I want to ba lazy rider …..lol not having to o think of mechanics and enjoy the wind ……..we all drive automatic cars I would want the same for my motorcycle…….I was trained on manual transmission on cars but love automatic
@@lightwaters Rekluse clutch is not an automatic transmission, it just (supposedly) prevents stalls, but I can tell you from experience when moving fast, getting hot banging bars driving in hard, you will kill that motor, and then you *CANNOT* bump restart. Also, just another thing to maintain and tune, the clutch has a slave that needs to be set, it has springs of different properties to adjust pre-load and quick or late release.... Now if you have a bike with a $hitty clutch (like a Honda) I would look at the Rekluse or Hinson systems for help. Save the $1350.00 for entry fee and gasoline for practice.
I just bought a husky 501 sumo that came with a rekluse auto clutch. When it gets hot it will grab slightly in gear. It feels like a giant pit bike. Drop it in gear and twist no clutch. The thing that's messing with me is the bite point changes at speed. You can blip the clutch but the bite seems to be in a different point at every speed. Feathering is hard. Also it absolutely does not feel like a slipper. The back end will lock if you slam it down to back it in.
I’ve been riding dirt bikes only for 30 years and can use the clutch fairly well. I’m 70 yrs young and will be purchasing a Rekluse in the not to distant future. It should allow me to ride longer with less fatigue and make my riding experience even more enjoyable. For people just starting to ride I’d recommend getting proficient with a manual first and then maybe go auto. To me it’s like first driving a car with a manual stick shift, it’s fun at first to learn to shift but then gets kinda boring and tiring (especially on hills) and after a while you end up getting an automatic. Anyway, my 2 cents.
Love mine. Much better not getting the dreaded flame out on a big bore 4 stroke in slow tech conditions . Scream into corners and not stall. Ride longer without tiring. Has made the bike more usable in wider range of conditions. Yz450fx.
Agree 100%. It makes the “450s aren’t for trails” argument totally void! (I can’t switch to a slow AF 250 4t, just always feels so held back and never wants to let loose
I was looking to get one for my 450fx just for this reason and i think hearing you sold me, just way harder riding it than my 300 in the slow stuff in races.
Recluse for first bike for a beginner rider? No. However, for wiley old vets like me, it makes riding long woods races much more enjoyable, especially on 4 strokes.
the MX guru i have to disagree someone that is a beginner rider or learning how to ride is going to be much easy on them with auto clutch because they don't got to remember oh pull the clutch in to put in gear or going to stop, but the thing is that you can still use the clutch if you want to as well in ways your getting both worlds in one clutch. To me a auto clutch is a more better then a manual clutch bike you just don't remember to pull in the clutch for anything or have that muscle memory.
@@mxgryandude you mite think is important for a beginner to learn how to use a clutch only dirt bike that's fine, but i don't think so to me if more bikes offer auto clutch as a option from the factory more beginners would probably ride dirt bikes more. Look at 4 wheelers they use to be manual clutch only tell they started making them with automatic to where only racing 4 wheelers comes with manual clutch times has change dude
I have ridden 44yrs (with 11yr off, not thinking I'd ride and race again) and picked up '19 yz250f last fall and races Harescrambles the last two races. My forearms go mush and I can't ride to the level I know I can (high B to A) so I just bought a CX. Have not ran yet do to winter but had the old style Rekluse in my 2001 yz450f. I just want to enjoy racing because the next may be my last.
I raced the national Enduro series and they were selling these clutches at one of the races So I purchased one and they installed it right there so I put it in and I rode that whole race for the first time with that clutch and I kicked butt. So the learning curve for me was zero. But no disrespect to the man in the video but in my opinion they are a wonderful item. And the dirtbike lifestyle was never was one of saving money it was a hobby that help me justify me going to work to pay for.
Usefull comment Mate, thank you very much. How did you find compromising the engine break with the auto clutch? Didn't that make you feel vulnerable in a steep downhill ? Thank you
I agree with you on all points. I have faced everyone you spoke about. Due to a broken hand while racing years ago which now has arthritis. The only way I can ride is with a Recluse.
No first riders are buying Rekluse clutches because they don't have good clutch skills. This video was ridiculous. I have many different motorcycles, have been riding for 42 years and my Rekluse on my KTM 350excf in no way makes me a worse rider. In tight technical single track, it allows me to focus on my line, and bike bike control without constantly having to feather the clutch. As a result the ride is so much more enjoyable with way less fatigue. There definitely is a learning curve but after a couple of rides it becomes second nature. And then when I get back onto another bike that doesn't have it, its not big deal since that's the way I have been doing it forever. I have the left hand rear brake setup as well which solves the engine braking issue (if you want to call it an issue). all you have to do is the clutch engages is blip the throttle and voila, now you have engine braking. Having a rear hand brake allows me to have so much more control going down steep hills since I can keep both feet on the pegs. or if I need to remove my right foot, I can still brake. 2 stroke guys with normal clutches don't have engine braking either and they don't complain. As far as bump starting? Thats why I have electric start. Another non issue. The positives of a recluse far outweigh the potential negatives. It will be on every dirt bike I own from here on out. I never usually comment on videos like this but there was just so much bad information in it and a terrible perspective on a great product.
You said not many pros using it but Yamaha Star Racing uses it for supercross and out doors. Most of their team uses it in competition and they have won both supercross and outdoors with it. I think it is like most things, personal preference and comfort.
My rekluse clutch engages on the downhill np and my manual clutch lever still works like stock. And I now have a extra stock clutch now if my rekluse goes out. Regular oil changes and I have 5,800 miles with no issues yet, not even a adjustment. I'm a advanced rider I dont know how I lived without it, gamechanger! Not sure what u did wrong to yours
I haven't yet used one, but I am curious to know what causes people to say that they lose engine braking. If the clutch engages itself at say, 2k rpm then I don't understand why it would disengage itself if the rider rolls off the throttle at say, 4k rpm. Any thoughts on getting one for a new rider? My wife is almost done dropping her 250 Virago in parking lots and ready for a Harley Sportster. I really think that this would help her smooth out her riding and give her more confidence. Hell, I may get one for my Softail. When I get stuck in stop and go city traffic my clutch hand cramps after a while.
I have a recluse but i ride it like a manual. Occasionally I'll notice the lack of engine breaking on a steep downhill but that's what brakes are for. I bought a used yx450fx with a recluse on it. I didn't think I'd like it but now i love it.. there's no difference really if you want to use the clutch manually, but the recluse comes in handy on the really gnarly stuff and helps prevent a stall.. comes in handy for me at age 54..
I would start with a hydraulic clutch. It makes a huge difference. If you're a seasoned rider, maybe a little older, or a pro racer, it makes sense. Big 4t bikes can flame out alot if they're not dialed. 2t bikes don't because they pop every other stroke.
Love my cx radius on the 2020 husky te300i. Also got the husqvarna left hand rear brake kit which makes the clutchlever your rear brake. And just a note this video is lacking in info as the cx radius are so tunable with the different spring tensions that come with the kit, enabling you to adjust the aggressiveness. They are not harder to maintain than a standard clutch, the maintenance time frame is about 20hours which is inline with standard clutches, the only extra thing you need to do is check the free play gain before every ride which takes a minute. Well worth it in my opinion. Most the the people ive met that hate on auto clutches just can't afford one. If they are set up correctly for your type of riding and riding style you won't need the clutch kit and also there shouldn't be a delay in throttle response time as they are supposed to be set to have a slight drag. Anyway each to there own 🤙🤙
yeah this dude never really has facts right he just does shit reviews and hates on products he has no clue on how to use properly. Also I have the rekluse on my 2021 te300i and guess what I can easily adjust my slave cylinder out and still bump start my bike if I need to so......
