheless, I believe this is the worst film of the Broly trilogy and overall, also very stupid: 1) Goten-Trunks-Videl doesn't work too much as a main cast, which probably explains why they had to include Gohan as well midway through. If there's one thing Bio-Broly does better is adding #18 and Mr. Satan alongside Goten and Trunks, in fact there's no Vegeta, no Piccolo, no Gohan... and Goku appears only when the movie is literally over. 2) Broly surviving Goku's punch and the explosion of New Vegeta is very unlikely and contrived, and to think that him and Paragus only had ONE space pod to escape, which was smashed by Broly himself... yet, he's shown landing on Earth on a space pod. 3) I'm one of the very few people who defend the reason for Broly hating Kakarotto in M8, since it may be related to actual psychological birth traumas. Goten's crying waking up Broly is a shameless reference to the first film, and it sounds extremely asinine as I don't think Broly is able to hear sounds from such a distance. 4) Krillin taking Piccolo's role to save Gohan is clearly self-mockery of Koyama's own formulas. It would've been nice if Koyama'd stopped it right there. Of course he had to ruin it by having Krillin being humiliated, typical of his stupid movie formulas. 5) One of my favorite aspects of the first film was seeing Goku, Gohan, Trunks, Piccolo and Vegeta getting humiliated by Broly for over 30 minutes. Broly could take on a point-blank range Kamehameha. With that said, while I'd understand why Goten and Trunks wouldn't suffer much damage at first, I just can't accept Videl taking Broly's damage SLIGHTLY. I can't believe Broly is weaker than Spopovich. 6) The Family Kamehameha is the umpteenth example of Koyama self-referencing himself. As much as I love Kazuya Hisada, it feels like rewatching the Kamehameha struggle from the Cell Games, only worse.
Really glad that you ended up loving this movie as much I did. I never understood why this and bio broly were among the most hated when they're easily the ones I rewatch the most. This has been a great dragon ball december and I look forward to future content in 2021. Happy New Year!
I really want to agree with your stance on this film, but I can’t. Nearly everything works except the presence of Broly, who acts as the fly in the ointment. I’m of the thinking that Broly as a character has been utter garbage until his reformulation in Super, so everything his old incarnation touches turns to crap. The cast of this movie was the perfect excuse to scale back the villain like they did in the JSAT special. Strong enough to be troublesome but not world-ending. If they had done that, this film would stand beside Mystical Adventure as one of the best films of the franchise. But Koyama just couldn’t stop hitting that crack pipe.
funny you say that because broly is in his worst version during the DBS movie, as soon as he start fighting he is even worse than bio broly, his normal calm version in that movie was the best version.
Mistare gotta be purposely contrived to get those clicks. He's over glossing so many critisisms just to force a positive spin as he knows it isn't popular.
@@ssjduelistDD Could be, but he also must just be tired of watching the "same" movie over and over again, looking from that perspective, Second Coming could a good change of pace.
@ssjduelistDD Do you even read your own comments? How is this title controversial? How would it grab more clicks by stating their opinion...on a video without any kind of clickbait? How does it not fit that they like a movie that doesn't abide by the fórmula of other movies they have hated before? It really seems like some DB fans are just like hard conservatives and can't even grasp the idea of someone disagreeing with them so they must be faking it. It's ridiculous. I fail to understand how you can watch DBD and be surprised by their reaction at this movie.
god, I love this movie. This was the first Dragon Ball thing I owned on a DVD when I was a kid. Love the fact that every Dragon Ball media regained the sillyness of its early era during those years. Happy New Year, Lance! Thanks for the excellent content!
I'm a bit surprised people hate the second movie- This is a great movie and its focus on the characters again and I'm also just glad we got something far different. I love the fake out with Krillin too, I thought it was just some lazy Piccolo moment that was going to happen but NOPE! Krillin saves the day! Plus Gohan fight with Broly is fun to me and has a BRUTAL FEEL. I always had the idea that the movies were an alt timeline were certain things happened, and with this one I just always thought it was like the normal timeline. So before the tournament and before they find out Goku's coming back. Maybe Gohan meets Videl earlier, and how does Gohan getting his shit kicked in by Broly affect him? After this does he train to hell and back just in case? It's all so interesting to me.
This was interesting, different then usual, but that's normal around here, which is good :D Happy end and beginning of the new year for everyone around here.
I'm really waiting for Lance to get to Fusion Reborn, I'd love to see him talk about Japan mocking their old ally Hitler "look at that asshole, he's a complete loser isn't he? We've never been anything like him we promise."
@@orbracha25 He probably won't even use that name. He'll use the original non-dub name which is likely gonna be super hard to remember for the rest of the fanbase.
I wonder if we'll get a 1995 Fashion Extravaganza mocking his silly little uniform. Seriously, Fusion Reborn made fun of the uniform, and his symbol is replaced with a cross or "X" . According to "The Dao of Dragonball" this symbol means "fail", "no good", as well as "dead". It's also used for marking incorrect answers on children's tests.
Based on patterns, I'm gonna try predicting your opinions on the last three movies. (I haven't seen any of them so apologies if I get any facts wrong) Bio-Broly: Bonus point for focusing on Satan and 18. Good resolution for the priest in this film. Appreciation for Goten and Trunks being more serious from having already met Broly. Uninteresting design for Bio-Broly and the other Bio-Warriors. Great ending as the fighting starts and ends with the same characters with no one else showing up at the last minute. Unnecessary last scene about Goku preparing to fight Broly. Fusion Reborn: Great visuals and music. Fun moments with the heroes defending Earth from revived villains and fat Gogeta. Villain made interesting for his powers and design but also loses it a bit due to being a lesser copy of the current manga main villain. Good ending due to the fusion actually defeating the threat but weak for feeling unnecessary (this one is the biggest guess as I don't know your entire opinion on fusion yet other than finding Gogeta pointless in Broly 4). Wrath of the Dragon: Fascinating story focusing on new characters. Trend breaking villain that works great as the type of threat it's meant to be. Riveting bonding between Trunks and Tapion. Ending ruined because of Goku taking the spotlight at the last second.
