If you have any questions feel free to ask. Please don't forget to like and subscribe for more content. :) PS: No you can't stretch/scale/move the image in combination with the PS2 tool "GSM". But it does work with the standard input from all consoles I have tested including the PS2.
There are many comparison channels on UA-cam, but I was always disappointed by the lack of channels to compare multiple retro console hdmi solutions. I think this channel was really needed. Big thank you from s.korea :D
Thanks. I pre-ordered the retrotink5x yestderday so you can expcet more footage and comparisons with the GBS, OSSC etc. in the future :) ...but I will also focus on modern games...but not right now. My current focus is on retro games.
Since a few weeks I'm seriously thinking of buying a new tin soldering a start a GBS Control as my 2021 pandemic project. I really miss so much to work with electronics.
GBS8200 (+GBS-Control) is an outstanding scaler for the price. It even has a few advantages over OSSC. I ordered all the needed pieces (GBS, HDMI adapter, clock gen module, VGA cable for Dreamcast) and only spend 40$ on it. You simply can't beat the price.
one of them being that as it was made off a cheap scaler,it can handle resolution switching easily compared to the ossc and retrotink(except for the 5x,I think)
I've noticed that when I capture and upload at 1440p my scanlines look super clean. 1080p is okay but 1440p is better and also at a lossless settings within OBS Studio. At least that's what works with my RetroTink 5X setup. I like your content.. keep it up! All I do is upload captures like you! tee hee ... great stuff! I'm subbed!
Thanks for the tip. I am using the loseless OBS setting but I guess I need to switch to 1440p for scanlines videos. Watched your Retrotink5x video and subbed to your channel. :)
Wondeful video. I considering to buy the Mcbazel ODV-GBS-C. Is it good as your DIY unit? Any suggestion? It has also an optional second unit for component/s-video consoles (like the unmodded N64). Thanks!
It works the same. The issue with composite/S-Video even when using a Koryuu is that gbs-control firmware does not handle the sync well from the transcoded signal. if you have the ODV-II, you can linedouble before sending it to GBS-C or shut syncwatcher off until you get a stable image. the firmware needs to correct that issue.
Amazon germany lists this as "Mcbazel ODV-GBS-C " for 83€ incl. taxes. It has rgb scart, hdmi, an oled displaya and claims motion adaptive deinterlacing. Firmware seems an alternative to gbs-control.
it's the same as gbs-control and you can update it with the gbs-control firmware all the same. The only thing that isn't clear is if it has the clockgen mod, since it's on its own PCB design. Many say it is not there. I have used it and it works just fine. However, there is one issue -- transcoding S-Video or CVBS to YPbPr component does not work. That is a problem local to gbs-control firmware, not the hardware. the only workaround is if you have the ODV-II transcoder to use its linedoubling feature, or shutting off sync watch until you get a stable picture.
Good video friend this channel is amazing! a question I have is if it can be solved so that the black backgrounds do not look gray. or is it a defect of the upscaler?
Oh gosh that Ridge Racer audio.... This is impressive and I might have to just get one of these over the OSSC. How is this looking with the MClassic? (I know. I am a broken recond about the MClassic :P) I wonder if 480p or 720p would look better.
Great video! I have a question though: did you evcer manage to scale the PS2 output image to fit the entire 4:3 aspect ratio of a 1080p screen? Or even full width of the screen with a widescreen game? Whenever I try to scale the image to the borders of the screen - I get artifacts on the right side of the image. Is this something you can't fix or is it avoidable?
I want to downscale to my PAL CRT (Sony trinitron KV-m2171U) over SCART. So for example, using a slim PS4 or PS3 outputting 480p (over hdmi into the GBS input via vga) and then downscaling into 240p for my CRT. I'm looking to build my own GBS-C with an 8200 board. I understand that the GBS output over VGA gives RGBHV, and that I'll need a sync combiner to make it produce a SCART compatible RGBS. I've got a VGA2SCART to hopefully make this happen. I'll also modify a scart cable to supply a blanking voltage on SCART pin 16 to force RGB mode in my TV (as VGA2SCART doesn't do this as is). Would my idea work to downscale 480p into a PAL CRT SCART compatible 240p? (Also note that I've looked into Mike Chi's component to SCART converters and these seem a bit too much extra cost to use as an alternative piece of the output puzzle. I've also looked at some of the various small fixes/capacitor and resistor mods listed on the GitHub which I might also implement)
I never tried this combo but downscaling 480p from PS3 should work. Why not just add RGB scart (mod) to the gbs-c unit? Slightly higher costs and overall the better solution IMO.
