Britain's nuclear attack submarines were truly one thing the Argentine's feared. The effect of "Conks" sinking the Belgrano forced the entire Argentine fleet back to port, to never venture out again for the rest of the war. That's a powerful impact!
Indeed, although the presence (unidentified at the time) of her sisters - Spartan and Splendid ensured that the entire enemy fleet were "tucked-up", alongside, for the duration ;)
@@danielw5850 I think Spartan was reported to have made efforts to go after the Argentine carrier, but I think it made it to the safety of shallow water/port before any intercept could be completed. EDIT: On checking, it looks like it was HMS Splendid instead.
I totally agree but then again what does one expect of the Royal Navy other then the best effort to achieve the objective..... that's the tradition of the entire British military
@@michaelmcclellan6944 Well, as Conqueror's Captain Chris Wreford-Brown commented on the action, "The Royal Navy spent thirteen years preparing me for such an occasion. It would have been regarded as extremely dreary if I had fouled it up."
The exclusion zone was really aimed at private vessels entering the area, britain said it would anything inside, it didnt say they wouldnt attack anything outside it! also the argie main land was a legitimate target considering it was war, dont know why they keep harping on about it was illegal, it was illegal to attack the islands in the first place!
The attack on the Belgrano removed the threat of a surface action by the Argentine navy against the Royal Navy. Their Air Force did so much damage later on in the war.The last thing we needed was a surface action against a heavy cruiser with 15 X 6inch guns and up to 8" of armour belt.Sinking it was our only option.We had other opportunities to torpedo more Argentine warships but in the normal restrained British way we declined.
Firstly the Belgrano was holding until the weather allowed the 25 Mayo to launch an attack on the British which had been scheduled for 1 May but the aircraft could not take off as there was no wind. It was not returning to Argentina and had it continued to Burdwood Bank 1:27 then Conquerer may have not been able to follow. Secondly the British feared it could be anchored in Port Stanley where it's guns would have been a serious problem for both the RN and the Army. Removing it was necessary.
@McLarenMercedes just because people didnt agree with what she did as prime minister, doesn't make her a fascist. i think you need to look up the meaning of the word
@TrentVenture por otra parte, desde el 1 de mayo, dia en que comienza el ataque ingles sobre posiciones en puerto argentino, hasta el 14 de junio, no hay 3 semanas, de donde sacaste eso? o acaso nos tiraban con chupetines el 1 de mayo?
Agreed, the RN has some top notch kit but the fleet could do with being beefed up a bit numbers-wise. We could do with at least ten Astutes. The newer Trafalgars will be good for at least another decade though. I also wish we were getting the original number of Type 45s but it's never going to happen.
After the British RAF raid on Stanley airfield with Vulcan bombers on 1 May 1982, Admiral Juan Lombardo ordered all Argentine naval units to seek out the British task force around the Falklands and launch a "massive attack" the following day. On 1 May 1982 the Argentineans launched their attack : The General Belgrano ( formerly the USS Phoenix CL-46 a survivor of Pearl Harbour )and her Task Group 79.3 were the Southern half of an Argentinean pincer attack on the British task force. The Northern group Task Group 79.1 included the aircraft carrier ARA Veinticinco de Mayo that had once served in the Royal Navy as HMS Venerable. Task Group 79.4 consisted of three A69 corvettes and following the air strike, were to launch Exocet MM38 missiles from over twenty miles away. The Argentine Navy had organised a combined air strike against the British with eight A-4Qs, from ARA Veinticinco de Mayo, and two Super Etendards from Río Grande Air Naval Base attacking simultaneously. The heavily ladened naval Skyhawks needed a minimum wind to help them take off from the carrier, and unexpectedly the wind did not blow and both Super Etendards were unable to receive fuel from the KC-130H Hercules tanker and aborted their mission. The British had assigned the nuclear-powered submarine HMS Splendid, to track down Veinticinco de Mayo and located her on the 23rd of April but were not authorised to engage. After failing to launch her aircraft the ARA Veinticinco de Mayo was forced to leave the area when one of her escort ships detected an approaching Sea Harrier on a reconnaissance mission. Meanwhile