@@huskyboystv1806 yeah its funny for a product that is so expensive, I would've thought people would try and understand the use and benefits of if? Instead it sounds like people can't find there brakes or the bike stalls which will be a clutch set up or idle screw problem, but somehow rekluse clutches are shit 🤣🤣🤣🤣 anyway we must be the only ones that love it 🤜🤛👊✊✊✊
Hey mate, valuable comment. Do you have any comments about the engine breaking? Did you mean that depending on adjustments, it is possible that you use "engine break" or will you definitely need to get the left hand rear brake?
I agree with you on this, the only exception is that they're mandatory on the KTM 350's, because those things stall 10 times more than the average bike.
That's the bike I was on last Summer, and the recluse really helped it. I like to climb steep stuff, and at 57 years old, it really keeps me going up the hill. I can be in 2nd and if I get into trouble I can tap it down into 1st and keep going. That extra second it takes to clutch and then shift often times stops the ascent, and then you lose the forward momentum and everything just stops. Then, it's hard to get going again, so go back to the bottom and start over.
Yes, the 350 will stall, but for the most part its more of a flame out, if you tune your cold start yellow nob to 22 clicks in and your ideal nob to standard clicks it will stop most of those flame out, the other problem is the fuel connector elbow that goes from bottom of the tank to the hose. It doest have a large enough port through it so at times when your doing the hill climbs it will starve the engine of fuel, I've it happen in corners also. I can't remember the company's name of where I got the part for the tank, but just Google 350 flame out and a video will pop up. I did those two steps and no more stalls/flame outs
My Rekluse Core 3.0 engages engine break down a hill, i have to throttle it sometimes to remind the gears to engage and then the engine brakes same as a manual. Problem with a Rekluse i have found is up hills when you lose momentum and can't slip the bike in gear and stop it from rolling back. On some super steep hills even if you are on the rear and front brake, the bike will roll back. Nothing like an engaged 1st gear to stop you on that hill. You make fair arguments there and at 50+ years i am still torn between keeping my Rekluse or going back to manual. It's all good as long as you keep riding safely.
Been riding /racing bikes all my life. Just now getting back into endro racing with a 2023 Husqvarna TE300. About to put a Rekluse auto clutch in it. No shame. I know how to work clutches. I have a old wrist injury with a few surgeries on it that makes my hand go numb. Anything to help me compete 👍. I've never ran an auto clutch before though, about to spend a grand+ on one 😑. I've heard they're great, especially with the $400+ left hand brake option... I thought I left roadracing to save money....
On long weekend rides. I’m good to go all 3 day instead burnt out 1st day. I’ve been riding along time with and without. I prefer rekluse clutch it’s pulls harder due to more traction control hands down. not just good conditions but worst conditions. I can still use clutch when necessary . I also have in my harley. For me it’s my go to on every bike.
I feel like this is a little bias. I've been riding for 15 years and I don't feel that I will become a bad rider by getting a rekluse clutch. Some people like me have wrist issues, and this can aid with that. You still have the choice to use it in rough terrain when you want.
THANKS for this video! i was really thinking about an auto clutch. but always with a subtle bad gut feeling. now i dropped this idea and your video was the kicker. all my bad gut feelings turned into conviction. i'm quite good at clutch feathering and always found it to be fun and rewarding. clutch popping is so much fun as well. same with engine breaking. it's super important for me in terms of safety and i use it a lot. lastly, when a hill climb goes wrong, i know that i have the stall engine feature to get into a safe spot to recover and rethinking the situation without having to care about anything e.g. the rear brake engagement with my right foot. what if i'm not able to reach it cause i ended up in an awkward body position? the dual lever solution sounds completely ridiculous to me. once again, THANKS for destroying my auto clutch idea, which i always knew inside myself that it is a bad idea for me. ✌
This dude has the idea of the auto clutch all wrong he’s making it sound like you can never switch back to a manual clutch after you ride an auto clutch My buddy rides multiple bikes half of them have rekluse auto clutches and the other half have manual clutches and he’s just fine and actually prefers the auto clutch in race situations (hare scrambles) and also you had the clutches mixed up at the start of the vid the radius cx is a auto clutch not a manual
Thank you ! Usefull information. I agree with the fact that however it is, learning to ride and getting good with a manual clutch will ever make you a better rider, and that doesn't mean auto clutches are bad. It only means that you can decide to use one when you are already a good manual rider. @vegasromaniac any comments about left hand rear break ?
hand rear brake its a must specially for wheelies, i looked myself in to that solution, just doesnt work very well without a auto rekluse. ive seen a system where the clutch pull the brake after its disengaged , one all in one , interesting ... one lever does it all, half is clutch the other half rear brake
Dylan Fernandis gets many holeshots in ama 250 motocross races.with an auto clutch...you can dump the clutch! mashed hands make rekluse mandatory. It has taken me a year to get as good with the rekluse as with the normal clutch...mainly to realize you still need to use the manual clutch for log hops and low traction situation...just ride and have fun
A Rekluse auto clutch is a tool, not a crutch and should not be blanked by the statements in this video as it misses the bigger picture. RadiusCX is an auto clutch. The manual options from Rekluse are Core Manual and Core Manual TorqDrive so that information is incorrect.
For an experienced rider it will have way more benefits if you never used a manual clutch before your at an automatic handicap first learn how to use your manual clutch
I haven’t tried one but I can chime in a bit. Electric dirt bikes are so easy to ride because you just twist the throttle and go. No gears. No clutch. It’s intuitive. But once you have used a clutch and then go back to an electric dirt bike, you’ll find yourself wishing you could clutch it up over stuff. And the rekluse still allows that. I really don’t see many downsides to these other than cost.
Several problems in your statement I like the fact you admitted you never tried one another is the fact that the recluse clutch has a delay before an engages because it's centrifugal You don't really release and engages right away so you'll have to relearn completely also if you have to use the clutch to get over things why not just use the normal clutch why would you spend another $1,000 on a recluse clutch if you're going to use it as a clutch anyways see that's why the recluse is such a hard thing to deal with because it makes no sense but it's a good clutch it just doesn't make any sense
People would be surprised on how many big name pro Moto or other Disciplines of off road use these to there advantage. BUT, and thats a big but, you have to know how to tune them properly. Some say, I don't like the free roll, Down shift then there is engine braking if properly tuned. Others that they dont like the roll back on a hill if something happens. Grab the brakes. Its not a solve all, its something to help you. Others say it robs power, hate to tell you, I've tuned on a lot of recluse clutches and I have also dyno tested them, if properly tuned they don't do no such thing. I can't tell what gear I'm in, I've heard them all before. Everyone to there own, like them or not, if they ARE PROPERLY TUNED THEY WILL MAKE YOU BETTER AND YOU WILL HAVE NOTHING NEGATIVE TO SAY
I purchased a used bike with one and i havent uaed it much so far but as of now i rather have a regular clutch by far. I just feel like i dont have as much control over the bike ..
Have thought about an auto clutch since my left leg is prosthetic and it would help me out. I run a heel toe shift due to my prosthetic limb. I have no problems with my set up so the auto clutch is just a thought.
I completely agree i won't buy one for one there not worth the money way to expensive and i love the manual clutch thats the hole purpose of riding a dirt bike
Great video. Convinced me to NOT get one as I’m riding for first time 35 yrs. 44 now and want to get to know “real” riding! Sure I’ll get one 20 yrs from now. Thanks!