I thought I was deranged for enjoying this movie, even if I haven’t seen it in over a decade. I loved the character interactions and the distinct atmosphere.
Gohan is just never allowed to do anything right why do the writers hate him? (thinking about upcoming boo arc things and crying "my boy, my beautiful boy")
I gotta disagree, I think city girl Videl was VERY in-character to ridicule the idea of mystical sacrifice at this point in time. I get the feeling that people surrounded by capsule corp tech all the time believe more in science. Even after learning flight, I don't buy that her skepticism would 100% disappear overnight. Some of the crazy things she saw later, like god's home base, are what opened her up. Her participation in the SSJ God ritual signals a sign of change in her character.
I have a hard time seeing the relation between her indirect participation on the SSG ritual and her character arc which was already over for years by the time BoG came out and its never alluded to in the movie. He never struggles with the idea of the ritual working or ever voice her thoughts on it. That change of heart would have already taken place when she met literal God and saw and even experienced Shenron'a abilities.
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If I had to rewrite this movie, I would have taken Broly away. Let Videl, Goten and Trunks have their adventures with an entirely original villain and without Gohan interfering. They end up saving the village from the dragon all by themselves. Keep the scenes with Goten trying to pray for the Dragonballs, but no one comes to their rescue when they need it. Goten and Trunks end up overcoming the dire situation by finally realizing they can actually die in the situation they're in and getting scared, but having Videl comfort them big sister style and encouraging them to fight against the odds. Keep in line with the theme of the show, give the new characters the spotlight without taking it away for Goku, give Videl a purpose to be there by shifting into the mentor character when the boys need it the most and make Goten and Trunks into the underdogs fighting a Goliath. Gohan can show up in the end to teach them how to summon Shenlong and repair all the damages caused to the village, a serious and selfless wish to contrast with the silly and self-centered wishes Goten and Trunks wanted in order to showcase their growth throughout the movie. Now, if I were to rewrite Broly, I would have made him into a lab rat for his father that turned him into an artificial SSJ by infusing the blood of a thousand Saiyans into his own son, trying to replicate the legend. That's why he's green, instead of golden - he's a transformation gone wrong - and why he's nothing but a muscle ball of destruction - his brain got mostly destroyed in the process, which is why he's so meek in base form and requires the tiara to be controlled by Paragus, otherwise he's a Vegetable. The cast doesn't win by beating him, but by using the Dragonballs to heal him.
I think the film is good, but there is a few issues that the film has. 1. Videl taken out of the game early on. 2. The majority of Broly's dialogue being "Kakarot". 3. Gohan and Kuririn are the only z fighters that show up. 4. The deus ex machina ending.
Tying into the idea of Goten and Trunks being believable, I always thought the relief and joy they expressed when Gohan showed up was far more real and heartfelt than most of (maybe any of) Goku's last minute saves. In the show, all the characters know for sure that Goku is coming, he's just late and they have to just run down the clock until he gets there. In this movie, Goten and Trunks are just kids who have no idea that anyone is coming to help them at all, so the release of tension when Gohan does show up is that much greater, and much more earned.
Also, at the risk of dragging this post out, while I do understand the criticisms about "caveman Brolly," I always kind of liked the idea that it shows Brolly, for all his power, did not come out of the first movie unscathed. Sure, he seems physically fine, but mentally he's clearly not all there anymore.
So there was a reason for my young self to like this movie and I wasn't just stupid.
it one of the more solid movies
It used to be my favourite now I see why
Yeah I agree
This was the first Dragon Ball *anything* that I ever watched. I watched it in Japanese with english subtitles and then I went on to watch Dragon Ball and Dragon Ball Z much later. It's strange to think that this era of Dragon Ball where Goku is dead, Gohan is a teenager with a little brother named Goten, Trunks is a kid, Kuririn has hair, and Videl is a recurring character was my first introduction to this franchise. I still remember watching the "We Gotta Power" opening and being mesmerized by how many interesting looking characters were in it as well as how much history they seemed to have. It made me want to learn more about them and be introduced to the characters that weren't in this movie, which I eventually did.
This era of Dragon Ball had a lot of potential that was ultimately wasted.
@@MaxIronsThird it did lol everyone craves something new from dragon ball. This was it and akira toriyama wasted it lol
I had similar experience with other series. This is interesting, I can totally see how the story looked like a giant epic one by the time you joined.
@@MaxIronsThird Yeah, they could've had a Jojo's Bizarre Adventure/Castlevania/Avatar thing going on, passing the torch from one MC to another. Before Super was a thing, my take would be from Goku, to Gohan, to Goten, to Pan & Uub, and finally Goku Jr.
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I like how this one opens with the Dragonball version of "waaa waaa" music.
whats the song?
ya know...i do wonder if they were at one point trying to make a silly original dragon ball style adventure movie, but were forced to include broly in it later down the road to get the seats in the threater fearing they wouldnt like it otherwise....in which case, it would be funny considering how thats basically what the path to power movie is, and i think that one was fairly successful
I wonder if every movie had to be written as marketing. What was the standard for these movies?
@@majztic these pre-BoG movies are nothing more than animation showcases to promote the fact that the anime exists.
@@majztic they played at toei animation festivals iirc
That's a really great & interesting theory, I've read similar backgrounds with other movies like that, mainly superhero movies. So I believe it.