the Submarine ARA San Luis launched an unsuccessful attack on the Task Force and was counterattacked for 20 hours with depth charges and at least one torpedo and the Cruiser General Belgrano had been spotted by Canberra PR9s of No.39 Squadron operating clandestinely out of Chile and Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher agreed to a request from Admiral Terence Lewin, to alter the rules of engagement and allow an attack on General Belgrano outside the exclusion zone. HMS Conqueror sank her @ 15:57 Falkland Islands Time using three obsolete MK VIII torpedoes, resulting in no further attempts by the Argentinean surface fleet to engage the Royal Navy. On the 4th May after the failed naval attacks, HMS Sheffield's priority was hunting for the Argentinean submarines when she was struck by an air launched Exocet missile that had been detected by HMS Glasgow and HMS Invincible. It failed to explode but still put the ship out of action and she sank later. HMS Sheffield had taken over the position from HMS Coventry who was having trouble with her Radar . On 25 May the 15,000 tonne container ship, Atlantic Conveyor was hit by two Argentine air-launched AM39 Exocet missiles and eventually sank. The ship was carrying 600 cluster bombs, fuel, ammunition, helicopters and other vital equipment including a temporary metal runway and over 2,000 body bags, and left the British campaign seriously short of supplies and only one Chinook. On the same day, HMS Coventry was attacked by two Skyhawks and hit by three bombs, capsized and was abandoned. If the ARA Veinticinco de Mayo had successfully launched her Skyhawks and the Torpedo had detonated on impact Task Groups 79.3 and 4 would have caused havoc with multiple Exocet missiles backed up by the guns of "USS Phoenix", all whilst the British were dealing with battle damage and casualties. The moral of the story is that fleet was saved by a breath of fresh air and a faulty German torpedo ! upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/25/ARA.Belgrano.sunk.svg
Yes agreed, and remember it was Argentinian politicians who were responsible for the loss of lives. They gambled with their own people's lives by hoping Britain would not respond. They were wrong.
The Brooklyn class cruisers could fire over 1000 six inch shells in 15 minutes. They did so at the battle of Santa Cruz. Scarey, no wonder they sunk Bekgrano.
Oh, I agree, and even the Belgrano's captain has since admitted it was a legitimate act of war. Still a sad thing though, but war is war and the lads on the Conqueror did what they had to do to eliminate the threat to the fleet. Just hope a second war can be avoided. One thing's for sure, I don't think Argentina will underestimate Britain's will to defend the Falklands in future.
And most of the world would still be without electricity and dancing in grass skirts if it wasnt for the likes of the english, history in time will reflect that they along with others gave birth to industry and the modern life we enjoy today!
Genuinely sorry for the lives that were lost, but this incident demonstrates the power of the SSN...forget the aircraft carrier, the SSN is the true capital ship of the modern era. Let's hope a Falklands II never happens.
@clutchSlipper With all this austerity at home its easy to overlook Argentina's Navy,according to a contact in the Brazil Navy it no mostly consists of rusty old buckets.Type 45 is also looking good IIR the Viper system has now took out an Exocet at 9km was on-board Daring on its first visit to the Tyne very impressive.
@phuturexy modern Torpedo's work by exploding beneath the ship, lifting the ship up out of the water - the ship keel then breaks when it lands - after which it will fall apart under its own weight. Basically torpedo's either break the ship in two, or they fail to sink the ship.
Kids who knew how to load and fire 6inch shells into another ship.old or not it was a serious threat to our ships.British ships had plenty of kids on them.
The general Belgrano was the former light cruiser USS Phoenix, which was at Pearl Harbor on December 7, 1941. There's a photo of her steaming past the burning ships in the harbor that day.
According to very recently declassfied records, just a matter of weeks after the Falklands War, HMS Conqueror was involved in an audacious raid againt the USSR fleet. Just outside Soviet waters - or, some say, just inside - a Soviet ship was towing the latest thing in Soviet submarine-detection technology. Conqueror’s job was to steal it. She used electronically controlled pincers, provided by the Americans, to cut through the three-inch-thick steel cable connecting the array to the ship.
