Fixing Speed Issues on Changers!
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- Опубліковано 7 жов 2024
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I did that trick with a Fisher changer manufactured by BSR. It was running about 37 rpm when I bought it! I got it down to about 33.6 and called it good.
The old Fisher sounds surprisingly good!
I bought two used record players (with changers!) today.
The Soundesign 426 ran fast (34.5 ish), and the KLH Nineteen ran slow (32.5 ish). I used your filing method on the 426 and it worked! (I used a fine metal file and went slow.) For the KLH, you won't believe this, but I seem to have gotten good results with ... a Sharpie. I just kept adding layers. Who knows how long it will last, but it was easy and reversible.
Better than the strobe, I think, is the RPM Wow app. Quick, free, and easier.
Thanks for the info and - just as important - demonstrating that I wasn't going to break anything if I removed the platter. That's always the hardest part for me when fixing things.
Has the sharpie worked long term?
Hi there, love the channel and just watched this video for the first time. Not sure if you already know but I have a tip on how to deal with the opposite problem, a slow running turntable with either a belt or a drive wheel that has no easy speed adjustment function. I have used this method on many occasions and restorations I have done and it works perfectly. You can use fast drying clear nail varnish and with the spindle running just touch the brush to the speed area you want to increase to apply a little. This dries almost immediately and is rock hard, haven’t found anything better than this so far. Hope you found that helpful, Paul
This was soooo helpful. I was going to abandon my old Fisher 220-x changer. Now there's hope. Thanks for the great info and super-clear video.
Exactly what I needed to see..👍. I’ve heard of this method too, but was anxious to try it. Thank you for sharing. I have a couple of late 60s BSR changers that run too fast, like you it bothers me to listen to records that are “off sounding”. You sir, have given me the courage to find a nail file and open these changers up!
Speed issues like this can also be caused by the hardening of the rubber idler wheel. Treating the wheel with a rubber rejuvenator solution can sometimes resolve the issue.
Awesome outcome! I am glad it was a success.
I love the very end with your passenger laughing and saying ''weird... the sound you made''🤣
me in my day just fixed his 1973 turntable with that method, thank you so much!!!! 😍😍🥰🥰😘😘😍😍
Good looking turntable with the contrasting platter. I did this on a BSR that was in a Zenith Wedge. Nerve racking but it worked!
If too much is removed, take a artist paintbrush with a small dab of acrylic paint on it and touch the motor shaft while it is spinning to build it back up. remember that there will be several records on a changer platter during regular operation which will slow the platter down a little.
(See my comment above ... shockingly, a Sharpie seemed to do the trick for me!)
Just wanted to say that I just tried this, and it worked great!!! Thank you @TKELCH!!!
Thank you so much for making this video! I was able to trouble shoot issues I was having with the tips you provided.
I actually think the speed variances are down to the diameter of the friction wheel. Most of them are worn at this point and will run faster than they should. As little as .01" will change the speed to run almost 2 rpm faster. If they ran slower from new, the diameter of the wheel was probably 'fresh' and designed with wear in mind. Shaving or replacing the rubber would be preferable to what is effectively re-lathing the motor input shaft and far less risky.
I must admit this was very interesting to watch
I have never seen inside of a BSResque turntable where the mechanism for the auto changer is hidden. I didn't see to the left of the freewheel if there was an adjustment screw for where the wheel has a final hit to the motor. On traditional BSR changers they have them in which can also change speed slightly if the contact isn't perfect or if there is an imperfection in the motor pole. From what I saw, the height could have been adjusted which may have eliminated some of the filing down if not all.
Splendid. You remember the AT LP120X dropping the tone arm too fast. I had the same problem. With your video, and Vinyl Talk with Tavis, I did it and it worked like a charm.
I did this to my BSR over a year ago and it plays at perfect speed.
I did this same modification back in the late 70s with at least 2 BSR changers. I had a Garrard that ran fast too. I was around 12 at the time and noticed these changers played faster than the same songs on the radio or a Magnavox console with a Micromatic. For the living room cheap BSR equipped Capehart I did it with my parents not home. I didn't have a stroboscope disc so I had to do this by ear. Comparing the filed down BSR to the Magnavox. It worked great. I think the reason these run fast is they are made in England to the 50hz line frequency. Maybe they floated the speed between 50hz and 60hz. Yeah I was a music fan and an electronics geek and took things apart when I was young.
Wow thank you so much for this!!! I was so incredibly nervous to try this on my own Panasonic record changer, which plays slightly fast just like yours. Now I have a lot more confidence! Thank you!
Glad I could help!
It should be noted that when a belt driven turntable w/ an asynchronous motor has a speed issue where it is going too fast, the solution (believe it or not) is to put the belt in a bag of talcum powder, shake it up really good, and then place it back on the platter and pulley.
The reason this works is because a fresh belt tends to be naturally grippy so coating the belt w/ talcum power gives the belt a bit of slippage which in turn corrects the speed issue.
As for this turntable w/ the drive wheel design, I assume part of the issue could be years of belt residue on the shaft and platter might affect the speed over time and a good cleaning of those areas might help.