I'm disappointed you didn't mention Trunks' role in stopping Broly. He's basically Vegeta from the Cell Saga climax, where he provides a momentary distraction to enable Gohan (w/ undead Goku cheering him on) to defeat the bad guy in a beam struggle. Since Vegeta isn't in this movie, his son fills that in his place. One of the few aspects of the Cell Saga climax that doesn't get ripped off in Bojack Unbound ends up getting ripped off in this movie instead.
I always liked the idea of Dragon Ball moving on with Goten and Trunks as main character successors.
I remember back before GT released here, a middle school friend, who was my source for halfway-accurate advance information about what was coming, told me that GT stood for "Goten's Time."
I thought about that again when I saw the first or second episode of Super, when Goten and Trunks fight a giant snake, or whatever. That part was fun and really made me reminisce about my ideas of how a Dragon Ball sequel should be.
Wow, little Trunks is more mature than Vegeta
Yeah surprised he didn't mention this.
The whole thing with Natade village is a reference to a chapter of Journey to the West.
Broly was smart enough in the first movie to me. He was smart enough to realize his father was trying to leave the planet on his spaceship without him. And made him pay for it.
doesn't take much of a brain to realize your caretaker is a dirty coward.
@@AnAverageGoblin At least in movie 8, Broly talked a lot. In movie 10, he only has one line where he doesn’t scream, laugh or says „KAKAROTTO!“.
@@PrimeroJinJusuke That may be the case, but his lines are so forgettable that I couldn't even remember them.
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I mean, he spent 7 years frozen, and that's after surviving the impact on Earth. He wasn't a very mentally stable person before, so it kinda makes sense for him to go nuts.
@@LeRodz Did they even see the previous Broly film? He was dead! Blown up into nothingness! Clearly, they just needed a design to recycle for a monster the boys needed to be saved from.
Always happy to see Videl get some spotlight! Wish it happened more!
All female characters have this problem (except Bulma who gets into some story progression).
- Chi-Chi
- Launch
- Videl
- 18
@@38procentkrytyk Without Bulma they would all be dead.
Even bulmas not completely safe from it.
Toei always did more with her character than Toriyama himself ever did.
Even Great Saiyaman Mk. II is movie-only.
1 this movie looks pretty
2 videl looks cute in that dress
3 thats it, thats all the memorable stuff in this movie.
The Family Kamehameha
People give the last two Broly movies hell, but that animation and unique character interactions between the boys and Videl, 18, Mr Satan and the animation is a refreshing breather compared to what we did get in the series
agreed...i always liked the animation in those movies.
At this point I'm convinced people who actively hate on these two movies are just Broly die hard fans who can't accept how his handled in them (understandable with Bio Broly to a extent tbf)
Videl's not a male or Saiyan unfortunately for her "marketability"... and also not Bulma. I love her adaptation in Dragon Ball Multiverse though. It's badass! It shows that she has much more potential as a character.
Unfortunately, icky girls do not, in fact, appeal to the juvenile Dragon Ball audience. Unless they're a Saiyan, of course.
Not Pan, though.
@@ieatvirgins I loved teen Gohan and Videl when i was a kid, actually still do, but not what they become later.
Pan is annoying as fuck in GT, everything is annoying as fuck in GT.
@@ieatvirgins I think #18 is universally liked by the fanbase. If they just do more with her that would be lovely. I was a big fan of teen Chi-chi as well. I think the main problem is the series can create really appealing female characters but then just drops them or turns them sort of docile. Maybe it's because Toriyama-san loses interest or maybe it's because he thinks his "young male" audience wouldn't be interested. Either way, it does rob his story of some awesome moments for characterization.
@@ieatvirgins errmmm...not really? videl, launch, bulma, no.18 and android 21 are beloved by the fan base
@@slifer875 Launch? Who's that?
I love this movie too. Say what you will about its flaws but at least it gives goten and trunks something to do aside from immediately fusing or being background characters.
I’m honestly kinda surprised Gotenks has so little screentime in the movies. He gets less than a minute in Fusion Reborn, a brief fight sequence in Wrath of the Dragon and nothing but a literal spanking in Battle of Gods... it’s at least nice to get some variety in Goten & Trunks fights.
And despite being teased, he doesn’t even appear in GT. (and only has a few minutes total in Super so far) I wonder if the writers don’t like him or smth
I guess so....
While I undertand that not having Piccolo and Vegeta in this movie is some fresh air, it is a great plot hole, everyone can sense Ki, how is possible that those two don´t appear once Broly shows up?
Gohan probably said "Dont worry I got this".
Vegeta was probably laughing his ass off when broly was kneeing Gohans back.
@@DGISALWAYS Nah, he was probably crying in the bathroom praying that he doesn't have to fight broly again
@@lfb7834 Vegeta is the type of guy who wouldn't learn his lesson till his spine is broken.
@@DGISALWAYS Not with broly
Vegeta gave up fighting because Gohan killed Cell and he never really liked Trunks anyway. Piccolo could predict the shenanigans he'd have to go through with those kids during the tail end of the Buu saga, so he also was like 'fuck those kids'
The movie is ok for what it was, it definitely has it's plot holes, specifically Broly reappearing when the last movie explicitly showed he exploded and Goku coming back all of a sudden without the Dragon being used, but it does try to tell a simple story and had some pretty good character interactions. And it does have some pretty cool moments, like the Son Family Kamehameha.
Yeah I'll give them that.
I actually do enjoy the films that let the minor characters shine and when you watch the movies sequentially, it is nice to get a break from the formula that previous movies stuck to.
yess. hella underrated movie, amazing animation especially.