if I recall correctly, the argentina navy thought that submarine don't stay submerged for too long but they make a big mistake to the nuclear powered one on that time until tho loss of ara general belgrano when the churchill class conqueror nuclear sub make 3 torpedo attack resulting death of 323 casualty
A sad but a necessary end of the ex- USS Phoenix who survived the US Navy nightmare of Pearl Harbor attack in 12/7/1941 by Japan ....also served as the flagship of the Gen Douglas McArthur later on during WWll ....I think it was criminal of the Argentinian Navy to send such an OLD and obsolete ship into combat especially against the modern Royal Navy of Great Britain....but then again I oppose the entire effort of Argentina to conquer the Falkland Islands....it now extremely unlikely they will ever get those islands.... Gen Jaun Paron NEVER actually attacked the islands but did regularly denounced the British colony
@elswick1542 You makes I laugh.................after all it was war, what did people think would happen. Invade again and no Argie ship would be safe.......thats the way it would and should be. Never forget.........they come unseen.........fly every thing in, or risk a torpedo. In 82, they had to fly in low as they could.............or they would get a Seadart up thier jacksy.
In my home country we hang by his neck all who show in his ship a jolly roger. We ever have done the same with all pirates we found, from four centuries ago to nowadays.
@TrentVenture es cierto, perdimos, pero que parte de la guerra viste, estudiaste o te contaron?.....Lo que yo digo es en base a relatos concordantes entre soldados de ambos bandos, y es un hecho real y conocido a nivel mundial que la royal navy no envio a soldados britanicos solamente, sino que envio primero a sus mercenarios, los cuales no contaron como bajas.Tambien contaron con el apoyo de estados unidos,la otan y la onu,
@TrentVenture ademas los oficiales de mas alto rango no fueron capaces de comandar a nuestros hombres, nuestros generales tenian mas miedo que los soldados,muestra de ello es cuando se rinden, despues de 11 horas de combates en puerto darwin, ustedes ya estaban derrotados, habilmente su comandante le hace creer al nuestro que estaban en superioridad, y el nuestro rinde la posicion,Esto fue comentado por el comandante de la unidad inglesa.
It was not fighting a modern attack sub,it was looking for our surface ships. It was hiding from our subs by leaving the exclusion zone.Make no mistake it was coming back into the exclusion zone when it suited them....they were at war and their crew knew it.......we took it out just as they would have took a British ship out........that is war....thats what happens.......we got them before they got us.
argentina would still be a Spanish colony if it wasn't for Britain defeating the French and Spanish in the early 1800s leaving Spain unable to maintain rule, the newly formed independent argentina assumed it would own the Falklands but this was not the case and the only time that it did have ownership of the islands was briefly in 1982 but this was quickly put right
I think the Belgrano was also escorting two missile cruisers as well. That's a lot of exocet missiles. Just the ones the Mirage's carried were bad enough!
Watch Ryder no ... false ... the Argentineans had less than 10 exocets ... see even less ... the English and French governments of the time have done everything so that additional exocets do not reach the hands of the Argentine army ..and his anti ship missiles could, in the Argentine army at that time, be used by the super standard and not the mirage
Nooooo, the Belgrano was the only cruiser (light cruiser) they had. And the exocet missiles - just 5 in number - were air-launch ones... by Super Etendards, not Mirages. Don't think!
@@johnny_pilot Are you drunk? Those missile carrying ships were literal ship killers and you are trying to down-play that? Don't ever take up military strategy or basic wargaming kid.
They fulfilled their duty but still nothing to be proud of in certain because there was still a loss of life, soldiers who lost their lifes that were sent there by their insane leaders and hadn't any private profit from what was going on there...
Coincidence: Post 1982 and Argentine forces became respected UN force-contributors, instead of internal death squads (thanks for that, UK, err... conveniently forgotten!)
The job demanded some brilliant seamanship, coming up from below into the array’s blind spot and edging towards the cutting point only a few yards from the tow ship. She succeeded, and got away with her prize. Immediately after Conqueror reached her base on the Clyde, the array was put on to an aircraft and sent for analysis in the United States. It is said that the name Conqueror was whispered with reverence in the Pentagon afterwards.
And was there another Pirate ship time zone - 1635pm 10 may 1982 Alacrity enters the sound on a suicide mission tome zone - 1.25 AM picked up contact 5 miles North of Swan island Time zone 1.40 - target engaged the 3000 ton ARA Islas estados sank 21 killed Time zone -04.30 - Alacrity exits the sound torpedoed by ARA San LUIS Thank god the RN Submarine service is the best in the world - we lived to fight another day
all the couch know all types. No soldier would talk about their experiences, because theyre too tough and hard to speak about , especially in a forum like this
@naka20002002 Pirates, ...yes and we are very good at it. What are your views on the fact that Kirchner (a good Argentine name ..jawohl) has been told , in a signed document, by respected historians, law experts, politicians and Journalists that The Islanders must be allowed the decision of Sovereignty, and that she is criticised for her "constant harassment" of the Islanders
@rodyfuchs I will not get to discuss something that is ours and we have won, we are 480 km of the islands, England 12.489km is very simple to deduce who they belong to.
