This was my main guide on how to install my skar amp sub. First time installing amp and loc. I did buy my harness from crutchfield, which made it easier to understand the wiring. They provided a data sheet exactly for my setup 😅. Great explanation of everything.
The fact that you made your own harness and didn’t cut any wires is genius. Wiring is very neat. Explanation of everything is very concise. Very good video and craftsmanship . I just have one question, how do you tell the amp to send the signal in channels 1&2 to channels 3&4?
I didn't make the video but I can help- on the amplifier, there's a switch where you can choose what inputs are used by outputs 3 and 4. On this amplifier it's a physical switch on the side of the amplifier with the adjustments for crossover, gain, etc. If you do a similar install to this, either make sure your amplifier has that functionality OR use the 6 channel lc6i model instead of the lc2i and you'll additionally keep the ability to fade forward and backwards in the vehicle.
Thanks for the vedio. Both Red Wolf harnesses dash speakers plug & play the in and out to & from amp cut in half spliced worked great. Used a factory ground in the passenger B pillar. The stock deck distorts starts @ least on mine at volume 38 on my oscilloscope and also on the rockford amp I have that shows distortion. Highly recommend boom mats and cut the bottom 1/4 out lots of water intrusion in these vehicles for some reason? Window rails are right above seakers.
I just bought a 2023 Toyota EXL Premium model that didn’t have the JBL system unfortunately. I wanted to add a big Kicker Speaker Box in the back. 2/12s and some Tweeters all built into this cabinet with maybe a 2,000watt AMP. Dealership advised me that It could void my Warranty so that sucks. The Salesman said it would be just an excuse to void my warranty.
This is pretty much what I want to do for my soon to arrive 23 XLE. I'm struggling to find the right harnesses though and I don't think I'll be cutting out any of what you did (Though that's not a bad ide). I just want to pass the signals down and back through factory just like you did while preserving the factory aspect to either remove or upgrade easier down the road. Great videos though.
Anyone had issues with the front right door speaker and dash tweeter not playing after install! This happen say two months after just a sub and amp install not sure if it’s related
Great video and install. Have you folks ever installed amps/equipment under the seat in a 2021 through 2023 Toyota Camry? Im exploring options for my Camry…thanks
very interesting thanks a lot !!! I did somewhat ghetto installs on my cars for years until the last one which is all integrated and gave up, awful sound, so the next car I buy which might be a rav4 i want good sound...if I don't have 370hp anymore...which what i have now i want at least good music
This is a great video thank you! I have a question. can I use a 5 channel hi low conversion and 4 channel amp. then get a mono amp for the back sub what kind of hi low rca converter should I use
Thank you for the video. What if you are using an amp with a DSP like AudioControl or JL Audio? Is this possible with the Rav4 if you are unable to change the HU?
Do you recall which Pin # for Ground, Constant 12V, and Accessory 12V? I'm doing something similar, finding a harness like Metra 70-1765 & 71-1765 and building a male/female harness and tap into that to wire a small Alpine KTP-445U
General question: If you send 2 channels to an amp, and have 4 channels coming back to the speakers, does that negate the 'fader' function in the stereo? Just wondered. This video is fantastic and will help with a future installation I am planning.
Is the cables' cross section enough to pump 100 watt speakers? On powerful installations I saw they swap wires between amplifier and speakers Video is very good! TNX!
I enjoy your videos. I have a question about my 5th gen RAV4. I installed dashboard and front door speakers. I have left the rear seat speakers as is for now. I would like to get an amp to boost power to my new speakers and keep my headset as stock. The question is how many channels do I get an amp for my RAV4? 4 or 5 and will that let work with all of my speakers? Thanks for the help and for the great videos.
Hi bro Nice work I have Camry xse 2019 Head unit screen 7 inch I want upgrade all speaker and add sub factory place and small tweeter in back What the harness adapter the appropriate Where can I find To connect all system amplifier 5 channel with loc lc7i6 audiocontrol ??? Best regards
Hi i have same apine pdx v9. I am hearing electrical noise. can u pls help me about how to isolate noise. searched entiire youtube have no luck.. apprecaite if you can give me any tips.. my RCA and power WIRES are running on opposite side.. still dont know how to isolate the noise..
Hey. Wene u set the amp Gain. Did u have the oem stereo on max volymen? Or at 3/4? If u had that can u play now on Max volyme or do you stop at 45? Were do the radio distorsion? Volyme?