Am considering one of for my 2006 Yamaha Stratoliner. What I don’t understand is after installing a Rekluse automatic clutch is when will you need to apply the clutch while riding ?
You don't lose engine braking if the Rekluse is set up properly and you learn how to use it. I've been using a Rekluse Core EXP3.0 for over for 4 years (160 hours) in my RMZ250, used for Hare Scramble and Motocross. I don't see much benefit to using one just for trail riding though, but that's just my opinion.
Most of my friends are decent casual riders, riding for over 30+ years of there life. I've biked for like 5 years. If this video were true, They would be better and faster than me on a Rekluse cause they leaned "how to use a clutch". But I'm faster in the tight technical and the same speed when it opens up. The only people that need to use and learn the advanced clutch skills he's talking about are pro level riders. And if you wanted to do that type of riding, you could still use the clutch feature with a Rekluse. Point is. 98% of riders never learn the technics he's talking about anyways. So the Rekluse just makes you faster, more capable, and less fatigued. This idea that you are never gonna learn invaluable clutch skills is pure BS. cause only 2% of riders ever learn that any ways. And the Rekluse doesn't prevent you from doing that anyways.
I'm confused I have radiusX on my trx450 and still have engine breaking, and can use it manually which is what I do. Just like it cause helps with xc racing and possibly stalling. Just pretend it a normal clutch.
Put a Rekluse on my Xtrainer a few months into riding. Definitely made me faster, but now in my 4th year riding I’m doing more technical riding and the Rekluse sucks. If you stall on a steep rocky hill it rolls backwards. Going back to stock clutch.
The MX Guru Well thanks...I’m on the short side, so dropping the bike and picking it back up on a steep rocky hill isn’t always easy when you’re exhausted. Thanks for the tip
What's your opinion on electric dirt bikes. Eventually this is what's gonna replace our gas bikes. They don't have a clutch, but I guess that they have so much torque that if you have it at the highest discharge power, one blip of the throttle can lift that front tire without an issue. Also I guess that with an electric dirt bike you can go as slow as you want without stalling.
Some do have a clutch, and yeah that motor torque it's not the same. It will be a completely new class of riders out there finding ways around the problems
Interesting topic, kind of feel like your giving it in the perspective of someone who is learning to ride or at most a beginner rider. Also probably with the assumption of someone riding a bike that has Estart and/or a 2 stroke. Let me pose a different situation. I happen to have a pretty nice 2005 CRF450R (no estart, very tall first gear, easy to stall, etc). Let’s pretend that being a few years older than you, I’d like to spend more time riding trails instead of track, but I don’t want to dump $10-11k into a new CRF450L that is much much heavier (250 4t isn’t enough power for me, after riding 250 2t and 450 4t the majority of my life) and not going to add a ton to what I have and be a POS when I actually do want to ride the track. Ideally, if I wanted to dump a bunch of money, a 300 2t euro bike would probably be best trail bike. But let’s go with the budget proposal. Throw a Fan kit, and a Rekluse on my 450 and go have fun on the trails. See, many of us already know how to use a clutch (cool thing about the Rekluse, it lets you use the clutch if that’s what you want to do, which I often do). The huge advantages for trail riding: 1) doesn’t stall!!! Being on a hill or technical section and stalling a 4t is easy and it takes away your momentum. 2) doesn’t stall!! Yep, there is another advantage to not stalling on an older 450, since we don’t have an estart button, we have to kick it. This can be a huge pain in butt when on a hill AND the bike is hot (harder to start). 3. Gearing: this helps to solve the Tall gearing (esp in 1st gear) on MX 450 bikes for the trails. 4. Traction: because the engagement is slightly more gradual (or easier), in theory, less wheel spin. Having riding normal clutches my whole life and doing my first ride with Rekluse last week, I am sold!!! Yes, I wouldn’t recommend it for younger riders or beginners, because they need to learn to ride with a clutch, it’s part of learning your craft and what happens if you have to ride a buddies bike out from a trail and he doesn’t have a Rekluse, it’s just better to know how to ride with a clutch (as well as a kick starter). Cons: 1) there isn’t that ability to hold the bike in place on a hill, by holding it in gear (the left hand brake mod is something I am thinking about). 2). Cost. They aren’t cheap (but for my specific situation, it was a much cheaper solution). As far as the engine breaking is concerned, this is a partial truth. If you are staying out if really low RPM, it still engine breaks. In fact, this is one thing that I was surprised felt more normal than I thought it would. Plus, most 2t have very little engine breaking anyway (I hate engine breaking at the track). Overall, I love Rekluse.
@@vegasromaniac this is a little too simplistic of a reply. To date there have been around, 8 or so different versions of Rekluse auto clutch kits. Add to that, they don’t all work the same way, it depends how they are adjusted and they all work slightly differently on different bikes. I fell completely off my bike twice and also came to a complete stop several times riding more technical terrain, it didn’t stall ONE single time. I guess your assuming I’ve never ridden it? Or they are all the exact same? Agree, they “can” still stall, they aren’t 100% stall proof. But they stall far far less than you would without it.
I installed the radius x auto clutch on my 2015 crf450r a year ago. I ride trails / bush / light track work / beach / dunes. Overall I’m much more consistent and the bike is so much more versatile and just plain easy to ride. Cons. Heavier clutch (rarely used anyway) and a loss of engine breaking which imho is a disadvantage in in anything but deep sand. I nearly sold the bike a yr ago but after fitting the rekluse it just does everything I need
@@mikeaust80 you do not loose engine breaking at all unless you slow creep down a hill and even then all you have to do is lightly blip the throttle and the engine breaking will work just fine
I’ve since sold my Crf and removed the rekluse auto clutch. My experience on a 15 crf450 is you loose some engine breaking. This was confirmed before I purchased the clutch from the vendor and by multiple online posts. I refitted the oem clutch and increased engine breaking returned. You’d think in theory this wouldn’t be the case. Believe what you will. I’ve since bought a beta 250rr and yet to stall the bike so I’ll most probably be selling the rekluse
I have a 2015 crf450 that I use for mainly woods and some Mx tracks the clutch is hard as hell to pull resulting in alot of stalls in tight sections in the woods. I think the auto clutch may be ideal for me
@@vegasromaniac true I know they are not good for woods as it's a Mx bike I remember one of you're videos about it. Problem is it is great on track I guess I'm wanting too much out of one bike lol
I’m not quite sure that all of this information is really correct, the recluse clutch is not automatic, you still have to shift, you just don’t need to pull in the clutch, but you’re still shifting gears and you do get engine brake when you downshift, I think the clutch is excellent for older experienced riders who have arthritis or carpal tunnel or perhaps anyone who has a week left hand
Its okay, I have it in my KTM 300. I don't think I would purchase it again. I have two other bikes and I like the manual clutch more, just for having the option of variety. Rarely do you see someone like Graham Jarvis using it. By the way, did you go to Romanics this year?
Some good points in this one, but for me, I don't throw chunks of money on expensive extras like a Rekluse unless it is an all around game changer. I love when I got my KTM because of the nice hydraulic clutch. My Yamaha had a cable and it's a game-changer having the low effort on a hydraulic system. I suppose left-handed wankers, get lots more wanking with a Rekluse, but only a little more with hydraulic system :D
It's not the same .. it makes you feel it's the same .. but unless you lock it the clutch has a delay that will screw up your riding when you get on a regular bike ...