@LIVERPOOLSCOTTISH If the English if they put people on the islands is obviously going to want to remain British. The English think that if they set foot on either side of this place and they should. Drawing a little history can see plenty of examples to show what I'm saying That is the mindset of pirates. If I remember it was England that wanted to invade Buenos Aires in the years 1806 to 1807. So pirates have always been and will
@TrentVenture fijate, con armas viejas, con poco a casi nada de adiestramiento, en la mayoria de los casos, nuestros soldados estaban solos,sin comida, ni municiones en cantidad suficiente,les hicieron dudar de la victoria, a ustedes, los dueños del mundo.Que hubiera pasado si las condiciones hubiesen sido otras?.Es mas, si una de las bombas hubiera alcanzado al invisible?.Ustedes estarian llorando ahora.
@naka20002002 Invaded in 1833? Dude your 241 years off. They were discovered in 1592 by English explorer John Davis after a storm battered his ship off the coast of what is now Southern Argentina. They were named "Hawkins Maidenland" in 1594 when English commander Richard Hawkins visited. So we were naming the islands 239 years before you claim we "invaded". In 1833 we came back and asked for the "United Provinces of the River Plate" flag to be replaced with the British flag.
@LIVERPOOLSCOTTISH It is useless to continue, they will always believe the islands belong to them to England. The UN supports the decision of the islanders, okay, but who put on these islands? The islands were invaded in 1833 by the British, like many others, I'm not stupid, which is stupid to try to argue with people coming from a country with ideology of colonialism
@Harkenish You can't even spell to Rule BritaNNia. Don't believe me? Then why don't you google it and check it up elsewhere? It's Britannia, with a capital "B" I might add.
But using a MK 8 warhead torpedo to do the job was a bit of overkill......the Belgrano was a piece of shit, left over from WW2.....it was built in 1938! Shouldnt have been decomissioned decades before the Falklands.
There is nothing 'glorious' about war -just sadness. 329 men died instantly when the torpedoes hit, and yes, they would have done it to our boys, too. 329 mothers without a son they loved -is that something to celebrate?
Britain's nuclear attack submarines were truly one thing the Argentine's feared. The effect of "Conks" sinking the Belgrano forced the entire Argentine fleet back to port, to never venture out again for the rest of the war. That's a powerful impact!
Indeed, although the presence (unidentified at the time) of her sisters - Spartan and Splendid ensured that the entire enemy fleet were "tucked-up", alongside, for the duration ;)
@@danielw5850 I think Spartan was reported to have made efforts to go after the Argentine carrier, but I think it made it to the safety of shallow water/port before any intercept could be completed. EDIT: On checking, it looks like it was HMS Splendid instead.
I totally agree but then again what does one expect of the Royal Navy other then the best effort to achieve the objective..... that's the tradition of the entire British military
@@michaelmcclellan6944 Well, as Conqueror's Captain Chris Wreford-Brown commented on the action, "The Royal Navy spent thirteen years preparing me for such an occasion. It would have been regarded as extremely dreary if I had fouled it up."
Them boys on HMS Conqueror done us proud & won us sea superiority. What a proud name hey?
The exclusion zone was really aimed at private vessels entering the area, britain said it would anything inside, it didnt say they wouldnt attack anything outside it! also the argie main land was a legitimate target considering it was war, dont know why they keep harping on about it was illegal, it was illegal to attack the islands in the first place!
ilegal es tomar un territorio que no les pertenece.
The attack on the Belgrano removed the
threat of a surface action by the Argentine navy against the Royal Navy.
Their Air Force did so much damage later on in the war.The last thing we needed was a surface action against a heavy cruiser with 15 X 6inch guns and up to 8" of armour belt.Sinking it was our only option.We had other opportunities to torpedo more Argentine warships but in the normal restrained British way we declined.