Great 👍
This was perfect exactly what time i needed to know
I did a similar thing with a pulley on a Garrard RC88 changer. Unlike yours, the pulley is removable. So I was able to put it in the chuck of a drill and hold a file against it until enough metal was taken off. A very slow process in order to avoid removing too much.
Excellent video and very well detailed ❤
Thank you so much 😀
Love the blooper!
Not sure if you can do this with glenburns.. But on bsr’s and Garrards, , you can simply raise the idler wheel up higher to slow it down instead of having to file the capstan.
On some garrards you can because the spindle is cone shaped, but filing the spindle is the “only” way to correct the speed on a bsr.
Pretty cool!
Hello to Recor-O-logy great tutorial I have 5 at this time record changers 2 garrards 2 bsr's and one dual i did all of this to my players the bsr c-20 with ceramic caret i made the 33 rpm slower than it was supposed to be without a record on top of platter it was spot on with one or more it will slow down plus the drag from stylus on record i was able to fix it with clear nail polish just a little dab while it was spinning keeps it even with centrifical force it is better to leave them slightly faster that when record is on platter the wieght of the tone arm will bring it in ,i have done this on all my TT's ,i noticed every bsr spins faster the only one i did not do was the garrard at-60 all speeds were slightly fast but when playing records it stays on speed and if you use too much clear nail polish use scotch brite on shaft it will take off very little till you get the speed right , i remember when you got the glenburn i had suggested similar but i know you were hesitant to try and i don't blame you ,i was also hesitant so I tried it on my bsr first and then on the bsr 610 that is running fine this is good you showed this on you vid this will help many ocdish people like me who want to have the players work the way they should ,now when i play records they all play right and the pitch is not off at all thanks again JRo
Can you show us how to speed up a motor?
Video on that coming in the future!
if the platter turns too fast using a slightly larger idler wheel should work. i did that with one of my magnavox changers and the result amazed me
The idler regardless of size doesn’t change anything, the spindle and platter do, the idler is just a link between the two. think of a bicycle, the front and rear gears determine the speed regardless of how long or short the chain is.
You won't ever find ME filing down a motor shaft.
I might try a ceiling fan capacitor in series with the motor, though.
If that didn't work I would leave the thing running fast.
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Do you think you're gonna try to mess with the 78 speed at all?
Hello there, just to say that there's a way to solve this problem without sanding/filing the 4-step motor axle , (2 at least the 33 and 45 as the 16 is hardly used and the 78 speed, leave it alone as it has that spring coil as you know. Well in this case: No modification whatsoever on the internals. An experiment that I tried back in 1996 and it actually works!!!! The alternative: The use of a vintage AC 110 volt ceiling light wall dimmer switch, I say vintage because I'm refering to those early 80's ones that had the rotary knob that were used on the old conventional light bulbs before the 'led AC volt bulbs' were invented. Those modern dimmer switches with the rectangle aluminum vertically-centered 'touch sensitive' (like smartphone screens) that came around 1987 and beyond are not ideal. Anyway, find or use a spare AC power cord and splice the wirings of the other end of course. One of the wiring leads of the power chord connects to one of the dimmer switch's wire leads, the other wire of the dimmer connected to a single outlet like the ones that are used in washroom mirrors and the other lead of the AC power chord connected directly to the other washroom-type single outlet's terminal to THEN receive the power plug of the record player. RESULT: VOILÁ, you'll have the ability to change the pitch of the speed like a Technics-type turntable because there are certain records that are recorded faster then you'll find it useful to adjust the pitch on the dimmer rotary control!!! As you already filed the steps, in this case when the dimmer switch is regulated to 'nominal' current, the pitch of the speed can't go faster as you already filed the steps! Anyway I liked your video👍and I like that grey platter as I'm more used to the black ones.
A light dimmer would work with a 4 pole motor like the ones in higher end models but it won’t work with a shaded pole motor like the one in this particular bsr.
Do you think I could use a nail file sandpaper or a tool sharpener?
Am an avid follower of your demomstrations and i appreciate it. In fact i wonder how can i acquire such vintage turntable which we used to play in the 70's
There are several on eBay. I just got one.
My issue is mine sticks in 45 and defaults to 45. So every time I turn it on I have to fuck around with it to get it to drop into 33
The rubber idler isn’t freely moving up and down, it probably just needs lubricated.
Nice. I do have a question though. I have an old BSR recorder changer. How can I fix it from being too slow? Do I need to regreece it? Do I need to find a replacement motor? How would I go by it?
Probably needs to be disassembled, old grease removed, and relubed. Check vinylengine for a service manual.
How slow is it? Does it speed up after it has been running for a while? Grease problems normally improve with heat Playing time. You need to clean and regrease the "rubber wheel" bearing and platter bearing. If still wrong look to do the motor bearings.
I live in Decatur IL . There isn't a lot of places, where I can fine me a record changer. I'm trying to look for me one. Any suggestions 🤔
EBay, search for vintage turntables
How far BSR fell in quality.
Of course, the easy peasy way to adjust the speed is to get an Audio Technica LP 120(X) or an Audio Technica LP 140(X), which both have a pitch adjustment so you can lock the right speed into place.
But if you can’t do that, then this is good to know that you don’t have to put up with a record player with the wrong speed!!!
The point of this video is that he wants a changer. Those two decks are not record changers.
My turntable turns slow
Hi