Gave Gohan the spotlight for once
You do know they re used animation in this movie
@@dinogt8477 its the 90s it common practice
I find the plot of this movie to be very stupid but I like to come back to it from time to time, it just reminds me of an era, era of what? I don't know but It just makes me feel nostalgic.
I really wish we got more Videl scenes in the manga and in the later films (and that she was actually an active character in GT). I love her character, she’s one of my favorites from the later portion of the series, and good god was she under utilized.
Broly's appearance over the lake, bathed in fog and cool lighting is such a fucking awesome moment.
Also Videl is cute in this movie, so it's automatically good.
AyyyyyYOOO AJAY, a question, do you plan on analysing animation of other anime besides Digimon. Maybe Black Clover? I saw in a video of a channel named Forgotten Relics that Nakathsuru works or worked on it?
I like the dress she changes into.
I really like how Videl looked in this movie, the outfit just looks great. Seriously wished they used her more.
There's a simple logical explanation for why Broly's pod headed to Earth. In the original Broly film, Paragus states that his real desire is to take over Earth after his revenge on Vegeta is completed. So, one would assume that the space pods were already preprogrammed to go to Earth, not much different than how the Ginyu Force pods were programmed to go to Yadrat. It makes perfect sense.
I never thought of that. This movie really does have cross cutting with the other two Broli movies.
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Yeah, even though I'm not a huge fan of the three Broly films, they are connected. The comet destroyed "Fake Planet Vegeta," Broly escapes via a space pod that was programmed with the destination for Earth considering Paragus stated it was his desire to conquer the planet. Broly crash lands, wakes up and is defeated a second time. But his DNA is collected and sold to the highest bidder hence Bio Broly.
I used to think I was one of the only people that actually liked Movie 10 and 11 because they were different from the rest, so when I clicked the video I expected him to tear into this movie. But no. I'm so glad that someone doesn't have the exact same mindset as every other Dragon Ball Fan.
i mean if youve followed the movie reviews so far youd assume any break in formula will be praised. my guess is 12 will be loathed again, and 13 will be considered mediocre.
@@jonmahashintina I know. But It's just that I'm so used to people hating on these movies.
The “Caveman Broli” from the video title reminds me of a term I put together when watching the 1st Big Green Coola movie: “Caveman Goku”, who’s barely able to speak and reacts to a dire situation with this heartbreaking line: “Big Green Dead?”
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(Salza laughing in the distance)
Lol, I remember that!
Anything with more Videl is a good thing
She’s just a womb though
Toei certainly had different ideas from Toriyama on that.
I remember being in Italy for spring break 2001, when I saw pictures of this movie. Having just seen the Cell Arc broadcast in the fall of 2000, this was my first glimpse of teenage Gohan and Goten.
There should have been a line or a scene at the beginning of the dragonball hunt where Gohan says (or Videl says for him) that he'll be along later, but he has to do something first. It could even be a cutaway gag were the something he's doing is waiting in line to buy a Dragon Quest game or an idea equally as stupid. That way Gohan (like Broli) is promised to be in the movie early in and shows up when he's needed.
Is it too early to say Gohan is at a conference?
@@shmikex He's at the never-ending peace conference
I'm actually relieved to know I'm not the only one who loved this movie. I'm aware of it's many faults, but I can look past it and enjoy it for what it is.
Really nice to learn that not everyone hates this one, because it happens to be my favourite
As much as I agree with Gohan's role being very clunky here, and him needing a win of his own, man, he is just so ALPHA in this movie. Maybe it's just my bias for this version of Gohan, but I like that this put a TEEEEEEEEENSY bit more focus on him, and made him a bit of a badass
Well, it looks like Videl took your advice and sought Oolong's help in securing work in Dragon Ball movies!
I would love a Dragon Ball movie with Oolong as the lead without the hero guy stealing the spotlight in the end. That would be great.
I guess Broly really is Koyama's peak, the movies started to go downhill after the first Broly movie and Koyama hates Beerus lol.
Anyone with common sense hates ET Billus as well.
dragon ball super is a mistake
I like Beerus. He is one of the best "new" characters to come out of the post Z era.
Is a bit sad that he doesn't do that much because of how stupid he is in terms of power.
@@dinogt8477 agree it just action figures fighting each other to sell more toys.
That reference doesn't really make sense leonardo.
I knew I wasn't weird for liking this movie. It looked beautiful, Gohan, Videl, Goten, and Trunks get spotlight, Goku and his sons have a "nice" moment, and Broly, while being absolutely ooga booga, was ooga booga enough to keep my interest. I love this video for making me realize this.
"He wants to smash Kakarrotto"
OH MY!
Can you blame him?😏
DAMN IT GEORGE DECAY!
The only movie I remember watching growing up because it was so much fun. Wish there was more like these. Probably the most relatively organic movie of the bunch where one plot leads right into the action pretty well, except for a few hiccups at the end.
Thanks for putting Videl on the thumbnail of this episode of Dragon Ball Dissection, @MistareFusion! It should be obvious to anyone who has seen this film that Videl is the REAL MVP of this movie!
Also, I fully agree with you about having wanted Videl to have more of an active role in the fight against Broli! I hate the shoehorning of Goku to force him to save the day, as per the usual, as well!
Normally I don't mind the hot takes and most of the time I agree with them
This isn't one of those times. Breaking the formula is good, but that doesn't mean what's there is very effective in a vacuum- which is to say, looking at it as its own piece without starting from the basis that there is a formula to 'break' (while at the same time shoving an out-of-context antagonist)- which is why most people dislike this movie. The original bits aren't that fun _or_ funny, because the attempts at humor are... well... _basic_ to say the least.