Much to the frustration of the commanders on the sea in their aluminium targets packed with combustibles and brave salty men
@elgriegodemalvinas The music is called The Lonesome Boatman by The Fureys
Firstly the Belgrano was holding until the weather allowed the 25 Mayo to launch an attack on the British which had been scheduled for 1 May but the aircraft could not take off as there was no wind. It was not returning to Argentina and had it continued to Burdwood Bank 1:27 then Conquerer may have not been able to follow.
Secondly the British feared it could be anchored in Port Stanley where it's guns would have been a serious problem for both the RN and the Army.
Removing it was necessary.
My Uncle worked on The Conqueror when she was being built at Lairds. Me and my Mum were at the launch, I was Ten years old.
God Bless you on your fine work NAIAD49.All your videos gave me the chills.
@McLarenMercedes just because people didnt agree with what she did as prime minister, doesn't make her a fascist. i think you need to look up the meaning of the word
I've always liked the name "Conqueror" for a naval vessel
@TrentVenture por otra parte, desde el 1 de mayo, dia en que comienza el ataque ingles sobre posiciones en puerto argentino, hasta el 14 de junio, no hay 3 semanas, de donde sacaste eso? o acaso nos tiraban con chupetines el 1 de mayo?
Never underestimate the Royal Navy submarines, like HMS Conqueror.
Agreed, the RN has some top notch kit but the fleet could do with being beefed up a bit numbers-wise. We could do with at least ten Astutes. The newer Trafalgars will be good for at least another decade though. I also wish we were getting the original number of Type 45s but it's never going to happen.
After the British RAF raid on Stanley airfield with Vulcan bombers on 1 May 1982, Admiral Juan Lombardo ordered all Argentine naval units to seek out the British task force around the Falklands and launch a "massive attack" the following day.
On 1 May 1982 the Argentineans launched their attack :
The General Belgrano ( formerly the USS Phoenix CL-46 a survivor of Pearl Harbour )and her Task Group 79.3 were the Southern half of an Argentinean pincer attack on the British task force. The Northern group Task Group 79.1 included the aircraft carrier ARA Veinticinco de Mayo that had once served in the Royal Navy as HMS Venerable. Task Group 79.4 consisted of three A69 corvettes and following the air strike, were to launch Exocet MM38 missiles from over twenty miles away. The Argentine Navy had organised a combined air strike against the British with eight A-4Qs, from ARA Veinticinco de Mayo, and two Super Etendards from Río Grande Air Naval Base attacking simultaneously. The heavily ladened naval Skyhawks needed a minimum wind to help them take off from the carrier, and unexpectedly the wind did not blow and both Super Etendards were unable to receive fuel from the KC-130H Hercules tanker and aborted their mission. The British had assigned the nuclear-powered submarine HMS Splendid, to track down Veinticinco de Mayo and located her on the 23rd of April but were not authorised to engage. After failing to launch her aircraft the ARA Veinticinco de Mayo was forced to leave the area when one of her escort ships detected an approaching Sea Harrier on a reconnaissance mission.
Meanwhile the Submarine ARA San Luis launched an unsuccessful attack on the Task Force and was counterattacked for 20 hours with depth charges and at least one torpedo and the Cruiser General Belgrano had been spotted by Canberra PR9s of No.39 Squadron operating clandestinely out of Chile and
Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher agreed to a request from Admiral Terence Lewin, to alter the rules of engagement and allow an attack on General Belgrano outside the exclusion zone. HMS Conqueror sank her @ 15:57 Falkland Islands Time using three obsolete MK VIII torpedoes, resulting in no further attempts by the Argentinean surface fleet to engage the Royal Navy.
On the 4th May after the failed naval attacks, HMS Sheffield's priority was hunting for the Argentinean submarines when she was struck by an air launched Exocet missile that had been detected by HMS Glasgow and HMS Invincible. It failed to explode but still put the ship out of action and she sank later. HMS Sheffield had taken over the position from HMS Coventry who was having trouble with her Radar .
On 25 May the 15,000 tonne container ship, Atlantic Conveyor was hit by two Argentine air-launched AM39 Exocet missiles and eventually sank. The ship was carrying 600 cluster bombs, fuel, ammunition, helicopters and other vital equipment including a temporary metal runway and over 2,000 body bags, and left the British campaign seriously short of supplies and only one Chinook. On the same day, HMS Coventry was attacked by two Skyhawks and hit by three bombs, capsized and was abandoned.