@@vegasromaniac True it definitely feels different. Just saying - If I need that pop to get over a log or something I still have it. Your arguments are all valid. I would never reccomend a new rider use one of these. I like it because I'm older early 50's, and I ride North Georgia offroad with lots of big hill climbs. Too old to care if anyone calls me lazy ;-)
But it was an A class Enduro rider that got me hooked on it back in the day. And I will say there are races I am pretty sure I wouldn't have been able to finish without it. The Gobbler Getter in AL is one that I remember just being physically spent, letting the old Recluse drag me up the hill ...
I have a new YZ450F (I love it), and I just bought the Rekluse CX. I'm too old for this manual $%*t. If you want a real motocross experience, then get a two-stroke. I think future motorcycles will be equipped standard with automatic clutches (just like cars). And, then it will all probably be electric. It's called progress.... I'm ready for a debate here.
If a new rider learns auto clutch they will only ever be able to ride 0.0001 percent of the bikes. How do you test ride a bike you're thinking of buying for instance?
You have to learn to use a clutch properly one day as nearly all bikes aren't auto clutch. If you want to test ride a regular bike you wouldn't be able.
@@markillingworth1929 with the autoclutch your still able to shift the bike like a regular bike does. People need get with the times things are changing and soon or later off road bikes will have autoclutch, look at the 4 wheelers they use to be manual clutch tell they started to put automatic clutch in them that only manual on you can get now are racing quads the same things are going to happen with motorcycles as well give it time
You should do a review on Quickshifters for dirt bikes you know like they have on Road bikes i think the fans would like to see something like that but it only works on EFI engines (TRANSLOGIC QUICKSHIFTER)
I have one for a 07 wr 450 f for sale.. for me the biggets downside was no engine braking downhill, or at least none until you poofed the throttle and we're going 15mph......... i prefer the normal engine braking keeping me no faster than 10mph downhill, downhill for me was the dealbreaker
@@tru3sk1ll carry mine with the rekluse all the time on a carrier I just put a ratchet strap around one of the rims to the rail to prevent it from having any role in any direction, simple as that
I'm an experienced rider but sometimes I ride a bike with a recluse auto clutch and on really technical trails I like it but going down steep hills I don't like not having engine braking with it.
@@vegasromaniac I’m not talking about full throttle dude, just enough to engage the clutch for engine braking. If you don’t understand that then you shouldn’t be giving anyone advise about dirt bikes.
@@prestonthomas9406 crashing happens when you don't have enough time to react and catch the bike, so adding a " slight blip to the throttle" in a crazy situation its just not worth it, also if you stall, and strat rolling back, the rekluse it's a widowmaker
This is dumb. People aren’t buying a Rekluse clutch because they can’t figure out how to shift. It’s for a different type of riding. I feel like you’re the only one who missed the point.
Hey VegasRomaniac - always enjoy your content. I’ve been riding 45 years and def know how to use a clutch, but I’ll never have another dirtbike without one. All of your cons- are what I see as positives. IMHO saying a rekluse makes a rider less skilled is like saying we should all still ride 70’s bikes with carburetors.
@@whatsit2ya247 i've bought all three of my Rekluse clutches (KTM 350, 690 and YX250) used for around $300 each, but even new they are worth the ~$750. And yes I suppose many new parts can cost more than an older bike. Just the way it is.
Just bought a 2016 kx450f it has a rekluse clutch I’m still trying to get used to it I’ve always ridden with a regular clutch. It’s definitely different but it’s not bad it’s just a weird feeling when you downshift and you don’t hear the bike rev up and you don’t feel yourself slowing down.
Wondering if OP or anyone has used a Rekluse on a street bike? Would it act like a slipper clutch when downshifting?
I pinned the question to the top maybe we can get the conversation stared
I want to ba lazy rider …..lol not having to o think of mechanics and enjoy the wind ……..we all drive automatic cars I would want the same for my motorcycle…….I was trained on manual transmission on cars but love automatic
@@lightwaters Rekluse clutch is not an automatic transmission, it just (supposedly) prevents stalls, but I can tell you from experience when moving fast, getting hot banging bars driving in hard, you will kill that motor, and then you *CANNOT* bump restart. Also, just another thing to maintain and tune, the clutch has a slave that needs to be set, it has springs of different properties to adjust pre-load and quick or late release.... Now if you have a bike with a $hitty clutch (like a Honda) I would look at the Rekluse or Hinson systems for help. Save the $1350.00 for entry fee and gasoline for practice.
I just bought a husky 501 sumo that came with a rekluse auto clutch. When it gets hot it will grab slightly in gear. It feels like a giant pit bike. Drop it in gear and twist no clutch. The thing that's messing with me is the bite point changes at speed. You can blip the clutch but the bite seems to be in a different point at every speed. Feathering is hard. Also it absolutely does not feel like a slipper. The back end will lock if you slam it down to back it in.
I’ve been riding dirt bikes only for 30 years and can use the clutch fairly well. I’m 70 yrs young and will be purchasing a Rekluse in the not to distant future. It should allow me to ride longer with less fatigue and make my riding experience even more enjoyable. For people just starting to ride I’d recommend getting proficient with a manual first and then maybe go auto. To me it’s like first driving a car with a manual stick shift, it’s fun at first to learn to shift but then gets kinda boring and tiring (especially on hills) and after a while you end up getting an automatic. Anyway, my 2 cents.
Love mine. Much better not getting the dreaded flame out on a big bore 4 stroke in slow tech conditions . Scream into corners and not stall. Ride longer without tiring. Has made the bike more usable in wider range of conditions. Yz450fx.
Agree 100%. It makes the “450s aren’t for trails” argument totally void! (I can’t switch to a slow AF 250 4t, just always feels so held back and never wants to let loose
Glad it works for you...
I was looking to get one for my 450fx just for this reason and i think hearing you sold me, just way harder riding it than my 300 in the slow stuff in races.
@@RideWithJosh696 yes, its tamed my 450fx and I also put a larger front sprocket on which makes 1st more usable
Recluse for first bike for a beginner rider? No.
However, for wiley old vets like me, it makes riding long woods races much more enjoyable, especially on 4 strokes.
True, I'm starting to get to that age where I need to seriously think about confort
the MX guru i have to disagree someone that is a beginner rider or learning how to ride is going to be much easy on them with auto clutch because they don't got to remember oh pull the clutch in to put in gear or going to stop, but the thing is that you can still use the clutch if you want to as well in ways your getting both worlds in one clutch. To me a auto clutch is a more better then a manual clutch bike you just don't remember to pull in the clutch for anything or have that muscle memory.
@@sdudley11 it is important for a beginner to learn the fundamentals of a motorcycle.
@@mxgryandude you mite think is important for a beginner to learn how to use a clutch only dirt bike that's fine, but i don't think so to me if more bikes offer auto clutch as a option from the factory more beginners would probably ride dirt bikes more. Look at 4 wheelers they use to be manual clutch only tell they started making them with automatic to where only racing 4 wheelers comes with manual clutch times has change dude
I have ridden 44yrs (with 11yr off, not thinking I'd ride and race again) and picked up '19 yz250f last fall and races Harescrambles the last two races. My forearms go mush and I can't ride to the level I know I can (high B to A) so I just bought a CX. Have not ran yet do to winter but had the old style Rekluse in my 2001 yz450f.
I just want to enjoy racing because the next may be my last.
I think this is a fair an accurate argument... but I still like my Rekluse clutch. I'm 57 years old, and it really helps.
I raced the national Enduro series and they were selling these clutches at one of the races So I purchased one and they installed it right there so I put it in and I rode that whole race for the first time with that clutch and I kicked butt. So the learning curve for me was zero. But no disrespect to the man in the video but in my opinion they are a wonderful item. And the dirtbike lifestyle was never was one of saving money it was a hobby that help me justify me going to work to pay for.