Still, it's a good video, and I'm glad someone found enjoyment in this piece of media. If this is how the Bio-Broly review is going to go... I can actually agree more there, since it actually commits to stuff this one movie basically only teases or keeps as time filler.
I wouldn't say it's a hot take, as this movie has existed since 1994.
Thank you Mister, you made me think about how Broly had been used here, making me rethink that his "character" here made sense in the context of the movie's structure.
It is really a shame though, that this characterization here of Broly became his defacto character ever since, a raging beast for the sake of being a raging beast, no moment to show if he could be a good guy (like Hulk) or a genuine evildoer... and I think we can all see that even his 2018 incarnation main quirk, is being just that, a mindless beast, only that time, without even being build up as a super legendary monster... I can't wait to hear what you think about his 2018 rebranding, especially when compared to the og version... I, in the midtime, will tell you that to me, og Broly initially was more felt as a dangerous character, in the sense that he still acted on his own, and talked in his first outing; the 2018 Broly doesn't have that, he has a brief sequence of talking and exposition, but when it comes to the big dumb fight, he is just an object, a bland characterless wall... really a shame in my opinion, especially since he still gets narratively murdered at the end of the movie, exiled on Vampa to never be seen again!
I'm so glad the movies give the most entertaining duo, Kid Trunks and Goten, more screentime. They carry the charm of early Dragon Ball
That is the BIGGEST patron list I've seen for someone with 20k subscribers but I definitely believe you deserve every one of them. Always enjoy your videos! Just hate how they seem to go by so fast!
Utterly love how the movies involving Broly have such whimsical music for their intros. XD
Ah yes. My very first DB movie. Thanks Mistaire Fusion!
I FORGOT BROLY GOT PEE'D ON
Honestly THIS is why I love this broly next to the first one because it captures a next generation formula with the dragon team videl goten and trunks trio reminded me of early dragon ball adventures particularly kid goku and krillin and bulma during the pirate cave part of the red ribbon arc
They should’ve used more this team of Gohan, Goten, Videl and Trunks for more stories
Taking the piss out of Broly was the best idea in any of these movies. Throwing all the powerlevel nonsense out window, and bringing us back to the first arcs of dragon ball with giant monsters and expert martial artists getting smacked around by cheeky little kids.
8:21 I love it when the movies do cameos like this, like the Pilaf Gang playing cards in Bojack.
My new Year End tradition. Also, let's just forget Bio Broly, shall we?
No. Bio Broly was good. It featured Goten, Trunks and #18 in prominent roles.
@@PrinceVegita1 And MR SATAN BABY!
I've always loved this movie. I wish the main trio got more time together in later movies, they work really well. They could've easily explained Gohan's sudden appearance by having them mention that he was going to join them in their search after finishing studying or something.
That one fix would have done wonder for Gohan as to actually give him a reason to be here. Funnily enough in the next movie the trio swaps out Videl for #18. It even gives Kurrin something to do besides getting beat up and complaining about it. Like this movie did but done better albeit not as funny.
I wouldn't say Videl is swapped with #18, as Mr Satan is paired with her instead, which of course is comedy gold. Bio Broly is awesome too, I love the focus on the B cast.
It's like they had to nerf broli every time they have a sequel, because he's just too strong!
Oh erm... he's frozen so his power isn't as strong.
Oh he's a clone now! I bet if they did a 4th movie from this version of Broli they'd probably have him as an illusion of hologram, just to make sure he can be defeated XD
The biggest problem with Broly is that he's just too strong. That's his character, that's his personality, that's his backstory and that's the role he plays in all of the movies. There's nothing interesting you can do with him unless you completely rewrite his character, so he can only be used as a mechanical boss instead of a narrative one, which, just like Miltank in Crystal, you can only keep punching until it dies and find a way to avoid getting steam rolled by that powerhouse. If you put characters that are weaker than the first cast that fought him was and you still expect Broly to be defeated the traditional way, you MUST nerf him.
Let's be real here, any SSJ could have broken Videl in a single attack, yet here we Broly who has no regard for life just beating her up. Power creep has always been a problem with Z, but the Broly movies just ignore power scaling itself when it is convenient.
@@TwilightWolf032 It's not even that he's just too strong, it's that he's too strong and as deep as a puddle. It's not enough for him to be "the biggest number", his default state of being is "murder". We can't delve into stuff like who he is, what does he like, or what he wants, because we saw that last movie. He likes to kill and destroy stuff, and wants to kill and destroy all the stuff.He worked as a one-off movie villain, but bringing him back was a mistake.
@@TwilightWolf032 Yep, its probably why people like him.
Broly is kinda like the opposite of a main character; someone who keeps getting stronger, is unmatched by all non-main characters and only loses due to reasons for them to come back stronger.
Broly is like what if Goku was a bad guy and it's probably why people like him. Probably why he is the only one (besides cooler) to get a sequel !
Although there's a problem with writing someone with a sort of main character plot-armour... he can't be killed without a a macguffin or some reason thing that just happens to work; like punching him really hard. The writers literally wrote themselves into a corner :D
That being said, he isn't unsalvageable. They probably could have done a story like "Broli finds an interest in something that isn't violence, and the Dragon Team spends the movie trying to give him more while also figuring out how to get rid of him."
@@DJmouchi777 A sort of Android 16 kinda thing? I love it!
So I never realized this got released before Vegeta kills himself against Buu. So now my first question is where is Vegeta?
Also, why would Videl hang out with her not yet boyfriend's little brother and friend without Gohan? Was Gohan at a high school conference? And when he shows it, why did he spend time not being SSJ? This is Broly we're talking about. The guy who took a point blank SSJ Kamehameha to the face and didn't bat an eye.