If the ARA Veinticinco de Mayo had successfully launched her Skyhawks and the Torpedo had detonated on impact Task Groups 79.3 and 4 would have caused havoc with multiple Exocet missiles backed up by the guns of "USS Phoenix", all whilst the British were dealing with battle damage and casualties.
The moral of the story is that fleet was saved by a breath of fresh air and a faulty German torpedo !
upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/25/ARA.Belgrano.sunk.svg
All is game in war. Remember the Argentines sank the HMS Sheffield with lives lost onboard too.
Picture at 3.12 the jolly roger "you are just pirates"well yo ho ho my old Argie,s and shiver me timbers.
@clutchSlipper Think the US sub was the New Mexico,Astute performed magnificently.A tribute to the builders and crew!
Yes agreed, and remember it was Argentinian politicians who were responsible for the loss of lives. They gambled with their own people's lives by hoping Britain would not respond. They were wrong.
Alcarity was in the thick of it,Bombs,Exocet and Torpedo attacks.
You lads were very lucky to come out of it .
Good Video. 5 Stars. Best regards from Germany!
This one great action bottled up the rest of the Argentine fleet, yes a loss of life - but that happens in war.
Mk8 torpedo very good weapon.
The Brooklyn class cruisers could fire over 1000 six inch shells in 15 minutes. They did so at the battle of Santa Cruz. Scarey, no wonder they sunk Bekgrano.
Oh, I agree, and even the Belgrano's captain has since admitted it was a legitimate act of war. Still a sad thing though, but war is war and the lads on the Conqueror did what they had to do to eliminate the threat to the fleet. Just hope a second war can be avoided. One thing's for sure, I don't think Argentina will underestimate Britain's will to defend the Falklands in future.
And most of the world would still be without electricity and dancing in grass skirts if it wasnt for the likes of the english, history in time will reflect that they along with others gave birth to industry and the modern life we enjoy today!
Those that live by the sword die by the sword. That's how it goes, you Argentines!
History proove it, it kick ass
Genuinely sorry for the lives that were lost, but this incident demonstrates the power of the SSN...forget the aircraft carrier, the SSN is the true capital ship of the modern era. Let's hope a Falklands II never happens.
@clutchSlipper With all this austerity at home its easy to overlook Argentina's Navy,according to a contact in the Brazil Navy it no mostly consists of rusty old buckets.Type 45 is also looking good IIR the Viper system has now took out an Exocet at 9km was on-board Daring on its first visit to the Tyne very impressive.
@phuturexy modern Torpedo's work by exploding beneath the ship, lifting the ship up out of the water - the ship keel then breaks when it lands - after which it will fall apart under its own weight.
Basically torpedo's either break the ship in two, or they fail to sink the ship.
Kids who knew how to load and fire 6inch shells into another ship.old or not it was a serious threat to our ships.British ships had plenty of kids on them.
The general Belgrano was the former light cruiser USS Phoenix, which was at Pearl Harbor on December 7, 1941. There's a photo of her steaming past the burning ships in the harbor that day.
According to very recently declassfied records, just a matter of weeks after the Falklands War, HMS Conqueror was involved in an audacious raid againt the USSR fleet. Just outside Soviet waters - or, some say, just inside - a Soviet ship was towing the latest thing in Soviet submarine-detection technology. Conqueror’s job was to steal it. She used electronically controlled pincers, provided by the Americans, to cut through the three-inch-thick steel cable connecting the array to the ship.
if I recall correctly, the argentina navy thought that submarine don't stay submerged for too long but they make a big mistake to the nuclear powered one on that time until tho loss of ara general belgrano when the churchill class conqueror nuclear sub make 3 torpedo attack resulting death of 323 casualty
A sad but a necessary end of the ex- USS Phoenix who survived the US Navy nightmare of Pearl Harbor attack in 12/7/1941 by Japan ....also served as the flagship of the Gen Douglas McArthur later on during WWll ....I think it was criminal of the Argentinian Navy to send such an OLD and obsolete ship into combat especially against the modern Royal Navy of Great Britain....but then again I oppose the entire effort of Argentina to conquer the Falkland Islands....it now extremely unlikely they will ever get those islands.... Gen Jaun Paron NEVER actually attacked the islands but did regularly denounced the British colony
Thee haughty tyrants ne'er shall tame:
All their attempts to bend thee down,
Will but arouse thy generous flame;
But work their woe, and thy renown.
torpedo blew the whole bow off , sheesh
GOTCHA!!