Usefull comment Mate, thank you very much. How did you find compromising the engine break with the auto clutch? Didn't that make you feel vulnerable in a steep downhill ? Thank you
@@arnulph2379 I’m on a 2 stroke so there is no engine braking .But even going downhill I usually pull the clutch anyway.
I agree with you on all points. I have faced everyone you spoke about. Due to a broken hand while racing years ago which now has arthritis. The only way I can ride is with a Recluse.
Yeah, I might be getting there myself Ina couple of years
No first riders are buying Rekluse clutches because they don't have good clutch skills. This video was ridiculous. I have many different motorcycles, have been riding for 42 years and my Rekluse on my KTM 350excf in no way makes me a worse rider. In tight technical single track, it allows me to focus on my line, and bike bike control without constantly having to feather the clutch. As a result the ride is so much more enjoyable with way less fatigue. There definitely is a learning curve but after a couple of rides it becomes second nature. And then when I get back onto another bike that doesn't have it, its not big deal since that's the way I have been doing it forever. I have the left hand rear brake setup as well which solves the engine braking issue (if you want to call it an issue). all you have to do is the clutch engages is blip the throttle and voila, now you have engine braking. Having a rear hand brake allows me to have so much more control going down steep hills since I can keep both feet on the pegs. or if I need to remove my right foot, I can still brake. 2 stroke guys with normal clutches don't have engine braking either and they don't complain. As far as bump starting? Thats why I have electric start. Another non issue. The positives of a recluse far outweigh the potential negatives. It will be on every dirt bike I own from here on out. I never usually comment on videos like this but there was just so much bad information in it and a terrible perspective on a great product.
You said not many pros using it but Yamaha Star Racing uses it for supercross and out doors. Most of their team uses it in competition and they have won both supercross and outdoors with it. I think it is like most things, personal preference and comfort.
i referred to the enduro races , the rekluse it's a track thing
No they dont use an automatic clutch. They use Rekluse manual clutches
My rekluse clutch engages on the downhill np and my manual clutch lever still works like stock. And I now have a extra stock clutch now if my rekluse goes out. Regular oil changes and I have 5,800 miles with no issues yet, not even a adjustment. I'm a advanced rider I dont know how I lived without it, gamechanger! Not sure what u did wrong to yours
I haven't yet used one, but I am curious to know what causes people to say that they lose engine braking. If the clutch engages itself at say, 2k rpm then I don't understand why it would disengage itself if the rider rolls off the throttle at say, 4k rpm.
Any thoughts on getting one for a new rider? My wife is almost done dropping her 250 Virago in parking lots and ready for a Harley Sportster. I really think that this would help her smooth out her riding and give her more confidence.
Hell, I may get one for my Softail. When I get stuck in stop and go city traffic my clutch hand cramps after a while.
Nor stalling in race makes a rekluse super awesome. The only thing I might add is a left hand brake.
Yep.. But I'm a ninja with the start button these days..
I have a recluse but i ride it like a manual. Occasionally I'll notice the lack of engine breaking on a steep downhill but that's what brakes are for. I bought a used yx450fx with a recluse on it. I didn't think I'd like it but now i love it.. there's no difference really if you want to use the clutch manually, but the recluse comes in handy on the really gnarly stuff and helps prevent a stall.. comes in handy for me at age 54..
I would start with a hydraulic clutch. It makes a huge difference. If you're a seasoned rider, maybe a little older, or a pro racer, it makes sense. Big 4t bikes can flame out alot if they're not dialed. 2t bikes don't because they pop every other stroke.
Love my cx radius on the 2020 husky te300i. Also got the husqvarna left hand rear brake kit which makes the clutchlever your rear brake. And just a note this video is lacking in info as the cx radius are so tunable with the different spring tensions that come with the kit, enabling you to adjust the aggressiveness. They are not harder to maintain than a standard clutch, the maintenance time frame is about 20hours which is inline with standard clutches, the only extra thing you need to do is check the free play gain before every ride which takes a minute. Well worth it in my opinion. Most the the people ive met that hate on auto clutches just can't afford one. If they are set up correctly for your type of riding and riding style you won't need the clutch kit and also there shouldn't be a delay in throttle response time as they are supposed to be set to have a slight drag.
Anyway each to there own 🤙🤙
Awesome info thanks I'll pin it to the top
yeah this dude never really has facts right he just does shit reviews and hates on products he has no clue on how to use properly. Also I have the rekluse on my 2021 te300i and guess what I can easily adjust my slave cylinder out and still bump start my bike if I need to so......
@@huskyboystv1806 yeah its funny for a product that is so expensive, I would've thought people would try and understand the use and benefits of if? Instead it sounds like people can't find there brakes or the bike stalls which will be a clutch set up or idle screw problem, but somehow rekluse clutches are shit 🤣🤣🤣🤣 anyway we must be the only ones that love it 🤜🤛👊✊✊✊
Hey mate, valuable comment. Do you have any comments about the engine breaking? Did you mean that depending on adjustments, it is possible that you use "engine break" or will you definitely need to get the left hand rear brake?
@@arnulph2379 I have rekluse and have engine breaking I don't know what he saying
I agree with you on this, the only exception is that they're mandatory on the KTM 350's, because those things stall 10 times more than the average bike.
Yeah, I've heard...
That's the bike I was on last Summer, and the recluse really helped it. I like to climb steep stuff, and at 57 years old, it really keeps me going up the hill. I can be in 2nd and if I get into trouble I can tap it down into 1st and keep going. That extra second it takes to clutch and then shift often times stops the ascent, and then you lose the forward momentum and everything just stops. Then, it's hard to get going again, so go back to the bottom and start over.
Yes, the 350 will stall, but for the most part its more of a flame out, if you tune your cold start yellow nob to 22 clicks in and your ideal nob to standard clicks it will stop most of those flame out, the other problem is the fuel connector elbow that goes from bottom of the tank to the hose. It doest have a large enough port through it so at times when your doing the hill climbs it will starve the engine of fuel, I've it happen in corners also. I can't remember the company's name of where I got the part for the tank, but just Google 350 flame out and a video will pop up. I did those two steps and no more stalls/flame outs
@@stevenday6082 Good info, Thanks
My Rekluse Core 3.0 engages engine break down a hill, i have to throttle it sometimes to remind the gears to engage and then the engine brakes same as a manual. Problem with a Rekluse i have found is up hills when you lose momentum and can't slip the bike in gear and stop it from rolling back. On some super steep hills even if you are on the rear and front brake, the bike will roll back. Nothing like an engaged 1st gear to stop you on that hill. You make fair arguments there and at 50+ years i am still torn between keeping my Rekluse or going back to manual. It's all good as long as you keep riding safely.
Been riding /racing bikes all my life. Just now getting back into endro racing with a 2023 Husqvarna TE300. About to put a Rekluse auto clutch in it. No shame. I know how to work clutches. I have a old wrist injury with a few surgeries on it that makes my hand go numb. Anything to help me compete 👍. I've never ran an auto clutch before though, about to spend a grand+ on one 😑. I've heard they're great, especially with the $400+ left hand brake option... I thought I left roadracing to save money....
On long weekend rides. I’m good to go all 3 day instead burnt out 1st day. I’ve been riding along time with and without. I prefer rekluse clutch it’s pulls harder due to more traction control hands down. not just good conditions but worst conditions. I can still use clutch when necessary . I also have in my harley. For me it’s my go to on every bike.