I do agree they should have left it vague with the dragon balls. Seeing them dispersed made no sense. Especially since they weren't used in the traditional sense.
I also do find it interesting that this is really their first life or death battle, especially considering at this point they hadn't fought Buu yet in the manga.
When I re-watched all the 13 movies this year, this one was the one I found the most boring. Meanwhile movie 11 turned out to be better than I remembered.
I've never watched this movie in full. I just assumed most of it was fighting, which is why I was shocked when you said you love it. I should probably give this movie a fair shake and watch it all the way through.
Gotta say, I love the backgrounds of this film. Those lakes and greyish-green pines and mountains are BEAUTIFUL. Looks like it could be Alaska. I'd like to see more of that and fewer barren deserts.
I love this film too. Its so different and shines the focus on the new characters
I have always liked this movie. I never understood the hate this movie gets. I don't get a lot of the popular opinions of the Dragon Ball community. It's one reason I learned that our opinions should be treasured not marginalized. I mentioned this in your Twitter post but this outfit of Videl is the best one she ever has. Overall Tenshinhan has the best outfits except that stupid looking t-shirt in the late Cell arc. Say goodbye to any sort of relevance. Also I love how this movie looks I wish the series itself looked like this. It's weird the movies stick closer to the manga colors more than the anime based on.
As someone who is openly apathetic to this movie, to me this one could've been good without Broli around since bringing him back totally ruins his original death in Movie. Just as how much Movie 6 ruined the resolution of Movie 5.
@@crystalfire7x Let's be real here most movie villains sucks so that the least of my concern. Looking at you #13 and Bojack.
@@spartanq7781 well yes 13 and Bojack represent the worst of DBZ Movie Villains as nothing more than lifeless cardobard blubs with nothing to go for them. While the other ones, just clones of previously established villains, but without some of the elements that made him interesting before the fight happens where it is downhill. See Coola and Janemba, even though the latter is my favorite DBZ movie villain for his fun skillset and how well animated his fight is despite lacking the range and exhuberance Majin Boo displayed. As for Coola, yeah he is overhyped as Broli.
11:12 Man, that's a cool shot!
I forgot how good the handrawn was back then, I love the detail with Videl's palm on the transparent orb.
When Broly becomes the LSSJ on the 1st movie he wasn't a Goku obsessed bore, as a villain he was a mix of Freeza and Cell imo; he was snarky, sarcastic, had a dark sense of humor and loved every minute of his tyranny because his character was perfectly aligned with the way Saiyans were originally portrayed back in the 90s.
When Broly becomes free of the mental strain by transforming he becomes a completely different character, sure he says Goku will be his 1st victim but he immediately targets Gohan and Trunks afterward, everyone was an equal target, in the Japanese version Broly even admits that he respects Goku, Gohan, Trunks and Piccolo for trying to stop him when they knew they couldn't beat him.
To be honest I really don't like how the movies of Dragon Ball Z are struchedred either, there often repetitive, have too much fighting but without proper build up, and a lot of the villians just bled in together. and I'm not really that much of a fan of Broil, nor do I see why he is popular as everyone says. he's just anonther strong enemy who is overpowered and barely has any other diologe other than Kakerotto. (Aka Kakerot.) So thanks for reviewing this movie. I definitely think Movies 10 and 11 are very underrated.
In this movie sure, but his first movie did have talk more which added to how he was presented; what I would argue is why people love him so much.
I do somewhat get that this movie is supposed to be more of a lighthearted farce (at least until the climax), but I personally don’t think it works. The movie ultimately strikes me as boring and lacking. This ultimately just feels like it could be an extended filler episode of the TV series, which is always the weakest part of these movies.
I’m not outraged that Broly is played less seriously this time around, but it’s not enough to make this movie stand out either. Frankly, I somewhat prefer Movie 11 simply because that one fully embraces being weird schlock that’s truly unlike anything ever seen in the manga.
You know, I'm in the camp that this film is still mostly pretty boring (even if I also like some of the antics), but I do step up to defend Bio Broli. I can't wait to see your review of that one.
WEN BIO-BROLY?!?
Never
The Dragon Balls responding to a wish without Shenron is kind of an asspull if you ask me. If the Dragon Balls were capable of doing that, Frieza would have been immortal a long time ago.
It is...but also no Freeza wouldn't be immortal.
Beefy dragon is picky my man. Namekian Language or no dice!
@SonicmaniaVideos That...was literally his wish on Namek. Yes, if the Dragonballs just responded to wishes, he would be inmortal after Ginyu brought them to him. The dragons don't base wish granting on morals.
This is one of the most underrated movies
I love classic Videl she was so cool in Dragon Ball Z and Kai. ^_^
I've always really liked this movie. As I got older and gained access to the internet. I was genuinely surprised to find out just how much hate this movie got and currently still gets to this day. It's a fun lighthearted romp featuring three characters that don't get enough shine either in the manga and or anime adaptation. That work greatly with one another as a trio. Kuririn shows up to take Piccolo's trope for crying out loud. That alone should tell people to not take this one so seriously and to enjoy its lighthearted nature. It's nice and even kinda refreshing to finally see somebody defending this movie. Great video as always MistareFusion! Keep up your great work and rock on! Cheers!
Koyama Goku hating the hybrids more and more as the later movies increasingly show us is peak DB.
This was a very good DBD December, I’m looking forward to the new year (and its DBD content)!