Ok I'm not spending $300 on Pac wire kit . This is crazy... I just need 4 channels connected to amp. Why I need this whole wire kit.. just small pac loc transfer from wire to rca
@provo beast I have installed a system in a 2015 RAV4 using the lc2i tapped into the wiring the factory head unit doesn’t have enough volume and the replacement door speakers I installed are still connected to that head unit, could I disconnect the connectors from the sparkler and wire them directly to my amp since the sound signal is still coming into the lc2i first?
Hey buddy! Quick question, I got the output wiring T harness, but what should I buy for the input where you used the blue red and yellow wires? What type of harness should I buy?
Toyotas original headunit have low bass frequency and volyme on rear speaker.. Ist better to Take just front Chanel to a loc and to the amp. And set amp to clobe signal to 4ch mode. (And lose the fade funktion)
Very well explained.. What harness would you recommend for a factory radiof a 4th gen 2018 Rav4 with Entune Premium Audio? Im just adding a Line out converter, 4-channel Amp and a powered subwoofer. TIA
If you have the factory amplified audio system (usually identified by having a factory sub in the cargo area), rather than making a T-harness at the radio, you will have to bypass the factory amplifier located behind the passenger side rear cargo panel. If you don't have a factory sub, the parts in the description should be all you need.
Can u add a video or a link of the power , constant power and ground lay out because I can’t find that plug in the video to make my own like you did thanks
It was apart of the T harness we used, and we just extended those wires to our LC2i. The harness is listed in the description, but you may have to do a bit of digging to find one as they have been discontinued and are now harder to come by.
Thanks a ton for this video, very helpful! Quick question: If only the front speaker inputs are connected to the LC2I (22:51), will the factory head unit retain the ability to fade the speakers, either front to rear or left and right? Curious as to how that works. Thanks in advance!
I feel like I could save myself a lot of work just buy the dasaita head unit and just run rca problem solved, seems like a lot to mess up for Joe Schmoe who does this kind of thing only when he has to.
and also what is the head unit volume when the distortion start. sorry i dont have the smd. but we have the same car. i have tried to do full range on the rear but it did not give me the same bass as in the front. thanks!
I have a 2021 Camry. Looks like the same head unit. I used a smd 1. At 47 was clean after that. It started distorting. Crutchfield was tweeter adapters you can t harness off of. Instead of going threw the head unit. On Toyotas those audio control LOC are mandatory! Signals way to weak all across the board! That dude did a really clean install! Larry
No, not using the LC2i, as we are using 2 channels of signal for our 4 channel amp. If you want full fade functionality, you will need the LC5i version.
With the dash and front door speakers being in parallel, how do you decide what wattage to provide to the front channel? Or do you just have to go with the lowest of the 2?
We replaced our front component set so we knew exactly how much power we needed. In this case was 100w RMS @ 4 ohms. In general, you would add the wattage handling power of both speakers, determine what impedance they are running at in parallel, and find an amplifier that will provide that power.
@@ProvoBeastAudio it's been a minute since I took an electrical engineering course. Please elaborate further. Not sure what the circuit layout would be in order to calculate the overall impedance. I know the formulas, just not sure of the circuit layout.
@@ThatWestVirginian Impedance will be generally set by the speaker manufacture for that specific speaker, however, adding or removing speakers to the same line / channel with change that impedance, or resistance, that the amplifier sees. For example, if you add 2 single voice coil speakers that each are 4 ohms in parallel (pos to pos, neg to neg), that will decrease the resistance or impedance at the amplifier to 2 ohms. Alternatively, in the same example, if you wire both speakers in series (pos to neg, neg to positive), this increases the resistance or impedance to 8 ohms. There are many variables here as to what speakers you are running, what amplifier you are running, and what impedance your speakers are and what your amp is stable at.
@@Davislifestyle30 Depends on your charging system and how much your alternator puts out. Most factory wiring can support from 500 - 1000 watts RMS with a healthy primary 12v battery.
I just got all of what you have listed but with a focal AP 4340. Do you have pictures of your wiring or a diagram? I have never wired using an audio control before. Appreciate any and all help!
