Have not done one in very long time early 2000 was last time , there should be a DIY web page somewhere but cant seam to find it . ill let you know if i can find it and post the link here .
7:20 I have the same problem. My japanese N64 doesn't sync on composite (but at the beginning yes, I dont know why not now...) and I modded the cable to sync on luma.
I use a DIY GBSC for most things, scaling to 480p on a VGA monitor from component. I havent bothered adding SCART RGB, as I dont do much Nintendo tho i should. Mostly Saturn, PS2, etc. Some of the newer prebuilt GBSCs are tempting! Low cost scaling and HDMI etc output, and with an SVideo input i dont think id need to convert most to component which for some things can be annoying.
Hi, yeah so i agree with you that the new prebuilt GBSC are compact and pretty complete they still have issues , the version i have suffers from syncing to high resolution VGA /Component signal everything above 800*600. and it struggles keeping a connection to Wifi when 1080P is output from the scaler(interference from the HDMI chip to Wifi Module ) all this could of course been ironed out in Designee stage but now that this is a cohesive Designee its hard to Isolate the chip for example so HDMI doesn't kill the signal . i am planing to pick mine a part and check if anything can be done to improve the sync and Wifi issues maybe use copper tape over the data lines for the HDMI out :)that should make a barrier for RF noise ok ill stop babbling on now :) thank you a lot for watching the video
The gbs control seems enticing for my ps2, xbox, and wii setup, but I'm hesitant becuase of how bad composite console like NES look on the gbs control. @RetroUpgrade do you think I should invest in a retrotink or ossc to future proof my setup or should I buy the gbs control for my current setup. Any suggestion is greatly appreciated!
If you want a reliable upscaler that also handles composit gbsc can't without a external convert. Ossc is cheapest option best would probably be retrotink 4k but prices is way too high. Gbsc is a good hyper budget version . I am looking into modifying min to make it less buggy. Now that i finally have a ossiloscop in my tool bench i can see why it's so bad att picking up sync 😊
Hey! In your previous GBSC video you mentioned a different composite to vga converter. I wonder why you finally used a different converter in this video. Is there any notable difference? Which one would you recommend?
Hi. Sorry about that my other Converter stopped working the day before recording. There is only a small differences in lagg . The one that I used in the video has slightly less lagg. Hope this helps 😊
The RGB mod for earlier versions of the N64 is relatively inexpensive and easy to install (I think there may be more than one cheap RGB mod you can do, but I assume they're all very similar to each other). The RGB mods that will work with any version of the N64 are expensive and a lot more difficult to install. However, if you include the cost of labor to get someone else to RGB mod your N64, even the cheap one is going to be relatively expensive, I guess.
Oh i was under the impression all eu n64 except for the French version are all none RGB modable unless a active converter is used(expensive mod). The mode used on us versions uses a passive rgb filter directly from the gpu to nus connection if i dont miss remember. Do you have any more info on this 😊 would gladly test on one of my n64 have 5 right now
@@RetroUpgrade Yes, I believe you are right on that point, as that is also my understanding. I was thinking mostly of NTSC versions of the N64. While that might not be very useful info for people who want to only use a PAL region version of the N64, I know some people who live in PAL regions actually use NTSC versions of the system. I would actually recommend using an NTSC version of the system if you can, because a lot of NTSC versions of games will run at a higher frame-rate due to often being locked at 30 fps instead of 25 fps (though many games will still struggle to even maintain 25 fps regardless of whether it's the PAL or NTSC version). The way NTSC games were converted to PAL versions was often not done optimally, apparently. You can buy a flash cart for your N64 (all of which are compatible with both NTSC and PAL region systems and games), which, if you know what you're doing, will enable you to play any NTSC versions of any PAL region games that you already own. To my knowledge, a fairly large percentage of NTSC N64 consoles are compatible with the cheap RGB mods like Voultar's RGB mod. You can buy cheap RGB mod kits like this for as low as about 15 USD including shipping from Alliexpress. I don't know much about the differences between these various cheap RGB mods, but I have heard that they are all more or less the same, and are all roughly equally easy to install, and are all compatible with the same versions of the N64. I have read that the early French versions of the N64 which are known to be easy to RGB mod are even cheaper and easier to mod than the RGB mod friendly NTSC versions, but they are far more rare. If that's true, then there's basically three main categories of RGB mods which can be done for an N64, but with some variation within these main categories, and with only the most expensive RGB mods being compatible with all versions of the N64 main board. There are at least two different expensive RGB mod kits which will work with any N64. One of them is called RGB Advanced, and the other is the Tim Worthington RGB mod (there might be other versions as well). Some of these might become pretty cheap at some point, but they're both excellent mods already. Voultar's video on installing the RGB advanced mod is quite good. If I understand correctly, this mod allows the use of a cheap dongle to enable compatibility with Wii component cables, which could save you a bit of money and potentially offset the high cost of the mod kit, especially if you already have a good quality Wii component cable. I guess Wii component cables probably aren't very common in Europe... in fact, I don't even know if they would work with PAL versions of the Wii, now that I think of it.