@@naliboi93 0:40min ..thats my unit but I did not build it so I can't really tell how to add it but all I knows it not compliacted. Please ask the question here: shmups.system11.org/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=52172&start=3660 There is currently one unit with rgb scart on ebay for 169€.
dumb question, is there some form of 720p passthrough mode? like if I wanted to have my ps3 hooked up through component to it? Or would it be stuck to 480p?
I think you need a dac, HDMI to component converter which will take 720p or 1080p down to 480p. I saw another video testing the ps3, ps4, switch which would all have that similar problem you're dealing with.
Can you try the GBS Control with Wii and GameCube (both 480p)? Is It better plug the component cable in the TV or scale the signal with this scaler (in 1080p)?
do you know of any solutions to use an Atari SC1435 as a monitor for a computer? Would love to use it for my video work as it has a green screen mode, but being a 15kHz RGB monitor with a 9 pin Dsub, it's proving to be a bit of a challenge.
was wondering if there are any composite solutions for gbs-c? how would the koryu look through it? although I imagine you might as well just use a tink mini... but I'm still curious. I take it you're using an RGB modded n64?
composite does not work gbs-c.Only RGB. Yes, i am using N64 RGB modded. Koryuu works somehow with GBS control but you need to apply workaround: github.com/ramapcsx2/gbs-control/issues/142 I don't own Koryuu adapter so I can't test it.
I want that case you show for the pre-assembled version but the seller isn't active anymore? Does anyone know if the STL files for the case are available anywhere?
I've built a gbs-c unit for myself, but the colors in your video appear to be a little more accurate. I think I'm experiencing some sort of color crush from the vga-to-hdmi converter I'm using on the output. Do you know what chroma subsampling the gbs-c uses? I tried to use a different vga-to-hdmi converter for comparison, but for some reason, it wouldn't accept the gbs-c's 1080p output and the best it would accept was 720.
I am using this VGA to HDMI adapter: de.aliexpress.com/item/1005001592382501.html www.amazon.de/gp/product/B072NCTBVP/ There are different of these type. Thats the right one. Sorry I don''t know which crhoma subsampling gbs control uses. You might ask the developer "rama" on github: github.com/ramapcsx2/gbs-control
I have a gbs-aio that is prebuilt, haven't had time to mess with it yet. Are there any limitations with inputs and outputs other than getting the video signal to 480p to downscale. For example, component seems the easiest, component in, component or HDMI out. My concern is Dreamcast in particular, if I'm rgb scart in, can I go component out? Can this serve as an rgb to component converter?
Component out fits my setup best, is it okay to pickup a cheapo vga to rca breakout cable for 10 bucks on amazon to potentially add better quality component cables? Starteck 6 inch cable is what I see. Or is there another model or brand you would recommend?
Hi, I just got one gbsc. Anyone knows if the gbsc support PS2 RGB sync on green for 480p? my ossc accepts but no output from gbsc. -->after testing my gbsc, it supports the sync on green via a switch. good.
hi there, i have another question, since my n64 is not rgb modded, is it possible if i plug my n64 to retrotink2x to get 480p signal, and then connecting it via hdmi-vga converter to gbs control in order to get 960p? i prefer gbsc instead of ossc, because the motion adaptive feature is very tempting
@@matstodon "There’s the possibility of using a Koryuu, or a RetroTink on passthrough with a HDMI to YPbPr! Or a Portta HDMI to VGA and, ideally, a sync combiner (RGBS is much less finicky with GBSC). PAL folks could always track down a Sony YR-1000." Source: shmups.system11.org/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=67655
not as good as R5x. the gbs-c has some advantages compared to ossc: resolutuon switch, motion adaptive deinterlacing, downscaling but when it comes to progressive output (240p,480p) the ossc is better than gbs-c
Brightness shown in the video: Yes. sharpness only slightly - I did not mention this feature because the difference is hard to see in a video with youtube compression.