You're probably using a 4+channel line output converter. If that's true, and you used the original factory signal for each door speaker, then the reason you're hearing less bass on the rear speakers is cause that's how the factory system comes. The front end of your system relies on the dash speakers to provide the upper end of your frequency spectrum so the door speakers have more room to play bass/low frequency notes. The rear half doesn't have the luxury of having dedicated high frequency speakers so it's tuned to play less bass and more mid/high notes.
You ALMOST said “TO-YO-TA” correctly. It’s not “TOY-YOTA” it’s “TO-YO-TA”. 3 syllables. It’s Japanese, not “AmURiCaN”. TO YO TA TO YO TA TO YO TA. You’re welcome.
Sound Storm EV4.400 MY 4 CHANNEL AMP LOOKS LIKE THIS IN THE REAR 🧐🥴 (-/+) (-/+) (-/+) (-/+) HOW TO SET UP 4 6.5" SPEAKERS BRO WITH LOUDEST PERFORMANCE. CAN YOU MAKE ME A DIAGRAM USING (RED ♥️/BLACK 🖤) SYMBOLS, INSTEAD OF (+/-). THANK YOU 🐐🤟💪🙏🆘
If you have the JBL system, your install WILL NOT “differ ever so slightly!” In fact, you’re going to want to rip that garbage out and wonder why you opted for that package! The JBL system sounds like a third grade music chorus with severe flu. Highly crossovered and filtered! Absolute garbage and JBL should be ashamed! You can not tap into those amplified signal wires and you will not be able to send a sub freq to a sub! 200hz at best to a sub.
Just had one question does the amplifier convert the 2 inputs into four speaker and one sub output meaning no more rear to front fader control and is there a way to get that fader to work
Parts linked in the description!
Hands down one of the best install videos on UA-cam
This was my main guide on how to install my skar amp sub. First time installing amp and loc. I did buy my harness from crutchfield, which made it easier to understand the wiring. They provided a data sheet exactly for my setup 😅. Great explanation of everything.
The fact that you made your own harness and didn’t cut any wires is genius. Wiring is very neat. Explanation of everything is very concise. Very good video and craftsmanship . I just have one question, how do you tell the amp to send the signal in channels 1&2 to channels 3&4?
I didn't make the video but I can help- on the amplifier, there's a switch where you can choose what inputs are used by outputs 3 and 4. On this amplifier it's a physical switch on the side of the amplifier with the adjustments for crossover, gain, etc. If you do a similar install to this, either make sure your amplifier has that functionality OR use the 6 channel lc6i model instead of the lc2i and you'll additionally keep the ability to fade forward and backwards in the vehicle.
Super clean install and great walk-through. Every Time I Die soundcheck to seal the deal : )
Good work, PB. You never disappoint.
Thanks for the vedio. Both Red Wolf harnesses dash speakers plug & play the in and out to & from amp cut in half spliced worked great. Used a factory ground in the passenger B pillar. The stock deck distorts starts @ least on mine at volume 38 on my oscilloscope and also on the rockford amp I have that shows distortion. Highly recommend boom mats and cut the bottom 1/4 out lots of water intrusion in these vehicles for some reason? Window rails are right above seakers.
It’s the door speaker wires that’s the problem!
There like 18 or 20 gauge.
I wouldn’t put more them 70 watts threw them.
I just bought a 2023 Toyota EXL Premium model that didn’t have the JBL system unfortunately. I wanted to add a big Kicker Speaker Box in the back. 2/12s and some Tweeters all built into this cabinet with maybe a 2,000watt AMP. Dealership advised me that It could void my Warranty so that sucks. The Salesman said it would be just an excuse to void my warranty.
This is pretty much what I want to do for my soon to arrive 23 XLE. I'm struggling to find the right harnesses though and I don't think I'll be cutting out any of what you did (Though that's not a bad ide). I just want to pass the signals down and back through factory just like you did while preserving the factory aspect to either remove or upgrade easier down the road. Great videos though.
Great video.
Does this mean the two front speakers in the dash are still powered by the factory head unit? Or did you power them with the amp?
