I think Steve is really taking his anger out on Shanny for Dubas and not thinking accurately of Shanny's job...LOL. I think everyone, including Steve, is overstating what Shanny does.... he is the liaison and red team for Leafs who links the MLSE board with the team management and GM. MLSE thinks money and success and team management thinks Stanley Cup... Shanny links it plus promotes the team in the Socio-Economic world
So if shanny is the one that makes the final decision than why are you so mad that dubas left Steve? You must think that dubas did a good job obviously, but if shanny decides everything then Kyle should not have any credit. We kept the right guy based on your assessment.
If you want to see how incompetent Trevliving is, just look at the Sam Bennett trade...he got Heineman, who he traded to Montreal with a 1st rd pick for Tofoli. Tofoli was then traded for an 80th rd. pick and Sharangovich...when it all washes out, Calgary ultimately got squat for the best 2nd line center in the NHL.
Dubas NEVER built a cup contender. If the Leafs win next season it is 100% Treliving. If Calgary wins it is Craig's and the only credit Treliving will get is his mentorship of Craig.
Shanny saved his job. Kyle had nothing to lose because he knew the contracts he signed for the core 4 are going to sink this team. Leafs should have kept Lou around for another couple of years.
i don think we need the core 4 or 5 for %60 of the teams budget, it was a huge miscalculation to predict the salary cap going up and i didnt see any other team over pay this many stars at once
Leafs top player is NOT worth 12 million. Not one goalie is worth 5 million. Way too many guys looking for pay raises. Lots of work to be done and if the right decisions are made, this team could still be dominant.
Dubas screwed up the RFA contracts.He did not have the experience needed. Over paid everyone on short term deals with no trade clauses? This has handcuffed the Leafs.Future.
Dubas philosophy was to get players that are fast and skilled. Only thing is fast players can be slowed down when going gets tough. So called core 4 are skilled and fast but, you need to surround them with solid defensemen and grit bottom six which Dubas did not accomplish in his time. Sheldon is a good coach for the regular season, however, he was out coached in each playoff rounds. Time to look at options for a coaching job. Need to get a healthy goalie who can stop the puck on a consistent basis. Samsonov is good but he would need a relief goalie who is competent. Joseph Woll needs 1or 2 more years to gain experience. Joseph did well in a short time he played, but you don't want him to be burnt out and loose his confidence like the past young goalies of Toronto.
If a team is owned by a group the use a president/GM if its owned by an individual its a GM only. It is changing because teams are owned by a group of people more than just one person now.
Buying into the narrative created by a guy who said he wouldn't comment (like he wouldn't go to another team) and instead floated out unchecked fairytales via his friends in the media like Friedman is beyond gullible. Dubas's Tiny Talent Time outro was embarassing. Particularly the part where he postured as being holier-than-thou while leveraging his family as a shield. And we forget, he won nothing in the Soo, nothing here despite inheriting three great players and a solid organization. Any objective analysis of Kyle Dubas's career arrives at an underwhelming conclusion. If it wasn't for the rise of the new religion of analytics there's no way he gets this position. Here's to the new boss, same as the old boss.
I wish I’m wrong but I can’t help but feel Treliving will have even less of a say than Dubas and Shanny will just run it back yet again and hope for the best. It’s will over skill these days and The Buds to a man aren’t willing to engage and add that physical element to their postseason play.
And Shanny, of all people, should know that will wins over skill all the time. That's the reason the Red Wings traded HOFer Paul Coffey to get him. So why is he so afraid to follow that same mindset for the Leafs? Does he want to continue to have an entertaining regular-season team or does he want to have a team that can be a legit cup contender?
Excited yes if Brad can get Tavares to agree to be traded. That would be exciting, of course, then the Leafs need a team willing to take the worst contract to move in hockey.
Yah I don’t understand while the leafs are a good regular season team, they aren’t winning the division. They aren’t winning president trophies. Those things produce new opponents in the playoffs (usually) and can be a lot better for them than this 2nd/3rd seed in the atlantic
Dubas did not assemble the core. He unfortunately overpaid his cap on them, and forced them to recruit on the cheap for the supporting cast. He and Pridham bet on the cap going up, but got burned by the pandemic and the flat cap. He did not win anything in 5 years as GM, and never won anything as GM of the Greyhounds. Let’s give Treliving a shot.
Unfortunately this team will never win a cup with so many in front office. The GM can never do his job because higher ups will continue to Veto the moves that the GM wants to make.
I feel like Dubas wanted Shannys job as President and MLSE said no way. So they got a guy who is "controllable" and just does what MLSE and Shanny want without confrontation or question. I'm not familiar with Brad but he seems like a nice man, but someone who's easily "swayed" when making decisions.
@@johnsummerhill8323 exactly my point. The president of a country barely makes decisions... They're just known as the spokesperson or puppet for the people who actually make them.
Omg…if Kyle won Stanley Cups prior in his tenure, then he deserves credit for that past success. Unfortunately, he has no such success and deserves no credit. I agree with Adam…you need to stop talking about Kyle. He had his time. Lots of it. Move on. Please.