No, you need a converter: Kramer VM-19N, CYP CMT-7, Koryuu, or a RetroTink on passthrough with a HDMI to YPbPr! Sony YR-1000 ist also an option (for PAL users).
nice video. but I would still buy Retrotink 5x because of 1. less display lag 2. faster resolution switching. I know each device has its own advantage. Retrotink 5x is expensive $275. this one is $100 less but to me I rather choose easier setup by spending $100 more. but everyone has different priority.
If you have any questions feel free to ask.
Please don't forget to like and subscribe for more content. :)
PS: No you can't stretch/scale/move the image in combination with the PS2 tool "GSM". But it does work with the standard input from all consoles I have tested including the PS2.
I wish it could do svideo. I did mine old school with the dooklink version of the mode.
@@RetroGamerBB S-Video to VGA or RGB adapter might work but I never tested it.
@Arnold101Knight Sorry I don't have any information about 50hz
Does this work with the NES?
how do you connect 240p SNES to this? mine only accept component input..
There are many comparison channels on UA-cam, but I was always disappointed by the lack of channels to compare multiple retro console hdmi solutions. I think this channel was really needed.
Big thank you from s.korea :D
Thanks. I pre-ordered the retrotink5x yestderday so you can expcet more footage and comparisons with the GBS, OSSC etc. in the future :) ...but I will also focus on modern games...but not right now. My current focus is on retro games.
Since a few weeks I'm seriously thinking of buying a new tin soldering a start a GBS Control as my 2021 pandemic project. I really miss so much to work with electronics.
GBS8200 (+GBS-Control) is an outstanding scaler for the price. It even has a few advantages over OSSC. I ordered all the needed pieces (GBS, HDMI adapter, clock gen module, VGA cable for Dreamcast) and only spend 40$ on it. You simply can't beat the price.
100% agree. Best price/ performance ratio of all gaming scalers.IMO
one of them being that as it was made off a cheap scaler,it can handle resolution switching easily compared to the ossc and retrotink(except for the 5x,I think)
I've noticed that when I capture and upload at 1440p my scanlines look super clean. 1080p is okay but 1440p is better and also at a lossless settings within OBS Studio. At least that's what works with my RetroTink 5X setup. I like your content.. keep it up! All I do is upload captures like you! tee hee ... great stuff! I'm subbed!
Thanks for the tip. I am using the loseless OBS setting but I guess I need to switch to 1440p for scanlines videos.
Watched your Retrotink5x video and subbed to your channel. :)
Great video! Thanks for the nice comparison recordings!
OMG! Thank you for Ridge Racer V! It looks so good but I just bought RetroTink 5X to play this game on 4K tv (KAICO HDMI suck). Love this channel :)
I hope my retrotinkx5 will be shipped in the next days ;)
I am gonna purchase the Retrotink once they upscale to 4K.
Thanks so much! Now I'm definitely getting one for my 480p CRT so I can get those scanlines and low input lag!
Wondeful video. I considering to buy the Mcbazel ODV-GBS-C. Is it good as your DIY unit? Any suggestion? It has also an optional second unit for component/s-video consoles (like the unmodded N64).
Thanks!
It works the same. The issue with composite/S-Video even when using a Koryuu is that gbs-control firmware does not handle the sync well from the transcoded signal. if you have the ODV-II, you can linedouble before sending it to GBS-C or shut syncwatcher off until you get a stable image. the firmware needs to correct that issue.
Amazon germany lists this as "Mcbazel ODV-GBS-C " for 83€ incl. taxes. It has rgb scart, hdmi, an oled displaya and claims motion adaptive deinterlacing. Firmware seems an alternative to gbs-control.
it's the same as gbs-control and you can update it with the gbs-control firmware all the same. The only thing that isn't clear is if it has the clockgen mod, since it's on its own PCB design. Many say it is not there. I have used it and it works just fine.
However, there is one issue -- transcoding S-Video or CVBS to YPbPr component does not work. That is a problem local to gbs-control firmware, not the hardware. the only workaround is if you have the ODV-II transcoder to use its linedoubling feature, or shutting off sync watch until you get a stable picture.
Good video friend this channel is amazing! a question I have is if it can be solved so that the black backgrounds do not look gray. or is it a defect of the upscaler?
What capture card were you using for your testing with the gbs-c?
Oh gosh that Ridge Racer audio.... This is impressive and I might have to just get one of these over the OSSC. How is this looking with the MClassic? (I know. I am a broken recond about the MClassic :P) I wonder if 480p or 720p would look better.