Nice! Thanks for the video 😊
Anyone had issues with the front right door speaker and dash tweeter not playing after install! This happen say two months after just a sub and amp install not sure if it’s related
Great video and install. Have you folks ever installed amps/equipment under the seat in a 2021 through 2023 Toyota Camry? Im exploring options for my Camry…thanks
very interesting thanks a lot !!! I did somewhat ghetto installs on my cars for years until the last one which is all integrated and gave up, awful sound, so the next car I buy which might be a rav4 i want good sound...if I don't have 370hp anymore...which what i have now i want at least good music
This is a great video thank you! I have a question. can I use a 5 channel hi low conversion and 4 channel amp. then get a mono amp for the back sub what kind of hi low rca converter should I use
Thank you for the video. What if you are using an amp with a DSP like AudioControl or JL Audio? Is this possible with the Rav4 if you are unable to change the HU?
Do you recall which Pin # for Ground, Constant 12V, and Accessory 12V? I'm doing something similar, finding a harness like Metra 70-1765 & 71-1765 and building a male/female harness and tap into that to wire a small Alpine KTP-445U
Did you just leave the dash and front door speakers in parallel?
General question: If you send 2 channels to an amp, and have 4 channels coming back to the speakers, does that negate the 'fader' function in the stereo? Just wondered. This video is fantastic and will help with a future installation I am planning.
Yes, this individual didn't want the LC7i version, so we simply just did the LC2i to power the 4 speakers and the sub channel.
Is the cables' cross section enough to pump 100 watt speakers? On powerful installations I saw they swap wires between amplifier and speakers
Video is very good! TNX!
Awesome video! Would you be able to supply the dimensions (cut) of the plastic mount for the amp and LC2i...?
Did you find any conflicting polarity issues with Toyota’s wiring system?
I enjoy your videos. I have a question about my 5th gen RAV4. I installed dashboard and front door speakers. I have left the rear seat speakers as is for now. I would like to get an amp to boost power to my new speakers and keep my headset as stock. The question is how many channels do I get an amp for my RAV4? 4 or 5 and will that let work with all of my speakers? Thanks for the help and for the great videos.
hidden cameras behind the screen and in the bezel
How good is the signal you are able to pull out of the factory stereo outputs? Does the factory radio do any DSP filtering?
Noobie question: For the accessory, ground, and constant, did you T-strip it where each is split 3 ways?
nice work
Hi bro
Nice work
I have Camry xse 2019
Head unit screen 7 inch
I want upgrade all speaker and add sub factory place and small tweeter in back
What the harness adapter the appropriate Where can I find
To connect all system amplifier 5 channel with loc lc7i6 audiocontrol
???
Best regards
lol had no idea those lcd screens were hiding an actual car radio behind >
Hi i have same apine pdx v9. I am hearing electrical noise. can u pls help me about how to isolate noise. searched entiire youtube have no luck.. apprecaite if you can give me any tips.. my RCA and power WIRES are running on opposite side.. still dont know how to isolate the noise..
Looks good.
I plan on installing alpine front and rear speakers, 4 channel amp, and lc6i. What else will I need from your list?
Is this the gas model rav4? I have a hybrid. 12v Battery is in the trunk compartment
Hey.
Wene u set the amp Gain. Did u have the oem stereo on max volymen?
Or at 3/4?
If u had that can u play now on Max volyme or do you stop at 45?
Were do the radio distorsion? Volyme?
Hi, You wouldn't happen to know if that harness adapter will work for 2022 Highlander 8inch Unit with 6channel?
You never cut the parrallel wire, so you are running 4 speakers one the front channel?
And you never tuned the amp
Verk is very good
Ok I'm not spending $300 on Pac wire kit . This is crazy... I just need 4 channels connected to amp. Why I need this whole wire kit.. just small pac loc transfer from wire to rca
@provo beast I have installed a system in a 2015 RAV4 using the lc2i tapped into the wiring the factory head unit doesn’t have enough volume and the replacement door speakers I installed are still connected to that head unit, could I disconnect the connectors from the sparkler and wire them directly to my amp since the sound signal is still coming into the lc2i first?
Hey buddy! Quick question, I got the output wiring T harness, but what should I buy for the input where you used the blue red and yellow wires? What type of harness should I buy?
Toyotas original headunit have low bass frequency and volyme on rear speaker..
Ist better to
Take just front Chanel to a loc and to the amp. And set amp to clobe signal to 4ch mode. (And lose the fade funktion)
Very well explained.. What harness would you recommend for a factory radiof a 4th gen 2018 Rav4 with Entune Premium Audio? Im just adding a Line out converter, 4-channel Amp and a powered subwoofer. TIA
If you have the factory amplified audio system (usually identified by having a factory sub in the cargo area), rather than making a T-harness at the radio, you will have to bypass the factory amplifier located behind the passenger side rear cargo panel. If you don't have a factory sub, the parts in the description should be all you need.