Yes, you nailed it with this video. 5:49 - exactly.
A👌👍
I feel like this is a little bias. I've been riding for 15 years and I don't feel that I will become a bad rider by getting a rekluse clutch. Some people like me have wrist issues, and this can aid with that. You still have the choice to use it in rough terrain when you want.
THANKS for this video! i was really thinking about an auto clutch. but always with a subtle bad gut feeling. now i dropped this idea and your video was the kicker. all my bad gut feelings turned into conviction. i'm quite good at clutch feathering and always found it to be fun and rewarding. clutch popping is so much fun as well. same with engine breaking. it's super important for me in terms of safety and i use it a lot. lastly, when a hill climb goes wrong, i know that i have the stall engine feature to get into a safe spot to recover and rethinking the situation without having to care about anything e.g. the rear brake engagement with my right foot. what if i'm not able to reach it cause i ended up in an awkward body position? the dual lever solution sounds completely ridiculous to me. once again, THANKS for destroying my auto clutch idea, which i always knew inside myself that it is a bad idea for me. ✌
You already knew everything you needed to know. My video was just confirmation but thanks for watching I appreciate it
This dude has the idea of the auto clutch all wrong he’s making it sound like you can never switch back to a manual clutch after you ride an auto clutch My buddy rides multiple bikes half of them have rekluse auto clutches and the other half have manual clutches and he’s just fine and actually prefers the auto clutch in race situations (hare scrambles) and also you had the clutches mixed up at the start of the vid the radius cx is a auto clutch not a manual
I started racing on a kx60, i never had an issue using a clutch
Thank you ! Usefull information. I agree with the fact that however it is, learning to ride and getting good with a manual clutch will ever make you a better rider, and that doesn't mean auto clutches are bad. It only means that you can decide to use one when you are already a good manual rider. @vegasromaniac any comments about left hand rear break ?
hand rear brake its a must specially for wheelies, i looked myself in to that solution, just doesnt work very well without a auto rekluse. ive seen a system where the clutch pull the brake after its disengaged , one all in one , interesting ... one lever does it all, half is clutch the other half rear brake
Injured my left in a Pcp airgun accident I love the clutch aways rode with manual clutch the recluse helps a lot at he moment
But I get your point👌
Dylan Fernandis gets many holeshots in ama 250 motocross races.with an auto clutch...you can dump the clutch! mashed hands make rekluse mandatory. It has taken me a year to get as good with the rekluse as with the normal clutch...mainly to realize you still need to use the manual clutch for log hops and low traction situation...just ride and have fun
A Rekluse auto clutch is a tool, not a crutch and should not be blanked by the statements in this video as it misses the bigger picture. RadiusCX is an auto clutch. The manual options from Rekluse are Core Manual and Core Manual TorqDrive so that information is incorrect.
I'll pin on top the comment but I doubt anybody will understand what you said
True. But most users will use it as a crutch. And I believe thats what he was referring to.
@@vegasromaniac I understand exactly what he is saying
@@vegasromaniac agree mr Vegas, didn't understand a word of that AP wrote
Buy one after you've learned proper clutch control, but you're tired of stalling out your 4 stroke in the tight, technical stuff lol
I have automatic , and i agree with you.
The clutch should last a long time as long as you are running in the right gear
For an experienced rider it will have way more benefits if you never used a manual clutch before your at an automatic handicap first learn how to use your manual clutch
I haven’t tried one but I can chime in a bit.
Electric dirt bikes are so easy to ride because you just twist the throttle and go. No gears. No clutch. It’s intuitive.
But once you have used a clutch and then go back to an electric dirt bike, you’ll find yourself wishing you could clutch it up over stuff. And the rekluse still allows that.
I really don’t see many downsides to these other than cost.
Several problems in your statement I like the fact you admitted you never tried one another is the fact that the recluse clutch has a delay before an engages because it's centrifugal You don't really release and engages right away so you'll have to relearn completely also if you have to use the clutch to get over things why not just use the normal clutch why would you spend another $1,000 on a recluse clutch if you're going to use it as a clutch anyways see that's why the recluse is such a hard thing to deal with because it makes no sense but it's a good clutch it just doesn't make any sense
Rekluse ups your game. Period.
If you don't know how to ride ...m
At 67 years old and riding for 55 years it's a nice mod.
People would be surprised on how many big name pro Moto or other Disciplines of off road use these to there advantage. BUT, and thats a big but, you have to know how to tune them properly. Some say, I don't like the free roll, Down shift then there is engine braking if properly tuned. Others that they dont like the roll back on a hill if something happens. Grab the brakes. Its not a solve all, its something to help you. Others say it robs power, hate to tell you, I've tuned on a lot of recluse clutches and I have also dyno tested them, if properly tuned they don't do no such thing. I can't tell what gear I'm in, I've heard them all before. Everyone to there own, like them or not, if they ARE PROPERLY TUNED THEY WILL MAKE YOU BETTER AND YOU WILL HAVE NOTHING NEGATIVE TO SAY
100% agree with you I love mine and I have none of those issues he talks about
I also have no problem at all telling what great I'm in, if not by feel but by the fact I usually keep track
The whole masters, expert, and vet ex line up in the pnwma races are filled with big 4 strokes and rekluse clutches
Race yes. Trail no ..
Manual clutches is good for me automatic clutch I’ve try it did not like it . It didn’t feel right but that’s just me iam sure it work for other rider
I purchased a used bike with one and i havent uaed it much so far but as of now i rather have a regular clutch by far. I just feel like i dont have as much control over the bike ..
Rekluse auto clutches are awesome!!
im not a big fan
I get ya!!
I think they are the serious shit!!!
Good points
Agreed..
Have thought about an auto clutch since my left leg is prosthetic and it would help me out. I run a heel toe shift due to my prosthetic limb. I have no problems with my set up so the auto clutch is just a thought.
Absolutely , in your situation it will allow you to make the best of that situation
I completely agree i won't buy one for one there not worth the money way to expensive and i love the manual clutch thats the hole purpose of riding a dirt bike
Great video. Convinced me to NOT get one as I’m riding for first time 35 yrs. 44 now and want to get to know “real” riding! Sure I’ll get one 20 yrs from now. Thanks!
Yeah me too, în about 10 years I'll need all the help I can get
Since I don't get paid for anything except my job I prefer not to suffer. I can skip leg days in the gym and ride manual as many times as I want
🤯
Am considering one of for my 2006 Yamaha Stratoliner.
What I don’t understand is after installing a Rekluse automatic clutch is when will you need to apply the clutch while riding ?
You don't lose engine braking if the Rekluse is set up properly and you learn how to use it. I've been using a Rekluse Core EXP3.0 for over for 4 years (160 hours) in my RMZ250, used for Hare Scramble and Motocross. I don't see much benefit to using one just for trail riding though, but that's just my opinion.
Motor stops bike rolls back ..
@@vegasromaniac there are some downsides, but you have to learn how to use the Rekluse. In my opinion it's not for beginners.
Same here, I have engine braking with my Rekluse clutch, love it.
Most of my friends are decent casual riders, riding for over 30+ years of there life. I've biked for like 5 years. If this video were true, They would be better and faster than me on a Rekluse cause they leaned "how to use a clutch". But I'm faster in the tight technical and the same speed when it opens up.