Dubas' ship sailed really great but never reached its destination. Steve should move on or stop calling him a Leafs' fan. Dubas sunk the ship all the time when he was here. Whose mistake is that? Shanahan, Dubas, and Keef should have been fired after losing to Montreal.
Steve is great on his game stuff, but let's get off the Shanny hate train, please. Seems to me that Dubas & Pittsburgh were already in bed. Dubas is a double dealer. Think MLSE should ask NHL to have a peek. Dubas is not a standup guy. Believe in Shanahan much more. It was Dubas who said they could & they would &then went out & hamstrung the organization with players that couldn't & wouldn't.
Every NHL Franchise runs operations differently ...not the same for all. Not every president and or GM has the same responsibilities in the league. There are unique situations and not every owner has the same view so there's a personal touch to things. In Toronto its very obvious ownership interferes and decisions are based on monatary gain instead of desisions on how this leaf team can win. What sells? Thats all its about. Leafs are the the most wealthiest franchise in league why would they change when they manipule the fan base. People need to wake up and start paying attention . Stop spending money on this team then ownership will be forced to change. NO CUP 1967. No playoff run. Hmm how long. Most wealthiest. FANS DUMB ...only bc they tolerate this. NO OTHER CITY WOULD!!!!!!
I think Steve is really taking his anger out on Shanny for Dubas and not thinking accurately of Shanny's job...LOL. I think everyone, including Steve, is overstating what Shanny does.... he is the liaison and red team for Leafs who links the MLSE board with the team management and GM. MLSE thinks money and success and team management thinks Stanley Cup... Shanny links it plus promotes the team in the Socio-Economic world
@@RG-lr4pkwdym it’s been proven shanahan made majority of choices and nixed most trades?
Steve is a joke.
So if shanny is the one that makes the final decision than why are you so mad that dubas left Steve? You must think that dubas did a good job obviously, but if shanny decides everything then Kyle should not have any credit. We kept the right guy based on your assessment.
All we hear in Michigan is how Yzerman is the only person responsible for Tampa’s back to back cups 😂
1:33 I'm sure everyone thought Adam was talking about Ayres.
If you want to see how incompetent Trevliving is, just look at the Sam Bennett trade...he got Heineman, who he traded to Montreal with a 1st rd pick for Tofoli. Tofoli was then traded for an 80th rd. pick and Sharangovich...when it all washes out, Calgary ultimately got squat for the best 2nd line center in the NHL.
Dubas NEVER built a cup contender. If the Leafs win next season it is 100% Treliving. If Calgary wins it is Craig's and the only credit Treliving will get is his mentorship of Craig.
Dubas wanted Shanny's job? Shanny was like "nah dude I need to get paid too!!"
Shanny saved his job. Kyle had nothing to lose because he knew the contracts he signed for the core 4 are going to sink this team. Leafs should have kept Lou around for another couple of years.
Brad really has a personality like his dad. His father seems like a fairly jovial cat on shark tank, not so much at raptors games.
i don think we need the core 4 or 5 for %60 of the teams budget, it was a huge miscalculation to predict the salary cap going up and i didnt see any other team over pay this many stars at once
Other than the Oilers.
@@johnsummerhill8323 Who also suck.
Leafs top player is NOT worth 12 million. Not one goalie is worth 5 million. Way too many guys looking for pay raises. Lots of work to be done and if the right decisions are made, this team could still be dominant.
Dubas screwed up the RFA contracts.He did not have the experience needed. Over paid everyone on short term deals with no trade clauses? This has handcuffed the Leafs.Future.
Dubas philosophy was to get players that are fast and skilled. Only thing is fast players can be slowed down when going gets tough. So called core 4 are skilled and fast but, you need to surround them with solid defensemen and grit bottom six which Dubas did not accomplish in his time. Sheldon is a good coach for the regular season, however, he was out coached in each playoff rounds. Time to look at options for a coaching job. Need to get a healthy goalie who can stop the puck on a consistent basis. Samsonov is good but he would need a relief goalie who is competent. Joseph Woll needs 1or 2 more years to gain experience. Joseph did well in a short time he played, but you don't want him to be burnt out and loose his confidence like the past young goalies of Toronto.
Leafs got the guy who won 2 playoff series as GM. Nice. Lmao
If a team is owned by a group the use a president/GM if its owned by an individual its a GM only. It is changing because teams are owned by a group of people more than just one person now.
Brad Treliving=Creepy Cousin Eddie from the Griswolds 🤣😂🤣
Buying into the narrative created by a guy who said he wouldn't comment (like he wouldn't go to another team) and instead floated out unchecked fairytales via his friends in the media like Friedman is beyond gullible. Dubas's Tiny Talent Time outro was embarassing. Particularly the part where he postured as being holier-than-thou while leveraging his family as a shield. And we forget, he won nothing in the Soo, nothing here despite inheriting three great players and a solid organization. Any objective analysis of Kyle Dubas's career arrives at an underwhelming conclusion. If it wasn't for the rise of the new religion of analytics there's no way he gets this position. Here's to the new boss, same as the old boss.