Would you happen to have the plug layout of which is the power, continuous and ground?
Can this also be done on a hybrid?
Yes.
The video is well made PB. One question is that can we install same setup in Camry 2023 non jbl stock radio?
It will slightly differ, but similar technique. Send us a message on Facebook and we can give you some helpful direction.
Can I use any amp? I’d like something cheaper.
What gauge is the factory speaker wiring?
Would this work for the hybrid/prime?
Can u add a video or a link of the power , constant power and ground lay out because I can’t find that plug in the video to make my own like you did thanks
It was apart of the T harness we used, and we just extended those wires to our LC2i. The harness is listed in the description, but you may have to do a bit of digging to find one as they have been discontinued and are now harder to come by.
I really want something exactly like this. I have a 2021 rav4 hybrid. Would this setup be possible with the hybrid?
Yep. If you send us a message on Facebook, we can help with what parts are needed (or just see the links in the description)
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I know this may be a little late , just had a question. How thick was the ABS plastic used?
we used 1/8" ABS plastic
Do you have a video on the install of the sub? Im looking for the best location
Nope, was just a prefab box that sat in the rear cargo area. Nothing special.
Do you need the LC2i if your amp accepts both preamp and speaker-level inputs?
You can go with a high level input. Check out our new Tacoma video where we basically did exactly that.
Thanks a ton for this video, very helpful!
Quick question: If only the front speaker inputs are connected to the LC2I (22:51), will the factory head unit retain the ability to fade the speakers, either front to rear or left and right? Curious as to how that works.
Thanks in advance!
No
Hey.
Do your car have a dcm module? A SOS ecall speaker in right side dasch? Side of the tweeter. ?
No as this vehicle is a US market production.
I feel like I could save myself a lot of work just buy the dasaita head unit and just run rca problem solved, seems like a lot to mess up for Joe Schmoe who does this kind of thing only when he has to.
Do you have any part numbers for the connectors on the harness no available harnessed to buy I'm just gonna make my own
amzn.to/33reILj
do you have dimensions or like an instruction of such for that plastic mount?
Unfortunately not, we custom make them for each vehicle.
Any recomendations for Abs plastic base for an infinity reference amp?
These 12x16 sheets are still thin enough you can bend with a heat gun: amzn.to/34W9TtW
and also what is the head unit volume when the distortion start. sorry i dont have the smd. but we have the same car. i have tried to do full range on the rear but it did not give me the same bass as in the front. thanks!
I have a 2021 Camry. Looks like the same head unit. I used a smd 1. At 47 was clean after that. It started distorting.
Crutchfield was tweeter adapters you can t harness off of. Instead of going threw the head unit.
On Toyotas those audio control LOC are mandatory! Signals way to weak all across the board!
That dude did a really clean install!
Larry
Hey I bought the full T harness pac lphty02 do I need to buy the speaker t also? TIA
No that includes the speaker wire T harness already.
hi my what conector harness i need for instal similar system on my highlander 2023
Hey William, i'll respond to your message on our facebook / instagram page!
Hello.
Do fade front & rear work on this setup?
No, not using the LC2i, as we are using 2 channels of signal for our 4 channel amp. If you want full fade functionality, you will need the LC5i version.
@@ProvoBeastAudio posible to fade wene only use front signal from headunit?
With the dash and front door speakers being in parallel, how do you decide what wattage to provide to the front channel? Or do you just have to go with the lowest of the 2?
We replaced our front component set so we knew exactly how much power we needed. In this case was 100w RMS @ 4 ohms. In general, you would add the wattage handling power of both speakers, determine what impedance they are running at in parallel, and find an amplifier that will provide that power.
@@ProvoBeastAudio it's been a minute since I took an electrical engineering course. Please elaborate further. Not sure what the circuit layout would be in order to calculate the overall impedance. I know the formulas, just not sure of the circuit layout.