6:30 I like the double entendre of Oolong + Toriyama's "pen." :)
So glad u mentioned Krillin dressed as Piccolo bc aside from Videl he was my fav thing abt this movie. As for why Gohan hallucinated him as red belt Piccolo despite him wearing a blue belt, ig he took one too many blows to the noggin
I don’t feel Gohan feels tacked on, you need someone strong to be able to contend w broly. For a goten and trunks story to work you’d need to swap out broly as the villain. Perhaps Gohan could’ve been a bit more integrated into the plot but it’s nice to have an adventure w just Videl and the kids. In total agreement Goku feels tacked on at the end, and it’d been better if he was more of an image instead of an actual wish from the Dragonballs. Love that triple Kamehameha image though, so iconic.
Gohan and Broly are counterparts. Makes sense
I’m continually pleased with these videos. I haven’t watched this movie in ages and I’m really interested to watch it again under this new way of looking at the film
I watched the movie recently (in preparation for this video lol), and thought the same about the Dragon Balls. It's not vague enough on what happened with them. If they left it more ambiguous, it could be a bit more mysterious
Technically, this movie is flawless: it's directed by a monster like Shigeyasu Yamauchi, and supervised by Tadayoshi Yamamuro at the absolute peak of his career. I also like the idea of a different main cast, the second half is better than the first...
Nonetheless, I believe this is the worst film of the Broly trilogy and overall, also very stupid:
1) Goten-Trunks-Videl doesn't work too much as a main cast, which probably explains why they had to include Gohan as well midway through. If there's one thing Bio-Broly does better is adding #18 and Mr. Satan alongside Goten and Trunks, in fact there's no Vegeta, no Piccolo, no Gohan... and Goku appears only when the movie is literally over.
2) Broly surviving Goku's punch and the explosion of New Vegeta is very unlikely and contrived, and to think that him and Paragus only had ONE space pod to escape, which was smashed by Broly himself... yet, he's shown landing on Earth on a space pod.
3) I'm one of the very few people who defend the reason for Broly hating Kakarotto in M8, since it may be related to actual psychological birth traumas. Goten's crying waking up Broly is a shameless reference to the first film, and it sounds extremely asinine as I don't think Broly is able to hear sounds from such a distance.
4) Krillin taking Piccolo's role to save Gohan is clearly self-mockery of Koyama's own formulas. It would've been nice if Koyama'd stopped it right there. Of course he had to ruin it by having Krillin being humiliated, typical of his stupid movie formulas.
5) One of my favorite aspects of the first film was seeing Goku, Gohan, Trunks, Piccolo and Vegeta getting humiliated by Broly for over 30 minutes. Broly could take on a point-blank range Kamehameha. With that said, while I'd understand why Goten and Trunks wouldn't suffer much damage at first, I just can't accept Videl taking Broly's damage SLIGHTLY. I can't believe Broly is weaker than Spopovich.
6) The Family Kamehameha is the umpteenth example of Koyama self-referencing himself. As much as I love Kazuya Hisada, it feels like rewatching the Kamehameha struggle from the Cell Games, only worse.
These few Z movies are prolly the best Goten and Trunks are gonna get tbh. The Goku Black Arc tried to develop Trunks but nothing came of it
Dude you deserve more subs. I really enjoy your channel
Really glad that you ended up loving this movie as much I did. I never understood why this and bio broly were among the most hated when they're easily the ones I rewatch the most. This has been a great dragon ball december and I look forward to future content in 2021. Happy New Year!
I really want to agree with your stance on this film, but I can’t. Nearly everything works except the presence of Broly, who acts as the fly in the ointment. I’m of the thinking that Broly as a character has been utter garbage until his reformulation in Super, so everything his old incarnation touches turns to crap.
The cast of this movie was the perfect excuse to scale back the villain like they did in the JSAT special. Strong enough to be troublesome but not world-ending. If they had done that, this film would stand beside Mystical Adventure as one of the best films of the franchise. But Koyama just couldn’t stop hitting that crack pipe.
Legendary SSJ > Super Broly / Second Coming > Bio-Broly
It doesn't matter the movie, Broly is a shit character.
funny you say that because broly is in his worst version during the DBS movie, as soon as he start fighting he is even worse than bio broly, his normal calm version in that movie was the best version.
Mistare gotta be purposely contrived to get those clicks. He's over glossing so many critisisms just to force a positive spin as he knows it isn't popular.
@@ssjduelistDD Could be, but he also must just be tired of watching the "same" movie over and over again, looking from that perspective, Second Coming could a good change of pace.
@ssjduelistDD Do you even read your own comments? How is this title controversial? How would it grab more clicks by stating their opinion...on a video without any kind of clickbait? How does it not fit that they like a movie that doesn't abide by the fórmula of other movies they have hated before?
It really seems like some DB fans are just like hard conservatives and can't even grasp the idea of someone disagreeing with them so they must be faking it. It's ridiculous. I fail to understand how you can watch DBD and be surprised by their reaction at this movie.
This was my favorite as a kid. Glad you loved it as well.
I’m very happy you still make dragonball content
god, I love this movie. This was the first Dragon Ball thing I owned on a DVD when I was a kid. Love the fact that every Dragon Ball media regained the sillyness of its early era during those years.
Happy New Year, Lance! Thanks for the excellent content!
i still have my copy i brought the broly pack lol
A-Ha! I see They’ve added cyborg 18 on the 3rd broly movie’s poster!👀 wow ...they have no love for videl🙄
Can't wait for you to get to Fusion Reborn
I'm a bit surprised people hate the second movie- This is a great movie and its focus on the characters again and I'm also just glad we got something far different. I love the fake out with Krillin too, I thought it was just some lazy Piccolo moment that was going to happen but NOPE! Krillin saves the day! Plus Gohan fight with Broly is fun to me and has a BRUTAL FEEL. I always had the idea that the movies were an alt timeline were certain things happened, and with this one I just always thought it was like the normal timeline. So before the tournament and before they find out Goku's coming back. Maybe Gohan meets Videl earlier, and how does Gohan getting his shit kicked in by Broly affect him? After this does he train to hell and back just in case? It's all so interesting to me.