@elswick1542 You makes I laugh.................after all it was war, what did people think would happen.
Invade again and no Argie ship would be safe.......thats the way it would and should be.
Never forget.........they come unseen.........fly every thing in, or risk a torpedo.
In 82, they had to fly in low as they could.............or they would get a Seadart up thier jacksy.
In my home country we hang by his neck all who show in his ship a jolly roger. We ever have done the same with all pirates we found, from four centuries ago to nowadays.
@TrentVenture es cierto, perdimos, pero que parte de la guerra viste, estudiaste o te contaron?.....Lo que yo digo es en base a relatos concordantes entre soldados de ambos bandos, y es un hecho real y conocido a nivel mundial que la royal navy no envio a soldados britanicos solamente, sino que envio primero a sus mercenarios, los cuales no contaron como bajas.Tambien contaron con el apoyo de estados unidos,la otan y la onu,
@TrentVenture ademas los oficiales de mas alto rango no fueron capaces de comandar a nuestros hombres, nuestros generales tenian mas miedo que los soldados,muestra de ello es cuando se rinden, despues de 11 horas de combates en puerto darwin, ustedes ya estaban derrotados, habilmente su comandante le hace creer al nuestro que estaban en superioridad, y el nuestro rinde la posicion,Esto fue comentado por el comandante de la unidad inglesa.
It was not fighting a modern attack sub,it was looking for our surface ships.
It was hiding from our subs by leaving the exclusion zone.Make no mistake it was coming back into the exclusion zone when it suited them....they were at war and their crew knew it.......we took it out just as they would have took a British ship out........that is war....thats what happens.......we got them before they got us.
The exclusion Zone has no effect on warships of the combatant nations it applies purely to neutral vessels.
argentina would still be a Spanish colony if it wasn't for Britain defeating the French and Spanish in the early 1800s leaving Spain unable to maintain rule, the newly formed independent argentina assumed it would own the Falklands but this was not the case and the only time that it did have ownership of the islands was briefly in 1982 but this was quickly put right
I think the Belgrano was also escorting two missile cruisers as well. That's a lot of exocet missiles.
Just the ones the Mirage's carried were bad enough!
Watch Ryder
no ... false ... the Argentineans had less than 10 exocets ... see even less ... the English and French governments of the time have done everything so that additional exocets do not reach the hands of the Argentine army ..and his anti ship missiles could, in the Argentine army at that time, be used by the super standard and not the mirage
Nooooo, the Belgrano was the only cruiser (light cruiser) they had. And the exocet missiles - just 5 in number - were air-launch ones... by Super Etendards, not Mirages. Don't think!
@@johnny_pilot Are you drunk? Those missile carrying ships were literal ship killers and you are trying to down-play that?
Don't ever take up military strategy or basic wargaming kid.
They fulfilled their duty but still nothing to be proud of in certain because there was still a loss of life, soldiers who lost their lifes that were sent there by their insane leaders and hadn't any private profit from what was going on there...
war is about death,not fairness,Belgrano had no purpose fighting a modern attack sub
Coincidence: Post 1982 and Argentine forces became respected UN force-contributors, instead of internal death squads (thanks for that, UK, err... conveniently forgotten!)
Why the stupid background music??? Ex crew member, Conqueror....
You sunk the General Belgrano ship in a banned zone...
The job demanded some brilliant seamanship, coming up from below into the array’s blind spot and edging towards the cutting point only a few yards from the tow ship. She succeeded, and got away with her prize. Immediately after Conqueror reached her base on the Clyde, the array was put on to an aircraft and sent for analysis in the United States. It is said that the name Conqueror was whispered with reverence in the Pentagon afterwards.
@NAIAD49 Watch out Daggers there is a Typhoon a brewing!
Poke a Lion with a stick expect to get bitten.Poke the Royal Navy get a MK8 burner cycle Torpedo with a RDX/TNT warhead.