@@ThatWestVirginian Impedance will be generally set by the speaker manufacture for that specific speaker, however, adding or removing speakers to the same line / channel with change that impedance, or resistance, that the amplifier sees. For example, if you add 2 single voice coil speakers that each are 4 ohms in parallel (pos to pos, neg to neg), that will decrease the resistance or impedance at the amplifier to 2 ohms. Alternatively, in the same example, if you wire both speakers in series (pos to neg, neg to positive), this increases the resistance or impedance to 8 ohms. There are many variables here as to what speakers you are running, what amplifier you are running, and what impedance your speakers are and what your amp is stable at.
on a tacoma, there are 4 spkers for front stage. are the tweeters tied in with the door speakers, or is there a way to leave the tweets on HU power?
Most guys are swapping the 3.5" dash speakers with the tweeters from a set of components in the front doors.
ETID!!
Will this work for a 2017 RAV4? Thanks!
Technique will be similar, but dash style is different.
Can you put a amp in a hybrid version 2021
Yes as there is still a 12v system in the hybrid model.
Thanks does it matter how many watts
@@Davislifestyle30 Depends on your charging system and how much your alternator puts out. Most factory wiring can support from 500 - 1000 watts RMS with a healthy primary 12v battery.
Is there a way I can find out that information on a 2021 rav4 hybrid
@@Davislifestyle30 Take it to a local audio shop.
my setup
Focal rse 165 for my front
focal rcx 165 rear
Jl jd400/4 amplifier
Lc7i
Jbl basshub pro
How does it sound
I just got all of what you have listed but with a focal AP 4340. Do you have pictures of your wiring or a diagram? I have never wired using an audio control before. Appreciate any and all help!
is it normal that the rear speaker signal have less bass? all speakers are amplified, by my rear door speakers have less bass.
Check your high pass filter setting on your amplifier.
You're probably using a 4+channel line output converter. If that's true, and you used the original factory signal for each door speaker, then the reason you're hearing less bass on the rear speakers is cause that's how the factory system comes. The front end of your system relies on the dash speakers to provide the upper end of your frequency spectrum so the door speakers have more room to play bass/low frequency notes. The rear half doesn't have the luxury of having dedicated high frequency speakers so it's tuned to play less bass and more mid/high notes.
Will the axxess t harness work on a Corolla Hatch as well?
Yes, just depends on the year.
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What about the DMC unit?
Only if it can go 88 miles per hour.
How much does something like this cost a customer?
We linked all parts in description for current price, and if you decide to hire out the install, check with your local shops for their going rate.
where is the link for the wiring harness?
liftkits4less.com/catalog/product/view/id/328499/s/plug-n-play-harness-for-ax-dsp/
Do you recommend an alternate wire harness. The Axxess is discontinued.
@@jeffdub4176 They may be discontinued, but you can probably still find it online. Pac may have an alternative.
Can't find the DSP 3 harness anywhere .. any suggestions ? What's the difference between the dsp 2 and 3? Thanks!
Updated link to the speaker harness: amzn.to/33reILj
If you say “expresso”, or “eck-cetera” or “axe (ask)”, you need to open a book.
I would Soo buy that harness if you make one for me.. 👍
Just use this guy: amzn.to/33reILj
Is that any better than the one you made ??
You ALMOST said “TO-YO-TA” correctly. It’s not “TOY-YOTA” it’s “TO-YO-TA”. 3 syllables. It’s Japanese, not “AmURiCaN”.
TO YO TA
TO YO TA
TO YO TA.
You’re welcome.
Sound Storm EV4.400
MY 4 CHANNEL AMP LOOKS LIKE THIS IN THE REAR 🧐🥴
(-/+) (-/+)
(-/+) (-/+)
HOW TO SET UP 4 6.5" SPEAKERS BRO WITH LOUDEST PERFORMANCE. CAN YOU MAKE ME A DIAGRAM USING (RED ♥️/BLACK 🖤) SYMBOLS, INSTEAD OF (+/-). THANK YOU 🐐🤟💪🙏🆘
If you have the JBL system, your install WILL NOT “differ ever so slightly!” In fact, you’re going to want to rip that garbage out and wonder why you opted for that package! The JBL system sounds like a third grade music chorus with severe flu. Highly crossovered and filtered! Absolute garbage and JBL should be ashamed! You can not tap into those amplified signal wires and you will not be able to send a sub freq to a sub! 200hz at best to a sub.
Just had one question does the amplifier convert the 2 inputs into four speaker and one sub output meaning no more rear to front fader control and is there a way to get that fader to work
Yep, that's what the customer opted for. If you want fader, use the AudioControl LC7i!