This was interesting, different then usual, but that's normal around here, which is good :D
Happy end and beginning of the new year for everyone around here.
Drink everytime he says extravaganza
I'm really waiting for Lance to get to Fusion Reborn, I'd love to see him talk about Japan mocking their old ally Hitler "look at that asshole, he's a complete loser isn't he? We've never been anything like him we promise."
you talk about mistare fusion reaching fusion reborn and don't make a name pun? you have failed at internetting and dragon balling
@@orbracha25 He probably won't even use that name. He'll use the original non-dub name which is likely gonna be super hard to remember for the rest of the fanbase.
Japan always mocked Hitler post WW2 lol
@@Mari_Izu Yeah, but you know what I meant.
I wonder if we'll get a 1995 Fashion Extravaganza mocking his silly little uniform. Seriously, Fusion Reborn made fun of the uniform, and his symbol is replaced with a cross or "X" . According to "The Dao of Dragonball" this symbol means "fail", "no good", as well as "dead". It's also used for marking incorrect answers on children's tests.
This will be the first video I watch in 2021. And I'm happy about it!
Based on patterns, I'm gonna try predicting your opinions on the last three movies. (I haven't seen any of them so apologies if I get any facts wrong)
Bio-Broly: Bonus point for focusing on Satan and 18. Good resolution for the priest in this film. Appreciation for Goten and Trunks being more serious from having already met Broly. Uninteresting design for Bio-Broly and the other Bio-Warriors. Great ending as the fighting starts and ends with the same characters with no one else showing up at the last minute. Unnecessary last scene about Goku preparing to fight Broly.
Fusion Reborn: Great visuals and music. Fun moments with the heroes defending Earth from revived villains and fat Gogeta. Villain made interesting for his powers and design but also loses it a bit due to being a lesser copy of the current manga main villain. Good ending due to the fusion actually defeating the threat but weak for feeling unnecessary (this one is the biggest guess as I don't know your entire opinion on fusion yet other than finding Gogeta pointless in Broly 4).
Wrath of the Dragon: Fascinating story focusing on new characters. Trend breaking villain that works great as the type of threat it's meant to be. Riveting bonding between Trunks and Tapion. Ending ruined because of Goku taking the spotlight at the last second.
Goku destroys everything he touches in the post Cell saga.
@@MaxIronsThird Thus, he has finally achieved the title of "strongest in the universe".
I thought I was deranged for enjoying this movie, even if I haven’t seen it in over a decade. I loved the character interactions and the distinct atmosphere.
Gohan is just never allowed to do anything right why do the writers hate him? (thinking about upcoming boo arc things and crying "my boy, my beautiful boy")
Cause only the first two letters of his name is right. For the record, I agree with you and Gohan is my favourite character in DB.
I gotta disagree, I think city girl Videl was VERY in-character to ridicule the idea of mystical sacrifice at this point in time. I get the feeling that people surrounded by capsule corp tech all the time believe more in science. Even after learning flight, I don't buy that her skepticism would 100% disappear overnight. Some of the crazy things she saw later, like god's home base, are what opened her up. Her participation in the SSJ God ritual signals a sign of change in her character.
I have a hard time seeing the relation between her indirect participation on the SSG ritual and her character arc which was already over for years by the time BoG came out and its never alluded to in the movie. He never struggles with the idea of the ritual working or ever voice her thoughts on it. That change of heart would have already taken place when she met literal God and saw and even experienced Shenron'a abilities.
ive been subbed and watching ur vids for about a year and a half now, but I never knew your channel name. SO when this popped up in my feed I was like who the hell is this lol
The manga and the anime were that close? Amazing they didn't overlap
That opening music is my everything
Perfect musical piece to open the episode, lol
What is it called by the way?
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Happy new years! Thank you for everything!
If I had to rewrite this movie, I would have taken Broly away. Let Videl, Goten and Trunks have their adventures with an entirely original villain and without Gohan interfering. They end up saving the village from the dragon all by themselves. Keep the scenes with Goten trying to pray for the Dragonballs, but no one comes to their rescue when they need it. Goten and Trunks end up overcoming the dire situation by finally realizing they can actually die in the situation they're in and getting scared, but having Videl comfort them big sister style and encouraging them to fight against the odds.
Keep in line with the theme of the show, give the new characters the spotlight without taking it away for Goku, give Videl a purpose to be there by shifting into the mentor character when the boys need it the most and make Goten and Trunks into the underdogs fighting a Goliath. Gohan can show up in the end to teach them how to summon Shenlong and repair all the damages caused to the village, a serious and selfless wish to contrast with the silly and self-centered wishes Goten and Trunks wanted in order to showcase their growth throughout the movie.
Now, if I were to rewrite Broly, I would have made him into a lab rat for his father that turned him into an artificial SSJ by infusing the blood of a thousand Saiyans into his own son, trying to replicate the legend. That's why he's green, instead of golden - he's a transformation gone wrong - and why he's nothing but a muscle ball of destruction - his brain got mostly destroyed in the process, which is why he's so meek in base form and requires the tiara to be controlled by Paragus, otherwise he's a Vegetable. The cast doesn't win by beating him, but by using the Dragonballs to heal him.
What a way to end the year!
Mistare!! Happy 2021 you deserve it.
My favorite part of this movie is the dress Videl is wearing. I just really like good dresses.
I think the film is good, but there is a few issues that the film has.
1. Videl taken out of the game early on.
2. The majority of Broly's dialogue being "Kakarot".
3. Gohan and Kuririn are the only z fighters that show up.
4. The deus ex machina ending.
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