@@syncmonism Very good point a NTSC n64 sounds like a very good alternative to PAL , they are a little pricy to get to EU due to tax and import stuff , and they are quit rare here , actually easier getting a JAP n64, but i am not sure on what NUS chip they use in there versions . ill defiantly be on a hunt for a NTSC n64, have 7 PAL versions at home atm :P 5 normal ones and 1 transparent blue and 1 special edition pikachu edition in boxed , will be giving away 1 normal one with some games when i get to 1k subs so if you want a pal console for experimenting keep an eye on the channel . and the information you provided is very helpful as i know a lot of info on pal consoles but limited in the NTSC world thanks a lot for the info and support :)
Interessting Video and thank you very much that you tested this! Can you pass Component straight through without scaling? (I'm thinking here about the Wii with Component cables, 480p to VGA 480p for my VGA Crt Monitor...)
which VGA cable did you use on the dreamcast? I heard reports that vertical synchronization causes problems with the gbsc (model shown in the video), but you used it normally. I bought the vga cable from the retroscaler itself, which also supplies gbsc.
Hi, no special cables used at all i actually used my aliexpress generic VGA cables, quality is not great ether , think the reports are referring to the original SEGA cables. don't have any to test on so i don't really know . my Dreamcast cables where about 6-7€ on aliexpress the link i bought them from doesn't exist anymore unfortunately
Hi, Not really understanding the question . could you elaborate a bit more on your question . It can output RGBS and YPBPR via the Saturn output on the back . the resolution will be the one selected in the scaler . the VGA out outputs RGB-HV and OF course the HDMI is converted to Digital RGBHV. not really sure but if you mean the bitrate of the RGB signal . according to the data sheet for the TVIA trueViiew 5725 Chip. the out put can be a max of 24bit output with a Analog input , and this is converted with a DAC to a VGA signal , and if HDMI with is set it goes to a HDMI encoder so my guess is 16/24bit minimum so it should not have color banding on a amiga for example
Correction : the Trueview 5725 has 3x DAC at 10bit for analog outputs and for digital it runs 4:2:2 Format . so this should roughly give 1024 Shades of RGB, so roughly 1.07 billion colors :) 8bit gives the normal 16,77milion colors hope this helps happy Halloween
@@RetroUpgrade I appreciate it. I believe it's for black levels. Rgb full is typically for PC monitors, and Rgb limited is for TVs. I bought a component to hdmi converter but it outputs rgb full, causing crushed blacks on my TV. My tv won't let me change the levels unless it's an hdmi, or VGA source. I'm looking for a component to hdmi converter that will output 4:2:2 limited range. My retro tink 2x classic does, but it doesn't pass through progressive scan 480p.
Hi, Yes was Planning to do one but I am having problems with my GBSC to take in anything over 800*600 at the moment (may be mine is faulty or a designee flaw), and I actually don't have a CRT at home (usually why you would like to downscale ) , that said I am investigating and checking why it doesn't sync on inputs over 800*600 and will update when I find any solution and of course will make a downscale video to 240p 😊
using the gbs all wrong, not intended for use with composite, especially using a cheap converter, in most cases from this video your better of just using a svideo cable and a retro tink 2x clone to get hdmi, composite and scalers dont mix well, garbage in =garbage out , you can polish a turd but it still stinks
You are completely right !, i cant find a decent enough converter for composite to RGB because of noise and other issues (almost impossible to get it back to true RGB), I am currently working on a composite to RGB AI model that is trained on video game image in both composite and RGB it does 1 line at a time . so far i am struggling getting a consistent image due to only processing 1 line , but i want the AI model to fit on a ESP32 8mb model to make a new type of converter , if i make a break trough ill post a video otherwise its just a experiment :D
Good video mate do you know how to make a ps2 s-video cable?
Have not done one in very long time early 2000 was last time , there should be a DIY web page somewhere but cant seam to find it .
ill let you know if i can find it and post the link here .
7:20 I have the same problem. My japanese N64 doesn't sync on composite (but at the beginning yes, I dont know why not now...) and I modded the cable to sync on luma.