The only people that need to use and learn the advanced clutch skills he's talking about are pro level riders. And if you wanted to do that type of riding, you could still use the clutch feature with a Rekluse. Point is. 98% of riders never learn the technics he's talking about anyways. So the Rekluse just makes you faster, more capable, and less fatigued. This idea that you are never gonna learn invaluable clutch skills is pure BS. cause only 2% of riders ever learn that any ways. And the Rekluse doesn't prevent you from doing that anyways.
great video!!!...Now I know.....think I'am gonna stay with my standard clutch. ...peace
Awesome
I'm confused I have radiusX on my trx450 and still have engine breaking, and can use it manually which is what I do. Just like it cause helps with xc racing and possibly stalling. Just pretend it a normal clutch.
if your motor stalls you don't have engine breaking anymore and roll back
Put a Rekluse on my Xtrainer a few months into riding. Definitely made me faster, but now in my 4th year riding I’m doing more technical riding and the Rekluse sucks. If you stall on a steep rocky hill it rolls backwards. Going back to stock clutch.
It won't roll backwards if you just pull in the brake buddy...
The MX Guru Well thanks...I’m on the short side, so dropping the bike and picking it back up on a steep rocky hill isn’t always easy when you’re exhausted. Thanks for the tip
That's the usual path.. It's not all bad but some stuff makes it crazy, rolling back can be deadly
If you have fallen of the bike and your foot is nowhere near the rad brake and you try to hold the font.. Good luck. It will roll back
It wont stall if you put it in neutral rolling backwards.
What's your opinion on electric dirt bikes. Eventually this is what's gonna replace our gas bikes. They don't have a clutch, but I guess that they have so much torque that if you have it at the highest discharge power, one blip of the throttle can lift that front tire without an issue. Also I guess that with an electric dirt bike you can go as slow as you want without stalling.
Some do have a clutch, and yeah that motor torque it's not the same. It will be a completely new class of riders out there finding ways around the problems
Interesting topic, kind of feel like your giving it in the perspective of someone who is learning to ride or at most a beginner rider. Also probably with the assumption of someone riding a bike that has Estart and/or a 2 stroke. Let me pose a different situation. I happen to have a pretty nice 2005 CRF450R (no estart, very tall first gear, easy to stall, etc). Let’s pretend that being a few years older than you, I’d like to spend more time riding trails instead of track, but I don’t want to dump $10-11k into a new CRF450L that is much much heavier (250 4t isn’t enough power for me, after riding 250 2t and 450 4t the majority of my life) and not going to add a ton to what I have and be a POS when I actually do want to ride the track. Ideally, if I wanted to dump a bunch of money, a 300 2t euro bike would probably be best trail bike. But let’s go with the budget proposal. Throw a Fan kit, and a Rekluse on my 450 and go have fun on the trails. See, many of us already know how to use a clutch (cool thing about the Rekluse, it lets you use the clutch if that’s what you want to do, which I often do). The huge advantages for trail riding: 1) doesn’t stall!!! Being on a hill or technical section and stalling a 4t is easy and it takes away your momentum. 2) doesn’t stall!! Yep, there is another advantage to not stalling on an older 450, since we don’t have an estart button, we have to kick it. This can be a huge pain in butt when on a hill AND the bike is hot (harder to start). 3. Gearing: this helps to solve the Tall gearing (esp in 1st gear) on MX 450 bikes for the trails. 4. Traction: because the engagement is slightly more gradual (or easier), in theory, less wheel spin. Having riding normal clutches my whole life and doing my first ride with Rekluse last week, I am sold!!! Yes, I wouldn’t recommend it for younger riders or beginners, because they need to learn to ride with a clutch, it’s part of learning your craft and what happens if you have to ride a buddies bike out from a trail and he doesn’t have a Rekluse, it’s just better to know how to ride with a clutch (as well as a kick starter). Cons: 1) there isn’t that ability to hold the bike in place on a hill, by holding it in gear (the left hand brake mod is something I am thinking about). 2). Cost. They aren’t cheap (but for my specific situation, it was a much cheaper solution). As far as the engine breaking is concerned, this is a partial truth. If you are staying out if really low RPM, it still engine breaks. In fact, this is one thing that I was surprised felt more normal than I thought it would. Plus, most 2t have very little engine breaking anyway (I hate engine breaking at the track). Overall, I love Rekluse.
I agree with you but the only flaw with the logic is that you assume, the rekluse doesn't stall and it does, I've seen it many many times
@@vegasromaniac this is a little too simplistic of a reply. To date there have been around, 8 or so different versions of Rekluse auto clutch kits. Add to that, they don’t all work the same way, it depends how they are adjusted and they all work slightly differently on different bikes. I fell completely off my bike twice and also came to a complete stop several times riding more technical terrain, it didn’t stall ONE single time. I guess your assuming I’ve never ridden it? Or they are all the exact same? Agree, they “can” still stall, they aren’t 100% stall proof. But they stall far far less than you would without it.
I installed the radius x auto clutch on my 2015 crf450r a year ago. I ride trails / bush / light track work / beach / dunes. Overall I’m much more consistent and the bike is so much more versatile and just plain easy to ride.
Cons. Heavier clutch (rarely used anyway) and a loss of engine breaking which imho is a disadvantage in in anything but deep sand.
I nearly sold the bike a yr ago but after fitting the rekluse it just does everything I need
@@mikeaust80 you do not loose engine breaking at all unless you slow creep down a hill and even then all you have to do is lightly blip the throttle and the engine breaking will work just fine
I’ve since sold my Crf and removed the rekluse auto clutch. My experience on a 15 crf450 is you loose some engine breaking. This was confirmed before I purchased the clutch from the vendor and by multiple online posts. I refitted the oem clutch and increased engine breaking returned. You’d think in theory this wouldn’t be the case. Believe what you will.
I’ve since bought a beta 250rr and yet to stall the bike so I’ll most probably be selling the rekluse
Would you accept the fact that a little boy coming from a 50 centrifical to the 65 recluse clutch your thoughts
I have a 2015 crf450 that I use for mainly woods and some Mx tracks the clutch is hard as hell to pull resulting in alot of stalls in tight sections in the woods. I think the auto clutch may be ideal for me
It will help but I would rather change the bike...
@@vegasromaniac true I know they are not good for woods as it's a Mx bike I remember one of you're videos about it. Problem is it is great on track I guess I'm wanting too much out of one bike lol
Check out the hydraulic clutch. I just got a new 450rx and that clutch is amazing. Pull it with one finger and transition the power like nothing.
Did not like mine.that delay made it difficult to go over logs.I did like the torque drive manual clutch though.
I’m not quite sure that all of this information is really correct, the recluse clutch is not automatic, you still have to shift, you just don’t need to pull in the clutch, but you’re still shifting gears and you do get engine brake when you downshift, I think the clutch is excellent for older experienced riders who have arthritis or carpal tunnel or perhaps anyone who has a week left hand
It's automatic in a sense that you can ride in 6th the entire ride
I was having problems with my left hand ,and someone recommended a Rekluse ,but I don't think I could ever get used to it.
Yeah.. It's something older I get more I think about it
Its okay, I have it in my KTM 300. I don't think I would purchase it again. I have two other bikes and I like the manual clutch more, just for having the option of variety. Rarely do you see someone like Graham Jarvis using it. By the way, did you go to Romanics this year?
in my opinion and my opinion alone... i cannot justify spending $600-$800+ on a recluse clutch at all period.