The Ridge Racer 5 audio is compability issue with OPL ;) ...I will test themclassic with GBS in the future
Great video! I have a question though: did you evcer manage to scale the PS2 output image to fit the entire 4:3 aspect ratio of a 1080p screen? Or even full width of the screen with a widescreen game? Whenever I try to scale the image to the borders of the screen - I get artifacts on the right side of the image. Is this something you can't fix or is it avoidable?
1080p mode doesn't support widescreen
@@wobblingpixels3921 I just ordered a gbs control from ali express a few minutes ago but I didnt know it doesnt support widescreen on 1080p 😭😭😭
@@HeyDeniow
I just fn built one and didn't know it doesn't support widescreen 1080p lol
I still like it already though. Worth the work.
I want to downscale to my PAL CRT (Sony trinitron KV-m2171U) over SCART. So for example, using a slim PS4 or PS3 outputting 480p (over hdmi into the GBS input via vga) and then downscaling into 240p for my CRT.
I'm looking to build my own GBS-C with an 8200 board. I understand that the GBS output over VGA gives RGBHV, and that I'll need a sync combiner to make it produce a SCART compatible RGBS. I've got a VGA2SCART to hopefully make this happen. I'll also modify a scart cable to supply a blanking voltage on SCART pin 16 to force RGB mode in my TV (as VGA2SCART doesn't do this as is).
Would my idea work to downscale 480p into a PAL CRT SCART compatible 240p?
(Also note that I've looked into Mike Chi's component to SCART converters and these seem a bit too much extra cost to use as an alternative piece of the output puzzle. I've also looked at some of the various small fixes/capacitor and resistor mods listed on the GitHub which I might also implement)
I never tried this combo but downscaling 480p from PS3 should work.
Why not just add RGB scart (mod) to the gbs-c unit? Slightly higher costs and overall the better solution IMO.
@@wobblingpixels3921 how to do I add RGB scart to my GBS' output?
Didn't know even know its possible to do.
@@naliboi93 0:40min ..thats my unit but I did not build it so I can't really tell how to add it but all I knows it not compliacted. Please ask the question here: shmups.system11.org/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=52172&start=3660
There is currently one unit with rgb scart on ebay for 169€.
Any good adapter to imput composite AV video?
dumb question, is there some form of 720p passthrough mode? like if I wanted to have my ps3 hooked up through component to it? Or would it be stuck to 480p?
I think you need a dac, HDMI to component converter which will take 720p or 1080p down to 480p. I saw another video testing the ps3, ps4, switch which would all have that similar problem you're dealing with.
Can you try the GBS Control with Wii and GameCube (both 480p)? Is It better plug the component cable in the TV or scale the signal with this scaler (in 1080p)?
Qui???
I do plan to test and compare all the scalers (OSSC, GBS, Retrotink5x) with different consoles and setups in the next weeks.
@@wobblingpixels3921 Sorry, the automatic corrector did what It wanted
do you know of any solutions to use an Atari SC1435 as a monitor for a computer? Would love to use it for my video work as it has a green screen mode, but being a 15kHz RGB monitor with a 9 pin Dsub, it's proving to be a bit of a challenge.
was wondering if there are any composite solutions for gbs-c? how would the koryu look through it? although I imagine you might as well just use a tink mini... but I'm still curious. I take it you're using an RGB modded n64?
composite does not work gbs-c.Only RGB. Yes, i am using N64 RGB modded.
Koryuu works somehow with GBS control but you need to apply workaround:
github.com/ramapcsx2/gbs-control/issues/142
I don't own Koryuu adapter so I can't test it.
@@wobblingpixels3921 Cool thanks!
I want that case you show for the pre-assembled version but the seller isn't active anymore? Does anyone know if the STL files for the case are available anywhere?
Do you know if the Mcbazel ODV GBS-C Converter is any good? I found one on Amazon for around 120 dollars
Same though. The price dropped to $90USD now. 😅 Part of me just wants to go for it but at the same time I want to see if it works
I've built a gbs-c unit for myself, but the colors in your video appear to be a little more accurate. I think I'm experiencing some sort of color crush from the vga-to-hdmi converter I'm using on the output. Do you know what chroma subsampling the gbs-c uses? I tried to use a different vga-to-hdmi converter for comparison, but for some reason, it wouldn't accept the gbs-c's 1080p output and the best it would accept was 720.