I use a DIY GBSC for most things, scaling to 480p on a VGA monitor from component. I havent bothered adding SCART RGB, as I dont do much Nintendo tho i should. Mostly Saturn, PS2, etc. Some of the newer prebuilt GBSCs are tempting! Low cost scaling and HDMI etc output, and with an SVideo input i dont think id need to convert most to component which for some things can be annoying.
Hi, yeah so i agree with you that the new prebuilt GBSC are compact and pretty complete they still have issues , the version i have suffers from syncing to high resolution VGA /Component signal everything above 800*600. and it struggles keeping a connection to Wifi when 1080P is output from the scaler(interference from the HDMI chip to Wifi Module )
all this could of course been ironed out in Designee stage but now that this is a cohesive Designee its hard to Isolate the chip for example so HDMI doesn't kill the signal .
i am planing to pick mine a part and check if anything can be done to improve the sync and Wifi issues maybe use copper tape over the data lines for the HDMI out :)that should make a barrier for RF noise
ok ill stop babbling on now :)
thank you a lot for watching the video
I did wonder why the WiFi kept dropping out on it@@RetroUpgrade
The gbs control seems enticing for my ps2, xbox, and wii setup, but I'm hesitant becuase of how bad composite console like NES look on the gbs control. @RetroUpgrade do you think I should invest in a retrotink or ossc to future proof my setup or should I buy the gbs control for my current setup. Any suggestion is greatly appreciated!
If you want a reliable upscaler that also handles composit gbsc can't without a external convert. Ossc is cheapest option best would probably be retrotink 4k but prices is way too high. Gbsc is a good hyper budget version . I am looking into modifying min to make it less buggy. Now that i finally have a ossiloscop in my tool bench i can see why it's so bad att picking up sync 😊
Hey! In your previous GBSC video you mentioned a different composite to vga converter. I wonder why you finally used a different converter in this video. Is there any notable difference? Which one would you recommend?
Hi. Sorry about that my other Converter stopped working the day before recording. There is only a small differences in lagg . The one that I used in the video has slightly less lagg. Hope this helps 😊
So composite to vga to gbs-c is shit? Is there any other way to use composite on the gbs-c?
Hi ,I am in contact with a company that has a V2 of the gbsc and will support it out of the box. Still just a prototype I am getting a review sample
The RGB mod for earlier versions of the N64 is relatively inexpensive and easy to install (I think there may be more than one cheap RGB mod you can do, but I assume they're all very similar to each other). The RGB mods that will work with any version of the N64 are expensive and a lot more difficult to install.
However, if you include the cost of labor to get someone else to RGB mod your N64, even the cheap one is going to be relatively expensive, I guess.
Oh i was under the impression all eu n64 except for the French version are all none RGB modable unless a active converter is used(expensive mod). The mode used on us versions uses a passive rgb filter directly from the gpu to nus connection if i dont miss remember. Do you have any more info on this 😊 would gladly test on one of my n64 have 5 right now
@@RetroUpgrade Yes, I believe you are right on that point, as that is also my understanding.
I was thinking mostly of NTSC versions of the N64. While that might not be very useful info for people who want to only use a PAL region version of the N64, I know some people who live in PAL regions actually use NTSC versions of the system. I would actually recommend using an NTSC version of the system if you can, because a lot of NTSC versions of games will run at a higher frame-rate due to often being locked at 30 fps instead of 25 fps (though many games will still struggle to even maintain 25 fps regardless of whether it's the PAL or NTSC version). The way NTSC games were converted to PAL versions was often not done optimally, apparently. You can buy a flash cart for your N64 (all of which are compatible with both NTSC and PAL region systems and games), which, if you know what you're doing, will enable you to play any NTSC versions of any PAL region games that you already own.
To my knowledge, a fairly large percentage of NTSC N64 consoles are compatible with the cheap RGB mods like Voultar's RGB mod. You can buy cheap RGB mod kits like this for as low as about 15 USD including shipping from Alliexpress. I don't know much about the differences between these various cheap RGB mods, but I have heard that they are all more or less the same, and are all roughly equally easy to install, and are all compatible with the same versions of the N64.
I have read that the early French versions of the N64 which are known to be easy to RGB mod are even cheaper and easier to mod than the RGB mod friendly NTSC versions, but they are far more rare. If that's true, then there's basically three main categories of RGB mods which can be done for an N64, but with some variation within these main categories, and with only the most expensive RGB mods being compatible with all versions of the N64 main board. There are at least two different expensive RGB mod kits which will work with any N64. One of them is called RGB Advanced, and the other is the Tim Worthington RGB mod (there might be other versions as well). Some of these might become pretty cheap at some point, but they're both excellent mods already.