On every bike from now on
Some good points in this one, but for me, I don't throw chunks of money on expensive extras like a Rekluse unless it is an all around game changer. I love when I got my KTM because of the nice hydraulic clutch. My Yamaha had a cable and it's a game-changer having the low effort on a hydraulic system. I suppose left-handed wankers, get lots more wanking with a Rekluse, but only a little more with hydraulic system :D
I am just watching the Red Bull Romaniacs competition and to my surprise I see Graham Jarvis using the recuse clutch😱
He use only the cover for more oil copisity
@@mrraptomeat I was just about to say the same thing a lot of them use that cover for more oil since they are slipping the clutch so much
The pro riders use the rekluse cover for more oil capacity and also use the rekluse clutch, but it's not the auto clutch , just plates etc
But I have a KTM and my Recluse automatic clutch still lets me use my regular clutch the same way I normally would - wheely over logs etc.
It's not the same .. it makes you feel it's the same .. but unless you lock it the clutch has a delay that will screw up your riding when you get on a regular bike ...
@@vegasromaniac True it definitely feels different. Just saying - If I need that pop to get over a log or something I still have it. Your arguments are all valid. I would never reccomend a new rider use one of these. I like it because I'm older early 50's, and I ride North Georgia offroad with lots of big hill climbs. Too old to care if anyone calls me lazy ;-)
But it was an A class Enduro rider that got me hooked on it back in the day. And I will say there are races I am pretty sure I wouldn't have been able to finish without it. The Gobbler Getter in AL is one that I remember just being physically spent, letting the old Recluse drag me up the hill ...
yz250x has a cable pull clutch. rekluse is for me.
I have a new YZ450F (I love it), and I just bought the Rekluse CX. I'm too old for this manual $%*t. If you want a real motocross experience, then get a two-stroke. I think future motorcycles will be equipped standard with automatic clutches (just like cars). And, then it will all probably be electric. It's called progress.... I'm ready for a debate here.
You are wrong my friend, eve the electric trials bikes have a clutch .. yes electric .. you know why, because clutch magic. ..
Hadn't been updated on your videos.. having to hunt.. glad you're holding up in this pandemic
Thanks man.. I'm still alive...
Tou can have a rekluse and still be able to operate the clutch so you can practice. Auto is the future
Not even close the rekluse auto has a delay it throws you off really bad
If a new rider learns auto clutch they will only ever be able to ride 0.0001 percent of the bikes. How do you test ride a bike you're thinking of buying for instance?
Not sure I understand the question
You have to learn to use a clutch properly one day as nearly all bikes aren't auto clutch. If you want to test ride a regular bike you wouldn't be able.
@@markillingworth1929 with the autoclutch your still able to shift the bike like a regular bike does. People need get with the times things are changing and soon or later off road bikes will have autoclutch, look at the 4 wheelers they use to be manual clutch tell they started to put automatic clutch in them that only manual on you can get now are racing quads the same things are going to happen with motorcycles as well give it time
With a recluse auto clutch can’t you still “dump the clutch”?
Yes with a delay and slips a lot more also dependent on the engine rpm
Why no one is talking about down shift with rekluses clutch, is this a secret until you have to buy one?
Downshift problems ?
I dont like my auto clutch because you cant bump start it unless theres something im missing
True
Best and worst thing you can ever buy!!! 🤣🤣 Well said 💥
Yeah, right?
Informative but your back ground music is to loud and I could not watch for very long.
But you still have the clutch so do you get the best of both worlds?? 🤷🏻♂️
Do you see power loss with this clutch?
Not once it's engaged
You should do a review on Quickshifters for dirt bikes you know like they have on Road bikes i think the fans would like to see something like that but it only works on EFI engines (TRANSLOGIC QUICKSHIFTER)
I was thought you can change gears in a dirt bike without clutch because their transmissions are constant mesh and it’s ok to shift without clutch.
@@rogermty1971 You can but you need to let the throttle off a little you cant just keep it fully turned and shift
I have one for a 07 wr 450 f for sale.. for me the biggets downside was no engine braking downhill, or at least none until you poofed the throttle and we're going 15mph......... i prefer the normal engine braking keeping me no faster than 10mph downhill, downhill for me was the dealbreaker
Or unable to restart the bike down the hill by dumping the clutch
@@vegasromaniac Also I had it in a bike caddy on my hitch, and since I couldn't keep it in gear it flew off my hitch carrier, true story :D
@@tru3sk1ll carry mine with the rekluse all the time on a carrier I just put a ratchet strap around one of the rims to the rail to prevent it from having any role in any direction, simple as that
@@huskyboystv1806 that's because ur smarter than me :D
I had one on my kdx .what do when the throttle sticks open ?It's not fun !
ummm you pull the clutch handle in duh
I'm an experienced rider but sometimes I ride a bike with a recluse auto clutch and on really technical trails I like it but going down steep hills I don't like not having engine braking with it.
True that ..
It’s my understanding that if you give the bike a little throttle while going downhill you will get the braking effect that you desire.
@@prestonthomas9406 yeah, that's what you need when you go too fast downhill more throttle
@@vegasromaniac I’m not talking about full throttle dude, just enough to engage the clutch for engine braking. If you don’t understand that then you shouldn’t be giving anyone advise about dirt bikes.
@@prestonthomas9406 crashing happens when you don't have enough time to react and catch the bike, so adding a " slight blip to the throttle" in a crazy situation its just not worth it, also if you stall, and strat rolling back, the rekluse it's a widowmaker
little hand brake on left side is fine for me.
This is dumb. People aren’t buying a Rekluse clutch because they can’t figure out how to shift. It’s for a different type of riding. I feel like you’re the only one who missed the point.
I’m not a racer I just want to enjoy riding seems like a lot of ego talk here.
I hopped on a KTM with the auto clutch. A hill was too steep. The bike rolled backwards. Never again.
Yeah it's insane...
You must not be able to use a normal clutch at all then😂🤣
Hey VegasRomaniac - always enjoy your content. I’ve been riding 45 years and def know how to use a clutch, but I’ll never have another dirtbike without one. All of your cons- are what I see as positives.
IMHO saying a rekluse makes a rider less skilled is like saying we should all still ride 70’s bikes with carburetors.
Hey I myself might have to get one soon, my hands are not as good as they were, but the rolling back on hills it's a scarry thought..
Mr x, I ride a 06 KTM 450exc with a manual clutch and carburetor, I'll bet your accessories cost more than my bike! That's were I have a problem.
@@whatsit2ya247 i've bought all three of my Rekluse clutches (KTM 350, 690 and YX250) used for around $300 each, but even new they are worth the ~$750. And yes I suppose many new parts can cost more than an older bike. Just the way it is.
@@user-id8ng9eq9h So true! I'd probably try one for the right price. The problem I'm taking about is lack of disposable income, just the way it is : {
The conclusion of this video is a cope for poors ;-)
Just bought a 2016 kx450f it has a rekluse clutch I’m still trying to get used to it I’ve always ridden with a regular clutch. It’s definitely different but it’s not bad it’s just a weird feeling when you downshift and you don’t hear the bike rev up and you don’t feel yourself slowing down.
And when you Roll back onna hill
This goes for everyone reviewing any product…. Unless you use or own that product your opinion doesn’t count.
If I owned both the spider and the automatic does my opinion matter ?
People that have them say they can engine brake.
They can if you blip the throttle... But it disconnetcs in the middle of a decent sometimes if toy stall. It's a killer
The "roll backwards" killed the deal for me
Yeah, and it will stall , unlike how other people believe that rekluse never stalls
I had a rekluse in 2 bikes, i felt like i was always riding in the wrong gear couldnt get use to it and sold them.
Annoying background music!!! Sorry, goodbye.
Just use zip ties
Wooden mind you have. be more flexible. In 5 years all adventures will be auto. Nothing important to use clutch or not
Tru things always get worse ... With the electrics coming there will be no more gears
@@vegasromaniac it’s just different. Newcomers will not notice the change