I am using this VGA to HDMI adapter:
de.aliexpress.com/item/1005001592382501.html
www.amazon.de/gp/product/B072NCTBVP/
There are different of these type. Thats the right one.
Sorry I don''t know which crhoma subsampling gbs control uses. You might ask the developer "rama" on github:
github.com/ramapcsx2/gbs-control
I have 1080p LCD TV can I upscale the gemes to 1080p and than scale it with menu via internet? or its bad?
Md/streets of rage/scaled/scanlines + soft filter look great..... but why is the sound slowed? Emulation?
I used an everdrive5x but on original hardware. i need to check the settings. sorry about that.
Are you in PAL region? Streets of Rage 2 seemed a little slower than usual
I forgot to switch to 60hz on my genesis.not related with gbs-c
It's possible user GBS + OSSC to solver 240p 480i switch resolution? Passthrough Output GBS in VGA input OSSC?
I have a gbs-aio that is prebuilt, haven't had time to mess with it yet. Are there any limitations with inputs and outputs other than getting the video signal to 480p to downscale. For example, component seems the easiest, component in, component or HDMI out. My concern is Dreamcast in particular, if I'm rgb scart in, can I go component out? Can this serve as an rgb to component converter?
gbs-aio is about the same unit as in the thumbnail. No the output is via VGA. You could buy vga to component or RGB scart converter.
Component out fits my setup best, is it okay to pickup a cheapo vga to rca breakout cable for 10 bucks on amazon to potentially add better quality component cables? Starteck 6 inch cable is what I see. Or is there another model or brand you would recommend?
Hi,
I just got one gbsc. Anyone knows if the gbsc support PS2 RGB sync on green for 480p? my ossc accepts but no output from gbsc.
-->after testing my gbsc, it supports the sync on green via a switch. good.
hi there, i have another question, since my n64 is not rgb modded, is it possible if i plug my n64 to retrotink2x to get 480p signal, and then connecting it via hdmi-vga converter to gbs control in order to get 960p?
i prefer gbsc instead of ossc, because the motion adaptive feature is very tempting
Sorry, I don't know. never tested because I don't own Retrotink2x
@@wobblingpixels3921 thanks for the swift response! okay any suggestion on how to connect s-video to this gbs-c? thanks again, man
@@matstodon "There’s the possibility of using a Koryuu, or a RetroTink on passthrough with a HDMI to YPbPr! Or a Portta HDMI to VGA and, ideally, a sync combiner (RGBS is much less finicky with GBSC). PAL folks could always track down a Sony YR-1000."
Source: shmups.system11.org/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=67655
How do you get the audio to the hdmi? does the gbs-c have any type of audio input?
the gbs-c has 3.5mm audio out and the VGA to hdmi adapter has 3.5mm video in. ;)
This is gamescare gbs control?
Is this gbs as good as the retrotink 5x pro or ossc pro?
not as good as R5x. the gbs-c has some advantages compared to ossc: resolutuon switch, motion adaptive deinterlacing, downscaling but when it comes to progressive output (240p,480p) the ossc is better than gbs-c
@@wobblingpixels3921 oh okay
Anyone selling these pre-configured in the UK?
Can the sharpness and brightness be turned up?
Brightness shown in the video: Yes. sharpness only slightly - I did not mention this feature because the difference is hard to see in a video with youtube compression.
Generate scanlines ?
Interesting
can you use s-video whit the gbs?
No, you need a converter: Kramer VM-19N, CYP CMT-7, Koryuu, or a RetroTink on passthrough with a HDMI to YPbPr! Sony YR-1000 ist also an option (for PAL users).
Hi. Can i have scanlines on ps2 games, please?
yes but only with 240p games. 95% of ps2 games run in 480i
@@wobblingpixels3921 Ok, thank you!
nice video. but I would still buy Retrotink 5x because of 1. less display lag 2. faster resolution switching. I know each device has its own advantage. Retrotink 5x is expensive $275. this one is $100 less but to me I rather choose easier setup by spending $100 more. but everyone has different priority.
I know this comment is a year old but now you can buy a gbs control from china for around $70 although I don't know if fares against the DIY mod.
music in sor2 plays too slow
that is a capture issue not related to gbs-c
Why can they not use a raspberry pi to do this
...because its software emulation. ;)