And was there another Pirate ship
time zone - 1635pm 10 may 1982 Alacrity enters the sound on a suicide mission
tome zone - 1.25 AM picked up contact 5 miles North of Swan island
Time zone 1.40 - target engaged the 3000 ton ARA Islas estados sank 21 killed
Time zone -04.30 - Alacrity exits the sound torpedoed by ARA San LUIS
Thank god the RN Submarine service is the best in the world - we lived to fight another day
all the couch know all types. No soldier would talk about their experiences, because theyre too tough and hard to speak about , especially in a forum like this
@naka20002002 Pirates, ...yes and we are very good at it.
What are your views on the fact that Kirchner (a good Argentine name ..jawohl) has been told , in a signed document, by respected historians, law experts, politicians and Journalists that The Islanders must be allowed the decision of Sovereignty, and that she is criticised for her "constant harassment" of the Islanders
@TrentVenture ustedes tienen la verdad que les conviene. que es muy distinta de la que realmente es. Devuelvan lo que no es de ustedes.
@rodyfuchs I will not get to discuss something that is ours and we have won, we are 480 km of the islands, England 12.489km is very simple to deduce who they belong to.
@LIVERPOOLSCOTTISH
If the English if they put people on the islands is obviously going to want to remain British.
The English think that if they set foot on either side of this place and they should.
Drawing a little history can see plenty of examples to show what I'm saying
That is the mindset of pirates. If I remember it was England that wanted to invade Buenos Aires in the years 1806 to 1807.
So pirates have always been and will
Gotcha!
@Harkenish is preferable to be a beggar and not pirate
@TrentVenture fijate, con armas viejas, con poco a casi nada de adiestramiento, en la mayoria de los casos, nuestros soldados estaban solos,sin comida, ni municiones en cantidad suficiente,les hicieron dudar de la victoria, a ustedes, los dueños del mundo.Que hubiera pasado si las condiciones hubiesen sido otras?.Es mas, si una de las bombas hubiera alcanzado al invisible?.Ustedes estarian llorando ahora.
@naka20002002 Invaded in 1833? Dude your 241 years off. They were discovered in 1592 by English explorer John Davis after a storm battered his ship off the coast of what is now Southern Argentina. They were named "Hawkins Maidenland" in 1594 when English commander Richard Hawkins visited. So we were naming the islands 239 years before you claim we "invaded". In 1833 we came back and asked for the "United Provinces of the River Plate" flag to be replaced with the British flag.
323 peoples go to darkness ,you must be respet
Up periscope.Down fascist junta!
@03Terrestre You are so funnny!
Compro 900.000.000 submarino dessa classe para a marinha da Ucrânia
One can wonder if they had the jolly Roger flag Before hostilities commenced or if they made on the sub afterwards?
***** Probably, I have a friend that served on HMS Gotland during the Ronald Reagan affair and he said it was intense.
there's a reason for it, hope this helps:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Use_of_the_Jolly_Roger_by_submarines
reap what you sow.
May 4 bye bye HMS Sheffield
Up periscope.
poke a lion with a stick...........expect to get bitten
@LIVERPOOLSCOTTISH
It is useless to continue, they will always believe the islands belong to them to England.
The UN supports the decision of the islanders, okay, but who put on these islands?
The islands were invaded in 1833 by the British, like many others,
I'm not stupid, which is stupid to try to argue with people coming from a country with ideology of colonialism
@Harkenish
You can't even spell to Rule BritaNNia.
Don't believe me? Then why don't you google it and check it up elsewhere?
It's Britannia, with a capital "B" I might add.
@03Terrestre lol, As i said, bring ya white flag you'l need it.
But using a MK 8 warhead torpedo to do the job was a bit of overkill......the Belgrano was a piece of shit, left over from WW2.....it was built in 1938! Shouldnt have been decomissioned decades before the Falklands.
@rodyfuchs You are right you can not discuss.
Get your facts correct.
THEY are NOT yours.
You lost the war.
But thats OK.I accept your Surrender LOL
That was a war crime, a sad and cowardly episode of war, outside the zone of exclusion
@rodyfuchs, Argentina is a pityful 3rd world nation, the UK is a 1st world global power!
There is nothing 'glorious' about war -just sadness. 329 men died instantly when the torpedoes hit, and yes, they would have done it to our boys, too. 329 mothers without a son they loved -is that something to celebrate?
lecturer09 You are right but belter their mother cries than yours.
They did not die instantly.
Yes it is something to celebrate the fact that we won and stood on principle
infinitecanadian did the Argentine dictor kill them or Thatcher?
GOTCHA!