Voultar's video on installing the RGB advanced mod is quite good. If I understand correctly, this mod allows the use of a cheap dongle to enable compatibility with Wii component cables, which could save you a bit of money and potentially offset the high cost of the mod kit, especially if you already have a good quality Wii component cable. I guess Wii component cables probably aren't very common in Europe... in fact, I don't even know if they would work with PAL versions of the Wii, now that I think of it.
@@syncmonism
Very good point a NTSC n64 sounds like a very good alternative to PAL , they are a little pricy to get to EU due to tax and import stuff , and they are quit rare here , actually easier getting a JAP n64, but i am not sure on what NUS chip they use in there versions . ill defiantly be on a hunt for a NTSC n64, have 7 PAL versions at home atm :P 5 normal ones and 1 transparent blue and 1 special edition pikachu edition in boxed , will be giving away 1 normal one with some games when i get to 1k subs so if you want a pal console for experimenting keep an eye on the channel .
and the information you provided is very helpful as i know a lot of info on pal consoles but limited in the NTSC world
thanks a lot for the info and support :)
Interessting Video and thank you very much that you tested this! Can you pass Component straight through without scaling? (I'm thinking here about the Wii with Component cables, 480p to VGA 480p for my VGA Crt Monitor...)
Have not tested this will give it a try and report back
@@RetroUpgradeThank you very much!
which VGA cable did you use on the dreamcast? I heard reports that vertical synchronization causes problems with the gbsc (model shown in the video), but you used it normally. I bought the vga cable from the retroscaler itself, which also supplies gbsc.
Hi, no special cables used at all i actually used my aliexpress generic VGA cables, quality is not great ether , think the reports are referring to the original SEGA cables. don't have any to test on so i don't really know . my Dreamcast cables where about 6-7€ on aliexpress
the link i bought them from doesn't exist anymore unfortunately
Does the gbsc output in limited RGB? Or Full RGB?
Hi,
Not really understanding the question .
could you elaborate a bit more on your question .
It can output RGBS and YPBPR via the Saturn output on the back .
the resolution will be the one selected in the scaler .
the VGA out outputs RGB-HV
and OF course the HDMI is converted to Digital RGBHV.
not really sure but if you mean the bitrate of the RGB signal .
according to the data sheet for the TVIA trueViiew 5725 Chip.
the out put can be a max of 24bit output with a Analog input , and this is converted with a DAC to a VGA signal , and if HDMI with is set it goes to a HDMI encoder
so my guess is 16/24bit minimum so it should not have color banding on a amiga for example
Correction : the Trueview 5725 has 3x DAC at 10bit for analog outputs and for digital it runs 4:2:2 Format .
so this should roughly give 1024 Shades of RGB, so roughly 1.07 billion colors :)
8bit gives the normal 16,77milion colors
hope this helps
happy Halloween
@@RetroUpgrade I appreciate it. I believe it's for black levels. Rgb full is typically for PC monitors, and Rgb limited is for TVs. I bought a component to hdmi converter but it outputs rgb full, causing crushed blacks on my TV. My tv won't let me change the levels unless it's an hdmi, or VGA source. I'm looking for a component to hdmi converter that will output 4:2:2 limited range. My retro tink 2x classic does, but it doesn't pass through progressive scan 480p.
Could you do a downscale video to 240p?
Hi, Yes was Planning to do one but I am having problems with my GBSC to take in anything over 800*600 at the moment (may be mine is faulty or a designee flaw), and I actually don't have a CRT at home (usually why you would like to downscale ) , that said I am investigating and checking why it doesn't sync on inputs over 800*600 and will update when I find any solution and of course will make a downscale video to 240p 😊
using the gbs all wrong, not intended for use with composite, especially using a cheap converter, in most cases from this video your better of just using a svideo cable and a retro tink 2x clone to get hdmi, composite and scalers dont mix well, garbage in =garbage out , you can polish a turd but it still stinks
You are completely right !, i cant find a decent enough converter for composite to RGB because of noise and other issues (almost impossible to get it back to true RGB), I am currently working on a composite to RGB AI model that is trained on video game image in both composite and RGB it does 1 line at a time . so far i am struggling getting a consistent image due to only processing 1 line , but i want the AI model to fit on a ESP32 8mb model to make a new type of converter , if i make a break trough ill post a video otherwise its just a experiment :D
@@RetroUpgrade wow that sounds really cool