Get ready for 10 more years of suffering... -.-
WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! 🤣😂🤣
I wish I’m wrong but I can’t help but feel Treliving will have even less of a say than Dubas and Shanny will just run it back yet again and hope for the best.
It’s will over skill these days and The Buds to a man aren’t willing to engage and add that physical element to their postseason play.
You can’t ask a wimp to suddenly become tough
And Shanny, of all people, should know that will wins over skill all the time. That's the reason the Red Wings traded HOFer Paul Coffey to get him. So why is he so afraid to follow that same mindset for the Leafs? Does he want to continue to have an entertaining regular-season team or does he want to have a team that can be a legit cup contender?
@@RG-lr4pk Except when a team has both!
Trade Matthews for whatever you can get. Let him get the bag somewhere else and go out get a few crazy a-holes with some skill
Excited yes if Brad can get Tavares to agree to be traded. That would be exciting, of course, then the Leafs need a team willing to take the worst contract to move in hockey.
Yah I don’t understand while the leafs are a good regular season team, they aren’t winning the division. They aren’t winning president trophies. Those things produce new opponents in the playoffs (usually) and can be a lot better for them than this 2nd/3rd seed in the atlantic
The team who just won the division and presidents trophy was knocked out before the leafs were this year lol
Shame they sully their broadcast to hustle gambling when it ends up screwing people
Dubas did not assemble the core. He unfortunately overpaid his cap on them, and forced them to recruit on the cheap for the supporting cast. He and Pridham bet on the cap going up, but got burned by the pandemic and the flat cap. He did not win anything in 5 years as GM, and never won anything as GM of the Greyhounds. Let’s give Treliving a shot.
Unfortunately this team will never win a cup with so many in front office. The GM can never do his job because higher ups will continue to Veto the moves that the GM wants to make.
I feel like Dubas wanted Shannys job as President and MLSE said no way. So they got a guy who is "controllable" and just does what MLSE and Shanny want without confrontation or question.
I'm not familiar with Brad but he seems like a nice man, but someone who's easily "swayed" when making decisions.
All decisions pass through about 25 team executives /scouts . Not up to just 1 guy.
@@johnsummerhill8323 exactly my point.
The president of a country barely makes decisions... They're just known as the spokesperson or puppet for the people who actually make them.
In other words, someone who will swallow the Shaniscam 24/7
Omg…if Kyle won Stanley Cups prior in his tenure, then he deserves credit for that past success. Unfortunately, he has no such success and deserves no credit. I agree with Adam…you need to stop talking about Kyle. He had his time. Lots of it. Move on. Please.
Seems pretty personable, that bodes well. Fresh start is never a bad thing.
Dubas did not get the job done. Good bye and good riddens.
dubas only brought in jt, and it never worked
Everyday Mathew’s isn’t signed the chances he stays goes down. Why would he not sign today so the team can get to work sooner? Doesn’t look good!
Dubas' ship sailed really great but never reached its destination. Steve should move on or stop calling him a Leafs' fan.
Dubas sunk the ship all the time when he was here. Whose mistake is that? Shanahan, Dubas, and Keef should have been fired after losing to Montreal.
Brad will be the next president Shanny will be fired
Please stop supporting gambling
My wife and both watch the podcast and she doesn't like it when steve swears lol.
Steve is great on his game stuff, but let's get off the Shanny hate train, please. Seems to me that Dubas & Pittsburgh were already in bed. Dubas is a double dealer. Think MLSE should ask NHL to have a peek. Dubas is not a standup guy. Believe in Shanahan much more. It was Dubas who said they could & they would &then went out & hamstrung the organization with players that couldn't & wouldn't.
Who will be the 19th Leafs GM and how many years of misery will we have to go through to get him?
exactly what i am expecting
bullshit Dubas gets credit... Dubas couldnt get the leafs to be the lesser lights of the league for 5 years
Change the core. 1 post season round win. Period
Steve... stop being so damn negative!!!!!!
no crying in the breastmilk
Every NHL Franchise runs operations differently ...not the same for all. Not every president and or GM has the same responsibilities in the league. There are unique situations and not every owner has the same view so there's a personal touch to things. In Toronto its very obvious ownership interferes and decisions are based on monatary gain instead of desisions on how this leaf team can win. What sells? Thats all its about. Leafs are the the most wealthiest franchise in league why would they change when they manipule the fan base. People need to wake up and start paying attention . Stop spending money on this team then ownership will be forced to change. NO CUP 1967. No playoff run. Hmm how long. Most wealthiest. FANS DUMB ...only bc they tolerate this. NO OTHER CITY WOULD!!!!!!
Give it up. The Leafs are more popular than ever.
It really sucks that shanny with no experience at all is making GM decisions. I think he needs to go too.